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February 19

Eponymous SMALLCATs for schools

Propose deleting:

• Category:Ananda College

• Category:Alborz High School

• Category:St. Paul's Co-educational College (added 02:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC))

Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT: small, limited possibility for expansion, not part of an established series.

Nearly all these categories contain only the head article and a category for alumni or "people educated at"). The remainder contains one or more of

• List of alumni, already in the alumni subcat
• Image file for the school logo
• A redirect to head article

None of those 3 items needs to be categorised with the school, because all of them will be cross-linked. Most schools can be covered adequately in a single head article, so it is only in exceptional cases that there will be other articles relating to a single school.

Note that the cluster of Sri Lankan school categories was created recently by User:Obi2canibe, who may wish to comment here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Comment - there isn't generally currently a cross-link from the article about the school to the alumni category (e.g. Hillwood College has no such cross-link). The argument for deletion would be stronger if such cross-links were in place or would be put in prior to deletion. DexDor 22:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @DexDor: checked the cross-links for a few dozen of them, and will now check the rest. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
    • @DexDor: all nominated categories are now cross-linked to the head article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:22, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. This is analogous to the deletion of eponymous categories for bands with just 1 subcat, of albums typically, hundreds of which have been deleted at cfd. Oculi (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
• Delete All per WP:SMALLCAT. If I'm wrong, and any of these get up to 5 or so direct articles (not counting an alumni subcat), no objection to recreating. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per nom/smallcat. Lugnuts 05:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Books by Indian authors

• Propose deleting Category:Books by Indian authors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: "books by Indian authors" is a non-defining trait of individual books, and not part of an established existing category hierarchy. Category essentially overlaps existing Category:Indian books by writer and Category:Indian books. For a hypothetical book published abroad by an Indian expatriate, such a category would again be non-defining trivia. --Animalparty! (talk) 21:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Partial merge, moving only the sub-cat Category:Indian-American literature up into Category:Indian books by writer. – Fayenatic London 09:44, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Explosives engineering and bomb disposal in fiction

• Propose renaming Category:Explosives engineering and bomb disposal in fiction to Category:Fiction about explosives engineering and bomb disposal

Nominator's rationale: As with other CFDs of this nature, make it more clear that the category should be applied when the topic is a primary feature of the fiction, not an incidental element. DonIago (talk) 17:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete as non-defining regardless of name. It's not an established genre, just more trivia cruft. --Animalparty! (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
• Rename without "Explosives engineering", i.e. to Category:Fiction about bomb disposal (although I would not oppose Category:Bomb disposal in fiction). Most of the contents seem to fit that name, and for it to be sufficiently WP:DEFINING, but this does not appear to be defining for Gunsmith Cats, so remove that one. – Fayenatic London 09:53, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

UKBot

• Propose deleting Category:UKBot (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  
• Propose deleting Category:UKBot active contests (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  
• Propose deleting Category:UKBot archived contests (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: Categories consisting only of or only used by templates nominated for deletion. See Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 February 19#UKBot {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 17:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Foyle College

• Propose deleting Category:Foyle College (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only 2 items related to this secondary school in Derry: the head article Foyle College and Category:People educated at Foyle College.
Little or no prospect of expansion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Keep: Nominator's so called rationale is absolute nonsense and a little hypocritical to say the least. There are hundreds of categories with a similar amount of articles. In fact BrownHairedGirl has created dozens of categories with just a single article in them. See for example majority of subcategories in Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland. Djln Djln (talk) 17:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
  • @Djln: a bit less personal please, and a little more attention to the categorisation guidelines.

Before dismissing a CFD nomination as absurd, do please read the long-established stable guideline WP:SMALLCAT is clear "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme".

There is no "overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" for eponymous categories for schools. If you think that the set categories in Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland is not part of an accepted scheme, feel free to nominate them for merger.

As to Category:Foyle College, its only function is to group an article and a subcat which are both cross-linked. That sort of category is routinely deleted at CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: Oh please crying "personal attack" when you've been called out ! Your logic of "Little or no prospect of expansion" applies equally to Category:Ladies' Gaelic footballers by county in Ireland. Case of pot calling kettle. You ignored WP:SMALLCAT when you created these subcategories but I'm not allowed to. Please explain why ? Please don't just quote guidelines. Not interested in reading them thanks. Djln Djln (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Djln:, I did explain it.

And if you seriously (really? really?) believe that there is no prospect of more notable Ladies' Gaelic footballers in those counties, or that there is not an established series of categorisng GAA players by sport and county, then as noted above please feel free to nominate those cats for upmerger.

However, this discussion is not about Ladies' Gaelic footballers; it is about Foyle College. Please do try to stay focused. In this case you don't dispute that there is prospect of expanding the category, and you don't dispute that they pages are already interlinked. So the category serves no purpose, which is why this type of category is deprecated in a long-established guideline which forms the basis of many CFD nominations every day.

Note to closer see the category creator's statementPlease don't just quote guidelines. Not interested in reading them thanks. Draw your own conclusions. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: What a patronising tone and attitude. You've been caught out. Now you're trying to worm your way out of it by quoting guidelines that you yourself have ignored. Guidelines or just guidelines, they are not sacrosanct or carved in stone. They are just opinions. User:Djln Djln (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Sigh. @Djln, I have not been caught out. I have followed the guideline, and explained it to you, but your replies are all personal rather than addressing the substance.

I am sorry that you feel I have been patronising by alerting to a long-established guideline which you should have been aware of, but which you determined to ignore. However, this isn't the place to discuss your personal discomfort with en.wp's core principle of WP:CONSENSUS and with the guidelines which record that consensus.

At the top of the page WP:SMALLCAT, there is a standard notice as applied to all guidelines: "This page documents an English Misplaced Pages editing guideline. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." You have not attempted to identify any reason why Foyle College should be treated as an exception to SMALLCAT. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: I get it now. It's okay for you to create a category with a single article but I'm not allowed to. That seems to be the story. Djln Djln (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

No, Djln, you don't get it all. You might get it if you either read the guideline or read my explanations, but you refuse to do either. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:55, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete per smallcat. It is highly unusual for a school to merit its own category. Category:Misplaced Pages categories named after schools in the United Kingdom contains some, a few of which should also be deleted. Oculi (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

"highly unusual for a school to merit its own category". That is apart from the 71 plus that already exist. Really ? Djln Djln (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Djln, there are tens of thousands of articles on schools, but you claim to have found only 71 with an eponymous category. That should be a clue to you.

If you can identify any categories for a school which contains only the eponymous head article and one subcat, I will CFD them too. -BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Looks like there are several inappropriate SMALLCATS in Category:Misplaced Pages categories named after schools. I am preparing a group nomination. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Seriously @BrownHairedGirl: you need to get a life. Have you nothing better to do ? Djln Djln (talk) 21:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:NPA, Djln. I could spend some time setting up education facilities for people who who refuse to read guidelines and then get outraged when they find they have breached them, but I reckon this is more productive.

Thanks for the pointer towards Category:Misplaced Pages categories named after schools, where I found over 80 more pointless categories. Nominated for deletion above, at Eponymous SMALLCATs for schools. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@BrownHairedGirl: Don't make me laugh. If you were a teacher, you would probably tell your pupils one thing and then do the complete opposite. Just like you have done here. If you want to waste your time deleting categories in a petty minded manner then go ahead. Djln Djln (talk) 18:15, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Category doesn't aid navigation and growth potential seems minimal. (Feel free to do review any of the categories I've created.) RevelationDirect (talk) 02:31, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Anna Sui

• Propose deleting Category:Anna Sui (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: Subject and two articles insufficient for WP:OCEPON --woodensuperman 13:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Actors of German descent

• Propose deleting Category:Actors of German descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: not a notable intersection of characteristics Ivar the Boneful (talk) 11:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Is there a reason you've singled out this one category out of the scores of subcats of Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent? Anomalous+0 (talk) 14:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose unless this is a sample nom, to be followed by a general cull of all such categories. Descent is not generally a significant factor in the actor's ability to perform. However we have a lot of such categories, and in this case I not that the male and female subcats each have over 550 members. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Category:Pan-Hornism

• Propose deleting Category:Pan-Hornism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: It's no accident that there's no article about "Pan-Hornism" on Misplaced Pages. If there actually is such a thing as "Pan-Hornism", there's no confirmation on either Google or Google Scholar. What more is there to say? Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete. It's a real thing, though it's usually called Pan-Somalism (there's a tiny bit about it in Greater Somalia. Long story short, a minority of Somalis like the idea, residents of other countries in the region don't, and Somalia has enough trouble trying to hold onto its own independentist regions (e.g, Puntland, Somaliland) without worrying about annexing its neighbours. So as a movement it's pretty much dead in the water and I doubt - political shocks excepted - that there'll ever be enough stand-alone articles for a category, let alone a NPOV one. Grutness...wha? 09:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Even if there were an article elaborating on the subject, the 3 categories that are currently the entire contents don't even begin to make sense. Anomalous+0 (talk) 13:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

• Delete -- The category contains 3 articles on nationalism in 3 countries, who of which will be opposed to Pan-Somalism. I recall that Somalia fought a war to try to establish its claim to the whole of the Horn of Africa, ultimately resulting in nothing at all. If we were discussing an article, I would suggest merging or redirecting to Somali Nationalism. As it is potentially a category with one genuine member, it should not even exist. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)