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Indef. block for NorbertArthur

In early October, NorbertArthur (talk · contribs) was blocked by Alex Bakharev for personal attacks (after coming off a one-month block by Mets501 for this comment). I unblocked him later that month because he assured me that he would not make any more. Since then, Arthur has made comments such as, pizdaFATHERFUCKER Named: KHOIKHOI whithout testicles now he becamed a fucked admin after liking everybody's ass wants to intruce his shit of russians policies here. my words: FUCK RUSSIA AND UK, TO FUCKED COUNTRIES THAT SUCK OUR DICK. Fuck your mother all here. Bogdangiusca had to warn him to stop, or else he would get "get banned and this time for good". About a week later, Arthur made the following comment in an edit summary: i told you all mtf provide a source for your fuckin 21.5 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I unblocked him last month, he promised me here that I can re-block him if he makes other personal attacks...but how many more blocks should he be given? I say, one more, and hereby propose that NorbertArthur be blocked indefinitely. Comments welcome. Khoikhoi 20:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm no admin, but repeated posts like that, after multiple warnings and blocks, certainly seems to warrant an indef block. This one either doesn't understand our framework, or is simply uninterested in working within it. --Doc Tropics 20:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd support an indef block in this case. ++Lar: t/c 21:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

After the last offense I reblocked him for 6 months. If this is an age problem; let us see in 6 months whether he grows up. Only this time without parole. `'mikkanarxi 21:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I think he's unlikely to grow up at 23 years old. Two years older than me. Grandmasterka 22:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) Standard 24 hour blocks, one for each set of personal attacks from now onwards should be more than sufficient to get the message across (unless there is an actual problem, e.g. vandalism). Also, if you do permanently block him, don't forget to delete his userpage; it contains personal information.--Euthymios 22:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Right. Well, I think a one-month block is more than enough of a message, and I consider personal attacks to be an "actual" problem. Besides the fact that Khoikhoi was the one who unblocked him. Grandmasterka 23:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Play nice or play elsewhere. Guy (Help!) 23:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Personal attacks like that aren't even subtle; he even promised he could be banned for such behavior. Khoi, you say one more attack gets ban, I say negative one more attacks gets a ban. This kind of personal attack is not OK, and clearly a 24 hour block does nothing. Give him 6 months or indef. -Patstuart 23:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I hardly see the point in any more chances, and aside from the personal attacks, his editing itself has always been problematic at best; a permanent block seems the only reasonable action at this point. Jayjg 23:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Indefinitely block now. And caution User:Euthymios that inappropriate comments like that will lead to a block of his own. — Knowledge Seeker দ 01:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, Khoikhoi, he never bothered using English to curse me out. Believe it or not, he's said even nastier things in Romanian than the example cited here. Concur with indefinite block. - Jmabel | Talk 08:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but I would like to add my comment: NorbertArthur has for sure been asking for it, and he has been repeatedly engaging in inexcusable behaviour - the worst part of it was in Romanian. I was the target of such an outburst after I had asked him (for a second time) to write family name first in category brackets for articles on people (where he kept intervening). Judging by other users' talk pages, I see that he has done most of his trolling in Romanian.

Let me add that there is not a single piece of writing which could be cited as valuable from this user. In fact, all he has done was to create forks, use personal guesses to replace data, and create a problem in many articles by confusing and confounding Romanian people who live abroad with Romanian-born citizens of other countries and with Romanian ethnics who have lived their entire lives in foreign countries. Refusing to pay attention to guidelines, he has also uploaded copyrighted material - knowing full well that it was not public domain (this IMO, equates vandalism). As far as wikipedia is concerned, he is merely a habitual troll. Dahn 20:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Just looking through the edit summaries of his 30 or so contribs this month I find

1. Joffrey Lupul is Romanian at 100%, you stupid!
2. MOLDOVAN NATION DOESN'T EXIST STUPIDS!!
3. i told you all mtf provide a source for your fuckin 21.5 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jmabel | Talk 07:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

And more, he's already evading his block: Khoikhoi 00:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE:

1. what a fuck is your problem mtf KHOIKHOI TO REVERT MY EDITS????? SUCK MY DICK
2. YOU JUST SUCK MY DICK MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!

Ba da ba ba ba... Khoikhoi 04:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Can't you just feel the love? I think he's got a crush on you : ) Doc Tropics 04:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think than and indef block would be in order though... -- Grafikm 14:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I can definately feel the love, see his latest comment:

I came here and I say the following things: you are all a gang of hipocritic racists against the Romanian nation. I tried now for almost an year to do something, but with people like you there's no way back to recuperate. I'm not sorry at all for what i wrote and I'll be never! This wikipedia is for me just a shithole on Internet and I will tell you why, because its based on lyings and on point of view from other people (ex. Mikkalai, Khoikhoi). I not a accusing you user DC76 at all and I respect you of what you did. I know me too to use a polite language for people that I respect and for people that I don't respect like 95% of the wikipedia i usa that language. The respect is deserved. And for my future I will continue to edit wikipedia for one purpose: to destroy it. Nobody here knows that beyond my username NorbertArthur I'm the "owner" of an another 15 usernames that I edit on and no one of you will can fin out that 'cause its very good hidden. I'm not sorry for what I'm doing and you don't have the right to judge me ok? I proposed not one, not ten but hundred ideas, I think even more then 70 sources that where prooving what I was sustaining, you ignored all. to arrive a common point but I realized that you people are too low-minded to understand and that there's no purpose anymore to help just to destroy. The stupid admins like Khoikhoi they juste see the things against me, they don't see what me I endured from all you others by insulting my country and my people. But, there's always a way of neutral point. If everybody here will try at least to be one time in their life to be sincere and to listen to the other and not being racists, I promise and personally engage to stop all this and colaborate in good aim. But that will not happen I'm sure. I think I said all I had to say and explain.
Arthur 24 November 2006

I think this is more than enough evidence for an indef. block. Khoikhoi 22:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

A guy evading block with proxies and confessing to have socks? Indef and checkuser please. <_< -- Grafikm 22:02, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

They're not proxies, he just has a dynamic IP. BTW, I just blocked one of his socks a few minutes ago, although it wasn't active. Khoikhoi 22:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi everybody, I would like to point out that User:NorbertArthur's remarks coppied above were in response to my post here. User:Khoikhoi has pointed to me this response of his above, and here is our discussion.

I do not know NorbertArthur, because I am relatively new on Misplaced Pages. But I noticed his first rude remark he made a couple days ago in the subject line of the article Romanians, resulting in that article being blocked. Prior to the incident I also edited a little that article; there was a dispute, some people agreed to come to some middle solution, but several others continued their prefered warring, and everything we suggested was immediately reverted. For example, me and Khoikhoi supported diferent POV, but somehow we were able to talk and find common ground. If it were just we two, this article would have been long settled. I guess the simple fact that some users supporting differnt POV try to talk to each other is perceived by some as "treason", and even in majority by number, we are being dismissed. Despite the fact that there are 10+ editors in that article, the edit war was basically between three users: NorbertArthur against tow others. The propositions from both sides were going to the extreme from edit to edit until NorbertArthur perhaps did not resist, and started his famous now remarks. You know the rest of the story. Just as the extreme edits by the three users before, NorbertArthur's remarks after the block increased exponencially in rudeness from response to response. In an interval of less than 3 day to go to such lengths, wow! I agree with Doc Tropics's comment above, he had a very-very passionate crash. :-)

I don't know wikipedia policies well, I am new here, so I don't "recommend" anything to the person who'll be taking the decision. You know better.:Dc76 00:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Since no one seemed to object to the idea of a ban, I've extended it to indefinite. Khoikhoi 02:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you should throw in a checkuser as well... -- Grafikm 14:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Will314159 Legal threats

Having recently come back from a 10 day block for "violations of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and WP:NPA." and for recuting "...meatpuppet editors off-site", User:Will314159 has now issued not-so-thinly-veiled legal threats against User:Isarig here, here, and here. Armon 12:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

(Isarig had been blocked on 13 Nov for "Personal attacks on Juan Cole" -all the threats have been after that, 14 November 2006, 21 November 2006, and 22 November, respectively) Armon 13:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Will didnt make legal threat. All what he did was warning isarig not to WP:LIBEL. I think Isarig should be blocked instead because he libelled Juan cole here http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Juan_Cole&diff=87446122&oldid=87402322 Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 15:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Isarig's opinion is unlikely to be enforceable as libel in the US -especially as he would be able to point to published charges of antisemitism/antisemitic comments made by others against Cole. This does not mean that Will, as a lawyer, could not make life difficult for him via a frivolous lawsuit. Isarig has been blocked for violating NPA, however, that was apparently not enough for Will, and his legal threats amount to harassment of his "opponent". Will should be blocked, ideally permanently, as he's shown no acceptance of WP's mission, culture, or processes -or any progress towards it. Note the accusation below that I am Isarig's sock or "meatpuppet" because I find his behavior unacceptable. << armon >> 02:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages should avoid libel whether or not it is technically actionable - armon's claim that a libel claim may not be enforceable in one particular country is hardly a reason for Misplaced Pages to endorse libelous statements. In addition, the U.S. Supreme Court has clearly held that opinions can be actionable as libel -- the case Milkovich v. Lorain Journal Co. held that opinions can be libelous insofar as such opinions "may often imply an assertion of objective fact." (In this particular case, the "opinion" certainly does imply such an assertion and would be actionable if someone chose to pursue it). I find armon's insistence that Will be blocked permanently to be distasteful, as he appears to be trying to use Misplaced Pages policy to remove an ideological opponent. Will's statements that Isarig should avoid libel do not appear to me to be threats or personal attacks. csloat 03:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

csloat accuses me of using policy to silence my ideological opponent. I have no problem with "ideological opponents", I do however, object to the non-stop page disruptions since May 06 which both csloat and Will have engaged in. csloat is rightly worried that Will being banned will further isolate himself on Juan Cole, because without him, csloat will be the only intransigent party, regardless of "ideology". Further to the charge, if I really wanted my "ideological opponents silenced", I would do better to "go after" those who present a real challenge, not those who troll and produce low-quality, POV edits which have no real chance of remaining. << armon >> 06:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know of any page disruptions that I have been engaged in since May 06 (or any other time). I've been a very constructive Misplaced Pages editor for a couple years now. Will's participation is not my concern, but I do object to demands for permanent blocks against users who may be misguided but who clearly want to improve wikipedia. csloat 07:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

That he wants to improve WP is problematic in itself. His improvements entail scrapping NPOV. << armon >> 11:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• My computer has been out for a while because of a worm. I have previously warned Isaig of a gross violation of civility and libel. I have had no respone from him or others on this matter other than this preemptive action from Isarig's sockpuppet. there are some other complaints I need to make against other persons for gross incivility. if this is the proper place to make it then here goes. It is the grosses violation, and entirely uncalled for. Because it is in the edit line, it's permanent and can't be erased. It's for keeps. He's constantly noticing people and wikilawyering. i think Armon is his meatsockpuppet.

WP:CIV for calling Cole a "jewbaiter" in an edit log.

• • (cur) (last) 01:21, 13 November 2006 Isarig (Talk | contribs) (Cole is a jewbaiter, so his jewbaiting quotes are in. thsi was moved to v&C, but you've deleted V&C, so it's back here) Unless somebody else has already done it. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 17:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Some claims are so laughable they need no response, but i got suspended for another laughable claim for which i never had an opportunity to respond. So I better respond to this one. I deny I made a legal threat to Isarig. I advised him that he had subjected the Misplaced Pages foundation to libel with his namecalling and he needed to stop it. And I also said that if others didn't report him that I would. I put it on my talk page because he has a habit of deleting warnings on his talk page. I put it on the Cole talk page to get feedback to see if somebody had already noticed it because I had no feedback from Isarig about it and I didn't know how to notice it. And I will tell Professor Cole about this because he is a friend of mine and it's funnier than hell that Isarig would get so vulgar. Here is somebody that is wikilawering and turning people in all the time for the slighted imagined rule violations and going aroung libeling people in the grossest way. He can't be allowed to get away with this. Maybe he's already been punished for it, I don't know. Please advise. I have had no feedback. And as for Armon, to each his own. Godspeed John Glenn! Will 18:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The comment about how you would "inform" Cole about the matter together with the other comments seems like a legal threat. Please stop. JoshuaZ 21:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Will asserts that he is a lawyer- see here, therefore the phrase: I will advise Professor Cole if the Misplaced Pages community fails to discipline you. suggests a more credible legal threat than simply telling on him. << armon >> 01:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC) I suggest a block. << armon >> 01:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Will may be a lawyer, but it is a stretch to claim that "advise" is being used in such a legal sense in that sentence. It is doubtful that Will is Cole's lawyer and it is unlikely that Cole would accept Will's counsel under the circumstances. But I believe the problem here is not Will -- if Misplaced Pages is sued because of a statement that Isarig published, it is Isarig and not Will who is at fault, whether or not Will is the lawyer who initiates such a lawsuit. csloat 03:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If was pretty obvious what was being implied. How else would a person (Juan Cole) who has no professional or personal contacts with another person (Isarig) do anything to negatively affect the second person other than through a legal matter. I really don't see how Will can deny what was clearly being insinuated.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 05:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The word "advised" is very common and is often used in non-legal settings. As a university professor, for example, I often "advise" students. In another example, I often "advise" friends (or seek "advice" from same) on personal matters. I believe this may help clear it up. I have no way of knowing whether it was Will's intent to use the term in a particular way, but I assure you that it is even possible for lawyers to use the term "advise" in a non-technical sense. Will may have simply meant that he intended to send Dr. Cole an email. That doesn't necessarily excuse the action, but it does make it a lot less sinister than is being implied here. I would add, again, that the legal problem, if there is one, lies with the party posting illegal content, and not the party who takes action (or who informs someone) of said content. After all, we don't need a legal adviser to expose something that has already been posted to a public website.csloat 07:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, then Will's threats were utterly unnecessary other than for trolling and/or harassment. As for the "ultimate meaning" of "advise" or "inform", we might as well argue about what the meaning of "is" is, rather than putting it in the context of Will's posting of WP talk page debates on Cole's blog to solicit POV warriors, his "ends justify the means" approach to editing here, and his complete lack of regard for any policy other than WP:IAR. His "deniablity" is far too implausible. << armon >> 11:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have been contacted to step in, as the blocking admin, but I am home with my family for Thanksgiving, and will have no time to step into this dispute today. I am sorry. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 19:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

These are clearly legal threats, regardless of the apologetics, and should not be tolerated. Jayjg 22:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. As such, I have blocked the user for 45 days, considereing that legal threats are a fairly dramatic step up in poor user behavior and will not be tolerated. As always, I appreciate admin review of my block, and will abide by any changes the community suggests. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 22:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm a newby and there's a lot I don't understand. But I don't think legal threats have been made. In my neck of the woods one might "advise" someone of something, and you'd only be telling them it happened. You'd not be suggesting they sue, nor would you be "advising" them of how to go about sueing someone.

What is much, much more worrying is that Isarig is apparently free to post "(Cole is a jewbaiter, so his jewbaiting quotes are in. thsi was moved to v&C, but you've deleted V&C, so it's back here)" . This would be a deeply unpleasant slur even if it was genuine - and to accuse supporters of Israel of potential "dual loyalty" is not (on the face of it) jew-baiting.

I trust Isarig doesn't mind others referencing the fact that particular people are Jewish - oh, look, he takes considerable objection "what relevance does the alleged Jewishness of the lead prosecutor have to do with the article? Other than to push the POV that it is religiously motivated, that is?Isarig 06:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)".

PalestineRemembered 19:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Normal Bob Smith (2nd nomination)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Normal Bob Smith (2nd nomination) needs input from unbiased non-SPAs. —Quarl 2006-11-22 19:56Z

I want to unblock User:E104421 and User:Karcha

Hi, guys.

User:E104421 and User:Karcha were recently blocked as sockpuppets of each other since the checkuser investigation have shown they both use IPs from the same University. Later User:Future Perfect at Sunrise found some evidence suggesting that they might be different people and unblocked them, then DMC found the evidences to be unconvincing and reblock them again. Now I had an E-mail exchange with both users. I know their real names and University IDs as well as the official University E-mail addresses. They appear to be separate people and the victims of a terrible coincidence and claim they even did not know each other before the incident. They work on different departments and have different status within their University. There is a small probability that one is a meatpuppet of the other, but it seems to be unlikely.

As I understand from DMC's messages on my talk page the checkuser only confirms that they both are using the same University IPs, there is no other hidden indication they are the same people not available to all Wikipedians, so it is essentially a judgement call.

I think in this case we could assume WP:AGF and believe the editors, rather than lose two notable editors. I there will be no objections I will unblock E and K in a couple of hours. Alex Bakharev 00:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Lacking any tools to verify it myself, your explanation sounds quite reasonable, as does your unblock. --Doc Tropics 00:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have unblocked the guys Alex Bakharev 04:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ummmm, there was somewhat of a consensus to have Karcha remain blocked here. This user is extremely disruptive, with 90% of his edits being reverts, and the rest being personal attacks like "Kill Persianism". I don't see what good to the project we'd be doing if we unblocked him. As I said previously, I have no problem with E104421 being unblocked, however. Khoikhoi 07:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

To Khoikhoi: Khoikhoi, i want you to prove my "kill persianism" claim. Where did i say this. You are manipulating persons. I didn't say "kill persianizm".--Karcha 10:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

If you prove this i will go out from wiki but if you can't prove this we have to think about your neutrality as an admin.--Karcha 10:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Karcha, don't be pushing your luck. It was "Kill Paniranism", and it was in several edit summaries on 15 November. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was kill paniranism and if i say persianism this consists of racism. I'm not a racist. However paniranism is different, this is a political manner.--Karcha 10:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No strong opinion on Karcha on my side, but I'll second Alex' opinion that E should be rehabilitated. Like Alex, I've been in contact with both users and found what I consider pretty strong evidence that they are different individuals (in addition to what I posted earlier). If there's consensus for a community ban on Karcha, let's get this clarified here - although my impression is his disruptiveness so far has not been quite up to the level where community bans have been handed out in other cases. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello everybody. As I said before, I have nothing against the unblocking of E104421, as in case of doubts, as Alex noted, we should assume good faith. As for Karcha, I can only reiterate my belief that he should be blocked; and please, spare us sophisms like "oh, I didn't say kill iranism; I said kill paniranism: it's different". Was also calling Khorshid "Khorshit" a "political" position?. What I see, is a constant pattern of disruption.--Aldux 15:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have reblocked Karcha, as I was under the impression that there was somewhat of a consensus to not unblock him/her in the first place. If we want to unblock him, there should be some support here to do so. Khoikhoi 18:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Firstly, I am not sure that I can post my oppinion here or not. If not. Please cancel it totally.
• Why am I here; I was a kind of mediator.I contacted with these two users by mail and by phone later.I tranferred mails to some admins which they are take place in this discussion. I know the details, and something disturbed me in this matter.

1. The major reason to block these users was allegation of puppetry. E104421 blocked temporarly for puppetry, Karcha blocked indefinitely for puppetry plus some distruptive behaviours.
2. Now, allegation of puppetry is failed.
   1. E104421; no crime-no penalty, Unblocked. Ok.
   2. Karcha; no pupetry crime, there is distruptive edits.
      1. Karcha, now indefinitely blocked;Reason: distruptive edits.
3. Lets take a balance; lets put this crime one side and punishment to other side. If there is a balance, everything is ok.If not then no punishment/or another punishment is suitable.You can see also other users'(like as Korshid) distruptive edits/bad words.

• I posted a message to Karcha some hours ago, to keepaway from edit-rv war.
• also I posted a message to Khoikhoi to invite showing good faith.
• Thanks a lot for your tolerance to my intervene. Regards to all.Must 19:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I am second to Mustafa that it is kind of illogical to clear an account from the sockpuppeting allegations and permablock another one for been a sockpuppet. I am not a great fun of Karcha as an editor but since he is blocked for been a sock and the base of the allegations appear to be doubtful we should not probably reblock him. Maybe we could put him on Community Probation per Misplaced Pages:Community sanction? So any admin who would find him disruptive could permablock him? The situation starts to look like as a Wheel War so I would not repeat my administrative actions, but I would be great if an uninvolved admin could review the situation. Alex Bakharev 11:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Disclaimer: I am not an admin. However, Must left a note asking me to review this, so I have. There is no question that Karcha has been disuptive in the past and made inappropriate comments and edit summaries. Also, Karcha has a definite tendency to edit with a nationalistic POV. However, there is a certain inconsistency to how these cases are being handled, and an indef block seems excessive. I agree that Community Probation would be a useful tactic. This would allow Karcha an opportunity to demonstrate some good-faith editing, while ensuring that he is closely watched. Further, I think some kind of Mentoring would be useful, preferably from an editor or admin who is familiar with the topics in question, and has some familiarity with the culture; I have a strong impression that much of this comes down to "cultural differences" and an incomplete understanding of how to "play well with others". I would request that the admins involved consider and discuss the possibilty that a combination of Probation and Mentoring would help Karcha become a more productive editor, thereby benefitting both the individual, and the project. --Doc Tropics 18:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Some very good ideas, but I'd like to add that strict probation conditions should be applied to make fully sure that his former behavior is unacceptable. --InShaneee 23:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to add my two cents in as an editor who has been following this from the get-go. All I want to say is that we should try to be more lenient with relatively new users. Look, we have all joined Wiki at one point and were newbies at some stage. There was a point when we didn't know how Wiki and its rules worked. And let's not forget that Internet is international, when a university student from one corner of the world joins wiki, it might take some for him to adjust and learn to work efficiently in a completely international and free environment. A indef block right off the bat seems too excessive is all I am trying to say, I think he has gone through enough to understand that certain disruptive editing patterns will not be tolerated in the long run. I have run across other newbie editors who were engaging in certain disruptive editing (some of them that also seemed nationalistic) and I have always tried to tell them that they should concentrate on learning how Wiki works with an emphasis on a watch-and-learn attitude. In the end they always come around :)) I will also try to keep in contact with K about this and try to answer any questions he might have. A lame attempt at humor/insult by trying to make a pun out of a user's name from Khorshid to Khorshit shouldn't be the basis of an indef. I mean, nobody is Jesus, everyone looses their tempers at one point, let's ask him to apologize to that user. Just give the guy another chance, if he goes back to disruptive editing patterns, it can be dealt with accordingly. Even California has a three strikes rule, not one-strike rule. :))) Cheers! Baristarim 11:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad faith behavior by Shamir1 and Amoruso (continued)

New discussion: The following discussion of a few days ago was archived too early. Emboldened by the failure to get any action over his blatant dishonesty, Shamir1 has now repeated the same stunt with help of his side-kick Amoruso. To summarise: Amoruso and Shamir1 are completely aware that there is a major unresolved dispute over the article but each of them individually asked for unprotection on the false claim that it was resolved. Edits and . As soon as someone unprotected the article, Shamir1 did a massive revert to his preferred version , vastly more than the minor point he had conceded on the talk page. Of course he hopes that next time it will be protected the way he likes. Is this sort of abuse of the system allowed?

I ask again that action be taken to stop this behavior. The Arbitration Committee shouldn't need to be called on in such an obvious case. --Zero 02:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Previous discussion:

Palestinian Exodus is the scene of a long-running content dispute (but that's not what this complaint is about). Admin User:Steel359 protected the article on Nov 12 for this reason. However, User:Shamir1, one of the main warring parties, was unhappy about which version was protected so on Nov 18 he claimed on Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection that the dispute was over. Since the argument was continuing ferociously on the Talk page, with Shamir1 involved, this claim was a deliberate lie in order to trick someone into unprotecting the article. And in fact Steel359 unprotected the article in good faith, only to be forced to protect it again soon afterwards. I respectfully request action against Shamir1 for this dishonest behavior. --Zero 05:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the history, User:Shamir1 has not edited the article since November 11. Do you have the wrong user there? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 05:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The article had been protected since Nov 12 except for the brief unprotection on Nov 18 that I mentioned, that's why he didn't edit it. Look on the talk page to see his continued involvement in the dispute (8 edits since Nov 12). --Zero

I think what Zero is saying is that he had the intent of doing so, and ought to have action taken against him. An attempted crime is almost as bad as a crime itself. -Patstuart 07:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

"deliberate lie in order to trick someone into unprotecting the article" is a crime. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 07:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Note:User:Isarig did similar thing to Neo-Fascism. he requested unprotection, deleted the section in dispute, and then had his version protected. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 08:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

About Shamir1, if you look at his contribs he requested unprotection several times this week. He kept coming back each time after unprotection was declined , and yesterday (his third or fourth request) I decided to AGF and unprotect. It was promptly reprotected when the edit warring started again. I can't say I was surprised. -- Steel 12:42, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I say they should both at least get a severe tongue-lashing, and, if it checks out on Isarig, the version should be reverted. If it happens again, they should be temp-blocked for disruption. I would do so myself, but I'm not an admin. Patstuart 19:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

If anybody acted in bad faith it was User:Zero0000 himself. Note that this is not a content dispute per se - it's simply Zero0000 deleting mass sourced material. Amoruso 21:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

We're not debating here the legitimacy of the changes, we're debating the fact that this user seems to have made a bad-faith request to get the page unprotected, so that he could get his own version back before it was reprotected. Regardless of the legitmacy of the claims, that's breaking faith if it was true. Patstuart 22:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Zero is being delusional. I asked for page un-protection because the debate over Habib Issa (you can see it was the only debated issue) was settled with me and Shamir accepting not to argue over it anymore. We were actually willing to not add a sourced WP:RS WP:V WP:CITE material in order to end the edit war - and we didn't add it ! And now he complains ? Zero is obviously abusing the system by filing bogus reports. We all have a right to ask for page unprotection whenever we feel it's right. Amoruso 06:49, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This has happened on other articles too, Amoruso ran out the number of reverts he could make on the Third holiest site in Islam, and he got Humus sapiens to revert it to the version he edited a long time ago, which had an old AfD message even. IMHO Admins shouldnt indulge in this behavior. And further goes to show the nature of WP:OWN by Amoruso.First, there was this revert -> and then This message on Humus sapiens talk page by Amoruso after which followed this very disruptive revert thestick 10:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Humus Sapiens tried to fix your vandalism Thestick. It's allowed of course and it's unrelated. Amoruso 22:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

MY Vandalism? Also, most of content that he restored has been deleted with total consensus. If he wanted to restore the deleted content, he could have reverted it to a recent edit instead of going back all the way to YOUR last edit. Admins shouldn't act like puppets. thestick 06:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There is also an open AMA Case involving User:Amoruso and User:Shamir1 regarding the same article. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous AOL user adding spam links

An anonymous user from AOL is constantly adding spam links and bogus information to numerous articles related to ghosts and the supernatural. So far, I've seen the one and the same link added to Ghost, but from these IPs:

• 172.143.166.70 (talk · contribs) - Edit with link added
• 172.201.12.187 (talk · contribs) - Another edit with the same link added
• 172.142.57.188 (talk · contribs) - And a third edit with the same link added to the article

When adding this link, this spammer immediately follows up with another edit elsewhere in this article. I don't know why, but it seems like an attempt cover up his tracks, so to speak, since a simple check on the difference between current and last edit won't show the link added. By now, I think it's about time that an administrator had a look at this matter, since this spammer really doesn't seem to get it when warned by other editors. /M.O (u) (t) 14:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Another IP used by this spammer:

• 172.188.162.120 (talk · contribs) - Another edit, same link added

/M.O (u) (t) 14:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• 81.145.241.154 (talk · contribs) - Spammer has returned to once again spam Halloween with the same link he always adds. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 07:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Other instances of same link added:

• 172.143.166.70 (talk · contribs) - commercial link
• 172.201.12.187 (talk · contribs) same link

Comment - Perhaps a range block would be a suitable solution here? I have feeling that we haven't seen this spammer/vandal for the last time, although the site (ghosttracker.50webs.com) is now blacklisted and can't be linked to from Misplaced Pages articles. He seems intent on damaging the articles in question, when he can no longer link to his site. Abusive spammers like this one has no business on Misplaced Pages, thus a range block might be the most pertinent action in order to prevent further damage? /M.O (u) (t) 00:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

These are AOL IPs and the problem I've always seen is that there is so much collateral damage... but I'm going to go ahead and block these specific IPs for anon access only, 48 hours, account creation allowed. (note WinHunter already blocked 81.145.241.154) as always, comments welcomed. ++Lar: t/c 00:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Page "Metrocenter Mall" was deleted without notice, needs to be reinstated

I have been editing pages on shopping centers in the Phoenix, AZ area, where I live, and the San Francisco Bay Area, where I grew up.

Today I found that the page "Metrocenter Mall" was deleted by admin JzG citing (WP:CSD G11, spam,) as a reason. I would beg to disagree with the conclusion as 1) Metrocenter is a major shopping center in Phoenix, one of America's major cities and 2) using such criteria would disqualify several dozen articles on shopping malls. Shopping centers are a topic of great social, cultural and economic significance in the USA and worldwide and deserve coverage on Misplaced Pages. Articles on them should not be deleted. Please strongly consider reposting the article, and/or I will begin a replacement article within 48 hours.--Msr69er 18:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• I left a note on the above user's talk page advising (1) to discuss with the deleting admin and (2) take it to DRV. I also mentioned that recreating deleted content is generally wasted effort. Robert A.West (Talk) 18:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• • You may be interested in the discussion of Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Centre 2000. I don't see why we give malls the thumbs down when they are valid structures akin to other notable buildings. Yeah, some do not need to be on here for notability reasons, but many have interesting histories. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 03:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
• I disagree with its deletion, and I've submitted it to Deletion review. Titoxd 19:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Jcurtis

Jcurtis has been warned several times to stop blanking external links in articles and adding POV comments. He did this again multiple times today. I reported him to WP:AIV but they said to take it here. Dismas| 21:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This user continues to add POV material and blank external links. Can nothing be done? Dismas| 20:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Reliable verifiable sources on Peter Pickles

Martin Waller is a serious economic reporter for the serious Times Newspapers Ltd., so when he published a reliable verifiable article on a notable person dying, naturally "verifiable not true" wikipedia publishes an article on him at Peter Pickles. I have no such reliable verifiable source that he is a fictitious person altho I can do original research to such an end. Good thing we have WP:IAR. WAS 4.250 00:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Good thing we have CSD A7. Why can't we just delete it via that. There is no assertion of notability in that article. --Deskana talk 00:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

When I started writing that, it still existed. It doesn't anymore. Never mind. --Deskana talk 00:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if the author's column was considered a reliable source, then wouldn't his subsequent column retracting the original one be equally reliable? Newyorkbrad 00:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

i deleted it after reading this. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 00:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ouch! That was embarrassing; thanks for deleting. At least we can self-correct fairly quickly when these things come up. --Doc Tropics 16:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ag afd

User:Ag afd is a sockpupet for someone. Don't know who. All the user has done to this point is nominate articles for deletion. See: contribs for Ag afd Each of his/her nominations appears to be notable, and not really worthy of deletion. Someone to keep an eye on. --Jayron32 02:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• Misplaced Pages:Single purpose account violating username policy. Indef blocked. - Mgm| 13:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Pflanzgarten sockpuppet abuse

Refer to here for evidence. Me and a couple other editors that are keeping an eye on Jim Clark are always noticing new sockpuppets from this user. I think it's time that the 3 or 4 IP ranges that Pflanzgarten are using (Listed here) are blocked, as I personally feel that's the only way he/she would stop. That, or a complaint to his/her ISP. I just wanted to list this problem here, so an Administrator can intervene in a way, possibly like how I recomended. // I c e d K o l a 05:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like a lot of those IPs come up red at completewhois, like this, and should go to WP:OP. As for the article, there are still only one or two vandal edits per day which doesn't seem even semi-protection worthy to me. But I've seen a lot of different opinions on that subject so I'm sure many will disagree. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Project page vandalism

Hi, The project titled 'Neutral Coverage of Sri Lankan Crisis' or WP:NCSLC has been vandalized again. Please check this diff's page which points out to almost the entire page being blanked out by two IP's which apparently have worked in tandem. This is the first IP 59.92.88.135, which appears to be a completely dud IP created only for vandalizing such pages. The second IP 125.238.104.244 seems to be a professional tailormade-vandaluser IP which has involved in personal attacks, racial slurs and also foul language in Misplaced Pages all of which can be found in his talk page.

I kindly request the admins top please check both the IPs for all the malice that they have created. Thanks Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 11:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I would also have to support blocking this I.P, he has malicously damaged my User Talk Page over an article Sarath Forenska. I can't help but find the relation between this user and Lahiru_k who is also under close scrutiny, as the I.P in question has a noticable change on the article by reverting it to Lahiru's original post.--Sharz 12:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sharz to correct one minor thing you meant this article Sarath Fonseka. Elalan 23:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Evading indef bans AlanBarnet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The intial sockpuppet check found tentatively unrelated, and suggest that we rely on bahavioral evidence. Will post another checkuser with HypnoSynthesis.

Arbcom case: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Neuro-linguistic_programming#Documentation_of_bans Checkuser: suggested that we submit here if there is enough behavioral evidence

Behavioral evidence connecting AlanBarnet (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) also edited from 88.106.4.118 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 88.106.13.232 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) other possibly HypnoSynthesis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

• Inserted statements without bothering to use ref citation style used in document. This was also done by banned editors. Used the same referencing style as was copy and pasted by banned editors in the past. Eg. HeadleyDown (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)Camridge (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and other banned editors.
• Created account and immediately started editing the NLP with a skeptical POV, also started with revert then edit, pasted text written by banned editors.
• Has repeatedly inserted the same text written by banned editors, . The way it is written sets up a straw man argument by defining NLP in the most flakey or negative terms.
• Editor also personally attacked Comaze (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) in text and incivility in edit comments,
• Reverted blindly on a number of occasions: See thread.
• Immediately accussed other editors of NPOV violations while pushing a skeptical POV
• Other wikipedian have identified similar editing patterns the banned editors
• Personal attack on Comaze in edit comments and text. Essentially accusing other editors as "cult" members
• Has pasted and copied content written by a banned editors. Has even reverted. The reverts even retained formatting, spelling and referencing errors that had been fixed by other editors.
• Simlar skeptical tabloid style and POV as banned editors
• Has reverted without even bothering to keep spelling, style, referencing corrections by other editors
• Uses same referencing style as statements posted by banned editors. Has little interest in using proper wiki ref systems as agreed upon by other editors
• Inserted misleading quotes and statements. Eg. inserted unverified rumour as fact see "Jedi Project" diffs.
• Uses confusing (sometimes misleading) edit comments.
• Often confuses science fact with opinion, or personal belief of authors

--Comaze 13:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of image

I speedy deleted an image, File:Newyorkatnight.gif, because it was created by an self-described sockpuppet of Blu Aardvark, and because it was extremely offensive. The sockpuppet, Mi Querida (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) had placed the image on User:MONGO's talk page. User:CambridgeBayWeather had already blocked the account. Does anyone have a problem with my decision to speedy the image? -- Donald Albury 14:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No way. That has no place on Misplaced Pages. Delete with avengance. --Deskana talk 14:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem at all; that made me sick. -- tariqabjotu 14:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

CSD G3, seems fairly straightforward. --pgk 16:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I was wondering if 'general' speedy tags were applicable to images. My tagging was correct then. I wonder why people put things as distasteful as this on here? Eugh.-Localzuk 18:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:SiobhanHansa

This user is being incivil, making legal threats, and wikistalking Lucky 6.9, Newyorkbrad and Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington. Please block her. --Ploughmanhorse 14:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Looked through most of this editor's last 50 and see no interplay involving the three editors this complaint suggests are being stalked. I *do* see a lot of good spam link removal, and would suggest that, combined with the first edit of a newly registered editor being to make this complaint, looks kind of suspect. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Very suspect. There is zero evidence to support this accusation, its pretty clearly a disgruntled spammer trying (and failing) to accuse a user in good standing. Gwernol 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I recall no interaction of any kind between me and this editor. Newyorkbrad 22:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Abusive edit

By WhiteEagleSerbianPride (talk · contribs) wich is a suspected sockpupped of PANONIAN (talk · contribs). --Vince 15:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Related-seeming troubling threat here from anon IP 212.200.175.122 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) to Vince Dina 16:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked WhiteEagleSerbianPride indefinitely - only one edit, and it's a death threat. I'll leave someone more experienced to deal with any sockpuppet issues. --Tango 16:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked that IP address for 24 hours. I can't see any point warning people not to give death threats... --Tango 16:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Particularly threats as ominous as that one...Dina 16:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That is upsetting, but someone should run CheckUser on User:PANONIAN, he speaks Serbian and that is the country from which the death threats supposedly were voted on. Cbrown1023 16:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a CheckUser request pending. Newyorkbrad 18:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The CheckUser has come back an "unrelated". The accounts that made the death threats are blocked, so I guess this matter is now closed. --Tango 11:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Closing a controversial AfD category

Who would I ask to close a controversial AfD category? It has been one week today since this category was opened Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_18#Category:State_terrorism. Travb (talk) 17:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Seabhcan

I have blocked Seabhcan (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) for another of his increasingly disruptive personal attacks.. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Seabhcan. I would appreciate review and feedback. Tom Harrison 18:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Would have blocked for longer than 3 hours. An admin should know better. An admin who finds himself editing numerous contentious articles with numerous contentious editors ought to set an example, or back away until he can. Thatcher131 21:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You guys really need to find a sense of humour somewhere. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 21:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Tom Harrison, I take exception at your one-sided warnings and blocks. Your conduct today is fit to produce as many Seigenthaler incidents as possible. The accusations raised by Morton Devonshire were substantial, bordering on the legally relevant, and unsubstantiated in any way. Your protecting them is tantamount to promoting them. --OliverH 17:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. The only thing I remember saying to you is to not make personal attacks. Is there something else? Tom Harrison 14:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Asteroidz R not planetz

Not really sure what to do here. User has a rather strong point of view about planets vs. asteroids and made some questionable edits to push this POV diff diff. We had a rather civil exchange about it my comment his reply (in my archive for some reason. However this user has now started creating a series of articles such as Mercury-4,879km across and one since deleted. I spoke to him about it diff, but he has since cleared his talk page and created Earth-12,746km across. Not sure what speedy tag to use, or what warning to give. Dina 19:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I put db-empty on the earth one, and prodded mercury. Several more planets left and he has a to-do list of sorts on his userpage...Dina 19:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I have posted a quick hello (similar to the one you posted before Dina) just asking for him to conform with our policies.-Localzuk 19:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool, hopefully he'll give up before we get to 2003 UB313-2,400km across. ;) Dina 19:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:72.74.110.151

This user recently blocked(also suspected as sockpuppet), after just unblocked it begins vandalist attacks in many articles with personal attacks in edit summary comments.
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Special:Contributions/72.74.110.151 others here Please take alook. Regards Must 19:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked again. Thanks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The anon's recent behavior and new remarks makes it clear that it's a sockpuppet of 172GAL. This means its edits can be reverted, regardless of the merits of the edits themselves. Khoikhoi 20:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Accusations in racism and personal threats

A user Serouj accused me in racism after I mentioned that Armenians belong to Armenoid racial type in the talk page You are clearly a racist and lack any concept of history. Please leave this discussion before you become banned.--Nixer 19:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

IMO once you start speaking of Armenioid racial types, you're asking for it. We've moved on from those times, it's 2006.--Euthymios 20:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently Nixer didn't.--Eupator 20:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's assume it was just a silly thing to say. Nixer, race is such a sensitive subject that even old "scientific" terms can be considered offensive to some. You never know who's behind the usernames, so just accept that other people have a higher offense-threshold than you, speak delicately in the future, and don't worry about it too much. His accusation was reactionary, but not really out of line, and did not contain what WP regards as a personal attack. --Masamage 20:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't looked at the diffs, but I think "You are clearly a racist..." is a personal attack. Tom Harrison 20:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Nixer knows what he's doing. He's a long time user with a questionable history, he clearly baited Serouj with those provocative statements.--Eupator 20:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely infraction of our civility policy. However, accusations of racism in general can't really be outlawed as always being attacks, because it is sometimes a useful and important observation. --Masamage 20:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedians should keep their opinions of one another to themselves. Pointing out what one believes are another's flaws are not "useful and important", they're personal attacks, whether true or not. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand me. What I mean is that if someone is going around calling other people this word, we have to have a way of qualifying that. It's racist, and that is against the rules, and pointing out a breakage of the rules requires pointing out racist language. I'm not saying we should be calling eachother names all the time--it is definitely a large breach of civility to call someone racist without an extremely good excuse. No argument there. Pointing out someone's "flaws" isn't okay; pointing out someone's outward behavior is. --Masamage 21:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to explain that I have nothing against Armenians. Serouj said that Lebanese (unlike Armenians) have "Semitic blood" (which is not a scientific term). I replied that in fact Armenians and Lebanese have much in common as both belong to Armenoid racial type.--Nixer 21:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no such racial type, and Armenians have as much in common with Lebanese as Russians do with Uzbeks.--Eupator 21:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Nixer arguably has the longest block record on Misplaced Pages, his last block for stirring trouble on the Armenia talk page was for one week!!! It was even prolonged due to block evasion. Now he's back to the same talk page doing more of the same.--Eupator 20:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that is long. And mostly for revert warring, I notice. Probably the admins who have done that blocking will have the best idea of how to proceed regarding Nixer himself. --Masamage 20:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The block was because I reverted Eupator who tried to archive an ongoing discussion to hide my arguments. And the prolongation was because an admin mistakenly decided edits by another user were mine (and he unblocked me when determined it was not me).--Nixer 21:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

No such thing. You were blocked for another one of your disruptions at the time when the discussion was archived. When you returned you maliciously reverted the archived discussion and edited it for which you were blocked for one whole week yet again.--Eupator 21:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully the defendant is allowed to speak at his own trial :). I sincerely apologize if my calling you a racist hurt you, Nixer. However, your behavior on Talk:Armenia is very unappropriate and counterproductive. You continue to regurgitate the same statements, even though they have been disproved more than once, and remain ignorant on the facts and history that are presented regarding the Armenian language, Armenian alphabet, and history of the Armenian people. I (and others on Talk:Armenia) have repeatedly provided you with quotes, references to Misplaced Pages encyclopedia articles (the History of the alphabet, the Armenian language, and the Unicode standard, and yet you still continue to regurgitate your baseless and simply untrue comments:

1. That the Armenian language is not European, even though linguistics categorize it as Indo-European.

   Indo-European does not mean European.--Nixer 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

2. That the Armenian alphabet is not European, even though it's derived from Greek, and is considered one by the Unicode standard.

   It is only one theory based on letters order. Opearance of the letters conpletely different from Greek.--Nixer 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

3. etc., etc.

What you are doing is nothing more than terrorizing the Talk:Armenia page, and I (and others) have had enough of it. My comment was reactionary, but not baseless; it's not pointing out a flaw. Racism is a crime in most Western nations, and Nixer's comments constitute Anti-Armenianism. Thank you, and regards.Serouj 21:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no Anti-Armenianism in my comments.--Nixer 21:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You have been waging an anti-Armenian campaign for several months now. Several administrators kindly asked you to cease bringing up controversial allegations and refrain from posting in the Armenia talk page considering your block history. Yet you still continue to cause trouble.--Eupator 21:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is another allegation of the same type. Please explain where do you see anti-Armenianism and allegations? Is saying Armenia is not located in Europe - anti-Armenianism?--Nixer 21:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the least of what you have been doing. As Serouj put it, you have been terrorizing the talk page without any interruption.--Eupator 21:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Where do you see terrorism? And again, wherre do you see anti-Armenianism?--Nixer 22:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Every single edit you ever made in regards to Armenia is anti-Armenian. You are obsessed with ridiculing and harassing Armenian users on Misplaced Pages. Like I said even after you were asked not to continue engaging in these controversial issues which always seems to lead to you being blocked you still continue to do so. That's how obsessed you are. I'm tired of having to worry what Nixer is up to now instead of concentrating on working on articles.--Eupator 22:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Which phrase do you consider anti-Armenian? It is really only your distorted perception.--Nixer 22:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur.--Eupator 21:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Nixer, you are only wasting everyone's time. I am saying the sky is blue, showing you that others are saying the sky is blue, showing you what meteorologists say about the sky - that it is blue - and yet you still come back to me and say the sky is green. I have nothing further to say to you.Serouj 22:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well said. No need to get trapped in the vicious cycle that he's trying to set up.--Eupator 22:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I only say black is black. I show you encyclopedia which says black is black and you still say black is white.--Nixer 06:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Offensive username: User:Nick Sex

I was browsing through Special:Log/newusers and saw this username:

• 20:19, 25 November 2006 Nick Sex (Talk | contribs) created new account User:Dinm

think this username could be counted as offensive under the WP:U policy. Could it be blocked, please?

Best wishes,

Yuser31415 20:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Already blocked. Newyorkbrad 20:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Dkkicks

I just came across this user after viewing the DRV for Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Parodies featured on Arthur. I noticed this user personally attacking another, so I went to his talk page. There, I noticed several messages for problems with his uploads. Looking at his logs, I found that nearly every image he uploaded has some problem, whether lack of a source, orphaned fair use, or just flat out copyvioing. After tagging these, this user now has over 30 sections on his talk page notifying him of image problems. This user has also been repeatedly warned for personal attacks, and has changed section headers of warnings to "And now, a word from Wikinazis." --Rory096 21:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

None of the above actions on the part of the user are recent enough. Keep an eye and report back if further issues arise. El_C 09:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:SiobhanHansa

This user is also known as Subversive element (talk · contribs) - please block. --Lloydsaines 22:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the second blatantly false accusation against User:SiobhanHansa in the last 30 minutes. Lloydsaines is indef blocked as a troll. User:SiobhanHansa is to be praised for their successful work against the spammers to have riled them so. Gwernol 22:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Johnsonsjohnson (talk · contribs · central auth · count · email)

This user account is less than a month old, and shows evidence in their edits of previous experience with Misplaced Pages's guidelines and procedures. However, the sum total of their few edits are all on talk or Misplaced Pages: pages, and the vast majority of those are to do with ongoing discussions in several places about the status of the Lost (TV series) article and its place above the main Lost disambiguation page. Cases in point are this attempt to have the Lost, Scotland article deleted on notability grounds in contravention of guidelines, and this attempt to rally support at WP:D for his case at making Lost (TV series) an unambiguously titled article on those grounds. Given the total lack of actual article editing on this account and single-mindedness of their efforts on Misplaced Pages, I cannot assume good faith and suspect sock puppetry by an unknown user. --BlueSquadronRaven 23:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

How is it not a legit sockpuppet, though? El_C 09:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving of Hercule (Dragon Ball) to Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) right AFTER a failed move request

See

• Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball) for the filed move request, which failed
• Talk:Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) to show how the users who wished to move the article still defied the move request AFTER it had been decided
  • EDIT: Changed link from Mr. Satan to Mr. Satan (Dragon Ball) WhisperToMe 03:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Also see:

• My confrontation of User:Onikage725 when he moved the page AFTER the issue was decided: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Onikage725&diff=prev&oldid=90110975 and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Onikage725&diff=prev&oldid=90111097
• His response: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:WhisperToMe&diff=90110490&oldid=90023895 and http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:WhisperToMe&diff=90112529&oldid=90110490
• My response: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Onikage725&diff=prev&oldid=90114167

WhisperToMe 00:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

EDIT: A user filed a page protection request for the page at Misplaced Pages:Requests for page protection WhisperToMe 01:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I read the discussion on Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball) after the request for move protection and could not identify any clear decision about the name the article should have. I suggest that any move proposals be taken to WP:RM in order to produce some consensus.--Húsönd 01:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

My bad, I was directed to the wrong discussion by following the link on WP:RPP.--Húsönd 01:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I reverted the move back to its original location, and move protected the article. Completely ignoring the outcome of a move request is not the wiki-way. Like Husond said, further move proposals should be taken to WP:RM (although I'm skeptical of any reasonable product coming from that). -- tariqabjotu 01:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• • We already went through RM... The discussion ended with no consensus - therefore it shall stay at "Hercule (Dragon Ball)" WhisperToMe 01:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, User:Nemu started a new move request for the same move at Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball).

Unfortunately, it's not a good idea to try to request a new Move Request for the same failed move not long after it failed. WhisperToMe 02:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:DesireCampbell personally attacked me at Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball) - I don't feel insulted, but, at the same time, we need things to remain civil. WhisperToMe 03:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I am watching this RM now and reminded Desire, and the others, to remain civil during the discussion. User:Zscout370 04:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I closed the move request, due to the blatantly obvious vote stacking (see my closing statement). -- tariqabjotu 16:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Street Scholar

Street Scholar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

This user was blocked for a week for making racial attacks. The complaint was lodged here

.He has been doing this sort of thing for months (diffs below are from user responses at ANI) There were a lot of other problems with him using hate sites for citing information and making derogatory statements against Hindus . He got blocked for a week for doing this. Now he's back. He just made several tendentious edits, which I shall list below:

1. Persistent racist edits (against Bengalis) , instantly reverted by other users
2. Vandalistic removal of sourced edits to push an agenda
3. Makes incivil comments against me

This sort of behavior is counterproductive and interferes with the work of many users, who have to try to fix his tendentious contributions. Hkelkar 01:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm tempted to block over this edit alone. Accusing Paul Barlow of vandalism is ridiculous. El_C 09:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism

Some anti-Hindu propaganda links by mischievous non-Hindus were included in the article Hinduism. The same were removed and strong support of all editors recd. These links found it's place on talk page which is nothing but subversive way of forcing viewers to view these idiotic links. Abecedare is trying to have it in subversive way by citing vague Misplaced Pages policy. Admins knowledgable of Hinduism must intervene to remove these links from talk page and cite proper policy. swadhyayee 01:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

"Mischievous non-Hindus" ? El_C 09:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a word with swadhyayee regarding his mis-worded complaint above. He's new and a bit confused, but he's a good guy and makes a valid claim. Some anons have been editing tendentiously there .Hkelkar 23:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks HKelkar, I was and am short of words to express the nefarious activities of some anonymous editor and Abecedare's striving to support the nefarious activities. I have not grieved against the link you provided. I have objections against inclusion of some external links suggesting that Hinduism has it's roots in christainity or like things. While, I said non-Hindu editors, I meant the mischievous elements of other religion who try to downplay Hinduism and promote one's religion. No sane policy can support such nefarious activities. I fail to understand when everyone involved with Hinduism find it appropriate to remove the un-realiable links, why someone should be interested to have the same on talk pages? My earnest appeal to all here is help in preventing nefarious activities in the name of Misplaced Pages policy. swadhyayee 04:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits by 69.118.184.115

69.118.184.115 (talk · contribs) has made numerous edits related to the TV series Degrassi: The Next Generation. Some of it was obvious vandalism, which I have reverted. The rest I'm not sure since I really don't know much about the series. Appreciate if someone can look into his edits. --snowolfD4 01:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked Zen sock

I have indefinitely blocked User:Zen Apprentice as a puppet of the banned User:Zen-master. Tom Harrison 03:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, good call. -Will Beback · † · 09:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Something smells wolfie...part 2

Unarchiving this thread for further comment. User:Bishonen

I couldn't help but notice while lurking from time to time that User:Snow Shoes (contributions) seems to be an obvious sock puppet of User:Thewolfstar. She is, however, acting a bit more clever. Moreover, what seems obvious to me might not be to the next person, and everybody deserves an initial benefit of the doubt. I'd just like to suggest that an admin familiar with this issue should keep an eye out. --AaronS 05:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Obviously a sock of somebody, but if it's the wolfster, she's gotten a lot cleverer. I'll keep an eye out. Bishonen | talk 23:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC).

• I have now gone through the edits in detail, and Snow Shoes has after first lying somewhat low circled into a highly characteristic User:Thewolfstar type of editing. I won't specify here, as I don't want to teach her, but I have indefblocked as obvious wolfie sock. Thanks, AaronS. Bishonen | talk 05:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC).

User:srkris

• contributions) has unreasonably left vandalism messages on my usertalk page even after there was agreement on the http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Carnatic_music to delete such content. Further, he has suggested that I am a puppet of User:A4ay on the same page for A4ay's agreement with me, and so reverted back to his old changes on the Carnatic music page. In this process, I believe I have been defamed as per http://en.wikipedia.org/WP:LIBEL . Ncmvocalist 06:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Ncmvocalist (above) is removing content from Carnatic music without holding any discussions and against repeated requests. He has in the past blanked out Carnatic music related pages like this and this, and got warned by other editors. He has also removed pictures and content from Carnatic music a number of times as per his own admission - , , and reverted the page very often - , , .

He seems to have violated the Misplaced Pages:3RR between 24th and 26th November on Carnatic music article. I cautioned him about it, and placed the Template:Test1a on his page. User:A4ay does similar acts on the same page (removing images etc), who might be a sock puppet of User:Ncmvocalist. User:Ncmvocalist responds to me by placing a template warning on my page and saying that I defamed him. He says above that there was an agreement on Talk:Carnatic music to delete content from the article, which is false and absurd. And now, this report on Admin Noticeboard seems to be funny, if nothin else, since it should have been I who should have sought admin help against him. Since he and User:A4ay have been doing extensive edit warring and destructive edits violating Misplaced Pages:3RR, hope they are warned suitably to participate in a constructive manner. ­ ॐ Kris (☎ talk | contribs) 08:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to Assume good faith in Srkris, however, his constant disrespect seems to signal that he is not at all innocent. I hope he is warned to not only participate in a constructive, NEUTRAL manner, but about his overt disrespect towards other Wikipedians (evidenced above from the humour he finds in something obviously quite serious, as well as when he rolls on the floor laughing ("ROFTL") and "Haha" in .) His attitude needs to change.

Srkris' version of the facts are somewhat distorted compared to what actually happened - it seems he is not innocent. There is no absurdity or falseness. There was indeed agreement in deleting images of Modern artists in the article Carnatic music, as is evidenced in Talk:Carnatic music - it was agreed that the images would be deleted until the issue was resolved - the issue of WP:NPOV with why some modern artists pictures were on the article rather than others, and whether such images are appropriate in an article that does NOT focus on modern artists). Instead of signalling his disagreement, or respecting the wishes of another WP:Wikipedian to let this issue be resolved by discussion before reverting, he chose to revert AGAIN ] to the version with images in question, and ONLY after this, does he bother placing warnings on my page and the Carnatic music page concerning WP:3RR. He then puts a warning regarding vandalism too. He then has the audacity to claim I am dictating views on others, when he seems to be guilty of the same.

His latest reply in Talk:Carnatic music is further evidence. He misleadingly states that all I do is "undo other's painstaking work" - this is both disrespectful, unreasonable and defamatory. He suggests I haven't tried writing an article on Misplaced Pages from scratch before, and also explicitly states that the only reason the reverts have continued was because I think "The article doesnt need images other than what I upload" - which is untrue, regarding the latest edits and reverts, as can be seen in . His defamation didn't stop after the first warning, nor did his assumption of bad faith, after my first warnings. His failure to assume good faith in dealing with other editors is a serious issue.

He seems to have violated WP:NPA on several occasions, notably and openly when requesting intervention WP:PAIN against another member. He has blatantly insulted their behaviour, when he needs to have a look at his own from a neutral point of view.

I hope the administration will warn him about his behaviour so that it will improve in due course, without interfering with his and others contributions to Misplaced Pages.

Ncmvocalist 15:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please use dispute resolution. Also, this is difficult to follow. My advice: only wikify each specific item once and aim at a concise account. El_C 17:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

srkris is a constructive editor, and placing bogus warnings on talk pages is meaningless.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Bakasuprman, both for your faith in me and your support. I hope Ncmvocalist has more constructive work to do. ­ ॐ Kris (☎ talk | contribs) 13:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The defwarn templates are ridiculous. They look ugly on Kris' page. I request an admin to remove it. Sarvagnya 18:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

64.107.1.251, etc.

• 64.107.1.251 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.220.170 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.2.2 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.1.197 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.2.130 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.2.65 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 64.107.220.118 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 66.99.1.4 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
• 66.99.3.7 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

User uses same grammar/mistakes in comments on history page of Hollywoodland for their duplicate changes, replies to posts directed at one IP as if they are that IP (64.107.1.251 answering my response to a post made by 64.107.220.170 in the Hollywoodland discussion page --see subsection "Hollywoodland"--) and makes threats/insults to others who disagree with them: "also I suggest you keep your hands off good links," and "you support each other, like cops and donuts ," etc.Gnrlotto 07:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I get a little help-help?Gnrlotto 06:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Simonapro

This user just threatened User:Chondrite . An admin might take these other edits into account as well and , SqueakBox 07:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked indef. Threats are absolutely not OK, regardless of previous history. Naconkantari 07:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Jckerr

In addition to regular vandalism, Jckerr (talk · contribs) inserted this edit, which is a libelous statement referring to a person related to the NHL. No talk messages at this point. –Outriggr § 08:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

See WP:AIV for these type of cases. El_C 09:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mactabbed (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Cause for concern? This editor has been repeatedly uploading fair use images and replacing free Commons images with the fair use images he's uploaded. From looking at the history of this user's talk page and following his interactions with other users it seems that he's been warned on a number of occasions about not doing that and yet he appears (warning: not work safe) to be continuing to do so (<-- swapping an image on the article Buttocks here) nevertheless. I became aware of this user due to his usage of a revert tool to revert over a wide swath of other editor's good faith contributions on the Michael Richards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. From looking at this user's contributions it appears that he has a habit of using a revert tool in this manner. I warned him about not doing that whereupon he used his tool to revert my warning (and I reverted back with the ole' archive explanation). After my warning he then utilized his tool to revert to a vandalized version of the article. I reverted the vandalism out just before (and warned the vandal) and re-reverted the vandalism out whereupon he reverted in original research (never cited - note the edit summary as well) into the article. I think this editor's contributions and behavior could use some additional scrutiny from an adminstrator or two. Thanks. (→Netscott) 04:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You must have gone to some lengths digging up every minor violation I have made. It looks like you're accomplishing a lot by researching and discovering that I accidentally reverted one of your edits. Also, don't be a stalker, and don't rule whore. Mactabbed 04:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Given that this user's first edit was to install popups I'm thinking that we've got a sockpuppet that is being used disruptively counter to sock policy (particularly given the above cites -which are normally known by someone with a bit more experience that this user-). Wasn't there a user named Courtney Atkins (or something like that) who was banned? I ask that because this user's edits evoke that image. (→Netscott) 05:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Look closely. Here, he replaced "men" with "niggers". I can say this is not acceptable behaviour. pschemp | talk 05:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Well given the uncivil (CIV) usage of the phrase "rule whore" above... I suppose that shouldn't be too surprising. (→Netscott) 05:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that female buttocks picture is copyvio and I've seen it before. Wasn't it deleted here in some incarnation? The heavy pixellation suggests he didn't really take it, only learned what lisence to use to get around copyvio photos being deleted. I blocked for 24 hours for incivility and racial slurs. pschemp | talk 05:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing about that image... occam's razor says that would be the case given this user's history of image "fair usage". I suspect we'll be hearing more about this editor. Hopefully someone will recognize him as a sock and we can run a check user to see who we're working with here. Well done on the block pschemp. (→Netscott) 05:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully someone will recognize that image. I swear we deleted it once already under a different name. pschemp | talk 05:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Here it is, total copyvio from flickr . It was already removed from that page once and deleted. Extending block. pschemp | talk 05:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I bumped into Mactabbed early in his editing here with his edits to the Alexis Malone and Courtney Simpson articles. You can see a summary of what occurred between the two of us in my post to the Village pump. So his allegations about stalking and wikilawyering were made against me first, and I have to be honest, Mactabbed is definately not on my friend list. I think Netscott is accurate in that Mactabbed is someone who has a good deal of experience with Misplaced Pages, given how quick he was to throw around the charge of Wikilawyering. Tabercil 05:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

He's more than likely a sock of a banned editor. Possibly the one that put that copyvio image in to begin with. pschemp | talk 05:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

So you found the source of that image and determined that he lied about taking it himself. I'm thinking that an indef. is in order here. (→Netscott) 05:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I gave him a week, but what do others think? He's pretty obviously up to no good. If someone wants to extend, go ahead.pschemp | talk 06:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest an indef. because this user is knowingly putting the project in jeapordy with the copyvio images (and who knows what else?). This person if they come back is just going to continue to be a problem. (→Netscott) 06:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and if he does come back, he'll be easy to keep an eye on. We'll see. pschemp | talk 06:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason not to indef. Behaviours alone warrant it. The CU would be interesting, but not necessary. ++Lar: t/c 11:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Exclusive bad apple (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

• I think Mactabbed has returned. There's a new user - User:Exclusive bad apple - who has made identical edits to Mactabbed on the Courtney Simpson and Mudhoney articles. Identical first action as well - install popups. Tabercil 09:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• Having compared this user's edits to Mactabbed's edits there is no doubt that this is the same edit-warring/disruptive individual as the currently blocked for a week User:Mactabbed. This additional sock plus the original sock should be indef. blocked. (→Netscott) 09:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• The history of the Mudhoney article is particularly indicative. (→Netscott) 10:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• The "Mac" in Mactabbed is likely a reference to Apple's Macintosh ergo "bad Apple". (→Netscott) 10:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Indef'd as sock puppet. pschemp | talk 16:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate blocks by User:PMA

In the course of looking through Category:Requests for unblock, I've seen two instances within two weeks of what I think were rather blatantly inappropriate blocks by admin PMA (talk · contribs). Today, he blocked Elsmlie (talk · contribs) for 36 hours for "POV edits, article degradation", based on a total of five edits by Elsmie made since 20 November, all evidently made in good faith, with which PMA happened to disagree. Not only is this an abuse of blocking policy by penalising editing in a good-faith and entirely undisruptive minor content dispute, but in addition it's also a blatant case of using admin weapons against an opponent in a dispute the admin is involved in. For all I can see, no other editors were involved in the dispute at all; there was no prior warning or even discussion, nothing.

Given these rather extraordinary circumstances, I've unblocked without further consultation with PMA (but notified him, of course). I invite further review of the case by other admins. I must say that, looking into PMA's prior admin log, I can see a couple more cases of what seem at first sight to be rather questionable blocks, so I'm considering whether an admin RfC would be in order. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Assuming there's nothing more to it than those edits, I endorse unblocking. I can't see any justification for the block. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 12:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Like User:Jtdirl i feel i have been penalised by a small band for fighting POV warriors and cranks. I have been here for many years and experience has given me perhaps a "second sight" for potential problems. I admit my judgement is not always perfect - having an autistic disorder like Asperger's does that - Adam Carr acknowledged this some months ago when he and I were fighting POV warriors at Cuba-related articles - http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:BruceHallman&diff=49461797&oldid=49459999 - but i should not be persecuted for trying to do the right thing - in addition it seems that i am being wiki-watched by Future Perfect at Sunrise which i do not like and feel is unjustified.

PMA 13:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Just for the record, I wasn't watching you, I was routinely patrolling the requests-for-unblock category. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Generally, it's unwise for an admin to block a POV warrior that they've been actively fighting. It's better to report them and let someone else block them. --Tango 13:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In this instance, it wasn't even a POV warrior to begin with. PMA had changed something in the article, and the other guy had reverted it - once. And I can't see how this person should be related to a "small band of fighting POV warriors" either - he seemed to have no previous history of clashes with him PMA. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

What is up with these questionable blocks (of leftists?) on the part of PMA? El_C 17:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

PMA, this isn't about penalising or persecuting you for trying to do the right thing. It's about your use of the block tool in a way that seems manifestly inappropriate. I've noticed before that when you're challenged about admin actions, you cite your service time, however, I feel that service time should give you a greater understanding of policy and community expectations for blocks. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Acting on the belief that Police one another is a necessary collolary of Defend one another, I have opened an RFC against PMA here. Thatcher131 01:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

He has been voluntarily de-sysopped. Issue closed. Thatcher131 12:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Is mentioning Occam's Razor a threat?

Admin User:MONGO just threatened to block User:SalvNaut indefinitely for playfully suggesting that User:Tbeatty misuse use of the logical principle Occam's razor may "cut something important." Mongo left a note on SalvNaut's talk page warning against "suggesting bodily harm" and that he will block SalvNaut indefinitely." . Can someone have a word with Mongo about this? He either doesn't understand what Occam's Rasor is or he has seriously lost perspective. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 14:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin Seabhcan was blocked for making a personal attack on an editor just yesterday..so his perspective regarding personal attacks is somewhat askew is seems. Your perception that SalvNaut was being "playful" is a matter of perspective. Tbeatty said that Occum's Razor applies and SalvNaut's full comment about Occam's Razor was " Be careful with razors, you can cut something important." which I see as an implied hope of physical harm. In addition to that, SalvNaut also had to cross out a comment where he called Tbeatty a liar as shown in that diff.--MONGO 14:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, your own block record isn't a pretty sight either, so I'm surprised you raised that issue. Comments which are "a matter of perspective" are not crimes worthy of an indefinite. I suggest you are using your admin powers to bully SalvNaut. You have been in a content dispute with him for quite a while. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 14:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean the wrongful block for 3RR which was retracted? Or the block for 15 minutes by now departed Kelly Martin which she even admitted was a poor thing for her to do. I now see you have also decided to call my efforts to keep people from posting comments that suggest bodily harm as "idiotic"...just more food for the record I guess. Perhaps the threat of an infe block is a bit much, but we routinely do block those who make a death threat and I prefer to go firm rather than be passive agressive...I'll rephrase it.--MONGO 15:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That comment about being careful with razors is a pun, a play on words. We indefinitely block people for puns these days? --Tango 15:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The "pun" is a matter of perspective...that talk page is always heated, so it's unlikely that editors who always dispute each other there have much concern for one another...also, the threat wasn't about Occams Razor as the heading of this shows, itr was about the comment made by SalvNaut...that is the issue. If you don't know all the facts, then stay out of the argument.--MONGO 15:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you seriously think he was suggesting any kind of violence with that comment? It's a pun. There's no matter of perspective, it's just a simple pun. --Tango 15:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I see no threat in the edit at all. Occam's Razor is the well-known philosophical/scientific principle to prefer the most simple explanation consistent with the facts. I see the suggestion that it might "cut something important" is a witty way to warn against miss-application, not a threat with bodily harm. Occam's Razor cuts crap, not meat. Also, may I suggest that all involved keep WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, and in particular WP:COOL in mind? Thanks! --Stephan Schulz 15:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The article talkpage is always heated, so comments where one is incivil suggesting that they are even indirectly suggesting physical harm are at the very leats incivil. SlavNaut also struck out his previous comment to Tbeatty where he had called him a liar. Why don't both or either of you watchlist the talkpage for a few days and as neutral parties, ensure civility is maintained.--MONGO 15:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, I think you should admit that you are an active participant in that talk page discussion and at least partly responsible for some of that `heat'. It is improper to threaten your admin powers to gain the upper hand in a content dispute.... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, your alteration to this new username you are using is an obvious pun on Osama bin laden. It borders on a WP:POINT violation.--MONGO 15:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me Mongo, it isn't. `al' means `the' and `bin' means `son of'. Its actually a tip of the hat to Ibin Battuta, who I'm read and enjoying at the moment. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, "If you don't know all the facts, then stay out of the argument" - don't WP:BITE people commenting on the case. As for SalvNaut and saying "it's unlikely that editors who always dispute each other there have much concern for one another" - that sounds like a monumental failure to Assume Good Faith. Most worrying is that you are very far from being a dispassionate observer of the SalvNaut-Tbeaty conversation. You are deeply involved in a long running content dispute against SalvNaut and for Tbeatty. It looks like you are threatening your admin powers in order to win that arguement. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean as in cited here... whrre you protected a page and then edited it?--MONGO 15:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter what other people do, and besides, protecting an article to get your version in is considerably better than blocking someone frivolously. -Amarkov _edits 15:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

SeabHcan shouldn't throw stones, is the point. "protecting an article to get your version in is considerably better than blocking someone frivolously"....I'll remember that line when you decide to become an admin...it is not a friviolous block if someone is being repeatedly incivil...as clearly demonstrated...first calling the guy a liar, which he struck out and then in the same edit, added the comment about the razor, which had nothing to do with the argument.--MONGO 15:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, you do know that Occam's Razer isn't an actual razor blade, right? ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, User:Seabhcan's previous record is irrelevant for this dispute. He is just the messenger. As I see it from the history, User:SalvNaut made a point in the discussion and called the opposing view by User:Tbeatty "lies". This was arguably incivil, and Tbeatty called him on it (and made a counter-point, invoking Occam's Razor). SalvNaut then struck out the "lie" part and replaced it with a more neutral phrase. He also took up the Occam's Razor term and warned against blind application. I see no reason for your warning at all. --Stephan Schulz 16:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Mongo has again threatened SalvNaut with a block but seems to have changed his mind about the 'indefinite' part. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 15:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Mongo has now warned User:Tango ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 16:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Even if Occum's razor were a real razor (and it's clearly not), I cannot possibly comprehend how that statement could be perceived as a threat. I'm sure you've been told at some point in your life not to run with scissors because you might cut yourself. Is that a threat??? No! -- tariqabjotu 16:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That's a matter of perspective. The perspective is that that talk page is full of heated comments, so under the cuff commentary between two editors in constant dispute that alludes to anything suggesting physical harm is something to take note of. As shown, the previous comment was stuck out.--MONGO 17:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there anyone else with this perspective? Should you really be threatening to block a user you are having a content dispute with in such a debatable case? Wouldn't a polite warning or request for clarification be enough?... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 17:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps, but then again, this is an issue of civility in which an editor has alluded to personal harm. I may very well be the ONLY one who sees it that way. Thanks for the clarification and of course, no block has been issued or will be, at least, not by me.--MONGO 17:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

So you won't be blocking this user? Perhaps you will remove your threat to do so from the users talk page? An apology might also be propper.... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 17:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

wow. SchmuckyTheCat 17:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

A silly and somewhat inappropriate pun -- agree that it's something that SalvNaut should remember can be interpreted the wrong way, particularly on the talk pages of contentious topics. But MONGO, the indefinite block warning was a little over the top, don't you think? -- Samir धर्म 01:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Is mentioning Occam's Razor a threat? (cont.)

Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Seabhcan#Moved_from_ANI as suggestion by Tom. Travb (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:KenL

This user is repeatedly removing information or reverting back to a much earlier version on article GoldenEye. He also might have done this anonymously. He appears to be acting in bad faith after a removal of a section of the article he added (see the discussion on the talk page). I've asked him on 3 occasions to explain his edits but he just blanks his talk page and said at one point "Any messages either from Trebor or Mark83 or whatever his name is I will not read and I will automatically blank the page. So please do not waste your time." (referring to User:Mark83, who agreed with the removal of the section and has reverted User:KenL on occasions). I'm not sure what to do - his edits don't seem to qualify as pure vandalism, but the dispute resolution process can't really deal with editors who refuse to talk. If an admin could have a look and advise on/take appropriate action. Thanks. Trebor 14:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Block request for User:Bosniak

Please consider blocking Bosniak (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) for repeated, disruptive behaviour in defiance of warnings. This behaviour includes:

• repeatedly claiming that there is a Serbian conspiracy to remove Bosniak-related information from Misplaced Pages, and repeatedly accusing various editors of being part of this conspiracy (e.g., )
• repeatedly removing correct information from or inserting incorrect information into articles, and justifying this behaviour using a spurious linguistic argument (e.g., ). (For those who want a fuller explanation, User:Bosniak has coined the term "Bosniakophobia"; he insists it is a verifiable and notable term, even though he cannot provide any references to dictionaries or websites which use it. On the other hand, he claims that the well-established term "Serbophobia" is not an English word, and falsely claims that it is an invention of Serbs which is used only on Misplaced Pages. However, Serbophobia#External links and Serbophobia#References provide links to plenty of non-Misplaced Pages uses of the term.)
• disrupting Misplaced Pages to make a point by nominating Serbophobia for deletion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia (third nomination)) in retaliation for someone having nominated one of his articles for deletion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bosniakophobia)
• AfD vote tampering through changing four other users' votes from "Keep" to "Delete"
• AfD vote tampering through voting multiple times (see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia (third nomination))
• repeatedly inserted unsourced material to articles after editors have insisted that he provide a citation
• removing AfD tags
• removing speedy deletion tags
• reposting disputed merge tags
• various POV edits to various articles, including Anti-Bosniak sentiment, Srebrenica massacre, List of Bosniaks
• repeatedly uploading files (possibly the same image) without specifying source and copyright information (Image:Srebrenica Child Raped Hung.jpg, Image:Srebrenica Child Hung.jpg, Image:Bosnian girl raped by serbs.jpeg)

You can view the numerous warnings User:Bosniak has been given on his talk page. User:Bosniak has been previously blocked twice for personal attacks and legal threats. —Psychonaut 14:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Also note the somewhat uncivil post in reference to the tagging of an article for speedy deletion (previously created 2006-01-05) leading to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bosniakophobia and the multiple vote stacking there

User:Bosniak appears to be a nationalistic POV warrior. He has repeatedly made POV edits, attempted to disrupt WP with bad-faith AfD noms (see diffs provided by Psychonaut and altered (or deleted) other editor's comments. A block seems appropriate as an object lesson that this is not acceptable behavious since multiple warnings have been ignored. Also, this editor should be monitored for further violations. Doc Tropics 16:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If I'd seen it, I'd have just blocked him for at least a month for the vote tampering. That is so far from anything related to "good faith" that it's not even really worth discussing. --jpgordon 17:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, now that you've seen it here, why don't you go ahead and block him? —Psychonaut 17:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL, I was wondering, but didn't want to ask. Thanks P. FWIW, I think a one month block might be excessive, but I would strongly support an 8 day block; that would be 1 day for disruption and 1 week for vandalizing/altering and AfD in progress. That's just my take on the situation. Doc Tropics 18:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Because it's up here for discussion, and other people are looking at it, so I don't feel a need to act precipitously. My "at least a month" is being gentle, I think; an indefinite block, giving him room to justify why he should be allowed back at all, is more appropriate I think, but some would find it quite harsh; after all, he's only cheated, lied, and forged. --jpgordon 20:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't have hesitated to apply an 8 day block immediately (if I had a mop and bucket), but you're right jpgordon, a longer block could easily be justified, it just warrants some discussion. This appears to be a pattern of behaviour that is unlikely to change without some rather heavy-handed intervention. Perhaps a one month block, followed by community probation, and possibly a limited ban on contentious articles? This would represent the third "official" sanction (see his block log), and we could reasonably apply a three-strikes-you're-out rule. An immediate indef block would seem appropriate if there are further violations. Doc Tropics 21:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for one week for vote tampering.Geni 23:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violations

Since posting this report I've also discovered that this user has also been uploading images which he falsely claims to be the creator of, and/or falsely claims are in the public domain or are under a free license. ] In addition to the ones described in my original report, I've discovered three more images which are rather obviously not his (unless he's an AP photographer and somehow retains the right to relicense his photos), and a few more images are suspect but I haven't yet proved that they're copyright violations. Given his history of bad-faith copyright violations, would it be prudent to tag the rest of his images for speedy deletion? —Psychonaut 18:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

At the risk of adding to admin overload, I would suggest tagging them all at this point. It would simply be foolish to continue assuming good-faith when there is so much evidence to the contrary. Good work P. Doc Tropics 18:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

VaughanWatch Username Vio, Block evading

PM Chef (talk · contribs) is a clear username violation, it's VaughanWatch/Johnny Canuck trying to impersonate me using me old username. Indef block please? -- Chabuk 17:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Serial WP:POINT violations on my talk page

I'm involved in a content dispute with vintagekits (talk · contribs) (see discussion at ) which has spilled over onto my talk page. I gave them a polite warning for canvassing due to this edit. Now they have added an entirely spurious canvassing warning to my own talk page (actual edit they're referring to is a {{prodwarning}} template) and are edit-warring to keep it there . This also happened yesterday when I put a civil0 and civil1 tag on their page after these uncivil edits — they placed the exact same tags on my own talk page and edit-warred to keep them there.

This is starting to come close to harrassment, so can an administrator have a quick word and tell them to knock it off? Thanks! Demiurge 17:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I actually would like you to knock it off, you are never off my talk page, you are just bitter because people dont agree with you on every issue Vintagekits 17:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This is total bull, you come on my talk page accusing me of things that you have been doing also. A case of the pot calling the kettle black imo Vintagekits 17:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Him doing bad things doesn't mean you're allowed to. -Amarkov _edits 17:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are say but the guy follows me around on every page I edit and make all sorts of accusations when infact the verse is true. I would be more than happy to stay off his talk page as long as them same is done for me. That editor seems to be winding up editors daily, its just my turn today! Vintagekits 17:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, wow, you're right. I encourage any admins, before taking actions, to carefully review both talk pages' edit histories. -Amarkov _edits 18:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Clarification. I in no way meant to indicate that he did anything largely objectionable. Nobody did, and I don't see why this needs administrator attention. -Amarkov _edits 23:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Amarkov Vintagekits 18:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to review my edits to User_talk:Vintagekits. The civility warnings I added (in good faith, I might add) were blanked; I reverted them back once then decided not to revert again after they were blanked again. I then asked Vintagekits to stop breaking WP:POINT on my own talk page. Demiurge 18:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I looked into this, and then looked a little bit more. It appears to be a case of malicious nit-picking on all sides. Recommend sending both editors to bed wihout dinner, and no dessert for a week. Doc Tropics 18:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

But I'm hungry - anyway I am off line for a bit now so hope it is sorted out soon Vintagekits 18:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• So exactly what nits have I picked? Are you disputing that the edits were uncivil and thus didn't warrant the civility warning I gave? Are you saying that are not canvassing? Are you saying that the prodwarning tag is inappropriate canvassing? I have to say, as a good faith user I'm pretty disappointed with the reponse I'm getting from the admins on this. Demiurge 18:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: I'm not actually an admin, I'm just trying to suggest (with a bit of gentle humor) that the best way to handle this situation would be to step back and take a breather. So far, no one has committed a violation worth issuing a block; the best way to avoid escalating the situation would be to edit elsewhere for a while before returning to contentious areas; consider it a kind or "working wikibreak". Doc Tropics 19:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• I don't even want anyone to be blocked! What I actually requested (see above) was for someone independent in a position of authority to have a quiet word with Vintagekits and tell him to quit it with the WP:POINT and WP:CIVIL violations. I've tried resolving this with him on my own by leaving messages on his talk page (first step recommended by Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes); you can see above how well that turned out. Demiurge 19:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as 'someone in authority' on the site (other than ArbCom and the Foundation staff I suppose, but they are not used for this kinda thing). Everyone is equal - some just have extra mopping up abilities. As Doc Tropics says, the pair of you should just take a step back and calm down (try and think about this as if it were real-life. Would you continue to argue until it ended up as a punchout and then being arrested? Or would you break it up and walk away?). Looking at both talk pages I see both users being uncivil to one another - the only thing that will come from persuing this is blocks on both parties, as far as I can see.-Localzuk 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the guy needs to chill out, he seems to think that all his edits are to be taken as law. I will take a week out before even looking at any of his articles. p.s. thank you for the advice Vintagekits 00:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• So what would you suggest as the appropriate response to someone who is blatantly uncivil to you, then edit wars to remove your civility warning tag from their talk page while simultaneously edit warring to put the exact same tag on your own talk page? I can't go to WP:PAIN, because they require a npa3 tag which if I put it on his talk page will trigger another edit war. I don't believe I have been uncivil myself (certainly nothing on the scale of or ), can you be more specific? (In response to your analogy, I'd call over the bouncer and tell him "hey, that guy over there is being rude to me, could you tell him to give it a rest please?" which is exactly what I'm doing here.) Demiurge 23:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I would say that Incorrect, someone needs to pull your reins in - you need to check your attitude and how you deal with and handle other editors - it in no wonder you attract so more trouble and vandals! is uncivil to the same level as you state there. I would also point out that removal of warnings on a users talk page is not against policy but can be seen as indication of problems. Also, an edit war requires 2 parties or more to be a war - which indicates that you also edit warred.

As you say above, you should have put an npa3 warning on the page and seen where it went from there - if he removed it, so be it - that in itself is not a 'crime'. If he continued with incivility you could then have taken in to WP:PAIN.

So, as far as I can see - the situation spiralled out of control due to both parties taking things personally - take some time apart, don't interact and the problem will fade as far as I can see.

Also, my analogy above doesn't mention anywhere with bouncers... The arrests would be the equivelant of being blocked. We don't have bouncers here as I said.-Localzuk 00:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

"'Incorrect, someone needs to pull your reins in..." is not my comment, it's another example of incivility by Vintagekits. See . Also note that Vintagekits continued incivility above at . I'll stay away from his talk page and keep the npa3->WP:PAIN advice in mind if there are more problems, although I was more worried about him edit-warring to add it to my talk page than remiving it from his own talk. Demiurge 00:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Jesus, D give it a rest for a bit - let back off each other. My last word on it for a bit Vintagekits 01:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Ah, indeed it wasn't, my apologies. Ok, I will adjust my advice then - Vintagekits, stop being uncivil and adding warnings, incorrectly, to Demiurge's talk page - it will get you blocked if it continues. Although, I will stick to the 'avoid each other' advice though, as I have seen it solve many a problem on the site as it gives editors time to calm down and do something else.-Localzuk 01:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, that's all I was looking for. Demiurge 01:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Hazzard

Please see edits to Johnny Hazzard: , , , , and , as well as , Talk:Johnny Hazzard and User talk:Chidom#Warning threats. User:Wjhonson insists on reinserting an unreferenced claim regarding this pornography actor's real name, even after the extensive quote on the topic I left on the article's talk page.—Chidom   19:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I reverted the unsourced material, explained on the talkpage, and will continue to monitor. Doc Tropics 20:52, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I hope the message gets through.—Chidom   06:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Tannim

I have permanently blocked Tannim (talk · contribs). He has been blocked several times, and on November 10 blocked for one month for repeated edit warring and insertions of POV edits. I had no dealings with him up to the point where he repeatedly wrote anti-admin screeds to the unblock-en list. When I finally replied to him that his block seemed appropriate, he replied to me, As the administrators seem to be given favored status and are allowed to abuse editors and their rights even though Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a free editing source, I will do as I see fit.. For that reason, I have blocked him indefinitely, until such a time as he indicates his willingness to edit as per Misplaced Pages norms. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. Also, his username is too close to that of User:Tannin's. Khoikhoi 21:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a strong hunch that Preform (talk · contribs · logs) is user Tannim and is editing again, immediately defying his block.--Zleitzen 22:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Given the repeated abuse of the unblock list by this user I support a permanent block for this user and any identified socks. ++Lar: t/c 01:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. His posts to unblock-en-l gave me a strong feeling that we won't be able to work with him, even if we want to. Luna Santin 02:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Miracleimpulse, Talk:American Greetings, and Sweetest Day

Miracleimpulse (talk · contribs) has previously been cautioned and blocked (by three different admins) for disruptive activity with regard to the U.S. greeting card industry, including POV edits to the Sweetest Day article (formerly the subject of a mediation) and more recently, allegations concerning the relationship, if any, between the two largest U.S. greeting card companies, Hallmark Cards and American Greetings. This user is operating as a single purpose account with regard to criticism of the greeting card industry and appears to have some sort of personal stake in the outcome of the controversy. He has continued to press this issue on Talk:American Greetings to the point I am concerned he may be defaming these companies. Could someone please take a look at this. Newyorkbrad 21:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Single purpose account nothing, this looks like the makings of a community ban. He's obviously exhausted several editors patience (I remember going onto the commons to find a way to delete his idiotic Sweetest Day rant that he puts into the article, itself). He has done no constructive editting, and he is defaming the companies, claiming that they are one in the same and that they have a stake in Misplaced Pages's articles on them.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I had a long chat with this user off-wiki about a month ago, but apparently, it did little to no good; his abusive, paranoid, and all-around disruptive behavior has not abated. --InShaneee 23:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• It is very interesting that these posts have been made here without any notification to me whatsoever. Once again, the Hallmark Cards and American Greetings articles remain completely unsourced. The Sweetest Day article uses extremely dubious advertising websites as sources. Miracleimpulse 00:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:American Greetings will reflect that I made several attempts to discuss these issues with the user before bring the matter to the noticeboard. Whether the articles (which I have not written a word of) are optimally sourced is irrelevant to the issue of whether unsupported allegations should repeatedly be made that one of these two companies is a subsidiary of the other or that they are engaged in a conspiracy of some kind, especially throwing around words such as "mafia" and "cartel." Newyorkbrad 00:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• I personally am not particularly concerned with defamation of these companies (I'm not sure anything Miracleimpulse has said could reasonably be construed as defamation, it's all in the talkspace, and besides, Misplaced Pages has no culpability for what he says) but my own experience with Miracleimpulse has been that his edits are a fairly textbook case of Tendentious editing that several editors have spent an inordinate amount of time dealing with. A user RfC may be in order here.--Isotope23 02:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting that fear the project would have legal liability is the reason this is a problem. It's inappropriate to make untrue or unsupported negative statements about a person or a company irrespective of that. In this instance, I'm not sure that a user RfC would be productive after the user has learned nothing from three progressively longer blocks, but Isotope23 has been dealing with this situation longer than I have. Newyorkbrad 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

After reviewing the situation (Nilfanion and I have encountered this user before on Wikimedia Commons), I think that a RfC would be useless, especially given the user's persistence. It's clear from the contribs that he is a single purpose account - he has almost no edits on articles unrelated to Sweetest Day, and has a history of accusing users of being part of a conspiracy and WP:POINT assertions. The extra incivility does not help, either. A community topic ban or a long-term block would probably be appropriate here. --Coredesat 03:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Something very highly deceptive is happening on these Misplaced Pages pages. Misplaced Pages is being used for promotional purposes on the Sweetest Day page. Information about the origins and the promotion of Sweetest Day is being managed and blocked by various editors. My edits are being construed as "idiotic paranoid rants" on this page, and yet these statements are not being seen as a personal attack. Amazingly POV. Yes, something is seriously wrong at Misplaced Pages, and Misplaced Pages management should take a very close look at what is happening here and on the pages in question. Miracleimpulse 03:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

  No. They are just articles on two companies. The Coca-Cola Company and PepsiCo both have pages, but you don't seem to have any complaint about them.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The Coca-Cola Company and PepsiCo both have pages which list their references. The Cola wars are also pretty well documented. No such competition between Hallmark Cards and American Greetings. Nope. More like Anti-competitive practices in the Greeting Card Industry. Give me a day or so and I will report back on exactly what that article in The New York Times says...unless of course someone out there already knows. Miracleimpulse 05:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know (I know nothing about the greeting card industry), but I just checked. According to the article, the Federal Trade Commission apparently complained that American Greetings and two other companies (not Hallmark) were engaged in price-fixing activities (nature not specified). Um, in 1952. Quick follow-up research indicates that this complaint resulted in on-again, off-again litigation between the FTC and American Greetings for several years (citations available). It's even conceivable that this dispute deserves a sentence or two in the American Greetings article, if someone looked up exactly what was alleged and the result of the litigation, although this would be appropriate only if the entire history of the company section were expanded so that this anicnet issue is not given undue weight. However, what this episode in the 1950's has to do with alleged conspiracy between American Greetings and Hallmark in 2006 remains beyond me. Newyorkbrad 06:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Yep, something is definitely very wrong at Misplaced Pages. The level of sophisticated attack here is astounding. I have made no edits to any of the pages in question in weeks, and yet it is being suggested that I be banned from editing. I guess some subjects are just off limits on talk pages. Hmmm... Miracleimpulse 03:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

You do realize that original research is not allowed, and to continually bring them up when there is no verifiable proof for such allegations irks many editors, no? And I find it equally astounding (not!) that you are hiding yourself from the fact that there is consensus against your current actions and instead scapegoating a nonexistent conspiracy/"cabal" among editors hellbent on persecuting you, allegations that are frivolous, if not outright absurd. Perhaps you should view your own edits and read some of our policies (WP:NPOV, WP:OR, and WP:V come to mind) and start following them instead of complaining about nonexistent phenomena. --physicq (c) 03:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please don't feed the trolls, especially with delicious Valentine's Day candy from Hallmark stores. ^_^ Danny Lilithborne 03:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Don't we usually have someone go through the motions on a RfC on these things? Georgewilliamherbert 06:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There was an article RfC (not a user conduct RfC) on the suggestion to merge the Hallmark and American Greetings articles on the now-abandoned suggestion that American Greetings was a "public subsidiary" of Hallmark. This was dropped when no one commented beyond the people already on the talk page. There hasn't been a user-conduct RfC though there have been three blocks. Newyorkbrad 06:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Three blocks without a RFC isn't an issue; the discussion of a community ban, without a user conduct RFC, seems like missing a beat. I agree there's a problem, but can we dot the i and cross the t? Georgewilliamherbert 06:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not advocating a full-fledged community ban at this point. If the community sanctions proposal is in effect, this could be a perfect case for a narrowly tailored article or topic ban. As for RfC, I can imagine several purposes for holding these: (i) to gather facts as to a given user's conduct; (ii) to ascertain community sentiment as to the merits of the user's contributions; and/or (iii) to educate the user as to the fact that consensus is against him or her. Which of these, if any, would be served here? Newyorkbrad 06:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

That is exactly why I suggested that a RFC would be useless, because months of talk page discussions between him and other editors, as well as the contributions themselves, seem to shine a bright enough light on the problem. However, I didn't think about the possibility of a narrower topic ban when I commented earlier earlier, so perhaps that would be a better solution unless a RFC or ArbCom case were to be opened instead. --Coredesat 07:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, a community ban would be majorly excessive at this point.--Isotope23 14:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• The merits of my contributions to Misplaced Pages speak for themselves: Virtually every image published in the Sweetest Day article was supplied by me. Most have been blocked by editors who never edited the Sweetest Day page before I showed up to introduce the facts. Also, virtually every reference in the article which is not an advertising website was introduced by me. Gosh, I should be banned immediately. Miracleimpulse 07:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• We've been over the image galleries numerous times on the talk pages. Most of the images are of auxillary interest and should be collected in a Wikicommons gallery with a link in the article. The sources you've brought to light have been valuable and added an aspect to the article that was missing from it before. However, in my opinion this has been tempered by your editing style and your refusal to adhere to (or perhaps misunderstanding of) WP:NPOV & WP:NOR (and to a lesser extent WP:V in relation to claims made on talk pages) as well as your unfounded insistence there is some sort of cabal here working against you. Your usage of article talk pages to sometime go into tertiary topic conversations that have no bearing on the article doesn't help the situation.--Isotope23 14:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Indefinitely blocked user editing

87.78.186.200 (talk · contribs) (otherwise known as Subversive element (talk · contribs), Tit for tat (talk · contribs), and Jan Jakea (talk · contribs) - all blocked indefinitely) is editing again. Could someone deal with this? Jakew 21:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You should probably briefly explain why you believe it's the same user. Newyorkbrad 21:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Please take a look here. Near the end of that section, 87.78.186.200 (talk · contribs) states "From the contribs I made with the Subversive_element account..." Jakew 22:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Diff for above quote here. Jakew 22:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP for 1 month Alex Bakharev 01:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Michael Richards

Suspected sockpuppetry and vandalism on Michael Richards. Tendancer, Geza, and Bus stop. Their edits, which remove mention of Richards' anti-Semitic comments against consensus, have been reverted by multiple users. They all post similar rants about "long-term" editors of Misplaced Pages refusing to listen to them. KazakhPol 22:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Obscene edit summaries

User:66.36.156.91: only 2 edits, but one with an obscene edit summary addressed to another user. Given the context, I believe I know who this is, and that it is a registerd user who has been threatened with a ban for this sort of thing before. I don't know the drill on this, but can we get a checkuser or something, in order to establish this? We really need to stop this, it's been creating a poisonous atmosphere on topics related to Romania and Moldova. - Jmabel | Talk 22:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem dealt with by KhoiKhoi. Patstuart 22:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem is not edalt by khoikhoi. It was swept inder the carpet. The real problem is that certain Romanian admins continue to communicate in wikipedia with banned users, thus reinforcing their desire to mess with other people. Until the feeding of pet trolls continues by Romanian wikipedians, especially by admins, these trolls will be getting an idea that they are valiantly struggling for their Romanian motherland against anti-Romanians. `'mikkanarxi 23:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You'll have to pardon my ignorance. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific? -Patstuart 04:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Mwai Kibaki personal and legal threats

I was looking for a legal threat I thought had been posted on the Talk:Mwai Kibaki page when I came across this other threat "Cherry WE HAVE OTHER MEANS OF DEALING WITH YOUR TYPES": Here's the legal action threat. Could someone look into this, it appears the first one is a sockpuppet (new word I've learned just for Misplaced Pages) of User:Patch77, or anon-IP used by Patch77, but my sock puppetry knowledge is nil--in other words, it's my guess.KP Botany 22:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The anonymous account is blocked for 48 hours for making legal threats. `'mikkanarxi 23:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I was a bit more concernd about the personal threat, though, and that user has not been blocked. I can't imagine a Misplaced Pages with a place for users who issue personal threats to each other. KP Botany 17:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Truthseeker 85.5 restarts personal attacks

A month ago, User:Truthseeker 85.5 was blocked for stalking, personal attacks and generally disruptive behaviour. The initial block of 3 days was extended to 1 month by User:Renata3. Today, the block finally expired.

The very first thing this user did was to go and insult Renata on her talk page by saying "Congratulations, your campaign for censorship got a strong head start."

He then proceeded to edit his user page by adding "This user has been censored 1 time" to it.

Finally, I got some of it too and was accused of "seconding insinuations and demands based on pure ideological or ethnic hate".

IM(NS)HO and given this users record, he may need a stern warning or something heavier, because 1 months later, one can not see any signs of improvements. -- Grafikm 22:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Khoikhoi blocked Truthseeker for 2 months.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:PalestineRemembered

As his name indicates, User:PalestineRemembered has joined Misplaced Pages for the purpose of advocating for a specific political position. This often becomes problematic in terms of the undue weight provisions of WP:NPOV, and in particular because of the WP:BLP, as he often writes about Israeli leaders (e.g. Benjamin Netanyahu) or those he views as Zionists (e.g. Alan Dershowitz) solely for the purpose of vilifying them. While this would be problematic enough, he seems completely unable to understand the concept of original research, no matter how many times the concept is explained; some examples include , , and He seems to have no compunction about replacing cited information from reliable sources with his own speculation and arguments, using dubious sources at best. In addition, his Talk: page comments are intemperate at best, and often highly uncivil; see, for example, , or the entire Talk:Flag of Israel page starting at Talk:Flag_of_Israel#Separation_of_Church_and_State. I am currently unaware of a single edit of his that has actually managed to stick in an article, though one or two might have slipped through, and most of his Talk: page comments consist of political rants. At this point I'm thinking a significant block of some sort would be in order, if only to give him time to read and understand WP:NOR and WP:BLP, though I despair that it will help. Any other suggestions? Jayjg 23:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Looking over his contributions, I'm hard pressed to find more than a couple that aren't dubious. He does appear to impervious to reason and policy, so an attention-getting block seems justified to me. FeloniousMonk 23:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This seems pretty justifiable to me. Hopefully now PR can understand how Misplaced Pages policy works, and he/she will be able to follow them. Khoikhoi 23:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I gave him a one month time out. I was leaning toward 2-3 weeks, but the WP:CIVIL violations pushed him over the top. FeloniousMonk 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I support the block. ←Humus sapiens 04:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I also support this. I've seen some bizarre edits that are pure OR, yet he doesn't seem to get it no matter how often it's explained. SlimVirgin 04:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's weird: I've seen some completely POV and OR comments from PR, but then I've seen some that are ridiculously the opposite and pro israel. I do agree, however, with Felonious Monk and SV that the majority of the edits are bizarre. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 16:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

WP POINT (Schools and notability)

Trying to assume good faith but this editor seems to be engaged in WP:POINT. - Unless someone wants to suggest this school does not have some level of notability? --Charlesknight 23:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Given that the speedy tags that have been placed are often "no reason given" I think this is indeed point making. Endorse a short block if the user will not listen to reason. All those speedies in his contrib history need undoing too I think. ++Lar: t/c 01:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• That's no pointmaking, that's blatant vandalism. Should still be blocked, though. - 131.211.210.17 08:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

AfD closure problem

The editor who opened Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Winter holiday season(2) now wants to close it as Keep. S(he) has twice added '(VOID)' to the AfD header and removed the AfD notice from the article page. While the AfD has a couple of days to run, it does indeed look like a unanimous Keep. As I've reverted this user twice now, I think an uninvolved admin needs to look at this and decide if the AfD can be closed as a 'speedy' Keep. -- Donald Albury 02:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I have always thought/seen that nominators could withdraw their AFD nominations if they believed that the nom had been a mistake. This one seems sort of clumsy, but is there a problem with closing it? Georgewilliamherbert 02:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

AfD closed as Keep. --physicq (c) 02:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. My mop is barely damp, and I was uneasy about closing the AfD early myself as I had commented on the article talk page about what to do with the article. -- Donald Albury 02:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There is SNOW 8-) Georgewilliamherbert 02:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

In general, I disagree with the notion that a nominator can unilaterally close an xFD discussion, since there may be others who support the nomination. I have no opinion on this particular case. User:Zoe|(talk) 18:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Page disruption on Juan Cole by User:Commodore Sloat

Hi, I would like someone to look at the recent history of the page and note csloat's continual page disruptions. At the moment, it hasn't got to 3RR, but it's frustrating to deal with an editor who incorrectly thinks his veto trumps the consensus on what is, or isn't to be included, and engages in ad nauseum arguments on talk which will only result in incivility and further frustration. << armon >> 05:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ad nauseum comments on talk are how disagreements are supposed to get resolved. Csloat seems to be making a good faith effort to document the source and reasoning behind their input. At the moment, I see a lot of talking past each other on the talk page; it's a little disruptive on both sides, but there's nothing on first inspection that's a policy violation. This doesn't seem like it needs any ANI involvement. Try harder on the talk page in good faith, please. Georgewilliamherbert 05:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

OK well do think this is a good case for mediation? Seriously, the discussion has gone nowhere for months. << armon >> 06:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediation is never a bad idea, or maybe an article RfC. I don't disagree that it seems to be a long running nonproductive argument, but there being a long-running nonproductive argument doesn't equal a policy or abuse issue. These are what mediators and article RfCs and such are for. Neither side on first inspection has really abused anything, but figuring out how to perhaps come to an actual understanding with someone else's help might be worthwhile. Georgewilliamherbert 06:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediation and/or RfC sounds great to me -- really, I would be happy about any way of bringing other voices into the discussion, which has become dominated by people with an agenda. I don't think it is productive for editors to continue making misleading statements about "disruption" to WP:ANI or throwing around false charges of vandalism. This is a content dispute, not a dispute about violations of Misplaced Pages rules, and it is not a good idea to pursue content disputes as if they were rules violations. It's also courteous to let someone know you are reporting them (or to warn them beforehand) -- I think the goal should be to encourage disruptive editors to edit more productively rather than to "discipline" them. In any case, it's clear that I have not been disruptive on the page, but I look forward to bringing more voices into the discussion; I certainly agree with Armon that it has become unproductive. csloat 22:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess i've gotten unblocked. Armon thinks the Cole page biography needs to be about Karsh smearng Cole with the protocols of Elders of Zion qote. this has been going on for about a year and a half. the page was protected at one time because of this. Even jimbo wales made an appearance. The matter was resolved by starting a separate page for V&C where the invidious Karsh Elders of Zion quote could reside. Now the V&C page has been done away with. And the Cole detractors want to make the "Protocols" live in spite of WP:BLP. Cole is not an ant-semite or new-anti-semite. However, he is a critic of a greater Israel or denial of the rights of the Palestinians. This puts him squarely in the gunsights of certain people. Juan Cole deserves a fair shake on Misplaced Pages and fighting for a fair page is not "disruptive." CSloat just happens to be of the Jewish faith. Moreover, he is a university professor. I don't know why he wastes his time reasoning with the seemingly unreasoning. More wikilawering to silence perceived ideological opponents. Sorry, I just have to tell it like I see it. It's called integrity. Will65.184.213.36 22:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Shadowbot

Could we get an admin to look at the concerns over Shadowbot raised here and here? Given that it is seriously biting some users who are making good-faith edits, I kind of think we need it shut down temporarily. Heimstern Läufer 07:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's clearly not behaving as it should. I've blocked it for now. Grandmasterka 07:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits like this ! --pgk 07:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, exactly, Pgk. Thanks for your help, Grandmasterka. Heimstern Läufer 07:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Good that shadowbot is blocked. It used to revert (major) rv of contributory editors and used to give spam notice. swadhyayee 07:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've temporarily shut down Shadowbot and removed any and all web sites that can cause problems from its spam blacklist, such as Livejournal and Geocities. Judging from Shadowbot's contributions, it appears that the problems encountered on Steve Irwin and other pages were caused by these rules. I plan to do an overhaul of the blacklist tonight to ensure that these problems will not happen again. I also think that Swadhyayee should note that Shadowbot has also been making good anti-spam efforts, along with the occasional bad revert.

Most of the problems that resulted in the block were caused, in part, by the bot supplying Shadowbot's edits. This bot is the one that maintains the initial blacklist, however, it is hosted by several users, and we often are forced to change hosts due to ISP problems, among other things. Due to the host switching, most of the bot clones are not kept in sync with each other, which means that I might remove livejournal from one bot, but the next one isn't aware of the deletion. I'm definitely going to fix this syncing problem before I even consider bringing Shadowbot up again. Shadow1 (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I want to unblock the IP address 203.144.160.248

Hi Guys

User 203.144.160.248 has recently been blocked. The user has only recently visited wiki site and learned that the user's name - "Pongsak Hoontrakul" appeared on the list of Economists. It The name was in red and was blocked as well. Please see the details below:

Your account or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Winhunter for the following reason (see our blocking policy): Continuation of Centrx's block; AB Your IP address is 203.144.160.248. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Siripen (talk • contribs) .

Single purpose accounts on Opus Dei

There are a number of single purpose user accounts that seem to have been created just for the purpose of promoting the religious group "Opus Dei". For example, User:Pradeshkava who seem quite well-versed in Misplaced Pages for someone who's got less than 100 edits. In the case of that user, for example, his contributions reveal that every single edit has been related to Opus Dei. I wouldn't be shocked to learn he's a sockpuppet, but given how many single purpose accounts, tendentious accounts there are promoting Opus Dei, I wouldn't really want to single out any one user to point the finger at being a puppetmaster for the purposes of checkuser.

Anyway, as of right now, Pradeshkava has been reported for 3RR violation, but that seems like it doesn't get at the heart of the matter-- which is to say, this user seems to be using Misplaced Pages to promote an agenda.

As an aside, there's a content dispute at Opus Dei and its related pages. There are a few experienced wikipedia editors on one side of the dispute, while a very dedicated group of OD members who edit only OD-related articles are on the other side. I'm doing an RFC now, if anyone wants to comment (or help) on dealing with this situation, it would be greatly appreciated. --Alecmconroy 10:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked user Lightbringer evading block by using sockpuppet

Hi.

User:Literaryagent is a confirmed (see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Lightbringer#Lightbringer_and_Literaryagent) sockpuppet of Lightbringer - a user banned by Arb-Com (see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Lightbringer) - that has escaped blocking so far. I request that the sockpuppet is blocked. For more information on Lightbringer and his use of sockpuppets, see Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/Lightbringer. WegianWarrior 10:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked. — Nearly Headless Nick 11:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Felix Portier again

Felix Portier was mentioned here last week for uploading images with obviously false copyright tags, which he now appears to be doing again. Could somebody please review and take appropriate action? Cheers --Pak21 11:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked for one month and a final warning issued - he has been warned about this. Well spotted. Proto::type 12:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• ( At least I tried to tell them about copyright. - Mgm| 17:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Panorama Tools

I would appreciate somebody looking into the recent history of Panorama Tools. An external disagreement seems to have spread to this Misplaced Pages article and there are issues about whether to link to the .org or .info site. I would look into it myself, but I'm currently getting ready for a long business trip so cannot give it much research. Thanks/wangi 12:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Still? I thought that particular lame edit war fizzled out months ago! 155.208.254.98 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I have warned the user concerned about his behaviour on his talk page and posted some comments on the article's talk page.-Localzuk 17:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Raul654 comments in my e-mail.

This message was in my e-mail when I logged on:

JonMoseley <xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.net> to me

I demand that you TERMINATE Raul654 from any rights or authority at Misplaced Pages. Raul654 is pushing a left-wing BIASED perspective on the page for Global Warming. There are numerous false statements which I corrected -- backed up by clear citations for each point. I allowed those statements to remain but BALANCED the discussion with CITATIONS to hard facts. And rather than confront the hard citations that I provided, Raul654 HID FROM HIS ATTEMPTS TO LIE in the Misplaced Pages article by blocking me. He did not identify anything incorrect about the corrections I provided. He did not counter with any other citations to the contrary. He only LIED and said that the matters had been previously discussed on the Talk page. THEY HAD NOT BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ON THE TALK PAGE. The first mention was today. If Misplaced Pages is exposed as being a nest of left-wing activists, it will harm the entire enterprise. Trust me when I say I have the news media connections to make the truth clear.

Does anyone know the background to this and is prepared to comment/resolve the issue? I will post a message linking to here to Raul654 as well. (aeropagitica) 14:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

There's only one thing that can be said about things like this: oh my god! Not another pov-pusher trying to accuse wikipedia of a left-wing/right-wing/communist/fascist/terrorist-loving/treehugging/appeasing/anti-American/anti-Semitic or any other bias... Aecis 14:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Its a bird, its a plane, its the Cabal! Shell 14:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree with User:Aecis, it appears User:JonMoseley has been reverted several times by User:Raul654 et. al. (and a quick look at edit history would suggest User:JackMcGuire is the same editor). Looks like another case of "NPOV = My POV and I have powerful friends if you disagree".--Isotope23 14:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

At least one other admin emailed me to ask why he got this. I wonder how many he sent out? Here's the love note he sent to me:

I have also just realized that you have violated Misplaced Pages's CHECK USER policy.

I will be contacting Misplaced Pages's board about this violation of the established policy.

Why don't we use this opportunity to go and vote for my bug so the developers fix it, and we don't have to put up with this nonsense anymore. Raul654 15:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

why do we even discuss this here? People should delete such emails on sight. dab (ᛏ) 16:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• They've been reverted by at least 3 different users. There's no conspiracy here, let alone abuse by Raul. Keep them blocked. - Mgm| 17:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocked Account

I User:Kiyosaki have been blocked by an Admn, that is heavily involved in a content dispute at Allegations of Israeli Apartheid. Can someone review this? I have been falsely accused of being another editor. Plus, if another Admn. reviews the Talk Page, at above article, they will not see "disruption" of any kind, on the contrary, thoughtful engagement. Thanks, and could someone kindly please review and restore my account?Kiyosaki1 18:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Admins please see Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Kiyosaki. Thatcher131 18:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I've blocked Kiyosaki1 indefinitely. Chick Bowen 18:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

User:143.231.249.141

This is an IP address registered to the US House of Representatives. I've blocked it for 24 hours (anon-only) following an WP:AIV report about it blanking the entire controversy section out of the Steve Buyer article. Instructions on the talk page suggested I should mention it here. I'm also leaving a message for User:UninvitedCompany, for the Communications committee]. Mangojuice 19:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• What is really curious is other than whitewashing and adding spurious mythology to Donald Rumsfeld, the IP has an odd preoccupation with cleft chins as seen in the contrib history...--Isotope23 19:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

72.159.128.2 and block notices

Hi, I noticed that 72.159.128.2 made a nonsense edit to King Cobra (although I think they may have had good intentions). Upon looking at their talk page, I noticed it says they are presently blocked, which seems not to be the case. Another pair of eyes would be appreciated. ... aa:talk 20:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

They were blocked for 48 hours in September, but that's long expired now. {{test5}} notices don't get removed when the block expires, so you can't tell if someone is currently blocked based on them. --Tango 20:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Fanny Samaniego

At the article Fanny Samaniego User:207.112.77.37 is inserting abusive comments into the article, which has now turned into an exchange of legal and personal threats with User:Nrock2006 at User talk:207.112.77.37 which would need administrative intervention.--VirtualDelight 21:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• User:207.112.77.37 probably deserves a block for vandalism & personal attacks . User:Nrock2006 probably deserves a block for personal attacks and legal threats here & here.--Isotope23 21:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism on Albert Einstein

Perhaps one of you who thinks that Albert Einstein does not deserve permanent semi-protection would be so good as to repair this vandalism which has been there un-reverted for 3½ hours. Yes, I know I could revert it myself, and I used to—until I gave up on the futile effort of trying to guard this article without semi-protection. --teb728 21:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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