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Cabal team of sysops/users-sock puppets undermines WP’s reliability promoting Greek nationalistic propaganda POV
A well collaborated U.K. based group of WP sysops and users has been spotted working systematically in full daily basis to promote ultra natioanalistic Greek POV, distorting related articles. They intervene in any related new article, push Greek POV edits, make edit wars, repeated reverts, permanent deletions, block users, make merges and redirects to unrelevant articles. Their main target is to monopolize articles against Turkey, Rebublic of Macedonia, Bulgaria, Albania, their minorities in Greece and their history. They attack every POV against Greece transforming it to Greekish POV. All redirects result in deletions. Practically this action is equivalent to speady deletion because redirected articles are deleted ,not included to target articles. This also prevents permanently recreating them under same name.
List of abusers involved:
- user:Khoikhoi (sysop) recently probated and unprobated, suspected multiple sock puppet
- user:Future Perfect at Sunrise (sysop)
- user:Aldux (sysop), suspected sock puppet of user:Khoikhoi
- user:Tekleni , suspected multiple sock puppet,
- user:Telex, suspected multiple sock puppet
- user:NikoSilver
- user:Euthymios
- user:Hectorian
- user:Politis
- user: AndreasJS
- user:Miskin
- user:mitsos
Some of them are suspected employees-agents of Greek National Intelligence Service (E.Y.Π.). Others are suspected members of ultra nationalistic organizations of Greek interests and some act as sockpuppets, even sysops.
The situation has become unacceptible. Chek their “contributions” and act properly. Misplaced Pages isn’t the right place to propagandize for “God elit nations” as Greece.User:prespan
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Removal of essays from your userpage
I have removed the essays from your userpage, which are a violation of copyright. Moreover, your userpage is not the place to publish political polemics, particularly racist ones, regardless of their copyright status. Please read Misplaced Pages:Userpage and do not continue to use Misplaced Pages to promote political causes. --Sam Blanning 03:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- You said the essays on my userpage are a violation of copyright. Isn't his userpage a violation of copypight??? He has the banner of a website in his userpage, and he has a large quote by Malcom X! Why am I not allowed to quote David Lane????? There is no freedom of speech in Misplaced Pages... Mitsos 20:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Those quotes are probably fair use in that context, vastly different to the extent to which you have copied essays. The image you refer to is released under the GFDL. You're quite right; there is no freedom of speech here. This is an encyclopaedia, not an experiment in anarchy. If you continue to violate copyright and userpage policy, you will be blocked. --Sam Blanning 20:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- So, the Malcom X quote is "fair use". Why isn't the David Lane quote "fair use"? What is that "vast difference"? Can you explain me? He is advertising a site, why can't I advertise a site against Turkey in Europe?? I have only kept those essays. Mitsos 21:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please keep this conversation in one place by replying on this page.
- Well, for a start, he follows up the quote with some discussion of it. For another, the quote and the context is in isn't overtly offensive to most people. We are not having a discussion where you try to justify hosting Neo-Nazi essays as a legitimate use of the userpage Wikimedia provides to you, end of story. --Sam Blanning 21:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- So, the Malcom X quote is "fair use". Why isn't the David Lane quote "fair use"? What is that "vast difference"? Can you explain me? He is advertising a site, why can't I advertise a site against Turkey in Europe?? I have only kept those essays. Mitsos 21:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Those quotes are probably fair use in that context, vastly different to the extent to which you have copied essays. The image you refer to is released under the GFDL. You're quite right; there is no freedom of speech here. This is an encyclopaedia, not an experiment in anarchy. If you continue to violate copyright and userpage policy, you will be blocked. --Sam Blanning 20:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
So, the problem with "my" essays is that they are not "politically correct" right? What else is wrong with "neo-nazi essays"? "the quote and the context is in isn't overtly offensive to most people." It is "overtly offensive" to me. Anyway, since many other Wikipedians have essays in their userpage, you don't have the right to remove the essays from my userpage just because you don't agree with them. Mitsos 21:23, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- I already told you that this is not a forum for unregulated free speech, so trotting out tediously over-used political insults like "politically correct" isn't going to make any impression on me. The non-negotiable part is copyright. The fact that they're offensive to most of the community you're part of is secondary. --Sam Blanning 21:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I 've already asked: why the David Lane quote can't be considered "fair use"? About "No to Turkey" section, I 'm advertising a site just like he does, so I don't think there is a problem. Mitsos 21:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- To be honest, I'm not interested in defending his userpage. If you like you can ask on WP:ANI and see whether they consider it acceptable, but I'm not going to remove stuff from that userpage just to make you happy. --Sam Blanning 22:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Archiving
Read this: Misplaced Pages:How to archive a talk page. Ch(b)eers. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Martinp23 22:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Be careful with the 3-revert rule! It is a trap more every new editor!--Yannismarou 12:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you.--Yannismarou 12:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
RE Your comments on my talk page
I don't want you blocked so desperately. I'm acting as advocate for spylab, and he has asked me to help him compose an RfC. →Bobby← 12:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's not so much about whether or not he's "right" or you're "right". As an advocate, I volunteer to help editor's with any problems they run into while using wikipedia. Spylab came to me asking for help, so I'm going to help him. →Bobby← 14:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- The subpage you refer to is being used to compose an RfC. We are merely compiling examples (taken directly from your contribs) which seem to stray frightfully close to violating various aspects of WP policy. We have no obligation to stay within the confines of the Hrisi Avgi article while doing this. While it may seem accusatory, please keep in mind that every diff shown on the page is an actual edit made by you. As such, I would encourage you to read through them and see if there is any truth to Spylab's case against you. As to the second part of your question, I will simply say that Spylab is disengaging (part of the DR process) from you in order to try and avoid exchanges that may be uncivil or unproductive. He feels as if he has already made his views heard by you, and now wishes to allow for greater community input. →Bobby← 14:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- You have only been blocked for personal attacks once (which only covered one of the personal attacks cited). As to the other posts, many of them violate NPOV and others come close to it. Some use misleading edit summaries (which goes against the policy on edit summaries). Others are just disruptive, or failing to assume good faith. If you do not see how these edits run askew to WP policy, I would encourage you to head over to WP:WP and spend some time browsing through the various pages. →Bobby← 15:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I can't really say when it will end. You can always apply for unprotection on the Admin Noticeboard. →Bobby← 16:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- You have only been blocked for personal attacks once (which only covered one of the personal attacks cited). As to the other posts, many of them violate NPOV and others come close to it. Some use misleading edit summaries (which goes against the policy on edit summaries). Others are just disruptive, or failing to assume good faith. If you do not see how these edits run askew to WP policy, I would encourage you to head over to WP:WP and spend some time browsing through the various pages. →Bobby← 15:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- The subpage you refer to is being used to compose an RfC. We are merely compiling examples (taken directly from your contribs) which seem to stray frightfully close to violating various aspects of WP policy. We have no obligation to stay within the confines of the Hrisi Avgi article while doing this. While it may seem accusatory, please keep in mind that every diff shown on the page is an actual edit made by you. As such, I would encourage you to read through them and see if there is any truth to Spylab's case against you. As to the second part of your question, I will simply say that Spylab is disengaging (part of the DR process) from you in order to try and avoid exchanges that may be uncivil or unproductive. He feels as if he has already made his views heard by you, and now wishes to allow for greater community input. →Bobby← 14:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Your edit to Incident at Tarlis
Your recent edit to Incident at Tarlis (diff) was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to recognize and repair vandalism to Misplaced Pages articles. If the bot reverted a legitimate edit, please accept my humble creator's apologies – if you bring it to the attention of the bot's owner, we may be able to improve its behavior. Click here for frequently asked questions about the bot and this warning. // AntiVandalBot 12:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Blanking a page does not delete it. If you think the article is no good, you should put {{subst:afd}} at the top then follow the instructions. — CharlotteWebb 12:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- Mitsos, blanking an article on an alleged Greek war crime seems inconsistent to me, considering your tooth and nail involvement to preserve every half-baked allegation in Allied war crimes during World War II. Incident at Tarlis does have a source, despite your edit summary saying the contrary, but I agree the source needs to be translated to English and more sources need to be found. However, the article is scarcely a day old, and a lot of work seems to have gone into it. You yourself helped set the standard for verifiability very low when it comes to war crimes. Now you should live with it. Why don't you quit revert-warring with the anti-vandal bot and give the article a chance? And no more lies in the edit summaries. I can tolerate your stupid POV, but dishonesty makes it almost impossible to work together. Haber 14:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't lying. The source does not seems to be verifiable, I mean it doesn't even have a ISBN! Mitsos 16:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- It seems to me that a reasonable contributor would call that unverifiable, or poorly sourced, and try to track down the source or find better ones. Blanking an important article less than 24 hours after creation, with a false comment in the edit summary, does not improve the encyclopedia. Haber 22:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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