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Re: Starforce

Hi, Lovelight. Don't worry that your first steps into the world of Misplaced Pages have been difficult. From what I have seen from your contributions so far it is clear that you are a passionate, thoughtful person who is willing to put some effort into trying to create something good. In other words, you would be a great Wikipedian :P Anyway, I'm a little preoccupied at the moment with things unrelated to WP, but you can rest assured that I will be keeping a close eye on the StarForce article to ensure that there is no bias or unverified information that survives or creeps in the article. I hope you'll stick around and contribute more to our encyclopedia. There are over a million subjects to write about, so if you find that you run into conflicts there are surely other articles where your contributions will be more welcome. I noticed you said you were writing an article for a gaming magazine. In case you're interested, me and a few other Wikipedians run the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Computer and video games, where we would certainly appreciate your input in the discussion. Take care and hope to see you around! Cheers, jacoplane 23:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

LInkspam

Please stop adding linkspam to article talkpages as you have been doing repeatedly to the September 11, 2001 attacks article. It does nothing to help us make the article better. Thanks.--MONGO 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you're here to disrupt...start being productive and stop insulting others.--MONGO 12:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It's the other way around Mongo, and you know it… --Lovelight

Your Myspace?

Hi Lovelight, is that your myspace URL on the 'user page' ?

Nope, not my doing… That movie is particularly good tool, that's all. Have you seen this trailer? Lovelight 14:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I read through your completely valid and important points at the 9/11 discussion page. I gotta say that Mongo is a fucking imbecile by the sounds of his text entries.. and to think people like him are admins here? *shudders* I quit contributing to wiki months ago after doing it for around 1 year. The arseholes who admin and pseudo-admin this page site are fucking legion and insufferable imo, cocksuckers like that brainwashed missing link get my fucking goat no end.

Oh, but you shouldn’t have leaved, it is sad whenever quorum leaves forum:)… Stick around, arguments are arguments, logic is logical, Mongo and his drugz will bow to the facts… Lovelight 14:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

These links may be old to you, but if not def visit plz.. very esp this 1st one which has a 1 hour documentary / lecture which led me to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. The ppl putting forward the evidence and theories are professors, civil engineers and M.I.T. physics graduates with decades of theoretical and practical experience in the laws of thermodynamics and physics and also in reality. (<--- you listening Mongo?)

http://911revisited.com <---- 1 hour film here, essential viewing bro!

http://www.reopen911.org/

best wishes bro, The Late Great Bill Hicks

Thanks brother…this sort of data will be referenced sooner then later… Lovelight 14:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


This documentary is also essential viewing Lovelight.

"9/11 Mysteries" (watch this and learn about controlled demolitions) http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-6708190071483512003&hl=en

TLGBH

Hi L.L., I often see on these talk pages people saying things along the line of "its all conspiricy crackpots who question the official story.. where are cerdible doubters?" This first link lists a large number of credible patriots who openly question 9/11. (the second link is where I obtained the first link from) And feel free to delete anything I have posted on your page here, if it's getting to cluttered or if you are getting any hassle for any of my comments.

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/southpark_911_episode_on_conspiracy.htm

regards, TLGBH

I thought these links may interest you LoveLight ;

US Army Announces Readiness for Total Military Takeover of America http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/us_army_announces_readiness_takeover_usa.htm


Keith Olbermann criticizes Bush http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7150467909517615896&q=keith+olbermann


Doomsday For The Internet As We Know It? http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/internet_doomsday_for_internet.htm


Also I was wondering why the information from the http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/ link isn't mentioned or listed on the 9/11 page.. the link has quotes from members of the Republican party, US Army Generals, Ex CIA employees and many others who all openly, publically and vehemently disagree with the official 9/11 story. If their opinions on the tragedy aren't relevant to the 9/11 page then I dont know what is.

fbi

Hi, I've continued the discussion on: Talk:September_11,_2001_attacks/FBI_poster_controversy#Continued_discussion_from_talk_page. Would you please take a look? &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 10:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Your link title

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FYI

have you seen this discussion at the village pump?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/September_11%2C_2001_Attacks#Involved_parties my mistake on this. if you could inform the other involved parties (and fix mongo's) with the proper page, that would be appreciaed. I'm getting off

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Help us craft a real encylopedia article

HI Lovelight. I think the tactics the Feds are using are just to wear us down, frustrate us and get us to go away. It would be much more fruitful to spend some time editing the redraft article and return later when their guard may be down. And also when we've bult a strong concesnus among not Federal employees (I'm tole the wiki word for them is clowns) for the new version. --Cplot 23:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

an article of possible interest to you

The Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda_timeline article is in serious need of attention. It presents numerous Conspiracy Theories regarding alleged ties between Saddam/Iraq and al Qaeda as fact, when these theories have been refuted, rejected, denied and discounted by the U.S. Government, various U.S. Governmental hearings and commissions, and almost all the respected experts, many of whom are retired U.S. Intelligence. This is a clear case of misusing Wiki to advance fallacious and discredited Conspiracy Theories. Perhaps you could help there. Thanks in advance. - F.A.A.F.A. 00:09, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I can only imagine how are things there… in the trenches;)… I'll try to peek soon… brrr… Lovelight 16:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you give me your sources?

This involves the 9/11 article. I'd like some links to your sources for Jones, et al. so I can try to end the debate and solve the POV problems. You can either put them on September 11, 2001 attacks, under the section called WOT or on my talk page.--I need a vacation 18:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Certainly, but let us both relax for this weekend… I'm in heavy multitasking as it is, and I need a vacation as well… have a good one, weekend, that is…;) Lovelight 15:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan/Evidence

I took a risky move and removed some of your comments from this page. I really didn't understand your argument, and I didn't understand why you included this letter, which made no sense. If this is a problem, I will immediatly restore those comments. The best evidence you have is the quotes from MONGO. Please let me know what you want me to do. i have not worked with you before, but I have seen your edits agains and again on the Sept 11 attack page, so I hope you are not offended. Travb (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I restored those edits: when Nuclear messsaged me. I would suggest rewritting your section. Travb (talk) 20:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course it’s a problem. From my perspective that letter is quite an embarrassment (for me before anyone;), and it wasn’t easy to stick it there. However, I believe that it serves its purpose and that reasoning and intentions are made clear… If there is more need of clarification I'll add some of the answers I've got to that particular unblock request… they are even more embarrassing, but this time for whole wiki… I'd say that there is no need to go there, and I'd say that there was no need for MONGO to go there too… Apart from that, its pleasure to meet you. Lovelight 15:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect use of a POV-tag.

In this edit you added a POV-tag to a talk article. POV-tags are for main articles only. So now you know, and won't do it again, right? --Regebro 15:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Undoubtedly, and you won't misinterpret my intentions or disrupt the flow of discussions, it's not decent thing to do… so now that you know it you wont repeat it, right? Lovelight 15:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't be silly. I can not promise to not make mistakes. I never misinterpret something on purpose, which I'm sure you know. And I have not disrupted the flow of the discussions in any way. You however, by copying part of discussions for absolutely no reason, so that they appear twice, and by still refusing to indent properly, are constantly disrupting the discussions. However, I have no hope of you stopping that, so I won't ask you to. --Regebro 16:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Just for record…
Addition is quite clear I believe, imo the section is more then appropriate, if you would prefer a different one say so but I believe it should be brief and to the point. Have my apologies for such inappropriate reply, but your accusations of me reposting and disturbing the flow of thought in the moment in which I tried to summarize it and restore it did throw me of the track there… there is also this issue of repeating, since you keep repeating how I should state the case while case was constantly swimming in this little flow of thought we have here;). We had a few disagreements yesterday… let's leave them there? Lovelight 12:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Lovelight 16:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Whitehouse using Misplaced Pages for Propoganda (having you been following the suprression of this message)

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Check the Village Pump News history for just one example. I gotta go. --GenericClownTaunt 19:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Lies, bloody lies and conspiracy theories

I would appreciate it if you deleted Cplots sockpuppets lies about me (and I assume everybody else mentioned) from your talk-page. I don't particularily approve of poeple lying about my person, as you maybe can understand. --Regebro 00:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)