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Recommend deletion of article

If any evidence were needed for the sad state of Misplaced Pages, this article is it. 75.165.58.82 (talk) 19:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

We usually give reasons for deleting articles rather than snark. Shabidoo | Talk 20:06, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

How about this, then? As some skeptic podcasts have said, this website lies beyond the pale of rigorous criticism because it's obviously the product of a disturbed mind, and mental illness is neither funny nor is its logic open to serious analysis.68.135.56.115 (talk) 00:23, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

The reason you gave is not a valid reason to delete the article. Mein Kampf was written by a man with a disturbed mind and yet we still have an enormous article on it...and several strange books written by minor figures have also garnered notable attention and have articles. Just because it is a confusing (if not meaningless rant) book not worthy of academic study...doesn't mean it is not a notable subject for an article. Try to quote an actual policy rather than personal distaste. Shabidoo | Talk 00:38, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

By that logic, a lot of literature may be missing from Misplaced Pages. Off the top of my head, "Galileo Was Wrong" is a modern geocentric book with thousands of pages. I found it a while back from Wiki's "Modern Geocentrism" article, which has been deleted. So while I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, this all begs the question of what exactly is the metric for page inclusion in cases like Time Cube, and even moreso for equally pseudoscientific ideas that have larger bases of adherents and published works (versus one man, and the many who mock him). Is it determined by the woeful inaccuracy, internet popularity, impact on personal lives or the educational system, exhaustiveness/effort/artistry/complexity, mental state/personal life of author, or deviation from established thought? Or not the work itself, but how well its existence and reaction to it illustrates ideas about the nature of philosophy, religion, culture, history, human behavior, cognitive dissonance, and so on? In short, is Time Cube worth inclusion in an encyclopedia? If so, by what measures and how are they applied to other works? And if not, is it Wiki's place to indirectly yet essentially erase its historical existence, since it would remain one of the few places that covered it as time passed? What is Wiki's responsibility in terms of items whose very inclusion or exclusion implies condemnation or support, based on the question-ability of why it's considered encyclopedic content? 174.20.45.107 (talk) 19:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Sic transit gloria cubi

Domain parking page as of 31 August. I just noticed today. Last IA snapshot 18 August. Any news coverage of this yet? - David Gerard (talk) 21:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Here we are: The Verge, Gizmodo - David Gerard (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

As of 2015-09-15: Time Cube is back, but the code has been hacked. There is a <iframe ...> near the end which redirects to a spam site. My ad blocker kills it, but without the ad blocker the spam page appears. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.203.96 (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

It is still like that so I guess Ray either doesn't know about it or, quite possibly, knows but doesn't know how to fix it. I don't know whether there is any malware on the site it redirects to. Should we temporarily disable our links to it, just in case it is a risk to our readers? --DanielRigal (talk) 17:31, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Third and more likely possibility is that somebody else now owns the domain, and is deliberately hosting a copy of the earlier site, now with a spam redirect. Per WP:LINKSTOAVOID we should not link to compromised sites and should put them on the spam blacklist. I've cut the links and will suggest blacklisting. --McGeddon (talk) 17:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

If https://twitter.com/wisest_human is Ray's real Twitter handle, then in 2010 he was 82 years of age and had cancer. Is it possible that he simply died and lost the ability to renew the site? Rovingrobert (talk) 05:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I did a text comparison of the source code of the current version and a Wayback Machine crawl from April. They are bit-for-bit identical.--50.89.10.233 (talk) 17:02, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Blacklisted Links Found on Time Cube

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• https://web.archive.org/web/20080709075217/http://www.timecube.com/

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• https://web.archive.org/web/20150818113418/http://www.timecube.com/timecubeflierimg.gif

  Triggered by \btimecube\.com\b on the local blacklist

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Hmmm. So it does a simple substring match on the URL? That is unfortunate. In this case the archive.org version is perfectly safe but still matches. --DanielRigal (talk) 07:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I suppose that makes sense, otherwise spammers could just link to recent archive.org copies of their pages.

We could request whitelisting of these particular URLs - the first one seems useful to have somewhere so that the reader can actually see what the Time Cube site looked like, but the second seems redundant (it's supporting a $1,000 prize for disproving him when we have an actual secondary source supporting $10,000). --McGeddon (talk) 07:50, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I have hidden the messages for now, so most readers probably won't notice it anyway. You could try the whitelist approach as well of course. GermanJoe (talk) 12:15, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

The URL is still compromised (as of now), I have reverted an IP edit claiming otherwise. GermanJoe (talk) 07:48, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure? I did a text comparison of the source code of the current version and a Wayback Machine crawl from April. They are bit-for-bit identical.--50.89.10.233 (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

This morning, shortly before my revert, the link was still redirecting to a survey spam page. Now it shows a different page "TIME CUBE 4ce", which is possibly the correct site - at least it looks like it. GermanJoe (talk) 18:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

It appears the correct website is there now, it shows the 10,000 reward. I will fix the article. --Frmorrison (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

For context, archive.org shows the site as being blank apart from some dodgy-looking Javascript redirect code, from late August through to September 12. From a whois, timecube dot com expired on August 24 and is registered with Network Solutions who apparently do this with expired domains. The archive.org history returns to normal on September 12, perhaps when the original owner restored the domain, or when someone else bought it up and decided to host the old content there.

If we're happy that the site is now safe, we should take it off the MediaWiki blacklist. --McGeddon (talk) 15:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

As of May 20, 2016, The domain 'timecube.com' seems to have been renewed, though there's no web host that responds to queries at it. You can do a 'whois' of a domain, and it shows creation date: 1997-08-25T04:00:00Z, expiration date: 2016-08-24T04:00:00Z, Tech Name: Ray, Gene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.185.211.194 (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

User:DanielRigal says that they're still getting redirected to a spam page, months later. Any chance this a cached copy of an old version of the site? It's fine when I look at it, and that's without any ad-blockers or anything. (It looks like the URL never got taken off of the blacklist, either way.) --McGeddon (talk) 23:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I cleared my cache so, if it is cached, it isn't locally to me. Let me try something:

• Fires up Chromium (not my usual browser)
• Clears cookies and cache.
• Goes to www . timecube . com
• Gets redirected to a blank page on dsnextgen . com. Notes that the page source of the blank page is "<html><head></head><body><!-- vbe --></body></html>"
• Googles dsnextgen and finds that it is regarded as a malware site.
• Goes back to www . timecube . com and views source. There is an iframe there. That contains other stuff on other sites. Presumably, underneath a few more layers of turtles, will be the redirect somewhere.

So my theory is that many people are using Windows with a virus scanner that detects and quietly blocks the redirect while I, using Linux, am safe without such a scanner so I get redirected to the malware site, not that it can hurt me.

Only other possibilities I can see are transparent caching at my ISP (not sure how to check that) or some browser/OS specific content on the pages.

--DanielRigal (talk) 10:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Blacklisted Links Found on Time Cube

Cyberbot II has detected links on Time Cube which have been added to the blacklist, either globally or locally. Links tend to be blacklisted because they have a history of being spammed or are highly inappropriate for Misplaced Pages. The addition will be logged at one of these locations: local or global If you believe the specific link should be exempt from the blacklist, you may request that it is white-listed. Alternatively, you may request that the link is removed from or altered on the blacklist locally or globally. When requesting whitelisting, be sure to supply the link to be whitelisted and wrap the link in nowiki tags. Please do not remove the tag until the issue is resolved. You may set the invisible parameter to "true" whilst requests to white-list are being processed. Should you require any help with this process, please ask at the help desk.

Below is a list of links that were found on the main page:

• https://web.archive.org/web/20080709075217/http://www.timecube.com/

  Triggered by \btimecube\.com\b on the local blacklist

• https://web.archive.org/web/20150818113418/http://www.timecube.com/timecubeflierimg.gif

  Triggered by \btimecube\.com\b on the local blacklist

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AfD again

"It is not even wrong". I vote for its deletion. Zezen (talk) 22:45, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

doctor's degree

Does he really have a PhD? Couldn't find anything about it, just that he started to call himself Dr. in 2002. ----

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