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Terry Goodkind Moderation

Hi Neo, I too am disappointed with the actions taken by Mystar, but the situation on the TG page really has gotten out of hand. We need some stern administrators to dish out some rulings, I think.

Just so you know, what I was referring to on my talk page in response to Mystar was that I had already made a request for help from an informal mediator from the Mediation Cabal (here was my request). I had yet to hear back from the cabal, seeing as their cases are backlogged at the moment, but after further warring, I decided to withdraw my request. I think that in this case, either formal mediation or arbitration are the only methods to deal with Mystar. Happy editing, Runch 22:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that a formal intervention is required at this point. I would perfer to see Mystar enagage in a mediation and have an admin/moderator explain to him why what he is doing is not acceptable. If this goes to arbitration I fear that he will be banned and despite his hostile and belligerent tone and border-line vandalism that is not my goal. I think he honestly is doing what he thinks is right but he just won't listen to anybody else. Are you aware of any other parties that would be willing to be part of a moderation? Brendan Moody, Werthead, Omnilord, Arbor and a few others come to mind. NeoFreak 22:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh I agree with you entirely, and to be honest, I really do think Mystar has been making some (though very limited) progress in his understanding of Misplaced Pages and it's policies. He means well, but he doesn't seem to want to put any effort into learning what is and is not acceptable Misplaced Pages behavior. However, moderation is still our best option at this point. Besides the individuals you have mentioned, Paul Willocx has been involved in several of the discussions on the TG talk page, as has an anonymous IP that once identified themselves as MB (IP# 198.96.2.93). For now, all we can do is wait to hear back from Mystar to see if he consents to the mediation. - Runch 23:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, of course, I forgot about Paul Willocx. Do you want to ask them or should I? Regardless you can only wait for Mystar to respond for so long. I think your timetable of 48 hours was appropriate. I'm hoping that everyone will refrain from editing the TG and SoT pages until this can be resolved but we shall see. NeoFreak 23:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, go ahead and contact the parties involved, if you don't mind (but if you'd rather I do it, I'd be more than glad to do so). Also, good work on the TG talk page. I think we may already be starting to make some progress! - Runch 03:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I would be willing to participate in any dispute resolution process that proves necessary. Brendan Moody 16:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am of course willing to participate in an organized mediation session. The sooner the better. Let me know if you need any help with the request, Neo. - Runch 16:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I can actually submit the request, if you like. I've looked over the associated rules and guidelines, and I feel pretty confindent in how to write it to make sure our request is accepted. I'm just waiting to see who is and is not interested in mediation, because everyone listed on the request must sign within 7 days of submittal. - Runch 17:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have the patience for things like mediation. My view on things is "point them to the specific rules that they are breaking; if they break them again, insta-ban". So I'm not really helpful in a mediation attempt. :P -- Mystman666 17:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I have to say that past conflicts with Mystar have sapped my will for dealing with this individual in any formal arena. I don't like TG's books but then I don't like David Eddings or L. Ron Hubbards, yet didn't find anything on their pages or on their books' pages that needed attention. On the other hand, the TG page needed some work (like sources for some of Mystar's comments). Ironically, despite all the vitriol, the personal attacks and the accusations of dishonesty levelled at me, it did seem to work as Mystar's conduct improved slightly and the content of the page was improved somewhat. Because of prior comments made by Mystar on other forums (such as threatening one poster who lived near him by saying he'd pull out all the stops to make sure he couldn't get a new job) I decided that reasoned debate with this individual was impossible and withdrew from any discussion on the TG page about 6-8 weeks ago. I didn't even look at the hell that has broken loose there until today. I fear my presence in any moderation arena would only incite Mystar even further. I am going to tell him that myself and Paul Wilcox are not, to the best of my knowledge, the same person though.--Werthead 17:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

How difficult can it possibly be to spell a name correctly? And you know, I'm a regular of one of the sites you're a regular at, so clearly we must really be the same person in disguise... or something. Nevermind that we don't even have the same opinion or that I like Goodkind's books a whole lot more than you do. And that threat you are talking about was indeed fairly amusing. Paul Willocx 17:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Assuming the messages still exist from the TG page, I believe I have offered Mystar a 'truce' (dear God, I feel about nine years old again) a while back and just got petty insults levelled at me, so I just gave up talking to him. Neo, what exactly would mediation require? The opening up of a mediation page and people just posting in it until the admins decide what to do? That sounds okay, since it's what's going on at TG's page anyway.--Werthead 18:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

More or less yes. For the most part you really won't have to do much at all. Runch can explain it better and he is the one that will actually make the request. NeoFreak 18:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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- Runch 15:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, Werthead, I would tend to disagree that you offered anything but vitriol. I've countless pages of attacks and openly encouraging attacks about Goodkind, starting and instigating Goodkind bashing etc. from you on everything from ASOFAI to Dragonmount to Bakkers page. I simply do not see you as having any ability to be neutral about Goodkind. According to your own admission of a few days ago, you edited several pages of material you had posted in the past, in an attempt to make it friendlier. Every time anyone on any page you visit has anything in any way shape of form positive to say about Goodkind, or how they like his works, your the first one to jump in any bash Goodkind and post vehemently negative opinion. I don't exactly call that offering any kind of olive branch. Given your history of attacks on the Goodkind page and your attempts to post disingenuous information, you'll forgive me if I have doubts about your sincerity

I will offer up an apology for worthead rather than Werthead. Yes very childish of me. I am sorry. I did in fact as I so stated on another post, have that edit saved in my word program, and after I do a spell check, I never look at it again. I did delete that though. Mystar 04:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

(apologies to NeoFreak for hijacking his page) If you note the discussion on Dragonmount (under the adaption thread), it was carried out in a fairly reasonable manner between myself and Kadere and concluded in an amicable fashion. I anticipate no further need for debate there. I have not actually taken part in any discussions about Goodkind whatsoever on Bakker's page, only having joined there a month or so ago and not said much beyond "Hello," yet. Most pages I went back and re-edited due to the Wiki learning curve were unrelated to the GK debate (mostly the Erikson pages, which were the first things I visited on Wiki months ago now and generally put up some NPOV comments, which have now been adjusted and altered). The olive branch incident was my request for an apology after you accused me of being a liar and of deleting comments from the TG page (which any moderator can confirm I did not do by tracking ISP numbers) when I had not done so.--Werthead 21:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Good day NeoFreak, do you know anything further about the moderation? And can we get Mystar banned from further editing of TG's bio page? I've been banned from anonymously editing the page, and that happened pretty quickly. I don't know the process involved but I'm assuming you do. WLU 14:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

No the moderation has still not been picked up. You can view it here. W've been waiting for two and a half weeks nows so I'm not really sure how constructive waiting any longer will be. I don't want Mystar to get banned. I just want him to get what wikipedia is all about and to just learn to play well with others. I'm at the end of my rope with him, I'm just not willing to spend any more time yelling at a wall. If yuo want to persue a ban or tem block that is your choice. Unless he violates an obvious rule (another personal attack, 3RR, blanking o rtoher vandalism) then a speedy block won't happen. Use the admin notification board or just go straight to an admin that you know and have dealt with in the past and explain what's going on.

I'm going to try to get the work done that needs to get done but I'm done trying to convince Mystar of anything. He is totally incapable of breaking down his bigoted little conspiracy laden paradigm. I'm sick of trying to be being patient with him; I'm just not dealing with him anymore. If you have any specific questions then by all means go ahead and ask but for now I'm going to try and do more editing and less talking. If you prefer I can reply to your talk page in the future. NeoFreak 19:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Neo Please stop attacking me. If you persist I will report you and you may be blocked under the "disruption" clause of the blocking policy,

Be civil and adhere to good wiki etiquette when stating disagreements to avoid personalizing them and try to minimize unnecessarily antagonistic comments. Disagreements with other editors can be discussed without resorting to personal attacks. It is important not to personalize comments that are directed at content and actions,

Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Misplaced Pages. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks will not help you make a point; they hurt the Misplaced Pages community and deter users from helping create a good encyclopedia.

I'll thank you to direct your negative energy to less abusive actions. Not only do you not know the material you do not know how to place the material in question. What you "DO" know how to do is to remove anything that is of any import and quality, unless it is your "special" pages. I also see you are in another similar battle where your editing has caused similar disruptions and are being warned there as well. I'll offer up a bit of advise here, you are no more important that me or any other person here. We al have the same rights to edit. I'll thank you to remember that policy.

Mystar 20:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

NeoFreak seems to be taking the high road, which is laudable, and wish I could imitate. Mystar, I find your comments and warnings so laughably hypocritical, they are hard to believe, it's almost like you are trying to be ironic, in the Alanis Morissette sense. She's Canadian by the way, even with dual citizenship. NeoFreak, feel free to remove my comments, please do so immediately if you would rather not have them on your talk page. WLU 01:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

By all means, this is what talk pages are for. NeoFreak 04:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

On the whole ongoing Goodkind/Martin/Erikson nightmare, I'd like to say a couple things. I think it's a good idea to withdraw if you find the situation too stressful, both for your sake and for the good of the ongoing discussion. You should be sure, though, to keep any descriptions of the dispute that you do make civil. I know you find all this frustrating, but characterizing User:Mystar's behavior as a "bigoted little conspiracy laden paradigm" will only fan the flames further, and isn't really justifiable. I do think that generally you've done a good job keeping your comments direct and civil, and that examples like the above are exceptions to the rule, but even an occasional exception can cause problems, so I thought I'd just drop you a note. Thanks for any help you can provide. Brendan Moody 05:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

My Little Rant over on the Complaint Forum

Just for the record, my rant on the complain forum was just that - I needed to release some steam from my ears and I felt like writing something for some hopefully sympathetic ears.

Also for the record, I don't think a ban or block against Mystar is either necessary or justified. Despite his frequent inability to keep a cool head on talk pages, he brings up a lot of good points that few others are willing to talk about, and he also makes a lot of good contributions (the plot intros to the SoT books, for example, are looking a lot better).

Anyway, just my 2 cents, so you know. - Runch 03:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Your sudden Goodkind deletion frenzy

Neo, rather than continuing your rabid removal of anything Goodkind related, why not be constructive? While these are minor characters, they still have significance to the Sword of Truth Series. We could combine the minor characters on a single page or something like that. I see you simply removing things and never adding anything of content. Editing spelling, wording etc is not adding content. If you are acting in retaliatory fashion (which it looks like), then please stop and act in good faith from now on. How about adding content for once rather than trying your best to remove content.--Mystar 03:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

To an extent, I'm going to second Mystar here. While a lot of these characters are non-notable and should probably be deleted, I'd ask for you to wait until we get the SoT Wikiproject started and have a chance to contruct the "Characters in the Sword of Truth" page (possibly both a Major and a Minor page) before you nominate any more pages for deletion. I'd much rather be able to merge the information first rather than get it deleted and potentially not have it available later when compiling the character pages.

Also I suggested that the pages for the Mud People all be merged and redirected to Mud People rather than be deleted outright.

I'm seeing what I can do about the Wikiproject. Hopefully shouldn't take too long to get it started. - Runch 15:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Runch, I've got no problem with a Characters of the Sword of Truth page but right now it doesn't exist and the idea of the characters page has been sitting on the burner for weeks (months?) now. No one has made any effort to create one despite my advice and offers of help in the past on about how to go about it. I said way back then that I would wait on an AfD for the page to get going but it never did. Most of these characters are of so little note that reconstrucing them into a minor characters page wouldn't require much work. On the other hand these pages as they are fail criteria for articles and need to be deleted. I would have started the page myself but I have alot of other things going on and with the wikiproject coming down the pipe (need any help with that?) the issue of covering relavent material will soon be resolved within wikipedia guidlines and policy, two things these articles fail in. NeoFreak 15:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

So instead of marking them for deletion, you could have put something up on their discussion pages, or on the general SoT page notifying people that you would like to delete them/ consolidate into one page. I think you are jumping the gun. Sure they may be minor characters and according to Wiki policy (which I still need to read) may not merit their own full pages. HOWEVER, I am sure there a ton of pages like this througout Misplaced Pages. In the future, please refrain from marking things for deletion until there has been a discussion about them in some way/shape/form. You say you would have started the compliation page yourself? Well then why would you go and mark these others for deletion? I think that until a compilation page is created, these minor characters' pages should not be removed. And since you have "alot of other things going on" then perhaps you should take a break from some of them. Merrit 15:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Point by point:

• Reread my last comment. It seems you missed the first...half.
• Other violations do not make a legitimate precedent.
• AfD is there for a reason and serves a specific purpose. Review that function.
• No, thanks. I too have to manage my time. Glad to know you think highly of these pages, maybe with that in mind you should get cracking on them. Unless you have other things going on. NeoFreak 16:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

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The Sword of Truth WikiProject is now up and running. Thought you might like to know. It still has a long way to go before it'll look truly respectable, but it's a start. - Runch 18:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

AfD Contribution

Hey, I'd like to ask you to reconsider your vote on the Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Drug_Watch_International debate. I think my original post didn't really make clear my point. With just a hint more digging, you might change your mind. Thanks! /Blaxthos 01:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

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Good luck in deployment, don't get shot. WLU 22:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

This one is only a month long course out in the desert called Weapons & Tactics and Instructors course, but thanks. I hate getting shot ;) NeoFreak 22:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm sick of Mystar

Hi Neo, I'm soliciting comments regarding Mystar, he's really pissing me off and I'm sick of it. I'm putting in a request for comments in a bit, in the mean time I'm soliciting people who've been pissed off by him in the past. If you're willing to have any input, I'm asking for help. Both people involved are scrutinized, so if there are comments where I've pissed you off or made stupid comments, I would also like those - they'll help me improve my conduct. I'm also posting this on other people's page, check my contribs for this chunk of time. WLU 22:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

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71.154.158.70 put back that non-POV statement about Force Recon,

shitty Djibouti

On a lighter note. What time period were you in Djibouti? I doubt/hope that info is not compartmentalized --ProdigySportsman 03:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)