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Category:Greek colonies in CrimeaИзвини, просто в WP:NC написано очень много всего, не мог бы ты меня ткнуть носом конкретно в место, касающееся нашего случая? Я ей Богу, не понимаю, зачем удалять-то названия, какой от них вред? Как я понимаю, мы пишем оригинальное название (то есть на языке жителей, населявших город - в нашем случае это греческий), латинское название, потому что именно под латинскими именами эти города фигурируют во многих исторических источниках, и названия на языке/языках, которые сейчас употребляются в данной местности (таких языков три). Если очень хочется оставить из современных языков какой-то один, то этот один - украинский (единственный официальный язык). Воевать из-за этого мне лень, но я всё же искренне не понимаю, какой будет вред англоязычному читателю, если он узнает украинское и крымскотатарское названия. Don Alessandro 17:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
{{loire}}Woa, that looks awesome! DVD+ R/W 19:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
CheckHey Ghirlandajo, would you mind checking my edit to Tartu (and related comments at Talk:Tartu#Translations. and Talk:Haapsalu)? Olessi 20:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Category: Defunct town in RussiaPlease see my proposal in Category_talk:Defunct_towns_in_Russia Vmenkov 23:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC) Category:Ancient peoples of RussiaI do not think this category is such a good idea. It is an anachronism. It will invite creation of even more problematic categories such as "of Ukraine", "of Moldavia", "of Switzerland", "of Iraq". Unlike China or India, "Russia" refers to a nation (state) but not to a geographic region in general. "Ancient peoples of Siberia", "of the Pontic steppe", etc. would make more sense, and these can still be in "Category:History of Russia". Also, regarding Proto-Indo-Europeans and Indo-Aryans, these are prehistoric peoples, assumed to have lived in parts of what is now Russia. This is too uncertain, you should at least restrict yourself to historical people, beginning with the Scythians. dab (ᛏ) 15:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
we should think about this some more. there is no deadline :) all I am saying is that we have to be careful how to structure Category:History of Russia: it has a huge scope, and it is obvious it needs some sub-structure, but the question is complicated. I am creating Category:Scythia at the moment, which is for all things related to Scythia that doesn't necessary concern the Scythians themselves. I am not quite convinced this is a very good idea either... dab (ᛏ) 16:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC) -- re Komedes, oh dear, this must have the same author as Asii. I am sure there is some value in it, but it has to be reviewed. Regarding the wagon image of the Государственный Эрмитаж, it is a very cool image. Do we have editors in Petersburg, maybe, who could take a GFDL snapshot from the museum directly? dab (ᛏ) 16:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Andrey! I see that you have removed an edit I wrote to the article about Pskov. I agree fully, that Pskov has never been a Finnish town, nor an Estonian. My point was merely to give a Finnish translitteration to the noun 'Pskov', if anyone might be interested from that. As Finland has many historical and geographical ties with Russia, as you might already know, it is only reasonable that also a Finnish translitteration of 'Pskov' (i.e. Pihkova) is given. DYK
Thousands of fair use images at your disposalLook what I found Большая Советская Энциклопедия. Thousands of 1970s images from the 3rd edition that can be uploaded under fair use for anything. Also right now I have the original 1950s 2nd edition of the encyclopedia in 50+ hardbacks with excellent PD images in them. Any requests? Here is a taster Новгород. --Kuban Cossack 13:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Is the board deadI think I'm missing something - what do you mean? --Mcginnly | Natter 22:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Carlo Rossi (architect)Hi Ghirla, could you take a look at this when you have a chance? Especially the phrases <<командирован в Кремлевскую экспедицию в Москву>> and <<Перезахоронен в Некрополе>>, which I couldn't quite translate. Also if you see anything else to add or that needs editing, please do. Thanks, DVD+ R/W 08:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC) Image:Sovchampagne.jpg listed for deletionAn image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Sovchampagne.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —Chowbok ☠ 20:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
TondrakiansZdorovo, do you think this is DYKable: Tondrakians ?--Eupator 21:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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Macarius IA propos on Macarius I: how should we format the nameы of ecclesiaticals? Right now we have, in Macarius I:
This looks outright weird -- as if he was called "Bulgakov" in Russian and "Macarius" in English (or Latin perhaps). This obviously was not the case -- he was born M.P.Bulgakov (well, actually baptized "Mikhail", I suppose), and when he joined a monastic order, we received the monastic name "Makariy". I suggest that we can emulate the article on Pope John Paul II, which goes like this:
The entry for Patriarch Sergius I of Moscow is formatted similarly. Can we do something like this for Macarius too? E.g. like this:
"Gross incivility"Hi, thanks for your note. The two comments you point to may seem bad out of context, but I assure you that they were both only left after provocation. If you're planning on reporting me for that, I hope you will also report Sebbeng for this, to be fair. (The "none of your business" comment was a response to that edit, not to a question about image tagging, BTW—if you look through my edit history you'll see that polite questions about images have been met with attempts to be helpful.) A lot of people have taken out their frustrations about a change in policy on me, and I've always been civil except when specifically provoked (and usually even then). But since you have pointed this out, I will redouble my efforts to be polite, even when provoked. After all, since people are getting upset at my (wholly in policy) actions, that's all the more reason I should be extra patient. Please keep an eye on my responses and let me know if you feel I am incivil in the future. Do keep in mind, though, that people will continue to consider me disruptive, simply because they disagree with the current fair use policy. Thanks! —Chowbok ☠ 15:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC) What the heck?You keep blanking my article without any attempt at discussion! What do you THINK is "nonsense"? --HanzoHattori 16:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Viipuri blas as a part of Russo-Swedish War 1496-99 ?It seems that now you have decided that the blast and the 1495 attack is a part of the war dated 1496-99, the Russo-Swedish War (1496-99). It seems to me that you do not have a grasp of chronology and that your idea is mistaken. How an incident, containing an attack, that took place in 1495, can be a part of a war 1496-99 ? Better reasons and more solid evidence than now given are needed. It also seems to me that you have not participated in discussion where the chronological mismatch was pointed, you just made the edit as you decided, without regard to input from other editors. Shilkanni 17:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC) New article noticeboardYes I agree - I'll happily canvas the wikiproject members - perhaps you know others who edit architecture articles - giano, wetman etc.? I've been thinking about a kind of architectural "signpost" where we could transclude a weekly newletter to project members, it seems like a drudge to me though to administer, so i'll post the idea on the project noticeboard and see if there are any takers. --Mcginnly | Natter 00:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Pen is mightier than the swordWhen you said "please expand" did you mean the article or the synopsis? I expanded the later; if you meant the former, I've tried to keep what is there succinct. I have somewhat of a derth of pre-1839 references at my disposal but I could see what I could do. -- Kendrick7 08:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
User:ChowbokThis user is resorting to namecalling again and accusing me of bad faith. TheQuandry 14:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC) DYK
{{Baltic emporia}}Hi Ghirla Nice work creating this template. I've seen most of these names before but a few of them puzzles me, in particular the name "Alaborg" The only name that jumps to mind is the Faroese name for Aalborg, but are you referring to the same town? Just curious. Btw, I also like your idea about a template for the Viking ring forts. Happy editing. Valentinian 21:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC) CoordinatesHello. I would like to know your opinion. Do you think I should add coordinates to the text or to the top right corner ? Thank you. - Darwinek 09:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Fête champêtreFêtes champêtre must be a lot more fun where you come from, in Italy we keep our clothes on! Giano 13:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I must remember to suggest that we take the children on a fête champêtre or fête galante the next weekend it is sunny. So much more pleasant than a bourgeois picnic. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear GhirlaCould you do me a favor and go to Talk:2006 Georgian-Russian espionage controversy where (as Kober claims) my "xenophobic" posts are located.Please search for any quotes which show (as Kober claims) "my anger towards other nations" or other forms of ethnic discrimination.Please post the results and your humble opinion at my discussion page. Yours thruly,Dimts 15:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC) Sviatoslav I of Kiev - ready for FA?I am considering proposing this as an FAC. What do you think? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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AtabataWho do you think he is on fi.wiki? Khoikhoi 04:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC) WikiProject BalletHello, Ghirlandajo! I noticed that you have contributed to several ballet-related articles. Keitei and I have begun a WikiProject for Ballet in my userspace. We hope to recruit enough members to make this a feasible WikiProject, and would appreciate your support! You can join at the WikiProject page or leave any suggestions on the talk page. Polish Expedition to KievYou are engaged in a move-war over Polish Expedition to Kiev. You refuse to discuss it on talk and you won't discuss it here . This is your warning... William M. Connolley 20:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
William, you should have looked at the history of that page to see who wrote the article and who started moving it at whim. Actually, I initiated discussion of the move on the appropriate noticeboard quite some time ago and received no feedback whatsoever. The discussion is linked from the Russian new articles noticeboard, which both my opponents have on their watchlists. As well known to everyone regularly editing these topics, I don't speak with Appleseed and Piotrus unless they apologise for years that I've been subjected to their personal attacks and incivilities. This latest delation is another rude attempt to denounce me behind my back and to bring in an observer who has no clue as to the substance of the content dispute. It does not help to clear the air, on the contrary. Finally, in contrast to Appleseed and Co, I don't engage in edit warring, I engage in creating new stuff. Before your unwarranted interference, I started today the articles about Gnezdovo, Sarskoe Gorodishche, Alaborg, Timerevo, Black Grave, Dmitry Samokvasov, Lyubsha... have I forgotten anything? Now I have to stop writing another article and go argue endlessly with revert warriors whose own articles I have yet to see. That it's useless to talk with them I know from years of experience. One look at Talk:Jogaila and its endless archives says it all. Do I want to drag myself into a similar mire over some petty issue? No I don't. Furthermore, your failure to issue a warning to a disruptive troll (when I asked a couple of days ago) and your ready jumping into an ordinary content dispute in this case... well, I would not jump to conclusions about your standards... these conclusions are pretty obvious to everyone. --Ghirla 22:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC) KrivichsIs it true that the Latvian word for "Russians", krievi, is derived from the name of the Krivichs tribe? I'm asking just out of curiosity. Beit Or 13:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
ze cavalry is herewhat a weirdo... I tried to clean up Cambyses, but he really needs to be taught some guidelines. dab (ᛏ) 17:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC) PoliudieArticle started. Beit Or 19:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC) Template:GardarikiNice work on this, as well as Alaborg and the others. Also thanks for helping to clean up and expand the art section in Sviatoslav I of Kiev. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
GautamaDidn't you actually mean Gaumata? Space Cadet 22:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Assuming that Darius the Great wasn't lying, Gaumata would make it a grand total of two. There were lots and lots of fakers out there claiming to be all sorts of people (my favorite is that 19th century joker who claimed to be the 375-year-old Sebastian of Portugal), but NONE of them actually took over and sat on a throne for real. I put down what I did because, the first False Dmitry was unique in that he managed to actually pull it off. DYK Nom
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Removal of James Randi mentionWhy did you remove the mention of James Randi being refused contact by Church officials on grounds of 'vanity'? Who's vanity? I researched the issue on Google Groups, among other places, found this interesting bit and added a mention to it in this article. Some guy's personal correspondence with Randi is not very reputable evidence, but neither is it vanity. Villa ChiericatiHi, I'm working on Andrea Palladio on the norwegian Misplaced Pages, and I notice that You have introduced Villa Chiericati as a redirect to Palazzo Chiericati, and used a picture of the latter as if it were a picture of the former in the article Palladian Villas of the Veneto. These buildings are not the same. The Palazzo is inside Vicenza, but the villa is in the countryside - as it should be. The villa has a temple front but no wings. I have not found any pictures of the villa on commons. Haros 08:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for your RU:EN translation assistance......for the Stalin quotation query I'd posted on the Language Reference Desk* last week. I appreciate your confirming my provisional translation, and I'll be updating the Medal For the Victory Over Germany page with this pertinent, heretofore missing information. (* Actually, I hadn't even known that was the proper place to post; I'd initially queried on Humanities. Now I'll visit that page more often; perhaps I can be of assistance to others.) Also I intend to revisit your User page, Andrey - your prolific activity is admirable, and as a relatively new Misplaced Pages editor myself, with an interest in Russia (as I'm a Holocaust scholar in Real Life), I believe I've got a lot to learn from you! -- Cheers, Deborahjay 07:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC) Did you know
GnezdovoHi, Ghirlandajo! The problem I had with this was that the spelling used in scholarly literature refers to the archaeological site, not to the modern village. Yet, the very first line of the article says that "Gnyozdovo is a village", and only then discusses the archaeological site. Ideally, the village information should be split out (to "Gnyozdovo"), but since there is not nearly enough information even for a marginal stub, my suggestion would be to rephrase the lead. The end result, in my view, should look like Timerevo, where there is nothing to complain about. Please let me know if it's not feasible or if you prefer an alternative solution. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Whoops!;-D Giano 09:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC) And another DYK
Akunin's latest bookБольшое спасибо! I look forward to picking it up the next time I'm in Russia. Errabee 15:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC) Another image for Lithuanian warsRu.Wiki ArbCom ElectionsPlease e-mail me to r_bekker@bezeqint.net to talk about the situation. Or talk by ICQ - my UIN is 17799297. rombik 12:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Dvina and Perm areaAs a reply to your message on my talk page, Dvina River delta is here. Kindly follow the river to see that it flows from the Perm area. The present-day Perm Krai is a part of the ancient Perm, known as the Great Perm. --Drieakko 16:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
PetrushkaI have no idea for corretc title. I merely moved the article, since it squatted the page Petrushka. I wasn' thinking too long, assumed similarly to L'Oiseau de feu and Le sacre du printemps that the original title was in French. Now I see that both latter titles are translated in English in wikipedia and basically agree with this. Which name you think is better: Petrushka (ballet) or Petrushka (Stravinsky) (I seee both versions in interwikis)? `'mikkanarxi 17:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Battle of RakovorDo you have any information on the strength of the Livonian side, and the casualties of both sides? --Ineffable3000 19:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC) DYK nom
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Template:KhazariaI like this idea very much. I will work on some improvements over the next few days when I'm able. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 05:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC) Featured picture promotion!Your accusationsHey, I would like you to explain your serious (and quite pointless tbh) accusations at my talkpage. To be honest,Ghirlandajo, you are saying me that I am a neonazi and I deny Holocaust? --Pudeo (Talk) 12:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Image:Confederation of Livonia 1260.svgI added the Battle of Rakovor to Image:Confederation of Livonia 1260.svg, along with a couple of other locations (Fellin & Ascheraden) and did a bit of minor touch-up as well. Thanks for the suggestion. MapMaster 16:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC) P.S. For my money, I would think that the name of the battle should be the Battle of Wesenberg in keeping with the name of the town in 1268, but I won't change it. Did you know?
Kiev Pechersk LavraI reverted you here :(. I see your point and I generally refrain from awarding more than one Barnstar to my Wikifriends, but let's not embarass other into doing the same. After all, it's their business. On a side note, would you help with Kiev Pechersk Lavra? You wrote a great peace on another Ukrainian Lavra once upon a time. This one deserves a great article no less. That's of course if you have time for it. --Irpen 17:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
How do you think we should call it? --Irpen 17:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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CanvassingGhirlandajo, your allegation is baseless. You try to accuse me of contacts with "anti-Russians", for example. All in all, my contacts are not "anti-Russian". Your written accusation is regarded as personal attack, and you have been warned of such, and it is also slander. This warning is also for purposes of managing administration of warnings and ArbCom admonishments, and its removal is regarded as vandalism. Shilkanni 18:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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WP:RUSHi, Ghirla. As per accepted Romanization there, the transliteration of –ий ending is optional (-iy or -y), so don't bother yourself :) --Brand спойт 22:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Chowbok RfCI've initiated a request for commentary on Chowbok. Since you've had a previous dispute with him over image uploads and his RfU tagging would you care to comment? (and feel free to improve the case) TheQuandry 04:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC) Sviatoslav I of Kiev - FA nowI'd like to nominate it for FA of the Day; when possible the FA of the day is chosen because that day has a particular significance to the topic in question (the date of a battle, date of birth, etc.) Are there any days in Russian tradition that are associated with Sviatoslav? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 05:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC) I was thinking maybe the date of a battle but the only date I was able to find was a reference to July 21 falling during the seige of Dorostolon and the only description was "Sviatoslav and his men continued to fight".... so I put it up with no particular date requested on Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests. It was nice working with you on this one. I'd like to get Rus' Khaganate up to FA status next... Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 15:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC) Our Lady of KurskHi, would you please pay a look at Our Lady of Kursk talk page? I'm just suspecting that the transliteration of one cyrilic word there is not correct, however, I noticed you have edited in this article and haven't amend that, which means that I may be well wrong anyway (I can't speak Russian, just starting...) Thanks Mountolive 04:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC) KuldzhaI'm somewhat puzzled by your undiscussed move of Treaty of Kulja, so I invite your for a discussion at Talk:Treaty of Kulja.--Niohe 21:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC) DYK
Naming Convention does not say what name version to use in article textYou seem to live in some sort of misapprehension about the application of WP naming conventions. Apparently you believe that they dictate what form of name of a thing, place or person to use in an article. However, that is a mistaken belief. If you read carefully, you will find that Naming Conventions (WP:NC) are intended for determining the name of article, nothing more. What form to use in text of articles, depends also upon context and other style-related considerations.
ThanksThank you for the DYK nomination. :) --Drieakko 07:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
So - you want to live dangerously?I have a few days away, and return to find you in charge? You dare to revert me ;-) Giano 10:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I see this as a power struggle between Russia and Italy! Be warned. I received you google message, but for some reason my computer won't let me reply to them, keeps saying you are a pop-advertisement and wants to send you to the trash bin - which would be uncomfortable for you! Giano 10:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Kazan RebellionПривет! Я специально уточнял с названием. В старинных русских источниках эти события трактуются как "Казанская война" (в то время как большая часть московско-казанских войн - как походы). Татарская энциклопедия даёт название "Освободительные войны в Казанском крае" (интервики на татарский). Так что раз это название не придуманное мной, а вполне историческое, то я верну обрато на Kazan Liberation War. --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 12:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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My RfAHello, and thank you (I suppose) for at least voting neutral. I would like to make four brief points, though: 1. Those "very minor, pedantic edits" are still useful. 2. I've also made major edits. 3. Edit summaries aren't especially helpful for minor edits; writing "removed excess comma" every time would get tiresome. Plus, some editors can be trusted to do the right thing (myself included, I hope), so it's not really necessary to examine all their minor edits. 4. I've stated what I wanted to do as an admin; to some extent, you never know exactly what someone will do once he's empowered. Biruitorul 20:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments and helpThank you very much for your suggestions and corrections for my Image:Ancient Greek_Colonies of N Black Sea.png. I have endeavoured to put them into the second version of the map, with the exception of my decision to leave the 450 BCE date in place (instead I changed the name of Eupatoria to "Kerkinitida (Eupatoria))". Let me know if you see anything else that needs to be addessed. Cheers, MapMaster 04:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC) TrubchevskMay I ask you to review this, please? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC) My RfA
Talk:BirkaCommented. Will keep an eye on how things develop. Template:KhazariaI overhauled this somewhat, added a few sections. A few issues to consider:
Let me know what you think and/or make what edits you feel appropriate. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 17:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC) Descent from Genghis KhanHi there. Would you mind having a quick glance at the Russian interwiki link on Descent from Genghis Khan? I though I'd ask you because you have edited that page extensively. It's been many years since I studied Russian at school, and I was never very good at it even then, but that link looks wrong to me. Thanks in advance. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 12:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Ingria and Carta MarinaHi. I've been looking for mention of Ingria on the Carta Marina image (cool, by the way) you recently added to that article, but I can't seem to find it. Is that just me looking badly? the clues of Ingria's presence are too subtle? etc? Cheers, Deuar 14:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Briangotts/Rus templateWhat do you think of this? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Colloquial EnglishGhirla don't be ridiculous with your "Google English", please! I live in the UK I KNOW what the LIVING language is! Of course it is possible to be as you said but it isn't wrong in my version either! "How come" is more COLLOQUIAL though, so I will leave your edition. Look at this Google search to further improve your English. Cheers, Internedko 10:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Kirillo-Belozersky MonasteryHi, Ghirla! I accidentally stumbled across this article of yours, and it made me curious why we have it at this title when the lead states that "Assumption monastery of St. Cyril" is the "proper translation in English". If it's the proper translation, shouldn't it also be the article's title? If it shouldn't be the title, then maybe the lead should be rephrased instead? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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Conspiracy theories on Vladimir PutinIf you have time, I'll appreciate your input on the article and other editors knowledgeable about Russia. Earlier today, I converted a new section of the Vladimir Putin aritlce, consisting of a long narrative of conspiracy theories, into a section on Putin's crime policies-- content I think actually helps make the article more encyclopedic. But then I was reverted by editor accusing me of "suppressing documented information." 172 | Talk 02:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC) GorikovoHi, Andrey. I have wanted to request your help on this for a while now, but I kept forgetting. On Romanian Communist Party#Party Congresses is mentioned a locality named Gorikovo, which, from what data I was able to gather, is a suburb of Moscow (should it be "Gorykovo"?). You may help in "locating" the red link - should it redirect to Moscow? should it redirect to another neighborhood of Moscow (assuming it has changed names or merged)? should it have its own article? Many thanks. Dahn 13:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
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Giorgione revertHi. I have a question about the attribution of the Giorgione self-portrait, which you reverted; I know that the attribution of his works is often tenuous, but has it been established definitively that this painting is not by his hand? I believe the museum credits the work to him. If so, then it seems that would be the official pronouncement. Thanks, and kudos for all your good work. JNW 21:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC) Leo of TripoliHe is mentioned at Byzantine navy, but that is all I can find on Misplaced Pages about him, though it does refer to the two most well-known facts about his life. I do not know enough about Leo to write his article above stub level, but I will look him up next time I am at my universty library (I have no good books of my own covering him). The problem with figures such as Leo is that they do not fit into a neat succession of sorts or have any official positions and therefore must appear as "stand-alone" articles. Srnec 22:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC) CypriaAndrej, thanks for cleaning up typos. You can't imagine how many I caught as I worked! --Wetman 00:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC) DYK
Featured PictureCongratulations, and thanks for nominating it. Raven4x4x 03:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC) Milov "The russian plowman and features of the Russian historical process"Может быть, вам попадалась, а если нет, то очень рекомендую: Милов Л.В. "Великорусский пахарь и особенности российского исторического процесса" (в сети здесь http://bookz.ru/authors/milov-lv/milovlv01.html). Сам недавно набрел на этот великолепный академический труд, где основные особенности российской государственности (централизм, недоразвитие общественных институтов и т.д.) выводятся из условий климата, почв и т.п, в которых находился русский крестьянин. Не сочтите это за навязывание, просто в этой книге действительно очень обоснованно, с привлечением большого количества источников, выражен "детерминистский" взгляд на историю России. Ben-Velvel 13:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC) re:Why brieflyHi Ghirla, nice to hear from you. "Briefly", because I am having an extended break due to many real life issues that require my dedicated time. I still keep an eye on matters here though, especially my watchlist and larger issues such as the now current ArbCom elections. It's important to me to express my views on these matters, hence my brief return. Although I am not contributing much (or anything) at the moment I am still committed to WP and will return to productive status soon, most likely in the new year. Best wishes. --Cactus.man ✍ 15:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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My RfAIt's late in the week and I probably won't make the cut, but I thank you dearly for your vote in support of me. I genuinely am glad to have received it and I hope not to disappoint you should a future bid succeed. Biruitorul 18:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Giorgione self-portrait?Thank you for your reply. True enough, regarding the overzealousness of museum attributions, as well as the uncertainty of cataloguing Venetian paintings of the period. Ever since I can remember, the literature on art (not that it isn't always fluid and changing) has attributed this painting to Giorgione, and if the picture is to be deleted, then it ought to be clear that the current scholarly shift is against attribution. I have not yet found anything definitive on the internet, so I was hoping you had some documentation-- I am a figurative painter, and heaven knows there are many master attributions with which I take issue. I gather that you are passionate and knowledgable about painting, and am interested in hearing your further thoughts. JNW 23:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC) Just FYIMisplaced Pages isn't Animal Farm - no editor is "superior" or "more equal" than others. I think we have it all formally in one of the ten wikicommandments (which are fully editable by the way :)) -- Tawker 00:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Russian ArchitectureRemember a while ago I posted a note on how to make the article fuller, if I do one day complete what I am trying then it will be an article that will take a megabyte on wiki space. One of my focal points, if you did not guess is 20th century architecture, and at present I warn you if you thought that it looks extensive right now, then it will treble when I am through with it. Which is why I think there should come a point for us to break it off into a separate article. And so on with all time periods, which should in the end total at least 13 individual articles. And Russian Architecture will simply become a general page. Of course I'll appreciate your help, but I strongly recommend you get your hands on one of these, trust me EXCELLENT resource, not just for architecture, but for Russian sculpture, painting, and so on. --Kuban Cossack 01:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Golden Horde mapGhirlandajo, I have created a "locator map" for the Golden Horde. This map shows domains of the Golden Horde in 1389 before the Tokhtamysh-Timur war, with modern international boundaries in light brown. The Principality of Moscow is shown as a dependency, in light yellow. I am a bit displeased with how difficult it is to tell the rivers and international boundaries apart, even at 400px but on the whole it turned out nicely. I would, of course, be very interested in your comments as well. I aim to please. MapMaster 01:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Image:Early Rus.pngUpdated the map. Check it out and let me know what you think, and esp. if any other archaeological cites should be added. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 03:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Rus' KhaganateAnything else you would like to add before it goes up for FA? Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC) WithdrawnI appreciate your support, but have decided to withdraw from consideration for a position as an arbitrator. The community has overwhelming found me to be too controversial to hold that position. Thanks again for your support.--MONGO 19:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Early Rus seriesWhat would you think of creating a separate series of articles, including a template, on the history of the early Rus (up to Vladimir)? Beit Or 20:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC) If there were a way to have it replace the numerous country templates in Kievan Rus' (Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, et al) so much the better. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Cyde's Question for Paul AugustYou may know that I supported both Paul August and Geogre, just in the last few days, therefore I'm hoping you'll take this better from me than from someone else. I write this with the deepest respect for your excellent article contributions. Cyde has the right to ask civil questions of candidates, even if they are inflammatory, even if they incite candidates to criticise each other. In fact, how a candidate reacts to an inflammatory question is an important judge of their suitability - they'll get much more heat than that as an arbcom member. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Paul August#Another question from Cyde Weys is a tough, but perfectly legitimate question. Please don't remove it again. AnonEMouse 21:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC) Edit summaryFrom history of article Muhajir (Caucasus): 10:12, 5 December 2006 Ghirlandajo (Talk | contribs) m (rmv trolling). I would like to humbly request an apology. Mukadderat 01:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Anastasia of RussiaI have reverted back to my last edit and posted the rationale on the article's talk page. -- Saaber 02:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Russian HistoryFYI- looks like a new Wikiproject you might be interested in. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 02:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Check my comments in Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/James JoyceGood morning from Athens, first of all! Please check my comments in Joyce's FAR. I just tagged assessments and quotations that need citations. I actually do not like , but we are asked to do that when we argue for lack of references in FAR(C). Therefore, what I did is absolutely fair, and in accord with what FAR and FARC demands from reviewers who have objections, and think that an article is under-cited. Regards!--Yannismarou 08:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Oh! I forgot to mention that (sorry for coming bACK)! As a principle in FAC and FAR(C), it is the editor of the article who is obliged to find a missing citation; not the reviewer. The reviewer points out the deficiencies and the editor fixes them. My regards once again!--Yannismarou 09:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC) In general, you are right, but this is a particular case. This is an article nominated in FARC, and I see that certain editors are working on it. In order to fix it, we must point out what we regard as deficiencies. So, the tags are actually helpful for the editors (not the initial ones, but the currect editors who try to keep it FA). If I do not convince the reviewers and the article remains FA without further improvements, the tags will be removed. The best scenario is that Paul August, Yomangani or somebody else will add the missing (according to me!) citations. The bad scenario is that the article will lose its star, and the tags will remain, until somebody adds the citations. This is unfortunate, but If we want to keep a high level here, I think that we have no other choice than to act like that. Once again I stress that this is my personal opinion, which will be judged.--Yannismarou 09:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Re: CarabosseLooks good to me, any ideas for a nom? GeeJo ⁄(c) • 12:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC) RCF?Feel free to add this request, I'm sure this can only end up with the disclosure of what your group has been doing, i.e trying to put the unfounded pro-Soviet POV into the article concerned Constanz - Talk 16:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Your input is requestedYour input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
RfCsHello Ghirla. I noticed that you'd opened an RfC about Piotrus. You have been arguing since Halibutt's RfA, if not earlier, which means that this has been going on for over a year now. Is opening an RfC on Piotrus really going to achieve anything useful? I can't see it myself. Do you have any ideas, other than arbitration, on how to end the arguments ? I think you are one of the greatest article writers wikipedia has, but edit summaries like "removed trolling to talk" aren't very helpful: "remove Ideogram's comments to talk" would have done just as well. If you don't feel able to write something that won't be complained of, why write anything at all in the edit summary ? Nil carborundum. Very best wishes, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Renaissance architecture.Yes, Baroque is the penultimate development of what began with Brunelleschi. I would have thought it fairly obvious. Even Roman architecture reached a "Baroque" stage. The great Sir Banister doesn't use the word Mannnerist. It's referred to in B.F. (The Architect's Bible) as Proto-Baroque. But don't worry, I am not going to write about it on the Renaissance page.. The direction to the main article is sufficient. Now, concerning that rather messy little gallery of pictures, which took me hours to source, as they were not all together under Renaissance (or anything else). The reason they were garnered and dump there was for inclusion in the text. I wrote that piece of information on the history page, but I guess you didn't actually look at the history page. The reason for the pics is because when one writes, one needs to know what pics are available. Ther's no point in writing about Santo Spirito, for example, if the only decent picture is of Lorenzo's. Actually there were pics of both. Now what I need is a key Alberti work- Sant'Andreas, because Santa Maria Novella is an eclectic half-Gothic compromise. As for the length of time you have been locked out..... well, yes.... the article, which is a key article in the study of the Arts, was sadly lacking. It will take a while to improve it. At least another 9 hours, I should think! Now I'm having a coffee break. Seeya later! --Amandajm 09:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Re my work on Brunelleschi and Alberti Hi Ghirlandaio! This is what I have just sent to Giano. Of course I've checked the history file. I rewrote the intro myself, months ago. It hhad been changged since then but the new information was not well integrated, which is what I have donne. I don't go around removing useful, pertinent information. What I do is edit it in. You may not immediately see what you have previously addded, but it will be there somewhere. I have been reading about, writing about and teaching Art History for the past 50 years. There might be more competent editors in this field than I am, working on that page, bbut i hhave seen no signs of them! I am currently sitting at my computer surrounded by two thousand books, of which the majority of them are Art History. I am using seven of them to write ediit the current page. The previous editors have cited only one very general encyclopedia. I have that one to hand as well. How much expertise do you want? --Amandajm 14:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Ghirl, can I suggest that you read what is written,, before you delete things. I mean really read it. Don't you get some faint hint that i might know something about my subject annd that the reason I am doing so much work is because i consider that there was a serious lack of information? How ignorant do you think I am? I check, cross-check and look up everything I write. My edits are corrected and refined continually, by me! --Amandajm 14:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Golden HordeYes. I'll add the references related my edit (i haven't finished yet). Actually, after your message, i was also confused a little bit whether the Turkish sources really differs. After spending some time in the library, i have the answer: The terminology in the Turkish and English sources is the same. The only difference is some Turkish sources uses "Gök"/"Kök" (eastern) not blue ("mavi" in Turkish) as in English sources. White (western) is the same "Ak" (white). In addition, I checked Encyclopedia Americana article which is written by Edward L. Keenan from Harvard University. There Blue is used for Eastern and White for Western Hordes. However, there was a difference between Russian chronicles and islamic souces (Arabian and Egyptian) (V.G. Tiesenhausen's work in 1884). This difference is explained in B.D. Grekov and A.Y.Yakubovski's state-of-art book "The Golden Horde and its Downfall". The major work were done by Russian scientists (A.Romaskevic and S.L. Volin 1941, B.D. Grekov and A.Y.Yakubovski 1950, G.Vernadsky 1953), for this reason, i had wrote the note as Russian terminology. On the other hand, the terminology used in wiki-article is not correct. This change was made here. I had not recognized this while editing, cause i was concentrated on other parts of the article. I had assumed that this was due to Russian to Turkish translation (Gök-Mavi, Ak). Now, i can safely say that the wiki-article terminology does not reflect the common usage. I'll do the changes. I'm removing the note also which is incorrect. There is no difference. I'll also correct the related information for the Blue Horde (eastern) and White Horde (western) articles, too. Actually, maybe it's better to rename these articles as Eastern and Western Hordes, which totally removes the terminology disambiguity (actually there is no such difference between Turkish, Russian and English sources). Regards. E104421 15:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you certainly right. As i wrote above, we should keep White Horde (Orda) of course. We should delete "White (Golden) Horde", cause there is no "White "(Golden)" Horde", the Blue Horde (Batu) turns out to be Golden Horde later on. Cheers! E104421 18:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I did the changes in the Blue Horde and the White Horde articles. We can continue expanding the articles now. Cheers! E104421 21:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC) Removal of uncivil commentsI removed the comment "with about one hundredth of the éclat that you did" because it is clearly one user's subjective evaluation of Kelly's performance vs. ALoan's. It contributed nothing to the commentary except to add heat where light would have done. The page it was removed from is not a page for subjectively evaluating a person. It's a candidate question page, and nothing more. I'm not going to revert you. I do feel the comment should be removed. I also wanted to explain why, precisely, it was removed. --Durin 18:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Who can upgrade the Battle of Krasnoi rating from "stub" to "B" or higher?Ghirla: It will be a little longer before I can revise the Battle of Krasnoi article sufficiently to get a favorable peer review and a maximum rating for it. There's still work to be done. In the meantime, however, I would like to get it upgraded to at least a "B". Right now, it's still rated as a "stub", and that's not appropriate. Who can upgrade the article to at least a "B" for me? Thanks. Kenmore 04:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)kenmore
The main form of Buddhism in Russia is the Karma Kagyu school ???All over the centuries gelugpa school has been major school in Russia and ofcourse the first one but someone has wrote such a falsification hier . Why?--VanemTao 04:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Edit summariesNo, I can't. --Attilios 12:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Huh??I'm Madhyako, do you know me?? --Madhyako Pradesh lo 12:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
BravallaCould you help me identify the Battle of Bravalla (770) that is mentioned in my article about Bravlin? It is supposed to be "one of the great battles of early Scandinavian history, a contest that was long remembered by the skalds and chroniclers" and "affected very considerably the distribution of the balance of power in Scandinavia" (Thomas Kedrick's A History of the Vikings). Nevertheless, I can't find anything about in Misplaced Pages. Thanks, Ghirla
Re: KrasnoiOk, took care of it; thanks for letting me know. Kirill Lokshin 13:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
PhanagoriaI'm sorry. I was interuptted before I could type the suggestions. The article itself is severely lacking references in certain sections, and thus fails the good article criteria. If you added more sources to it, I would pass this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Diez2 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC). hellosince I see you have deleted my comments apparently because I dared to write in Russian, let me state my position again in english. (Let me also state that when I address someone in their own language, it is meant as a friendly and diplomatic gesture.) I am not a Russophobe nor do I belong to any sort of anti-Ghirla cabal. (WP:CABAL) I am simply concerned by what I perceive as frequent belligerence and incivility on your part. Also, when I looked at the examples you provided on Piotrus's RfC, I found most of them less than convincing. I know Piotrus has his faults and has made his own mistakes, we all are human. But from my perspective, which is in fact fairly neutral, I decided to cautiously support Piotrus on that particular RfC. Please remember, there is no cabal, and if someone disagrees with you personally it does not mean one is Russophobic. K. Lástocska 18:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Early conflicts with Finns and NovgorodHi, Just asking if you would be able to identify the Russian princes mentioned by the chronicles in the "Conflicts with Novgorod" section of Prehistoric Finnish wars, thanks. --Drieakko 19:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've corrected some misinformation about the Seige of Silistria of 1854Ghirla: A misconception widely circulated in the West is that the Turks defeated the Russians at Silistria in 1854. Most encyclopedia articles on Prince Ivan Paskevich describe him as having been defeated at Silistria. Likewise, the Turkish commander Omar Pasha is credited with a victory. Of course the truth is quite different: the Turkish garrison was on the verge of collapsing when Nicholas I, fearing Austrian military intervention in the war, ordered the Army of the Danube to recross the Danube, then return to Russia. Hence, I have amended the Misplaced Pages article on Paskevich so that it more accurately depicts the Silistria episode. I have done the same in the Gorchakov article, as Gorchakov succeeded Paskevich when the latter was wounded. I did not amend the misinformation in the Omar Pasha article because I don't want to offend the author. But I did explain the truth on the article's discussion page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Omar_Pasha Kenmore 06:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)kenmore Мадхья ПрадешYou guessed right. Alex already blocked him. Khoikhoi 08:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Kalos inscriptionsThank you so much for nominating the page Kalos inscription for DYK. I'm kinda buzzed something I helped write should make it onto the front page! Twospoonfuls 09:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Yermak TimofeyevichHi Andrey! I'm no expert when it comes to art, but why do I have a strong feeling that the picture of Yermak (see article) is really a picture of some conquistador? I mean, I look at the helmet (looks like it, at least), the armor (looks like it, at least), the pike etc. and can't feel at ease. Do you know anything about this image? Thanx! KNewman 16:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC) "In general"Sorry, that came out the wrong way. I meant to say "among Russian editors in general, there have been Molobos". I did not mean to implicate you in any way. In case you were aware of that, and you were asking me to be explicit about those editors: I can recall pages on my watchlist related to Bessarabia suddenly filling up with theories about Romanian imperialists etc, and then abandoned (of course, I can name about 100 Romanian editors who engage in the same solicist game). I'll rephrase accordingly, if you feel I should. Sorry again. Dahn 17:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
My questionThank you for your reply. Was the massacre of Praga not real? Could you give an example of a Polish loss that Piuotrus claims happened due to Western betrayal but didn't? Let's try to avoid generalities. As I said on the RfC talk page, abuse happened on both sides, though I grant that there is a difference because you are not an admin. There is real cause for complaint, which is why a Lithuanian joined in, but you too are not totally innocent. But rather than looking for Piotrus to be punished (if that's the case), I think it would be more productive for you two to reconcile and move forward in peace. Is that too much to ask? Biruitorul 18:09, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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