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old fashion

Do you know if the original reciepe of the Old Fashion? Is it with soda? Seltzer was introduced nationally in 1883 so probably not considering the old fashion predates this. But what do I know, i'm not even valuable enough to contribute without being reverted.

The Old-Fashioned was a name which arose in the second half of the 19th century when the variety of cocktails began to expand and it became useful to distinguish the most traditional presentation of a cocktail (spirit, a small amount of sugar or simple syrup, and a dash of bitters, perhaps garnished with a twist of citrus peel) from its newer relations, many of which incorporated additional ingredients. The addition of seltzer may have come about through bartenders making this classically small (~2 ounce) drink in too large a glass, and wishing to "lengthen" it so as not to appear to be cheating the customer on quantity.MetaGrrrl (talk) 07:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

cocktail - old fashion: the true origin of the cocktail and old fashion, explains in great detail about these drinks, including ingredients. If I remember correctly, it's Laird's apple brandy, curacao, maraschino liqueur, brown sugar, water, angostura bitters. You are correct in calling it an old fashion and not old fashioned, fashion was the name of the horse the Laird family rode in the 1850s when the drink was created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:7704:2D30:B8ED:78CB:2A4D:D4FF (talk) 15:39, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I call shenanigans. - Doctorx0079 (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

You obviously didn't read the book. He's right. This entire page needs to be edited.199.80.74.66 (talk) 13:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

So be bold and go ahead and do it. And then I will correct you. But I'm pretty sure David Wondrich knows his stuff. Definitive resources on this topic include Imbibe! and The Old Fashioned. Or just look at what Wondrich posts on The Daily Beast. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 18:54, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

The same wondrich that suggested that the cocktail comes from sticking ginger in the asses if horses? Seriously.... Really?

You are him! He doesnt know shit and is the laughing stock among the industry. How old are you now wondrich? 70? Youll be dead soon and who will protect your fake references then? Ill be here long long after your gone and ill be out of law school by then too. I assure you if i dont do anything else in life I will male sure all your false information is removed.

Im also reporting you as ypuve already told me your going to revert my edit, even before youve seen it, showing obvious bias. You may be a mod, but you wont be moderating any cocktail pages seeing as your obviously biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:c6e1:bdc1:a87f:c0e0:e4d:cac (talk) 11:49, 30 September 2018

Definition of cocktail

The current definition in the article—"any beverage that contains three or more ingredients if at least two of them contain alcohol"—is highly problematic as it excludes many drinks widely understood to be cocktails, for example the Piña Colada to name one off the top of my head. I recommend this be changed to that from Oxford Dictionaries—"An alcoholic drink consisting of a spirit or several spirits mixed with other ingredients, such as fruit juice, lemonade, or cream"—or something similar.

It'd be good to add"bitters" into that list of other common ingredients to honor the earliest definitions—spirit, sugar, bitters—distinguishing 'cocktails' from other drink types (e.g. fizzes, smashes, etc.) in the days before the term expanded as an umbrella encompassing all mixed drinks with alcoholic ingredients.

This is hardly the only problem in this page, but it'd be a good start to fix it. (And perhaps here I am making a note to my future, less-busy self.) MetaGrrrl (talk) 03:10, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The article already mentions this as one possible etymology. How would you change this? SQGibbon (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't doubt the use of the word "cocktail" when referring to horse races (the OED makes this clear). That there is a connection between cocktailed horses and the drink seems entirely reasonable to me and that theory is already present in the article. Why you think "Laird's Applejack Cookbook" from 2002 is the only reliable source on the topic is a bit puzzling. What do you base that on? Plenty of other reliable sources have not reached the same conclusion.

We are not here to determine the truth. We are only here to report what reliable sources state. There is no consensus from experts on the etymology of the word with respect to drinks. If you believe your source is reliable (and I don't see why you do) and that its etymology is sufficiently different from the others then by all means go ahead and add it to the article.

And for what it's worth, I don't think Wondrich's theory is likely to be correct at all but he is a reliable source and that's why we include it.

And please, calm down. I did not ask my question looking for a fight. I personally don't care one whit what the outcome to this is. All I care about is making sure we follow Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines and that one person doesn't push their opinions all over Misplaced Pages. SQGibbon (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

For those of you who are confused by the above discussion, as I was, there were more comments but they have been removed by their author. They are in the page history if you are curious. Kendall-K1 (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Someone else made this change, and I have fixed it to be a complete sentence with a proper ref. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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Recipe

Why is there no recipe, do you idiots not know the cocktail was a drink itself? You cant be that stupid, but nothing surprises me from you imbeciles anymore. You claim to know the cocktail was a drink, but dont know the recipe? If any drink should have a recipe, shouldnt it be the cocktail? Apple brandy, orange bitters, sugar, water. Not hard to figure out, not any other readiky available ingredients in your 1784 bar. Which were called taverns and inns.

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