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User:Intangible

Intangible (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction for "disrupts by tendentious editing." The final decision in their case is here: Ruling.

After a brief period of appropriate editing, User:Intangible has resumed "disrupts by tendentious editing." This primarily takes the form of idiosyncratic POV pushing reagrading the status and terminolgy used to describe various groups considered right wing by a majority of scholars.

The following diffs show the offending behavior

• Far right, Diff.

Total deletion of a list of "Parties Considered to be on the Far Right."

• Far right, Diff.

Deletion of political tendency noted by many scholars to be far right or similar term.

Summation

I have been struggling with User:Intangible for days on several articles where this pattern of disruptive editing has re-appeared. If needed, I can provide other diffs that show the offending behavior. I thought that by starting with one incident, the sanction could be mild and instructive, rather than punitive. Note that the case was "Closed on 08:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)." Note the dates of the diffs cited by Intangible below. I have been attempting to get this user to abide by the arbitration decision. --Cberlet 02:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Note further deletion by Intangible: Diff.--Cberlet 02:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Reported by: Cberlet 16:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a bad faith attempt by User:Cberlet. I already went to the talk page earlier to discuss this issue, but nobody (and certainly not you) replied there. If anyone is being tendentious it is you. Really, I should make a list of all the times you mention my so-called "idiosyncracy" or "POV pushing" (while User:Nikodemos seemed to agree with me, expanding the section some more ) or "acting like a jerk" or "apologist for neofascism" . This is only a small sampling, but I believe that all these comments by User:Cberlet taken together constitute a serious personal attack on my person. Where should I look for community input into this matter? Intangible 17:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for the sake of completeness, on November 12, User:Flying Hamster said "This article is suitable in its POV/accuracy however". This was before User:Cberlet entered the POV list to this article on November 13. Intangible 10:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for the sake of even more completeness, somehow my removal of a list of "far left" organizations from the Far left article did not cause an upset with User:Cberlet. . Intangible 17:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Intangible, no action on the diffs cited. Neither of those lists had any citations. (Can you imaging, for example, List of celebrity lesbians without reliable sources?) In the case of Parties Considered to be on the Far Right, note that considered to be is weasel terminology, and many of those parties are not identified as "Far right" in their own main articles, so compilation of the list looks like someone's opinion. I suggest rebuilding the list including only parties that are labeled far right in their main articles, assuming such labeling is backed up by reliable sources. (In some cases the label is applied perjoratively by critics and disputed by the party itself; it will likely be unproductive to go over the labeling issue in two articles, which I why I suggest basing inclusion in a list on the terminology used in the main article, with leeway allowed for disputes—perhaps Parties labeled as "Far right;" see main article for more information.) Likewise for the inclusion of paleocons—find some pundits to source the statement to.

Regarding Cberlet, you can try Mediation or a user conduct Request for comment. Thatcher131 07:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The list included British National Party, National Front (France) and Austrian Freedom Party, to name a few. These three parties are considered as far right by political commentators, newspapers, etc. I don't see why they should not be included. Sources are given in the relevant articles (no need to move the "edit battle" with tendencious editors such as Intangible to all Misplaced Pages: let's keep to the relevant far right parties articles). User:LucVerhelst has just taken a long wikibreak, tired of edit-warring with Intangible on

• Vlaams Belang (diff, diff, diff, diff — note that these diffs include edit-warring between Intangible, occasional users, and User:WGee; LucVerhelst had already got tired: diff, diff),
• BBET (diff, diff, diff, diff, diff — Intangible thinks he is a more reliable source than newspapers... diff , etc.)
• Belgian stay-behind network (diff)
• National Front (France) (diff, etc, etc.

Intangible has kept the same attitude that he always had. Tazmaniacs 13:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The list also included Freedom Front Plus and National Front (Belgium) which are not described in those terms. Intangible may be banned from articles he edits disruptively. In this case I do not see disruptive editing. He removed the list in June after a 6 day waiting period on the talk page. Cberlet added it back without discussing it at all, and Intangible has not even removed it again. If (for example) someone were to update the list using the criteria I suggested (or some other criteria based on reliable sources rather than one person's opinion), and explain the reasoning on the talk page, and Intangible were to continue to remove it, that might actually constute disruption. The thing is, Intangible being under arbitration does not relieve other editors of the obligation to provide sources or work with him. Let me give two counter-examples. Editor A removes several sourced sections from an article alleging the US engages in state-sponsored terrorism. The sources proved that bad things happened, but not that the US was alleged to be behind them. While editor B went to AN/I to complain, editor C found and added sources making the allegations of a US government connection; editor A agreed the sources were acceptable and the article was ultimately improved by the addition of reliable sources through the wiki process. One the other hand, editor X frequently disputes classification of bands in different music sub-genres, edit warring with other music fans. In every case I have looked into, there are no reliable sources offered on either side, and the classification of a band is based on web forums or statements like "every fan knows this", "this band is generally considered to be" and so on. If Intangible disputes editors' characterizations of far right groups, make sure you are quoting reliable sources rather than your own opinions. If he removes them then, it may constitute disruption. If he adds sources with differing views, then you report the views of all reliable sources per NPOV policy. Thatcher131 13:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Intangible games the system by finding one cite that is then claimed to refute all other cites. Then there is a staged debate over deleting all the cited published material that claims a group or person is part of the political right. Certainly we all need to provide sources, but the reason I picked Far right is that it was part of the summer editing blitz by Intangible involving hundreds of pages, in which editors could not even keep up with his massive deletions. That's why the artitration was opened in the first place. Intangible posted the comments on Far right before the arbitration was opened. Then months later deleted the material. There are scores of pages where Intangible can do this. It violates the spirit and intent of the probation. Please go back and read the arbitration. It is not about sourcing, it is about Intangible disrupting "articles which relate to nationalist or right wing European political parties. It is alleged that Intangible engages in tendentious editing which minimizes the neo-fascist tendencies of such parties." Intangible does not constructively participate in writing entries that explore a variety of views, Intangible engages in promoting an idiosyncratic POV that sanitizes from entries published claims regarding right-wing affiliation.--Cberlet 14:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I am aware of the arbitration record and I believe I have been reasonably diligent in pursuing an understanding of the complaints against Intangible (see here, here and here). Intangible may be banned from articles for disruptive editing. "Disruptive" is always going to be a matter of judgement, of course, but I don't think any uninvolved admin would find changing an article once in June and once in October to be "disruptive." I was very concerned about BBET when it was brought here, but as both Intangible and LucVerhelst were guilty of edit warring, I was wary of appying a one-sided sanction, and Dmcdevit shared the same concern. I was also prepared to ban Intangible from Paul Belien over his peculiar interpretation of the reliable source policy, but it seemed that Intangible and Luc were engaged in productive discussion on the talk page, which is a) not disruption and b) generally what we want people to do. Arbcom could have outright banned Intangible from editing articles about right wing politics and they declined to do so. As Mackensen said when I asked him about BBET, "Intangible represents a useful counterpoint to the other editors and hasn't passed the threshold at which his contributions cease being worthwhile." Maybe there are other articles or better examples of disruptive editing, but you haven't made the case regarding Far right and BBET. Thatcher131 16:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

For me the issue is not the one example I gave, but the continued pattern of tendentious and idiosyncratic claims made on discussion pages as a prelude for deleting text with which Intangible disagrees. Perhaps Intangible has now made my point far clearer. See here and here for Far Right; and here and herefor Progress Party (Norway) Endlessly contesting properly cited scholarly material with which Intangible disagrees is precesely why Intangible was put on probation in the first place.--Cberlet 14:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Butterfly123456

Butterfly123456 (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction of some sort. The final decision in their case is here.

Butterfly123456 (talk · contribs) is a single purpose account that has only made edits on the talk page of St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine.

The following diffs show the offending behavior

• Talk:St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine,

Per the ArbCom's list of Remedies, "Any of the single-purpose accounts mentioned above, or any other accounts or IPs an administrator deems to be an account used solely for the editing of St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages, may be banned from that article or related pages for disruptive edits."

Summation

I believe that Butterfly123456 (talk · contribs) is a single purpose account who only has edited to push his/her POV on the article's talk page (since the main page is protected). Per the ArbCom, this user can be blocked from editing the article and its related pages (which includes the talk page). The editor has been made aware of the notice at his/her talk page, and I was an involved party in the arbitration request.

Reported by: Leuko 19:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The edits are not disruptive under the normal usage of the term, although there is a reasonable argument to be made that the account should be banned as sockpuppet of a banned user. Butterfly has not edited since being identified so there doesn't seem much point in taking further action unless he edits again. Thatcher131 14:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ericsaindon2

Ericsaindon2 (talk · contribs) is banned for one year by the Arbitration Committee. The final decision in their case is here: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ericsaindon2.

This user was caught by CheckUser using the sockpuppet Architect King (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) in this CheckUser request.

The following diffs show the offending behavior

• Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Anaheim_Hills%2C_Anaheim%2C_California&diff=prev&oldid=86171606

This violates Remedy 2: Ericsaindon2 banned, which bans him for a year. This is his last edit before CheckUser caught him.

• Talk:Anaheim Hills, Anaheim, California, http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Anaheim_Hills%2C_Anaheim%2C_California&diff=prev&oldid=86171498

This is another Remedy 2 violation.

Summation

Please lengthen the ban on Ericsaindon2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to 23:51, 6 November 2007 UTC per the banning policy and the timestamp on the first diff I cited above.

Reported by: Jesse Viviano 05:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I've logged this in at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ericsaindon2#Log of blocks and bans.

Something is not working. The latest block on Ericsaindon2's block log is one from 10 October. Do you need to unblock before reblocking? Jesse Viviano 08:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take care of that. His transgressions have been so frequent that it hasn't been worth restting the software block every time. -Will Beback 08:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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