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1960–61 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning)

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Similar to AFD for 1996–97 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning), TV schedule with minimal sourcing.

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Trivialist (talk) 02:08, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. North America 02:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America 02:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. North America 02:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America 02:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Keep all per discussion and arguments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/2014–15 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning), to which this nomination obviously adds absolutely nothing. And restore the one deleted based on two participants here. postdlf (talk) 03:00, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Delete all. Unsourced for a number of years, no evidence of notability and no effort whatsoever to bring these up to standard despite previous AfD's. Most of the previous 'keep' votes were swayed towards WP:ILIKEIT rather than actual policy. Ajf773 (talk) 07:43, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- That's rather dismissive of what were very substantial AFDs on this content with high participation, not a rebuttal of the arguments or sources presented in them. I'd rather not copy and paste all of those comments directly here, as they should be considered incorporated by reference. See also WP:NOEFFORT. postdlf (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  - Please don't exaggerate. The AfD you linked to had 7 people. Not substantial and not that much different from this one. Also, your link is an essay so has zero weight in any discusion, but if you are already reading that page, see WP:VALINFO. These pages fail WP:V (policy), they are fail WP:NOTTVGUIDE (policy) and they fail to show any WP:N (guideline). --Gonnym (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I'm a bit conflicted. I could see some value in this topic, but the current list do nothing to establish that value. They don't even try and source the small amount of information they do have (at least on the 6 I randomly checked). I think that the minimum, these can be merged into decades so 1960s United States Saturday morning network television schedule, 1970s United States Saturday morning network television schedule, 1980s United States Saturday morning network television schedule, 1990s United States Saturday morning network television schedule, 2000s United States Saturday morning network television schedule and 2010s United States Saturday morning network television schedule, which will reduce the ~60ish pages to only 6. --Gonnym (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- As a probably better alternative to decade lists, there are also parent articles for each network season, such as 1960–61 United States network television schedule; whether these should be merged to those is a question of WP:SIZE. But there are clearly many alternatives to deletion, and not a plausible argument that this information is unverifiable notwithstanding the current state of sourcing in each article. postdlf (talk) 15:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Delete: I believe these, in their current state, fail to show notability. I also don't think they can be notable in the current article scheme, but maybe an article that deals with programming in each decade, which has much more context to it, could be. But that is not an argument that this article could be better, its an argument that this article is not and never will be that article. As I've stated above, they also fail WP:V and WP:NOTTVGUIDE. As to comment above, those articles aren't any better. They are a giant WP:NOTTVGUIDE and while the article you linked to has some references, the two inline ones, one has almost nothing to do with the article content, the other does not support notability (for the subject), it just gives verification for the ratings. --Gonnym (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- NOTTVGUIDE was addressed at length in past AFDs on this content (as was notability and verifiability for network schedules generally). Suffice to say here that by its own terms NOTTVGUIDE makes clear that historic lists are not violations. So unless you're a time traveler... postdlf (talk) 16:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  - I dispute the claim that this has any historic significance as it requires. Also, your argument just falls short when it's a matter of fact, that these lists are created for every year, regardless of "history" or "significance", see 2018–19 United States network television schedule (Saturday morning). By this one can assume, that every TVGUIDE that has been shown is "historic" and thus exempt, which is really not what the exemption meant. --Gonnym (talk) 20:57, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
    - When it comes to U.S. TV network schedules, they are, and that's exactly what was found at the prior AFDs. Something else instead is contemplated by NOTTVGUIDE. postdlf (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Tentative keep I do think merging these into by-decades lists would be better, and that generally for at least US television, these schedules usually help in understanding programming competition (but I can't recall how bad that was for SatAM). There's definitely also the history from the golden age of animation to the death of SatAm programming that these help to support (eg ) Probably need some legwork to get books etc to better support. --Masem (t) 00:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Delete -- I cannot believe that this is a serious way to catalogue TV programs. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:26, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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