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There are a few guidelines for my talk page and, while I will never completely delete a comment made on this page, I may move it to another (probably sub-page) if it does not comply with these simple guidelines.

1. This is a safe space. You can say whatever you like on this page without fear of retribution or attack, from me or other users.
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This guidelines are hierarchised from top to bottom so, for instance, a personal attack against another user will not be covered under the "free speech" guideline and will be moved.

So please, leave a message or anything else here. I will always try to respond to your messages (excepting brief acknowledgements and the like which are simply responses to mine), and I will answer on your talk page, unless the thread on my page contains more than one user. In the case that I respond on your page, I will usually copyover your comment to preserve cohesion.

You may also want to read my note on pronouns.

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I'm currently mediating:

Talk:Yoshiaki Omura/Mediation
Talk:Starwood Festival/mediation

RfC

I opened an RfC regarding Fairness And Accuracy For All, it is located at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Fairness And Accuracy For All and would appreciate you comments if you have any. This message is being posted to anyone's talk page who it seems has had much contact with the user in question.

I know you interaction has been breif but its also been neutral. --NuclearZer0 22:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just to give you an update I have little to do with Democratic Underground and the issue with FAAFA that I have takes place mainly outside of that. I had compiled a page following what I felt were bad edits to a noticeboard and have kept it since, this was while he was editing under NBGPWS (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). After he changed his name I kept the list of incidents and it just happens that many of the people coincide with that articles as they seem to know eachother off wiki, or butted heads in the past. That is why it seems odd that I am introducing it. I am not involved in the Democratic Underground debate at all, the issue stems from outside of it, but contains many of the same people. --NuclearZer0 03:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Attention

Your attention is requred at Talk:Democratic Underground. JBKramer 20:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

You are far too kind, CheNuevara. Your comments were so nice, thank you for them! -- Natalya 23:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

RfC

Thanks for your unbiased input on the RfC, Che. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with these. Let me ask -- Is it helpful for me to point out the similar violations of my accusers, to illustrate that this was a two-way street?

Here for instance, is documentation of one editor and tormentor creating a sock puppet, solely to taunt and bait me, and even admitting to it.

tbeatty's taunting sock - Thanks - F.A.A.F.A. 07:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually it was created in response to your special friends enemies list. You were lacking a Super Friends enemies list so I added a user to it.--Tbeatty 07:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you intend to deal with the dispute, or just the users slapping at eachoter? JBKramer 17:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey

: Lol, Che. Nice to know that someone agrees with me occasionally. BTW, why are people so hung up about their edit counts? Get over 500/1000 - it all becomes are bit irrelevant, no? Also BTW, you might like to know that I voted for Kim (Bruning) in the board elections, so no hard memories of the minor scrap at your old RFA, right? Cheers, Moreschi 21:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Help and Advice on Starwood Mediation?

I sort of got a recommendation from User:Addhoc that you could possibly give some advice on the Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival. Mediation seems rather stalled for the moment and we have no mediator in charge. Related to this is Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Mattisse as well. I'm uncertain whether we should move on to WP:RFAR or what. Since things seem to be heading to another edit war, I'd really like some input from a more experienced hand at this. We really need a help with this situation. If nothing else, we could use feedback on this situation if you have the time to do so. Also FYI, I'm also mentioning this to User:Ars Scriptor, another recommendation from Addhoc. Thanks. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 19:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Che -- I think the Starwood spamming is clear case of policy violation, therefore not a case for mediation. I think Ars Scriptor's comments about WP:BAND, and how that is a precedent for no internal links from perfomers/presenters to the festival, are relevant. I don't think this case should have ever gone to mediation. As I seriously doubt anyone who is familiar with WP linkspam policies would support this google bombing attempt, how could a "neutral" mediator who is also familiar with WP policy even be found? In addition to WP policy, I think the consensus on the charges against Matisse show community consensus that it was a clear-cut case of spamming. So, my question is, what's the best way to deal with the spammers at this point? --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 23:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

More on Starwood Mediation

Thank you for your offer to mediate the Starwood mediation (is that a proper sentence?) I would welcome you in that role. I am willing to attend in good faith. I won't throw tantrums. I'll listen to advice. I'll try to be civil at all times and will apologize if I overstep civil discourse. (Now if everyone would just agree to these things as well...) --Pigman (talk • contribs) 04:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Che - Just to clarify my statement above: I didn't mean to declare that the attempted mediation should be abandoned. Rather that, given some of what has (or has not) transpired, I question whether it was the most effective or appropriate approach to the situation. Perhaps the RfC should have been done first, and maybe the problem could have been taken care of that way. But if you think you can get mediation to work with the parties involved, I certainly welcome you to come on in as mediator :-) --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 06:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer of mediation. Might I ask a question regarding how you might conduct the mediation? Will you insist that the mediation address current issues? What will be your policy toward parties who raise user conduct accusations that have already been list on WP:AN/I or in user conduct RfC's? Please let me know if you have plans to deal with such situations. Thanks. Sincerely --BostonMA 12:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I would be absolutely thrilled to have a mediator actually mediate the issues. —Hanuman Das 13:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I withdraw from the proposed meditation and also completely from the situation so please don't refuse the medation b/c of me. I proved to myself and at my own expense that User:Mattisse gets to play by different rules than the rest of us, and I make it a policy not to play with a stacked deck. If you don't know what I mean, I was indef blocked for making a single joke edit (non-abusive, non-libellous and non-ban-evading) with an alternate account, while User:Mattisse is still here after using 18 socks, some of them abusively. Please carry on without me, I'll not impede the mediation or remove or replace Starwood links, though I reserve the right to edit the articles in other ways. Sincerely, —Hanuman Das 23:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Your mediation is fine with me. Will you open a new mediation page for it? Will it be MedCab or MedCom? Ekajati (yakity-yak) 15:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Greetings, Che - I would be happy to have you mediate the issue. Unlike BostonMa, however, I do believe that a look at the history of this issue is important, and the behavior of the people who have initiated it. I feel that my actions have been steered by the very people who turned around and objected to them, some of whom have made some rather nasty accusations and assumptions of bad faith, and now seem to want to set the bars much higher on the standards for inclusion of input than usual. Kathryn's statement above is an example: 3 statements on the futility or inappropriatness of the mediation, 3 accusations of spamming and one of "google-bombing" in a single paragraph! My attempts to find a middle-ground position and my removal of external links seem to only encourage this. I would welcome an objective view. Rosencomet 20:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Changes to WikiProject Buffyverse (aka When Info Goes Poof)

I discovered this is already being discussed. :) And there is also a more appropriate place for the discussion as well. Feel free to delete away. Not sure how to remove this completely from your talk page. Sorry for any inconvience. QuinnZadok 14:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Future of Adopt-a-user

Hi there - with Flameviper leaving Adopt-a-user for the next generation to take on, and your obvious interest in the project, I was hoping you would find to comment and help out with some suggestions for the future of the project. Please see Misplaced Pages talk:Adopt-a-User. Many thanks Lethaniol 15:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Starwood meditation

Thanks! And nobody else had posted yet. I love it when I get to define the discourse before everybody starts accusing each other ;-) Ekajati (yakity-yak) 14:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

neutrally and succinctly?

I'm reluctant to respond to Pigman's post on the mediation site since you asked us not to, but I think he's straying into motives and away from the issue, and using negative terms like "gratuitous" and "with little regard" (unlike the other contributors so far). I'm not whining, I just hate to leave his statement unchallenged (which I could do on several points). Rosencomet 19:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)