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use Module:template wrapper

I have rewritten Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help) (Subscription or UK public library membership required.) to use Module:template wrapper. This allows editors to use any of the available {{cite encyclopedia}} parameters without the need for special code in this template.

I have also tweaked the sandbox a bit so that |freearticle= makes the template rendering more like the native underlying {{cite encyclopedia}} rendering:

Keep? Discard?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

There having been no comment, sandbox version made live.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:34, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@User:Trappist the monk I did not have time to discuss it yesterday and as nothing was broken I decided to wait until today today, but in the meantime I see you have done so at Talk:Eastbourne manslaughter#Deprecated parameter (thanks for the ping),—ping user:Nikkimaria. I think that the padlock while nice eye candy is not as useful as the post script:

So I would like it restored. -- PBS (talk) 07:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I left it out because {{cite ODNB}} gets its style from cs1|2. In cs1|2, |registration= and |subscription= have been deprecated. Following the deprecation period, cs1|2 will no longer render the imprecise subscription and registration messages. The text message form of subscription notification provided by {{ODNBsub}} is inconsistent with the rendered form of adjacent cs1|2 citations. Editors are, of course, free to write <ref>{{cite ODNB|...}} {{ODNBsub|sentence=yes}}</ref>.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:35, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
I agree that it would be preferable to restore a visible marker of the subscription requirement. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Trappist the monk Is the access-date parameter not required? I don't care either way, just asking as it is a url based source? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 10:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I would say that it's not required; might be useful if ever the ODNB website changes its structure such that |url= in a url-only ODNB citation can't link to the ODNB article. Then, |access-date= would be handy in possibly locating a copy of the article on an archive service – and this is really only useful if the article is free-to-read. Except for the case of free-to-read articles where the |url= links to a section in the article, I see little reason for using |url= at all. Better, I think to convert all of those kinds of ODNB citations to use |id= or |doi= and remove |url= when |url= points into the ODNB website.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:07, 12 June 2019 (UTC)