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Episode Guide Copyright

Much of the text appearing on Buffy episode descriptions appears identical to text appearing on various fan sites. Can someone verify for me whether or not we actually have permission to use this material? Dragons flight 05:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The users AnGeL X & BuffyGuide gave permission for the use of synopses from their sites (also see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Buffyverse/Episodes#Contributors and their contributions) -- Buffyverse 14:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, AnGeL X's angelicslayer.com seems to cover the material that caught my eye. Since this material often appears as large, unwikified blocks it obviously looks suspicious, but it was hard to tell where it was coming from because the same text often seems to appear on a variety of websites, and there is nothing in the history or talk of the pages I looked at to explain where it was coming from. Dragons flight 15:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Delete Buffy Stuff

Misplaced Pages contains entirely too much Buffy stuff. The show was all right, but it's been off the air for years now, and, even when it was still broadcast, it never deserved all the attention it is given in Misplaced Pages. Other hit TV shows do not have anything near the coverage that this show receives. Is Joss Whedon secretly paying off the Misplaced Pages staff or has he hired an army of Wikiwriters to publicize his work? Ninety-five percent of the "articles" concerning Buffy deserve to be deleted, and, yes, I was (and remain) a fan of the show. -- This unsigned comment was left by User:207.200.116.202 14:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Notability is not an official policy, the term Notability is often very subjective and it is not mentioned in any of the official policy about deletion. Generally speaking Misplaced Pages official policy dictates that we only delete things when:

• ) Articles break and cannot fix some of these four rules: Neutral point of view, Verifiability, Misplaced Pages:No original research, or the copyright policy (Copyrights).

OR

• ) They are very much included with the detailed descriptions of What Misplaced Pages is not. This includes in summary not a dictionary, not a publisher of original thought, not a soapbox, not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files, not a free host, blog, webspace provider or social networking site. The section that is often abused is Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information, which at first sight might seem a useful phrase to delete whatever we don't like. However that section actually offers details to how such a directive should be used, offering eight specific examples: Lists of Frequently Asked Questions, Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics, Travel guides, Memorials, News reports, Genealogical entries, or phonebook entries, Directories, directory entries, or a resource for conducting business, Instruction manuals.

Some of the Buffyverse articles need deletion or work. E.g. The 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer and social issues' article has extensive original research (it looks like this article will soon be deleted), the article 'Big and little bad' is at the moment a glorified definition (but could be made into a proper article with work).

However the majority of Buffyverse articles generally don't break copyright, are verifiable (often from the episodes themselves), are reasonably non POV, are not based around original research, not dictionary definitions, not political, not advertisements, not lists of links/images/media, not blogs/free hosts/webspace/social networking, not Frequently Asked Questions, not Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics, not Travel guides, not Memorials, not News reports, not Genealogical entries, not phonebook entries, not Directories, not directory entries, not a resource for conducting business, not Instruction manuals.

Therefore the vast majority of Buffyverse articles deserve a place on Misplaced Pages as long as they continue to maintain such standards, and wikipedia contributors are willing to continue to write them. People who are concerned that other TV shows do not get enough relative attention, have nothing preventing them writing wikipedian material about those other shows. Misplaced Pages is not an academic encyclopedia limited to academic topics, and it is not a paper encyclopedia with practical limits to the number of topics we can cover other than verifiability and the other points described in WP:Not -- Paxomen 16:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think User:207.200.116.202 is being at all fair - Buffy, Angel and all the spin-offs are part of one fictional universe which is both treated with the exact same respect and tarred with the same brush as Doctor Who, Star Trek, Star Wars, Babylon 5 etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. It goes wothout saying that there are many articles based around the Buffyverse, as it a subject that many are passionate about and enthused by. So long as all the pages are relevant, well-written and interesting, I see no problem whatsoever with the amount of entires this topic inspires. NP Chilla 18:06, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The wikipedian who has recently been using the joint wiki-addresses below may want to review deletion policies before using up so much of their efforts.

User talk:207.200.116.5 , User talk:207.200.116.9, User talk:207.200.116.11, User talk:207.200.116.12, User talk:207.200.116.69, User talk:207.200.116.70User talk:207.200.116.72, User talk:207.200.116.131, User talk:207.200.116.132, User talk:207.200.116.134, User talk:207.200.116.135, User talk:207.200.116.136, User talk:207.200.116.138, User talk:207.200.116.196, User talk:207.200.116.198, User talk:207.200.116.199, User talk:207.200.116.201, User talk:207.200.116.202.

-- Paxomen 02:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC) ________________________________________

Amen to that. Although there are a couple of articles that could be merged (Ben & Glory? Those two Wolfram & Hart dudes mentioned above?), and some which, as Paxomen rightly states, need work, there is no need whatsoever to go on a mass culling spree. NP Chilla 15:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that there does NOT need to be a mass culling of Buffyverse info on Misplaced Pages. I only began watching Buffy/Angel within the last few months, and Misplaced Pages has been a great resource for learning about the series, examining relevant issues, and keeping track of episodes and plotlines. Thanks to everyone who has put so much effort into creating such a comprehensive reference system. Tambourineman 20:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Tambourineman.

Wolfram & Hart employees

I recently went over the characters list. Wouldn't people like Gavin Park and Linwood Murrow, characters who really don't deserve their own page, best be served to be merged into a single article? Lindsey, Lilah and Holland are important enough to have their own pages, but these other two were really just as minimally recurrent as Forrest and Graham (from the Initiave). Kusonaga 20:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe. Perhaps it would be wisest to merge these characters into the Wolfram & Hart page itself, as opposed to going to the (relatively strenuous) effort of creating a "Wolfram & Hart employees" page. NP Chilla 17:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with NP Chilla here. This seems a more logical approach. --Siva1979 17:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

We actually started doing this a while ago. I would like to see a Wolfram & Hart employees article, much like the articles Initiative members and Sunnydale High School students. - Che Nuevara: 16:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Could I just ask - how come Gavin Park has materialised on the Great Big Buffyverse Box of Death, when his article itself says that he is "one of the most marginal recurring characters"? Why do something like this when he might not be around for much longer... if you don't mind me asking. NP Chilla 22:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Supportspike.com Campaign #9: NOT FADE AWAY

Supportspike.com has just started a brand new campaign to target Fox.

The aim is to send postcards in support of a Spike DVD-movie directed by Tim Minear, and to have all the postcards arrive at the same time, on June 23rd (Whedon's birthday).

The campaign is being discussed here:

http://whedonesque.com/comments/10372

- Paxomen 17:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Can I systematically link to my website?

I created the Buffyology website. http://buffyology.com/ I was trying to add a link from each episode page here to my episode page, but someone thought I was a bot and deleted all the links. Or nearly all of them.

Can I link to my website from each page? If not, why not? There seems to be a completely random pattern -- some pages have no External Links section, some do, and some sites which have a page for each ep are linked pretty much at random. I think it would be logical to link to some sites like the Buffy Trivia site, http://restlessbtvs.com and the Buffyverse Dialog database too, from every page.

I have transcripts of every episode and a database of all characters, actors, writers and directors.

New article: Wolfram and Hart employees

I created the W&H employees article and merged Gavin Park and Linwood Murrow into it. I also took the tiny summaries from the lawyer list and put them in, but didn't add any new information because it's been ages since I saw any Angel other than season five. I thought about merging Knox into the article, because I believe that's where he belongs, but his current article is quite indepth -- possibly too indepth -- so I wanted to get a consensus here. His info would be shortened, but Knox, in my opinion, does not merit such a lengthy article. - Che Nuevara: 12:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Archived

I archived conversations 1-20, as they were all stale. - Che Nuevara: 12:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Key articles for Misplaced Pages 1.0

Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you here to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in offline releases of Misplaced Pages based on their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 1.0 (not yet open) and later versions. Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/WPArts#Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Buffyverse|Arts WikiProject article table]] for articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us. Please feel free to post your suggestions right here. Thanks! Walkerma 06:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to find out the results of this discussion, is this your official list of key articles? Thanks, Walkerma 01:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for the rest of the project, but I understand there was no real consensus. I'll try to find what I think are the key articles and get back to you. - Che Nuevara: 09:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Wiki/Buffy navbar

I recently wrote a Firefox sidebar navigation bar for Misplaced Pages. There is also a WP:Buffyverse implementation in it with the community links replaced by important WP:BUFFY links. It's free for anyone to use; if you're interested, you can find both versions here. - Che Nuevara: 10:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Firefly project launched!

Hi guys! Just thought I'd mention to fellow Whedonites that us Browncoats have started a WikiProject for Firefly/Serenity! Come join us! Project page is still bare bones because I just set it up tonight :-) -plange 04:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Question on Wikify Tag

Someone recently put a wikify tag on the Expanded Overview section of City of (Angel episode). Via talk pages, I asked him why, and he said it was because there were few links and it was just a really long block of unadorned text. I'm not sure what to do about it. I don't think it needs much in the way of links, as the most linkable things are already linked in the summary. So, should there be subheadings, or less plot detail, or what? --Jwwalker 06:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Buffyverse

Buffyverse is up for deletion. Appreciated if people could have a look at the article, then read through the comments at the deletion forum.

I think it could certainly do with some work, but can't see any appropiate reason in Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy to delete the article. I believe that the user who nominated the article for deletion (Lesqual) is essentially arguing that because the Buffyverse already has many detailed pages, that the article for 'Buffyverse' itself is not needed. However shouldn't that logic mean we don't need a generic Star Trek article since the films and TV series already have their own pages? -- Paxomen 16:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not up for deletion any more, the result was keep. --Jwwalker 17:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Buffy CCG

Okay, I have no idea how to do this, but can someone please add the page for the Buffy CCG (Collectable Card Game) to the 'Buffyversenav' box under spin-offs? It should be up there with the toys, video games and RPGs.Jayunderscorezero 11:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Added link to Buffy the Vampire Slayer Collectible Card Game, it's called 'Card Game' in the spinoffs section. -- Paxomen 12:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks for that.Jayunderscorezero 12:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Seeing Red

With regard to Seeing Red (Buffy episode):

A stray bullet takes a wicked through the upstairs window and kills Tara almost instantly, her blood splattered all over Willow.

This should be ... ? — Mike (talk • contribs) 04:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to A stray bullet takes a route through the upstairs window ..". If you spot more grammar issues.. remember the Misplaced Pages guideline: Be bold in updating pages. -- Paxomen 10:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm familiar with WP:BOLD. But if you don't know what was originally meant to be said, you can't really update it yourself. — Mike (talk • contribs)

That's true :) -- Paxomen 01:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hero

Regarding "Hero" (Angel episode).

Twice -- in the description of the character Allen Francis Doyle, and in the description of the episode Hero -- the same mistake is made. Those descriptions are as follows:

"The two exchanged a passionate kiss; a blue ribbon of electricity passing between them as he gave her his visions, which changed the course of her life considerably." (Wiki, description of Allen Francis Doyle)

"Then he hauls back and hits Angel, knocking him into the cargo hold. Doyle grabs Cordelia and they kiss, a blue light passing between their lips." (Wiki, description of Angel episode "Hero")

If you watch the episode (as I just did again), you will note that the "light between the lips" of Doyle and Cordelia is the brightening lamp being used by the Scourge increasing in luminosity in the background. It's a nice thought, that there would be some visible sign of the transfer of seer abilities, but it would have risked giving the important plot moment away. Check the episode and you will see that there is no outward sign, though the light and camera angle may have intended to be symbolic. This should be changed a.s.a.p.. I did not do so because I am not a regular contributor to the Buffyverse wiki.

-- Freemount, October 15, 2006

I disagree. The blue light seems like an obvious special effect to me. You can see that scene on youtube here (skip to the 2.45 mark).--Nalvage 15:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Buffyverse Magazines (UK)

I recently created the article, Buffyverse Magazines (UK), but I'm lacking Buffy mag #44. Does anyone have this issue, and therefore could let me know the interviews/features it includes? I've seen a photograph of the cover on ebay (and therefore know it contains interviews with Emma Caulfield, & Elizabeth Anne Allen, and a set report on "Selfless"), but are there any other interviews/features, and what is reviewed in 'Grave Reviews' section? -- Paxomen 16:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, I got hold of #44 (completing collection), so filled in the details already -- Paxomen 15:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

Fluffy the English Vampire Slayer

Fluffy the English Vampire Slayer is up for deletion. Appreciated if people could have a look at the article, then read through the comments at the deletion forum, before voting.

-- Paxomen 12:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

RESULT: SURVIVAL.

Template:Buffycanon

Template:Buffycanon is up for deletion. It's generally used at the top of articles of uncanon materials such as unused scripts, novels, video games, most of the comics.. Appreciated if people could have a look at the use of the template (e.g. see top of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (film)), then read through the comments at the deletion forum, before voting. -- Paxomen 16:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

RESULT: DELETION.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer adult parodies

One for just the grown-ups here, but Buffy the Vampire Slayer adult parodies is up for deletion. Appreciated if those people who won't be offended by such an article (it's about the 4 pornographic spoofs of Buffy) could have a look at the article, Buffy the Vampire Slayer adult parodies then read through the comments at the deletion forum, before voting.

-- Buffyverse 20:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

RESULT: SURVIVAL.

Buffyverse-box character inclusions

Could I just ask - how come Gavin Park has materialised on the Great Big Buffyverse Box of Death, when his article itself says that he is "one of the most marginal recurring characters"? Why do something like this when he might not be around for much longer... if you don't mind me asking. NP Chilla 22:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC) (from Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Buffyverse#Wolfram & Hart employees)

Most recent character additions to box:

• User:200.232.155.106 added Gavin & Caleb.
• Viper h added Principals Snyder and Wood.
• John Kenney added Jenny Calendar, Kate Lockley, Forrest, Graham, and Kennedy.

We could be going down a slippery slope, how long until we are faced with the addition of The Cheese Man. Perhaps we should set some kind of guidelines for characters that can be on the box (episode count? ..but that sometimes can be misleading e.g. Graham had a high episode count but very little accumlative screentime/lines - and was arguably a glorified extra)

If I were making the guidelines, I would say:

The people who appeared in the opening credits (Scooby Gang & Fang Gang/FG) appear in the box, and the most important villains/friends who had a significant emotional impact on multiple of those opening credits characters - as long as they have a significant episode count, and preferably if they appear in three or more seasons.

That is of course still highly subjective but anyway.. This would immediately discount recurring characters who did not have much of an impact on the SG/FG - such as Gavin, Graham, Forrest. Characters up for debate under such guidelines might include: Adam, Amy, Caleb, Principal Snyder, Principal Wood, Professor Walsh, Eve, Hamilton, Holland, Jasmine, Kate, Kennedy, Warren.

If I were choosing of these characters up for debate, I would get rid of the Principals, Eve, Hamilton and leave the rest.

Perhaps after deciding which characters belong on the box, we could have put some invisible text in the box advising wikipedians to not add further characters without discussion).

What are people's thoughts? -- Paxomen 23:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The box should, I think we'll all agree, involve the most important characters and articles to the Buffyverse and its story. Therefore, adding superfluous characters who only had a marginal prescence/effect can only be detrimental.

Paxomen has hit the nail on the head with his theoretical "guidelines" - significance over size. NP Chilla 10:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed some characters (Eve, Hamilton, Principals, Graham, Forrest, and Gavin) and put up an invisi message to discuss further changes here (see Template:Buffyversenav history).

Keeping the characters to 2 rows

At the moment the template:Buffyversenav has only 2 rows for each category (at least on my screen - is that the case for everyone else?). IMO it should stay that way, rather than get bigger going into three rows and making the whole box bigger. IMO if we add another character, we could remove one already there? What are peeps thoughts. -- Paxomen 17:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

On my screen, it's already 4 rows, with the 4th row only having a few names on it. Different people will have their monitors set to different resolutions, and they can also set their text size differently. There's no point in trying to make the template look perfect for your particular screen setup, as others' will be different. --Xyzzyplugh 05:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of Amy Madison

I noticed that Amy is listed in the main character directory as a reccuring character, but not on the bar at the bottom of the page. Is there a reason for this, or is it an oversight? She has her own article, it just takes a while to get there. I reccomend she be added to the people directory, because by standard of comparison she's probably been in more episodes than Eve. If I've overlooked something I appologize in advance, I just had trouble finding her today. -- Unsigned comment from: User:MaskedScissorDoll 16:51, 1 August 2006