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Moldovan referendum

Indeed, Me, too, I like the fact that we don't clash over this subject. :) Still, you didn't answer my question about your mark. Dpotop 23:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You have it on your talk page, just look a bit upwards. Dpotop 23:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFPP

Hey, I just recently protected (earlier today) Tourette Syndrome and now, the user Sandy is requesting the page to be unprotected. I don't see why it matters if the page is protected, or not protected, but I don't want to get involved in it again. Can you please take a look at it, and decide whether it should be unprotected or kept protected? Thanks. =) Nishkid 64 00:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Lol...thanks anyway. Nishkid 64 00:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk pages

Don't we all?

Still, particularly in contentious situations, much easier for everyone to see what's going on, and the only way someone neutral can step in and potentially resolve the dispute. Again, you both have good points, but you're both unable to see the other's side of the argument, and I can add arguments to both of yours, and show you both, if you're willing to listen, that you could find a compromise that would improve the readibility and help people understand why this information is important to include. But again, if it's not on the talk page, no one else can attempt to get you both to see the other side. KP Botany 00:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not lecturing you, and I do tell it to other users, as often as possible. I would like people to discuss these issues, on the talk pages, but instead people simply revert changes they don't like and simply tell the other party they're wrong, or don't discuss it at all in a way that invites outside contributions. KP Botany 00:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, or just one more crusading user sharing in his views?

The question that still begs is: why did the two edit each other's user pages? Solidarity? LOL. In any case, it isn't surprising that there physically were more than one user with those views on wikipedia, since before the arrival of Antarcticwik, problem IPs ocasionally surfaced from time to time. Furthermore, other otherwise well known and respected Chilean wikipedia users (even admins) have also made similar edits regarding Chile in that regards (ie. decreasing proportions of ethnic groups or outright deleting content regarding demographics). The "mestizo" question in Chile is a very sensitive issue. As someone who has been there once before, i say that from first hand experience.

Chilean users such as Jespinos and CieloEstrellado also seem to be hell bent on excluding "mestizo". But even so, all four of these users together do not represent all Chilean users on the wiki project in regards to the ethnic issue of Chile. Just for the record, I don't want to tarnish Jespinos or CieloEstrellado's contribution to wikipedia, and I will state that appart from the sores of the "mestizo" issue (which doesn't indicate any fault on their part because it is a common phenomenon among Chileans) as far as I know they are excellent contributors. Antarcticwik and Chileeuropride seem just to be the extremist element in views of the "mestizo" issue that seems to plague that country. Al-Andalus 00:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

What is my supposed fault? Why I am associated with people having POVs opposed to mine? Who is the person that really is obsessed with the word mestizo?, but the bad thing is that along with using that word, paragraphs against the mestizos are subtly included. On the other hand, characters like Chileuropride are invented with the aim of manipulate to the editors. Jespinos 19:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't blame anything on you. I just made an observation on your views in that one particular matter. I also placed a caveat pointing out that apart from that as far as I know, you're a really good contributor. Also, the obsession with the word mestizo lies with those who cannot substanciate their point of view, since it is they that keep removing it. If you (plural) could get past that word we all wouldn't be where we are. Perhaps you don't see it as much of an issue, but if you experienced the number of attacks I get from annonymous IP's (most of whom I assume are Antarctikwik from before he created his account, but which continued from annonymous IP's) you'd understand the seriousness of the matter.

Also, you weren't all that helpful in that while you didn't encourage Antarctiwik's methods, you did encourage his cause. Game? My cause? Unmask what? You inadvertently cheered him on. All I've ever asked for the four of you is to walk into :Talk once in a blue moon, to actually back up your changes and constant reverts. But none of you have had the capacity to do that.

I now see that you too are suggesting that I created Chileeuropride. Please! I don't know if the two (Antarctic and Chileeuro) are or aren't the same person (aparently not), but all I know is that the two made similar edits for the most part and on ocassions edited each others pages. Whether or not they are the same person, it is clear to me that they we're some sort of tag team that at least knew of each other prior to the emergence of the latter. It seems only that one was a bit more idiotic than the other in his unsourced and unsustainable POV pushing and got himself blocked.

Finally, I would like all of those attacks on my page investigated. One apparently knows me and made a veiled threat to come and get me. Then there is , and , and . Al-Andalus 22:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Tibet

I have started a discussion. Please read the Talk pages for Tibet. Also, I only undoed your edit ONCE, not "repeatedly" as you state. Mamin27 00:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Al'Ilah

I fully protected the page while you were semi-protecting it. Does semi-protection prevent blocked users from editing it? -- tariqabjotu 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

THE INVENTION OF ANDALUS

It responds please, ¿The Andalus IP is similar, to the of Chileuropide? Antarcticwik 04:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I see what you mean, but that part I was talking about was deleted by Clevelander right before the closure of the vote for no apparent reason. As such, I was not adding something, but simply reverting vandalism. Please take a look at the page history.. Is it right for someone to take one of my comments that went to the heart of the argument beneath the AfD to be taken out by someone just because they didn't like it? And please also note that Clevelander tried to blackmail me, please take a look at my talk page and PA notice board and judge for yourself. I am not making a big deal of this since he withdrew his report by himself from the PA board. Is such act to blackmail a Wiki user to stop him contributing not against policy? Baristarim 04:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

He took out his comments by himself, and I will not be re-adding them, so you will have to look back into my talk page history . I am just saying all this to let you know that I was not playing with the AfD, but was rather reverting the deletion of my comments on content that were removed without my consent by Clevelander before the closure of the vote. In that case, Clevelander also should get a vandalism warning, right? But I don't want it to be as such, and that's why I didnt report him to anywhere and just reverted myself. I could have simply reported to you beforehand about the vandalism and asked you (or an admin) that something be done about it, no? :)))) So, believe me, I was simply trying to make sure that Wiki was running more efficient, trying to revert vandalism myself instead of reporting it to admins. Please also take note that OttomanReference's extremely relevant comments about the AfD have also been deleted without his permission.. Is that also correct behaviour? Baristarim 05:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It is not just a "bad" idea to delete relevant comments, it is vandalism, and that compounded with the blackmail issue is a big enough one. Just a quick note about the vote-stacking issue. As you can see, I have spent so much time writing and putting up posts and replies to the concerns of individual users. I have no idea who this Erdem guy is, but he has a right to have his opinion heard as well I suppose. Just FYI, I haven't contacted this person in anyway, nor have I asked somebody else to do it for me. And I believe that vote-stacking can be going on both sides, I am afraid.. In any case, there are no votes "per se", since there are no sides, what is important are the arguments and general concensus.. As for Karcha.. Can you please put back his vote that you crossed out? It was crossed out since he was blamed for being a sockpuppet of E, and if he is not, his vote should stay. Don't forget that that vote was struck out after a pseudo-confirmation of sockpuppetry, which means it was retroactive. However a simple ban for disruptive behavior is not retroactive in the sense that it would allow the deletion of votes (that don't include PA or etc.) that were made "before" the ban. It would only affect the future, not the past. Even people who have compared the "Ottoman Muslims" to "Nazi Germans" have voted, so I don't understand why karcha's vote is still struck out. Can you please also report vote-stacking that might be going around with the "delete" side? Please don't do it in such a way that would somehow discredit the hours I put into my posts replying to the concerns of individual posts. Please read the TfD in its entireity, you will see that the influence of any kind of vote-stacking is negligable, the debate has taken ten times much more space than the votes themselves. I find it very interesting that this issue of vote-stacking is coming about after many Turkish users turned up to vote, as if that was a bad thing. Why do you assume that just because Turks are having their voice heard, they must be vote-stacking? You and I know that many groups coordinate by message boards, emails and etc, much more than Turks do. So please keep that in mind. Cheers! Baristarim 05:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I just read Erdem's vote and his reasons. It was a long paragraph and not just some one word vote (like most of the delete votes are btw). To try to discredit him by blaming his comments on vote-stacking is disrespectful to someone who put his time and energy to write a whole paragraph to explain his reasons for his vote. Doesn't matter if hadn't edited for a long time. Please, please, don't try to unjustly influence the outcome of this debate by writing a report that says "there might be vote-stacking going on". None of these users are sockpuppets. Baristarim 05:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

His paragraph was not filled with usual banter, but it was a detailed explanation of the reasons underlying why the template should be kept. So, I see nothing wrong with a user putting forward his opinions in such a neat and detailed manner. Baristarim 05:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the quick action on the angry Bahraini! :) Zora 06:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

AFD relist?

Is it okay to relist AFDs that need votes? Example: I have AFDs from yesterday so can I relist them for today? Khorshid 10:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

legal threat issue

Hi Khoikhoi - I request you to please check out User talk:65.110.153.102 and his edits on Talk:Allama Mashriqi, where he issued a legal warning/threat. I've blocked him for 1 week as of now, but I request your input on the proper course of action in this regard. Cheers, Rama's arrow 16:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey - sorry I made a mistake in blocking him. The legal threat was a quote from a website being discussed. Rama's arrow 18:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yup, thanks. A question - how would you handle a threat case? Rama's arrow 20:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much indeed

Hi, I'll try to do the best I can. Bye bye--Furyo Mori 19:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks!!!! Bye--Furyo Mori 19:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for help

Dear Khoikhoi, I have made a small mess and I wonder if you can help me setting it right Ksyrie (talk · contribs) made a completely unwarranted revert of a page move from Chinese city wall to Cheng Qiang, and I reverted his edit my cutting and pasting. Now, I have realized that my course of action has disrupted the history of the page. I wonder if you could help us setting this right. Also, if you have time, could you tell the abovementioned user not to insist on Chinsese terminology in English Misplaced Pages. He will try to make a move again.--Niohe 19:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Chileuropide case

It responds please, what it is the country of origin of the IP of chileeuropide. Antarcticwik 19:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

Concerning to Cheng Qiang,it's I who first make this article,When I found non corresponding word to describe this kind of Wall,I prefered to use the chinese translation.I just wonder the justifiability for naming it as Chinese City wallKsyrie

What are you doing?

What must i do?

User:Ksyrie again...

Sorry to ask you for help again, but User:Ksyrie is going rampant on China proper and just violated WP:3RR. Check the edit history for evidence. I think it is time to give him a warning or block him/her for a while.--Niohe 22:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand

Please take a look at these: , , , , , ? "POV template"? This is not just an ordinary "what do you think?" call. If it is not ok for E104421 to tell one of his friends in his university about the pages he is interested in wiki, this is also not ok. Baristarim 23:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I did not know that this is not allowed. Khoikhoi explained it to me yesterday, and since then, I did not post this message to anyone. Tājik 23:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

All this reminds me of Mustafa Akalp's performance at Khoi's RFA. User Baristarim, you are missing an important point. If E104... was asking people at work/school to come to Misplaced Pages and support him that is soliciting meatpuppets and is prohibited by WP:POLICY (see WP:SOCK). Spamming talkpages for votes is not meatpuppetry (as those users are already legitimate Misplaced Pages users) and is frowned upon, but as far as I know, there is no specific policy against it just yet.--Euthymios 23:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE tell Baristam to stop wikistalking my contribs. he and ahwaz have become close friends. very very close :) Khorshid 23:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Look at this: *slaps himself on the head* Khorshid 23:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Slap myself on the head? I only notified ONE user, I didn't paste it all over message boards or at the talk pages of scores of users. I know the limit between a vote-stacking campaign and simple notification to one user. If I had wanted I would have sent e-mails to at least hundred users. It is common knowledge and practice that certain AfDs and TfDs are told to other users by some other users, what is important is the limit, there is a fine line between letting one-two people know about a particular vote and a massive campaign to get out scores of votes. In any case none of them are "votes", strictly speaking. Dry votes don't cut it, people have to come in and explain their reasons. If they want, they can say "per X", but even that doesn't carry the same amount of weight as a thought-out parapgraph. That's all I am saying.. Baristarim 03:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What are you saying? I put 3 of her articles for deletion. NONE of them are notable - see WP:BIO and WP:PROF. If you have a problem with me then block me! DO IT IF YOU BELIVE I AM FUCKING DISRUPTIVE - I SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF THIS SHIT OF GETING ATTACKED AND CALLED BIAS WHEN THEY ARE JUST AS BIASED Khorshid 03:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What kind of words are here? Is this personel attack also.-->Attention to any admins.Must 10:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel verybad myself since my name is used in this discussion. 1-What Tajik said, also I said in my case. I didnt know that to send messages for vote is not allowed thattime.After first warning I stopped my messages. Conclusion; I blocked, Tajik..?
According to wiki rules, every body (including anon) can put his/her vote and oppinion in anywhere. Nobody cancel this rule.Every vote must be counted. If; Today, I would ask my wife to login,using my home IP. (I know exactly that, Her wote will be also "Keep".)Who will cancel this vote, with which right and according to which rule. Please explain to me.Must 10:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Istro-Romanians

Excellent. Right now, two things spring to mind: we need sources (as you recognise), and an ethnic group template would be very helpful, provided we can gather enough information to fill it up. I will see what I can do. Biruitorul 23:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Good work. I cannot, however, contribute much on such topics, unless I'm called to express an opinion in some obvious area: my knowledge of Romance Balkan cultures other than my own is, alas, minimal. Thanks for the notification. Dahn 15:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

BIAS

So I am biased? Look at this: What do you call this, is he not stalking me and harrassing me when that disucssion has NOTHING to do with him and I make NO comment about him there?!? And he calls me that I am ATTACKING this admin when I am only CRITICIZNG which I have a legitimate right to do! I an asking that he be wanred and sanctioned for this stalking. Khorshid 03:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No, not at all, I have been checking into E104421's case since much before you joined into the debate there, if you look into that section, you will see that my comments there date back before your involvement. I just checked it again to see if there was something new about him. Believe me, there is no conspiracy theory here, I was not stalking u into an incident that was reported to admin noticeboard. :))) Baristarim 04:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Three revert incident

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what's going on with Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Freedom_skies_reported_by_User:Nat_Krause_.28Result:_prot.29 The 3RR incident involving User:Freedom skies. You marked it "Page protected by Blnguyen. Khoikhoi 09:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)", but what kind of remedy is this against the user who committed the 3RR? Heck, it was already protected, before I had posted the 3RR report. Meanwhile, our friend Freedom skies continues his POV edits on other articles. Why hasn't he been blocked?—Nat Krause 04:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The page should be unprotected and Freedom skies should be blocked. Why should the entire rest of the world be denied its Jimbo-given right to edit that page because this guy decided to go on a one-man edit war crusade?—Nat Krause 04:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

No.—Nat Krause 04:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Look, I'm very frustrated by the way this situation is developing. It's not a major problem, but it feels like just about the last straw for me. However, this isn't your problem; you haven't been involved with it outside of the 3RR report and you haven't done anything to make the situation worse. So, I don't hold it against you at all, but, hell no, I'm not getting involved in more bureaucracy over this.—Nat Krause 04:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Silly question

Hey, I have a very silly problem. I created this article Turkey - United States relations (with that spelling) to make it a redirect to Turkey-United States relations. But instead of the article's title in the redirect thing I put what was supposed to be my edit summery - "redirect page". So now it redirects to redirect page :)) It is a really silly thing, but can u help me sort it since I cannot move the page.. Sorry for taking your time! cheers! Baristarim 04:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks!! Baristarim 04:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Check your email when u have the time. i will reply tomorrow. Ciao;-) Hectorian 05:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Baristarim

This user is Wikistalking me and other Iranian Users. He is all of a sudden active in several articles that he would not know anything about unless he was following our edits. He recently interfered with an Arbcom also. What should I do or what can you do?Khosrow II 16:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I want his message against me on Admin noticeboard taken out for "wikistalking" reasons. If not then I have 110% right to wikistalk him all over the place and criticise every little discussion he makes and no one can bother me about it because he does it and he still does it even after you warned him! I suggest also you raise this on the admin discussion and have him sanctioned for harrassment of users. Khorshid 02:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Please check the Ataturk page

Hi again, as I suspected, User:A.Garnet is having a knee-jerk reaction to my section with your suggestions added. He seems to be trying to pick out little criticisms in order to invalidate the whole thing. I'd appreciate it if you'd look at it and give your opinions on that page. The Suggestion section and the one under it in particular. Thanks. --AW 17:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Freedom skies

Sorry for the trouble. I sent a message to Nat Krause which also explains my intentions and actions and asking the legitimacy of his actions. Best regards. Freedom skies 19:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Les nouvelles socqeries

GreekWarrior: Good catch. Definitely his style and his IP range. I've logged him on the Arbcom page as you suggested.
Any idea who the Istanbul anon is who you warned for harassing Tajik? (85.100.33.205 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)) Tajik complained to me to, but I didn't really know what to do of him, seeing only the few edits under that IP (it's dynamic, obviously). But I'd say he's ripe for a block if he strikes again.
You might want to keep in mind that the other anon you've been reverting over at Yashar Kemal is a flat-mate of User:Karcha. Well, edits from the same student dormitory, at least. If he does anything Karchaesque ...

Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

A propos, what do you think about Hellenicwarrior (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? Coincidence? Look at his first few edits... Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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Kvenland

Kvenland was released from semi-protection and user:Art Dominique's sockpuppets user:More Disclaimers and user:Stories by tellers were on it the next day. Could you restore semi-protection, thanks. --Drieakko 07:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you blocked the wrong user.

Please see report HERE. I really think you made a mistake on the block of both User:Oroboros_1 and User:GuardianZ. It appears as if they were both logged in at the same time when you blocked the first guy, then you blocked the second one but the post showed a different IP and was only minutes apart. I think the report you answered was biased and false to start with, and though you're innocent, you did make the block. Peacekpr 07:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

How exactly is the report biased and false to start with? I filed the checkuser request, and it was confirmed that they're both the same person. As for User:GuardianZ posting under a different IP after the block, that's called evading a block, User:Khoikhoi warned him about it and he stopped. Dionyseus 12:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Burgaz

Hi! I noticed on the Turkish Misplaced Pages you moved Burgazada to Burgaz Adası, with the explanation, Diğer Prens Adalarının aksine, Burgaz, "ada" ismiyle birlikte yazılmamalı. Ayrıntılı açıklamayı tartışma sayfasında yapıyorum. I don't speak Turkish, so I'm not quite sure what you meant, but do you think the Burgazada article here should be moved as well? If so, why? Khoikhoi 21:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Other large islands in the Princes' Archipelago are consisted of one adverb plus name "ada" (island). Büyükada (Grand Island), Kınalıada (Island-dyed-with-henna), Heybeliada (Island-with-saddlebag). Burgaz is an exception, it is not an adjective so according to Turkish grammar it should not form a combined word like "Burgazada" (but it is a common mistake to do so). It should be written as Burgaz Adası, last "sı" meaning "of" like in "Island of Burgaz". Or, rather, like in French, you should write "Île d'If" not "Île If" nor "If Île", "de" is necessary as "sı" is necssary in Turkish. This is consistent with Murat Belge in his Istanbul Guide Book (İstanbul Gezi Rehberi).

I think the article could be moved to "Burgaz" or "Burgaz (Island)". In the English Misplaced Pages we should not name the article "Burgaz Adası" Filanca 21:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I think Burgaz Adası is fine, however. If we wanted to apply the "use English" rule to this island, shouldn't we do it for the rest? For example, we should move Büyükada to Büyük Island or something like that, I'm not sure. Also we have the page about Sedef at Sedef Adası.

Anyways, thanks again. Khoikhoi 00:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

IMO renaming Büyükada to Büyük Island would be a mistake since Büyükada is a proper name as it is. One may still say "Büyükada adası" (Island of Büyükada) gramatically, although you will not hear this used. This is not the case for Burgaz or Sedef, they may be called Burgaz Island and Sedef Island. The article "Sedef Adası" may be renamed Sedef Island, Sedef (Island) or Sedef. Filanca 12:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, Mustafa Akalp moved Kızıl River to Kızılırmak yesterday with an explanation on the talk page. I replied, and then moved the page back, because I'm pretty sure "Kızıl River" is the most common name in English. I don't think the average English speaker is going to care about the difference between "ırmak" and "nehir", and they're not going to know Turkish either. The point is that the Kızıl is a river, and therefore the most appropriate title is Kızıl River. What do you think? Khoikhoi 20:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There again, Kızılırmak is a combined name and I feel it should be kept intact. The same goes for Uludağ (mountain). But not for Seyhan River or Hasan Mountain. Please consider I am no linguist and I may be wrong in these matters. Filanca 20:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is a good example. Turkish Vikipedi Kızılırmak article starts with "Kızılırmak Nehri" which means "Kızılırmak River". I think this illustrates how much amalgamated the combined form is and Kızıl River would sound weird. Filanca 20:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It would sound weird to a Turkish speaker, but I don't think it matters at all to the average English speaker. BTW, can you please explain to me the exact difference between "ırmak" and "nehri"? Thanks, Khoikhoi 20:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

OK if you say so, I am not a native English speaker, still be cautious, I feel like you are changing the name when you write "Kızıl River" :) Irmak and Nehir are synonyms both meaning a river. Nehir is Arabic in origin while "nehri" means "river of.." (only in Turkish). Nehir is also more common than Irmak, "Nil Irmağı" gets only about 250 Google hits while "Nil Nehri" about 25.000. Filanca 21:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Zaparojdik

Hey isnt it allowed to add this? last time User:Khosrow II sent me them and there it's write Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion

"Give due notice.

Please consider adding

on relevant talk pages to inform editors of the deletion discussion. This is especially important if the TFD notice was put on the template's talk page." Zaparojdik (talk · contribs) 01:35 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection request - Waterboarding

Hi, I see you have had a run in with User: 71.202.65.158, who seems to devote his time to removing anything he considers objectionable for his own political bias. This anonymous user, and other IP users have been causing a slow moving (too slow for 3RV rule) edit war in waterboarding. This article has been the subject of vandals also. We marked it as controversial, and requested sources and use of Talk - but we are still plagued by revisions with no sources or talk from multiple anonymous IP addresses, and a (lower) level of anonymous vandals also. We had hoped this would die down after the US elections, but it has not. As such, to reduce vandalism I request you place the Article waterboarding in semi-protected status to reduce vandalism. Rcnet 02:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, will do if it gets voluminous again. Rcnet 02:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome

Thanks for your welcome. I come from the French-speaking Misplaced Pages. I noticed in your message "Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field". By "+ fr", I mean adding an interwiki link to the french article. I thought it was the general use on all Wikipedias, isn't it? forgive my English, I haven't practiced for years- Éclusette 07:53, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Everything's fine. Thanks for replying - Éclusette 06:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

"Just when I thought I was out ... "

Turns out all I needed was a wiki-break, and not a wiki-desertion. Live and learn, eh? —Saposcat 14:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblock of Karcha and E104421

Dear Khoikhoi, As you know, User:Karcha and User:E104421 were cleaned from the accusation of puppety, and ther were unblocked. You are right for the some behaviour of Karcha. I posted a message to him also to keep away edit-rv actions. I also know their some words/oppinions for you. Now; as an admin, I wait good faith from your side to create good relations for future. In this manner, there is a tag in Karcha's user page(posted by you), still there, It will be better to clean of this tag and cat's by you to show your good faith. Sorry for my humble words. Thanks in advance. Regards. Must 15:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC) (did you take my mail?)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Renaming survey

You may wanna look at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Renaming survey--Ling.Nut 16:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Hey, I have a few questions regarding the current state of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

A user, Mustafa Akalp came to my user talk page and requested I remove/clean up the section of the article entitled Mustafa Kemal Atatürk#Opinions on genocide. He linked me to the talk page, and I really could not see where any consensus on keeping/deleting the section, and so I just added the {{TotallyDisputed}} tag to that particular section. I know you have experience in dealing with such articles, I was wondering if you could help me out here. Did I miss something in the talk page? I'm not particularly familiar with the specifics of the Armenian genocide (I know a bit, but not enough to help the article), so I might have missed some key points brought up in the talk page. Anyway, I just want a basic opinion from your side regarding the article. Nishkid 64 17:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

MKA

Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. Must 18:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Shabaks

If you are still interested about the Shabak people issue; I got in touch with one from this site and got this answer; "If shabak are gentically kurds or not, I cannot tell, but we (the vast majority) do not consider us as kurds. If you are still intrested, you can just ask - mo7amed87@hotmail.com" Chaldean 21:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

?????

i did not add inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages . i'm not a spammer

i have added link to http://en.wikipedia.org/Ankara#External_links . the link i have added is http://www.turkcebilgi.net/tatil-yoreleri/turkiye/ankara-6124.html .

this page that i have added contains general information about ankara , regional meal of ankara . i think they are related to ANKARA . i think content of the page that i'm adding to wiki is related ankara .

there are many links like mine on wiki , so i think you allow this .

please inform me. thanks

--Trichnosis 23:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

?????

and the second link i have added to http://en.wikipedia.org/Ottoman_Empire#In_Turkish . the link that i have added is http://www.turkcebilgi.net/bilim/osmanli-tarihi/ . this page is a article category pages inludes articles about ottoman origin , culture and history .

i think they are related to Ottoman Empire

--Trichnosis 23:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Emergency!!

There's a revolution in the new projects too, there's an Austrian Misplaced Pages proposal there proposed by the Moldovan rebels!! Rakuten06 23:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It was only couple of hours later, what's the big deal about it? Miskin 23:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you check the time gap? Miskin 23:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I mean that Misplaced Pages should not be posted there, it should be posted on the new language section, plus that Austrian is not Cyrillic (or Russian) so that Austrian language will be used as the Moldovan Misplaced Pages, not the true Austrian Misplaced Pages. Rakuten06 23:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

subject

I've added my edit back, I think it's a gestapo/exaggerated move to remove just for a few hours. Please respect the fact that I've been very busy and have had little time to contribute to articles and participate in discussions properly. Do not prevent me from participating at all. Miskin 00:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Good, be like the gestapo. Miskin 03:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

khoikhoi, please understand...

...that although it may not appear so, I have been approaching this debate and others in good faith. You might find my style a bit crude sometimes but I have seen many rude postings from THOTH et al that have just been ignored so I fail to understand why it always tends to be me that gets remarks! I deeply believe that a couple of users such as THOTH, Eupator, Hectorian, marshallbargmayan and a few others are not being honest with their edits. Look at the disaster the AG article has become! It's unfair that this same bunch is given the benefit of the doubt and allowed to sully the image of Ataturk for the sake of their own personal agenda. lutherian 05:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I see what you mean, but there are at least a million Azeris living in Turkey. I don't know, I mean, if we are going to have Wiki Project Armenia in Kars article for historical reasons, we might as well have this for historical reasons.. But again, I am definitely not going to get into an edit war over this :))) Baristarim 07:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Article "Romanians"

Hi Khoikhoi, I just saw the remarks of 66.36.156.91 on the talk page of article "Romanians". Although I believe that some of his arguments are logical (he obviously borrowed them, those are not his own arguments), I think the remarks in the subject line are way beyond normal behaviour, to say the least. I just want you to know that they offend not only you but everyone, regardless of POV on one small issue or the other. This is no longer "academic" POV arguing, this is 100% rude, to say the least.:Dc76 15:42, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Mortzy et al

I have mentioned the fact that he had over 10 sockpuppets a while back - wikipedia is beginning to make me feel like a Laocoon :). But no, I don't know of any other: on the plus side, he is as obsessive about vandalizing as to provide us with adequate clues in no time :). Cheers. Dahn 22:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Btw: User:85.9.71.131 = bonaparte. Dahn 22:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

name issue

Gene Nygaard reverted your edit to Árpád Élő, once again in order to distort his name by removing his Hungarian middle name and diacritics. I reverted him, and he reverted me again. So now I added a link confirming his birth name, hopefully that'll settle it. But perhaps you should keep an eye on the article and request full protection if Gene reverts again.
By the way, I contacted Diego in Portuguese and he replied to me in English (duh!) telling me that he still does not understand why's everybody contesting his edits. Weird. Best regards.--Húsönd 23:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you !

Hello KhoiKhoi!,
Welcome to My talk page. Thank you for Contributions in my talk page. If I decide that I need help, I will check out Getting Help, or I will ask you on your talk page.
Please let me know; do you posted this message to all newcomers or some one selected. If this is the case ,which criterias you use to select; ethnicity, articles interested ore some one else. Also another question, how you know a newuser comes from a specific country.
Finally, why did you clear some valuable info from articles Sarma and dolma?
I hope this is not an anti-X transaction. Please let me know, are you Romanian,Turk,Slav or what.Please feel free to response or not.

Please do your best for our future colloboration.
WhiteHero 00:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Åland map.png)

Thanks for uploading Image:Åland map.png. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Misplaced Pages and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr.) 01:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Art Dominique's sock puppets

Hi, I made a sock puppet report about User:Abu Waleed Saudi, and was surprised to find that despite multiple sock puppets for Art Dominique this was only the 2nd sock puppet report. Am I right to assume that these reports do not need to be made in this particular case with the Kvenland and Kings of Kvenland articles? It looks as though most times an admin has taken care of the problem before a report can be made. I thought I'd ask you because you placed the sock puppet tag on User:Misplaced Pages corrections department. Robotman1974 12:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the info. Robotman1974 22:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

WP template

Dear Khoikhoi, what is the relaton wp armenia template and Erzurum. This is a radical approach.This attempts gives rights to radical users to put their templates to other countries' cities. For example, Thessaloniki there is much more relation with Turkish history, and I will put WPTR there just to alert you, and that template will be stay there till to you delete WP armenia template from Erzurum. Regards Must 21:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

What Erzeroum has to do with the Armenians? lol... For a start, it was part of armenian history for twice as much time as it is for turkish... BTW, the wikiproject 'History of Greece' has been added (by me) in Istanbul, Trabzon, Antalya, Names of Istanbul, Tenedos. i hope i will not hear something like: what do these places have to do with greek history... Regards Hectorian 01:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

As a member of WPHOG, I am genuinely interested. I am sure the non-Greek members are also interested. I wanted to do that myself, but Hector got to it first. :-) His Lawyer 01:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks you

for your award. Beit Or 22:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey!

Hope that 'self' here wasn't referring to me! Or was it? :-) Niko Silver 23:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You malakas! Of course it was...not. ;-) Khoikhoi 23:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Damn! I always thought we were pals! Oh, and good thing you don't have a picture uploaded; I'd be tempted to include it in that pictureless article! (I know what you're thinking, and I'm ahead of you) :-) Niko Silver 23:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL!

BTW, what ever happened to your pathetic signature?

Khoikhoi 23:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Since you insisted, I had to add that dab... The sig was nice, but I am tired of pathetic unaesthetic instruction-freak-like remarks. :-) No, actually I got bored, and thought my trollish comments shouldn't stick out so much in the talk-pages. Niko Silver 00:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Man! You really had to do it again, didn't you!? :-) Niko Silver 00:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Shall i consider this a joke? Your reply, along with the threat-comment on your talk (id est "blackmailing" with a turkish wikiproject a Greek article, so as to remove the armenian wikiproject from turkish articles) gave me the impression that u endorce WP:POINT and u encourage such kind of behavour... Prove me wrong please. Hectorian 01:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hehe... was it me who started it? be honest please;-). Hectorian 01:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The number is what it matters? or the reason he added it? come on Khoi! i am shocked that u are even willing to defend such an act... Hectorian 01:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

See my post 2 sections above. I AM interested. Niko Silver 01:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Lawyer... LOL:). in fact i got really surprised! is there any logical person in this world who could consider Thessaloniki being of major importance to turkish history, but who would complain when implying (by adding the respective wikiproject) that Istanbul is of "at least" the same importance for the greek history? Hectorian 01:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparently you have full representation... Your lawyal lawyer Niko Silver 01:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't need that. You have anons for that job. ;-) Niko Silver 01:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Have they? 62.1.144.155 01:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not know what will be next... I am not the one setting the rules here... Neither the one who started the whole issue. I read the comments in Mustafa's talk and in yours as well. u did not seem to wonder what will be next in your reply to him... Really, didn't u know what would be next? on the contrary, u encouraged him... I am not encouraging, nor am i able to tolerate, blackmailing attitude. and keeping the 'Thessaloniki' article "hostage", not cause the city is of major historic importance to the Turks, but simply cause the armenian project is in Erzerum, is one of the lamest things i have seen here! i see no reason for anyone to revert my edits... As u saw, i did not remove the turkish wikiproject from Thessaloniki, but added the greek one in e.g. Istanbul. whoever reverts me, must remove that project from Thessaloniki. Clear, Fair and Honest enough. Hectorian 02:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Had u added "LOL" or ":)" next to your lawyer, too and I would like to hear from your client now, i would had consider it a joke. but, man, now i don't... Hectorian 02:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, fine by me then:) Hectorian 02:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It's OK... I misunderstoond, cause u mentioned it twice, into a "heated" discussion. No prob at all. Hectorian 02:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Again? why, did we ever stop being φίλοι?:))) Hectorian 02:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

...and u suppose correctly, my friend:). Ciao Hectorian 02:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I knew it would happen... But, like i said, i did not start it. btw, thanks for dealing with that anon. Cheers Hectorian 17:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks man, I just gave him that to give him a fright, the guy was writing all kinds of racist comments like "Nigger" etc, But im not sure if he was the exact one anyway thanks next time ill give a different warning to people who haven't really done anything bad at first. Nareklm 02:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah i could have tell he was a trouble maker nice catch. Nareklm 03:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I made a mess

I mixed up the main template with the template I was trying to give a user. ah-der...NinaEliza 04:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

sib-wiki

Voted to close. Khoikhoi 04:28, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Does this board exist in some other form?

Hey, s'up.. I just wanted to ask you something since you have been around more than I have. I would like to launch a "Greek and Turkish Wikipedians Cooperation Board" to shift certain debates that transcend a single article's grasp and concentrate them in one place to increase efficiency to resolve many outstanding debates. I was just writing a prototype page, but it just came to my mind that there might be a similar thing somewhere out there in Wiki that (possibly) became defunct or one that I was unaware of yet. Is there one? If not I hope to have one up and running today.. And on a technical note, what form should I use? Do I directly create it under that name, or do I have to host it under some other format similar to what we have for users (wiki:user:xyz instead of wiki:xyz)? Thanks! Baristarim 04:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

If I can get through all the shouting matches (that admittedly I have also been involved in:)), I would like to do one for Armenian-Turkish Wikipedians Cooperation Board too. Step by step though :))) Baristarim 04:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply and the image :)) Cheers! Baristarim 06:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok.. Hmm, well I don't know why Michael said that it was dead, but let's take another shot at it :)) I will contact him though.. Baristarim 06:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

So what do you think? If there are any improvements that can be made, I hope that we will get around to it. I will also try to create a template to put in the talk pages of some articles. I will also contact all the Greek and Turkish editors that I know.. Baristarim 06:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Checkuser page of Khosrow II

Hey Khoikhoi, How are you? I'm waiting about for 2 months for checking user of Khosrow II Can you please take a look? Here the link , Thanks Zaparojdik (talk · contribs) 15:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL, Zaparodjik has added my name to atleast two user check pages, when will he give up? Also, he thinks that all of the Iranian and non-Iranian users who revert his disruptive edits are my puppets. LOL, its just getting ridiculous, some people are not here to make Misplaced Pages a better place...Khosrow II 22:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

On the indef block of User:Chandrannair

Hello. I was wondering why the above user was indef-blocked by you. The alleged sockpuppeteer, User:Ivygohnair, claims that the two of them are spouses, and as such share the same computer and IP. That aside, as far as I can tell, the alleged sockpuppet hasn't been used for abusive purposes and doesn't seem to violate anything on WP:SOCK. I see no reason for indef-blocking him. I bring this up only because the banned user's wife seems very distressed over his being blocked, and because they are both relatively new to Misplaced Pages. Let's not bite the newcomers -ryand 14:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I was unaware of the use of sockpuppets in that particular AfD; however, I have left a message on User:Ivygohnair's talk page informing her of the reason for her husband's block and cautioning her not to violate Misplaced Pages policy again. She should be leaving a message here sometime soon. Thank you again for the clarification. -ryand 11:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

alleged spamming

re: this comment by you: "Please stop. If you continue spamming you will be blocked from editing. Khoikhoi 20:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)"--i have been aking substantive improvements to articles, including feedback on talk pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Solar_power) for articles that need help--what gives? KonaScout 17:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Civil war in Tajikistan

Hi there, can you pls give a reason for removing the link to the key texts and agreements in the peace process???

When is spam spam

Hi again, pls check the links before you delete them - I think if you take a look you would agree that it can be useful for users who would like to know more to have a gateway to the key texts and agreements in ending respective conflicts? And this is not my site, or a commercial site that I´m adding links to. Point taken regarding the content versus links, however I am a newbie and still need some more courage to go beyond fixing spelling/grammar and adding links. Pls don't erase more of my contributions unless taking a look for yourself and perhaps start a discussion on the talk pages on the links validity??? Many thanks, Nkomone

Good idea regarding wikisource, I think however there is an added value of having the link to the primary source (i.e. the key texts + profiles of the actors in the conflict and extensive chronology) for curious readers. But then again that might just be my opinion?

point taken, will make more guarded additions in the future :) - Cheerio, Nkomone

Thanks

Exactly what I presumed, but I figured I wouldn't name an individual before evidence was gathered. I hope for his sake he's better behaved when he's face to face with people than he is online, because otherwise he's a serious candidate for frequent flyer rates at the emergency room. - Jmabel | Talk 22:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, do you have anything definitive on that, so I can block the IP? - Jmabel | Talk 22:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. Then the admin who blocked forgot to put a note on the user talk page. - Jmabel | Talk 22:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah. And that admin was you. - Jmabel | Talk 22:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ottoman Map

Hey man, I have provided the source of the map:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40629000/gif/_40629371_ottoman_map416.gif

please stop reverting it to the earlier version..It is from BBC.

"I see the source, but 1683 is the darkest color. It clearly didn't have all of Egypt at that time, that's why Egypt is a lighter color (which represents an earlier year). Khoikhoi 00:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)"

Man, you are joking right... Look it is darkest color because the dark color is when those lands were taken in 1683. It doesn't mean Ottomans lost the pink colors those times and settled to the dark colors.All of those were Ottoman lands back in 1683. If you have a better source to provide that is fine. Let me see.. But if you keep vandalizing you might even get banned.

Oh, you think you are gonna get away with this... Everybody knows the truth now? I am curious though. What are you Armenian?

Come on man, are you Iranian? I bet you are...

Ok then, You are either, Kurdish or Azeri... But I don't give any chance to any of those because they both are nice people and for the truth, unlike you. By the way, I shall remind you that Truth will reveal itself. You cannot cover it up with your bureaucracies... Putting a quote from Fuzuli doesnot make you a true person, but your intentions and actions...

Need help with a move

Hey, I tried to move this page but I wasn't able to. See here to have a look at what I am talking about. Cheers! Baristarim 01:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that there is already a page Aras River, that is a redirect. It didn't work either with or without the redirect. I can copy-paste to the other article and give a redirect in the other article, but I am assuming that there is a easier way to do this.. Baristarim 02:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Ok I will check into double redirects.. Baristarim 02:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I know, I have to swallow my pride a little bit :)) What exactly is a double redirect? Just tell me and I will fix them. I have an idea, but I am not sure. Baristarim 04:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

ok, thanks! Baristarim 05:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblock request by Elsi mate (talk · contribs)

This user is requesting an unblock. I saw his blocklog and it says sockpuppet. Who's sockpuppet? Has he been making bad-faith edits? I think there is reason the block summary field has been provided for admins. Unblock the user or provide an appropriate block summary. Regards, — Nearly Headless Nick 09:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

See here, the edits seem to be similar to those of several of the confirmed socks, as does the unblock request. yandman 09:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Gah, I guess I didn't check his userpage. I have changed the block summary though. Ciao. — Nearly Headless Nick 10:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

porn link are allowed but ...

i dont understand what is your aim . there a link at http://en.wikipedia.org/Istanbul to porn sites (istanbultarihi.net ) but links related to content are not allowed .

do you PROTECT somebodies or some sites (like istanbultarihi.net) ? what is your aim ? can you explain me what your aim is?

many peoples are submitting links to wiki but i dont . why ? i can show you minimum 10000 links which are not related content .

this article ( http://www.turkcebilgi.net/tatil-yoreleri/turkiye/istanbul-8171.html ) contains intresting places of istanbul , history of İstanbul and meal belongs to istanbul. this article is related to istanbul.

if you want to remove some links , find an remove PORN LINKS from wiki. as you remember you removed my link 2 times on that page but YOU DID NOT REMOVE PORN LINK FROM THAT PAGE.

you wrote "we dont want to grow with links" but you are helping wiki to grow PORN LINKS. If you mean wiki will grow with porn link i will not visit wiki . i think wiki is the biggest encyclopaedia on internet and i want wiki to stay as an encyclopaedia. NOT A PORN LINK DIRECTORY.

i have read carefully http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:External_links guide . my link does not breaks anythink on that page. please stop removing my link from Istanbul page.

Best Regards --Trichnosis 18:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ataturk

Hi Khoikoi, i believe we have more than reached a consensus now on the talk page, with all parties agreeing the section should be removed. Can you please unlock the article so we can get on with editing it. Thanks, --A.Garnet 23:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed, thanks --A.Garnet 14:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you very much for your support. I highly appreciate it. Biruitorul 06:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

>Hey, nice work on that article. When you create a new Armenia-related article, make sure to list it at Portal:Armenia/New article announcements. You also might consider submitting it to DYK (add new suggestions at Template talk:Did you know, so it can be featured on the main page). Cheers, Khoikhoi 06:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Khoikhoi, Thanks for the tips. Will do. The TO DO list on the Western Armenian talk page looks nice. Regards. Serouj 07:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

help

Could you please take a look at the vandalism-like edits on McMahon Line by User:Bharatveer. On his/her talkpage I already asked him/her to stop, but he just removed my comments immediately. - 219.79.26.137 13:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Anything better to do?

I thought this would interest you... Niko Silver 13:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If you don't block Mark Street, you're not neutral.

Transnistria Intro

Dear Felloe Editor. Thank you for you intervention on the Transnistrian page. This intro was painstakingly agreed between us and is a compromise position of five editors including a neutral brought to balance us all. Today you notice the edit war on the intro. I ran the severe risk of being blocked but i did it beacuse I was defending a very serious and sensitive intro on a very senstive page. I know you saw that I tried everything to stop the vadalism. However, I please request The Transsnistria page INTRO to be locked for the moment until people calm down. Edit warriors are spoiling it. People not heard of in months are launching into the page.Mark us street Nov 28th 2006/

I don't agree with Mark us street (editor of Tiraspol Times), who pretend there is an agreement about introduction which never was. He was just pushing his POV and broke 3RR before the intervention of anonimous (probabily Bonny) editor. See talk page of article.--MariusM 16:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

For long time in the article Transnistria was reffered as a "region" who declared independence. Mark want to change and defined Transnistria as "country". An other problem is that Mark want to change "terorism" in "violent incidents" (we are talking about 2 explosions which killed and wounded many people). A lot of editors expressed their disapproval against Mark (me, EvilAlex, Johnatanpops, Greier, TSO1D), I believe only Mauco supported Mark.--MariusM 16:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Not the case, I refer you to Archive 8 Section 2 where the external editor brought in to settle the dispute made the negotiated change as reinserted today by me. It was the reverting of that very changed intro that caused the page to be locked. Mark us street Nov 28th 2006.

Correction

What you read was POV. Wiki has a page where 'unrecognised countries' are listed Transnistria is there. Also we cannot have consenses we can only have a compromise. This was the compromise that is why I am determined not to be bullied by the political types. We spent so long. I am happy to reopen the discussion but for now the compromised version should stay. Mark us street Nov 28

Patent Nonsense Article

Hi there, this patent nonsense article has been up for quite some time. Could you take a look at it please? Thank you.¤~Persian Poet Gal 21:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well what do you know he recreated it :P, whoops got speedied again, no problem then.¤~Persian Poet Gal 21:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Recreated once again...and yet again speedied¤~Persian Poet Gal 21:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support at RFA

I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your confidence in me, and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Cheers! -- nae'blis 22:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Move (again)

Hey, I have a similar move problem, again for a river: Can you have a look here? I am sorry that I am bugging you like this, I just don't have the technical tools to do it :) Baristarim 23:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for Partial Protection

The Armenia article seems to be constantly edited with nonsense by anonymous users. It might be useful to only allow registered users to edit for a few days or so. -- Augustgrahl 02:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

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Traditional Armenian orthography move

Hi Khoikhoi, thank you for the fix. I hadn't realized that move button and should have done my research. Kind regards. Serouj 05:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

...for your kind award. It was basically Briangott's idea to upgrade that article to featured status. Best, Ghirla 09:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, I passed. I appreciate your input. Please keep an eye on me(if you want) to see if a screw up. HighInBC 16:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Another Ataturk article question

An anon has been changing the section about the PKK if you'd like to check it out. I wrote about it on the talk page. I guess I am gunshy now --AW 17:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Question

Could you speedy delete this article that I made? -- Clevelander 21:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Clevelander 10:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Request

This guy (also here) is obviously Kaltsef (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). He's also probably all those socks here and in this type of nationalistic sites (click 'send e-mail' to see name in address), and I am really sick and tired of this constant POV push! Also this creation of his is just another hoax, for which I found absolutely no reference in the web, plus the included ref is probably a hoax also, because I can't find that either (, - even if it existed, check the books in first link (publisher imxa) to see if they are reliable)! Now what can you do about all that? Niko Silver 22:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

C'mon Khoi. You managed to get Mywayyy community banned and he never did anything wrong; sure you can do something about this guy. Also, is there some way to speedily delete Tarlis incident, or should I just redirect to Treaty of Sèvres.--Euthymios 23:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

And I forgot to mention that his [new name is a hoax also, since it is a pejorative ethnic slur of Macedonian Slavs and Bulgarians against what they consider Hellenized Slavs in Macedonia (see Macedonia (terminology) for citation). Thanks for your actions so far. Niko Silver 23:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Funniest of all is that the mere name Kaltsef in Greek is the equivalent of sock-ef! (Kaltsa means sock literally)! Niko Silver 23:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish people

If no one has reverted by the time you get this, see the use of "Iranian" in first sentence of Kurdish people. I'm not confident enough of the relevant facts to revert, but suspect it should be.--Ling.Nut 23:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Bonaparte

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User%3AIvanov_P.&diff=91064599&oldid=90911853

Wow, thanks. This guy is mental. He never stops. /FunkyFly.talk_ 04:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

That was the only one I found yesterday. I'm sure there will be more, soon enough. :-) Jayjg 21:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Ataturk

Hey, do you think it might be a good idea to semi-protect the page for a while until some of the heat dies down? Baristarim 04:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You are right, I hadn't noticed the disambig page.. I must have been really tired when I was on Wiki last nigh. I will check into it to see what the most common name is.. Baristarim 05:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I see :) Baristarim 06:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Imvroz

Dear Khoikhoi, (Your Username a little bit funny, when spell in Turkish; Koy koy!), Your Question about Gökçeada town, yes ,correct.This is the central town of the island/district. I added some(stupid- not in wiki standarts) a section for important peoples in Island history, to give a light to other contributors.. It is needed to develop,needs some sources. Also to add a list of Mayors will be good.I need some sources about them.(no records in offical web pages, I know only one Stavros Stavropulos and I am not sure about exact dates, but sure at 1965-1968 since I was there) Regards Must 07:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria Edit War

Dear Khoikhoi, The edit war on the page is most disheartening.I work tirelessly on the talk page. We reached consenses on the intro ,Archive 8 Section 2 and an outside mediator Penambuco entered the new intro. This was on Oct 30th at 14.08 hours. Since then its been all out edit war on the intro and other sections agreed such as NOT to use the word Terrorism. Also agreed external links are been deleted by uses without warning. There is a refusal to discus anything on the talk page. Can I request outside mediation and a three day Full Protection with the intro used by Penambuco to give this a cool down period. Mark us street Nov 30th 2006.

Cool

Very good! Since you finally became an admin now, you dont have to play the nice guy anymore. Reverting simple facts and writing arrogant lines like "nice try" "wish granted"... Way to go.neurobio 09:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend

Restraint before deciding to deposit innapropriate warnings of apparent personal attacks and what not with reference to a discussion which, while perhaps not entirely amicable, is far from abuse or a flame war. A read through Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks and Misplaced Pages:Do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point would quite quickly have made you realise that neither Personal attacks or disruption are ongoing at the Safavid talk page and accusing a user of either, or indeed any other kind of abuse, is really rather antagonistic when the accusation is not totally justified. Thanks. siarach 11:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yashar Kemal

You are more than offensive about Yashar Kemal.I cannot really understand the main reason of your actions. Kirjasto.sci.fi is not the best source for biographies if you can reach books, you probably know that. Why don't you prove that he is Kurdish from a source other than kirjasto.sci.fi. You are probably taught about the reliability of sources and I know about that too. I'll be waiting for your response. Thanks Caglar Koca

This guy should get banned from Misplaced Pages

Khoikhoi is a real clown. He has strange ideas about several subjects and he tries to pass those ideas at any cost.He thinks he is always right when in fact he shouldnt edit at all. I suggest other guys start making the neccessay actions to get this clown out of here. As for me Khoikhoi no matter how many times you protect those articles I ll always be there to correct your mistakes.88.218.32.232 16:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

When you make accusations, you need to provide evidence, give examples. But then, that was your only edit, so how could you have had dealings with this user in the past? Perhaps it was on anothe account, you should complain using that account. HighInBC 16:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree, I've seen some pretty strange things too. Ancient Land of Bosoni

Who do you agree with? Me or the 88? HighInBC 17:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Re-request for semi-protection of Armenia

Unfortunately, the vandalism hasn't stopped: . I think it would be appropriate to semi-protect the article from such anonymous editing. -- Augustgrahl 21:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

FF is still poor, and will be cucumber as you are a testicle as your own name, you chose it not me. (Coicoiule ce esti:-))

Tajik's fals accusations as supported by Khoikhoi

Here you go, here's some of my edits, show me where I'm stalking Tajik, or don't make false accusations against me. And please don't support his false accusations. I don't know where you are going with this, except it seems to make sure Tajik gets rid of anyone who edits Afghanistan but him, but throwing around false accusations against other editors whose edits you disagree with is not particularly constructive, and it's suprising coming from an administrator. KP Botany 21:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Def-con

Is it just me, or has the level of vandalism by anons increased in the last 48 hours? I suspect some coordination behind all this, even some of the smallest articles on my watchlist are being vandalized in small pieces. u know a silly word there, a bizarre word here, which makes them harder to detect by bots and etc.. Well I hope u r doing better.. And what's the deal with those people out to get you or something? Baristarim 22:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You might also want to take a look at this too Ushtria Çlirimtare e Çamërisë :) Baristarim 22:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

3RR violation

You know that 3RR applies to talk pages, too, right? You're in pretty obvious violation of it (as are other editors involved) for the edits made to the talk page for Rumi. I'm not taking sides here -- I know very little of Rumi -- but it seems to me that there's disagreement over whether to include him in a certain category and thus it needs to be discussed. Furthermore, marking an edit as minor is a way of indicating that it is non-controversial--you might want to re-read the policies regarding minor edits. This edit has, obviously, stirred up some controversy. I'll be popping over to the talk pages of the other involved parties, too, and responding to the post made on WP:AN/I. Cheers. -- Merope 16:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right, I miscounted. (Which is why you'll never see me helping out at the 3RR noticeboard.) Still, I think very highly of you and am surprised that you reverted more than once. I see that this issue has been discussed before but it seems that some clarification is needed, probably from the participants on the Muslim Scholars WikiProject. I'm happy to provide my (highly ignorant) third party opinion, but my guess is that more needs to be addressed than just the Rumi article. -- Merope 18:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't know anything about editing in a bad mood. :) Sounds good; I'll ask the user to weigh in. -- Merope 18:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The problem

Please, leave some more non-temporal reference as a reason for blocking, other people might complain. /FunkyFly.talk_ 19:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Jimbo Wales

Someone is calling you a racist over there. Check it out. Cbrown1023 22:55, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

A personal attack comment

Hello Khoikhoi, User:NKH submitted a personal attack about you on Jimbo's talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=91476143&oldid=91420303. I reverted the comment and issued a npa warning. Just thought I'd let you know.¤~Persian Poet Gal 23:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit wars and protection

Lol...seriously how many edit wars do you get yourself into? Every Turkey-related article is now protected hahaha...Nishkid 64 02:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Warning

On my talk page, you said: "I have some concerns of this comment of yours. It violates WP:NPA, in the sense that we shouldn't really be discussing other editors in this manner. I'm not quite sure what it proved by pointing out people's blocks logs, and such comments can only sidetrack the discussion. In fact, it was quite provocative. Please don't make such comments like that again. Violations of WP:NPA and Misplaced Pages:Harassment are considered a very serious matter—and usually end with blocks with the length being increased each time. Khoikhoi 02:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)"

Noted, however I strongly disagree with your assessment; such comments are justified in this particular context. In a RfC the topic of discussion is the editor who is subject to the RfC, but it is also relevant and sometimes even necessary to discuss the past behaviour of the other contributing editors. ´

WP:NPA states: "Remarks describing an editor's actions and made without involving their personal character should not be construed as personal attacks."

WP:STALK states: "This does not include reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason."

Finally, WP:RFC states: "An RfC may bring close scrutiny on all involved editors".

If you had contributed to that RfC I would have examined your block log in the same manner that I examined every other editor who contributed to that RfC. I would also have mentioned my own block log if it contained any items.

However, I do agree that outside of a RfC such comments would be considered inappropriate, since talk pages in Misplaced Pages are provided in order to discuss improvements in an article (which might be why you have reacted so strongly as to actually issue a warning).

On a more general note: the entire process of a Request for Comment regarding a user could be regarded as a violation of WP:NPA, WP:Harassment, and also quite provocative. --Oden 05:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)