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Wonderful article! This is definitely a very useful reference the way this page and the pages it links to are developing.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 20:36, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Ayat

Would anyone object to my removing the linking of the word ayat after each Surah? I say this because it is listed in the introduction and there so there is no point in linking it each time is there? granted this is a list and not a typical article. Well, give your opinions.

Fair enough, if you can be bothered! ;) - Mustafaa 23:42, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I just did it, I was supposed to feel fulfilled yet I only feel more empty. :( meaning, since it was a list maybe it looked better before. I know in paragraphs too many links makes it worse, but here maybe it didn't. I don't know. Someone else feel free to judge (and revert if they want).

Well, if it's any comfort, I'm very grateful that you added the numbers of ayat. That makes a real difference. - Mustafaa 11:07, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

good job. dab (ᛏ) 11:39, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sura template

Dbachmann made Template:sura in order for us to easily change all of the sura linking at once instead of having to change each individual page. Anyone who want can begin to change over the html that is now in the pages to use the template if they wish, an example is already done with Al-Fatiha.
Usage: {{Sura|Nr|preceding|following}}, and you get:

Thanks gren

Oh, I finished before I left. Ok. gren

fr:Sourate

I think I will try to make a (although than prettier) table like on the French page and also I will try to read through the information to see how much of it should be added at the intro. I am not the best at translating or reading French but I will try and of course corroborate anything with sources in my native language. gren 05:53, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually, any of the pages that have lists better than ours will be a good model... like the German or Netherlands. Why does Germany have a list and a page for what sura is. gren 06:13, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think I'm the only one who reads this but I have started editting the Dutch version here (]) and any help would be fine... also, translation of the footnotes would be a great help so I don't have to just remove them. Thanks. gren 17:44, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi gren, maybe I could help you out here, as I am the one that wrote the footnotes on the dutch version...Let me know if you still need my help, drop me a line here: ] (I'm rarely online on the english wiki). MartijnL 12:05, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ayat

Is it appropriate to have articles specifically for Ayah 1, Ayah 2, Ayah 3, ... Ayah 6000.... etc. ?

There is a VfD discussing this as a precedent - Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/Matthew 1:verses. 2 July 2005 14:54 (UTC)

Removing full text

Wikisource is the place for full text, not wikipedia. Going by the decision to remove the full text of NT bible chapters, and instead link to wikisource, I have been doing the same for the Surahs. I wanted to make sure that this wasn't going to be controversial, and perhaps enlist some help in implimenting the necessary changes. I might also propose deleting the stub articles that have no content, such as

"Surat Al-Muminun (Arabic: سورة المؤمنون ) (The Believers) is the 23rd sura of the Qur'an with 118 ayat."

That information can be found on the main Sura page, and I believe redlinks from the main list will show users which pages have expansive articles and which ones are 'stubs' without having to click on every link (for example, look at the chapter template on the Gospel of John article.)--Andrew c 19:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Suwar or suras ?

Apparently, the plural of the word sura is suwar. I'd like to use suwar, but maybe suras is so ingrained in the English language that suras may even be the correct plural of sura. Can someone clarify this ? MP (talk) 13:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Sura page naming

Some user recently changed Al-Fatiha to Surah Al-Fatihah. I reverted because of a lack of discussion but I figured it's a worthwhile question. I know other languages seek "sura" as the prefix as part of the naming... do you think we should? And, when should we add the 'h' Is there a scholarly form of tranliteration we should adhere to? I know some adhere to the "International Journal of Middle Eastern Studies" but... I am not sure how transliteration would even work through that system. Any ideas? gren グレン 08:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Sura or Surrah

Perhaps the other transliteration should also be mentioned. Lots of Indian Muslims transliterate as "Surrah" in addition to "Sura" to avoid confusion with the Sanskrit/Hindu phrase "Sura" or "Sur" (Man). Hkelkar 13:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)