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Evidence presented by Daniel E. Knodel, M.A.
Repeated and persistent false accusations
- Accusations of inpersonating other editors:
- Editor edgarde has falsely accused me of impersonating other editors by using puppets (i.e. Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Devalover), as indicated on the Request for Arbitration.
- Edgarde personally acknowledged that his accusations were wrongfully made , when he responded on my talkpage to advocate Fred-Chess reporting the results of the puppet review.
- Even after the results of the puppet charges showed that I did not use puppets. Edgarde continues to persists with these accusations . On his evidence statement he has ignored the results.
- Edgarde has also made these accusations of other editors using puppets , , & .
- Accusations of being paid off, promoting myself, & campaning:
- On November 7, Edgarde put a flag over the links, and said I have a "vested interest" in the topic, so I reconciled with him and I thought the dispute had been resolved. I first interpreted this as an act of respect, but later discovered he was accusing me of being paid off .
- In his Request for Arbitration comment Edgarde says that my motivation for editing the sex tourism page is to 1) promote a view that will defend my link to Sly Traveler, which he says 2) is my website. This is not true, because Sly Traveler is not a website that I control, and my contributions to this page have accounted for multiple view points. I began introducing the principle of respect for customs of foreign societies based on the terms of their own culture, which is conceivably a neutral point of view. But I became more involved on the page when I was treated with such disrespect by Edgarde as he continuously removed my contributions completely with his repeated daily reverts.
- In his Suspected Sock Puppet page, Edgarde constructs some sort of conspiracy theory, accusing me of being involved in a secret campaign with editors who disagree with him. It's no surprise that the results of the puppet review charges do not support the existence of a secret conspiracy campaign.
- Accusations of inserting a link to a website that I control and artificially linking pages:
- It is not true that I control (i.e. "own") any of the websites that I have described as pertinent to the topic throughout our discussion, and have gone into greater detail in the Discussion about Sly Traveler section of the Sex Tourism Talkpage
- I linked other pages to the Sex Tourism page because they are closely related subjects.,,,,,.
- Accusations of fabricating my credentials:
- Bacholer in Psychology, minor in Cultural Anthrology -- Unversity of Southern California: Student ID 562-63-2062
- Master in Clinical Psychology -- California State University, Northridge: Student ID 000260211
- Accusations of inventing my own definition, and doing so for my own benefit:
- Though I began with a more general definition, I have compromised with Edgarde over the course of the discussion. The opening section of the sex tourism page that I ask for in the Arbitration Specifications section of Sex Tourism Talkpage undeniably asserts a neutral point of view that is both informative and accurate. I don't see how this would benifit me more than anyone else.
- I did not write this description by myself. It represents a collaborative progression with other editors., , ,
Disrespectful treatment toward other editors
- Insults
- On October 31, Edgarde insults the link I wanted to add as a reference to the forms of sex tourism that I describe in the discussion. He calls it a "commercial spam link" , when it is in fact not a commercial website.
- On October 31, after various attempts to reason with him, Edgarde insults me by stating "My main issue is with your definition, which is disingenuous nonsense."
- On November 3, Edgarde responses to my revision of our definition and the introduction of a Dispute Resolution section, calling it "nonsense".
- On November 22, Edgarde insulted me with the following comment when he declined my request for mediation: "I just happen to be the only one foolish enough to respond to his disingenuous nonsense on this page."
- Rude Behavior
- On November 3, Edgarde posted a claim to end the dispute with a link that I was told to use. I followed his instructions, but found that it was only a rude trick to delete all my edits. .
- On November 22, Edgarde attacks a new editor who supported that a distinction be made from child sex tourism, accusing this new editor of impersonating me in a rude manner. Edgardes words were "Mr. Knodel: put the puppet down. Answer the questions."
- All of Edgarde's false accusations against me and other editors who do not support his view point have been done with disregard for good faith.
Lack of knowlodge on the topic
- Edgarde has demonstrated that he is unfamiliar with the terms pertaining to this topic. On November 7, I had to make a Misuse of terms section on the Sex Tourism talkpage in order to explain such terms as pedophilia, age of consent, and child abuse.
- Edgarde repeately confuses terms such as human trafficking, child prostitution, and child pornography with sex tourism. His insertion and defense of the link to Johns Hopkins University Protection Project as a good reference on sex tourism is a very strong example of his misreporting of the topic. This link is not about sex tourism at all, but instead centers on illegal activity and pathology. In Edgarde's own words: "This is probably the best link we have in the article. Deleting this borders on vandalism."
- In his evidence statement, Edgard later inserts two new essays that he never mentioned in the discussion. These essays were never used as external references, and are only remotely associated with the Protection Project link. Moreover they further demonstrate his confusion of terms, as they are about "child sex tourism" and not the legal and culturally acceptable -- much more common -- forms of mainstream sex tourism, which is the subject of our article. The occurrence cited in one essay of "human trafficking" is also misleading, as it is rarely a factor -- most prostitution forms of sex tourism involving foreign sexworkers are legal under a 90-day working visa including a consensual contract and health exams (e.g. destinations such as Aruba, Curacao, and St. Maarten where the majority of sexworkers are foreign). Human trafficking is generally an extraneous term in how it relates to sex tourism, along with most of the other crimes covered by the Protection Project. Not that the Protection Project is not a valuable website, but it is not about sex tourism.
- Throughout the discussion Edgarde demonstrates next to no knowledge of the topic. Where I have described my observations of sex tourism destinations around the world, he has only made Google searches. Where I have applied my background in clinical psychology and cultural anthropology, he has shown confusion of terms. Where I have provided external references to the sources of real-world sex tourism attractions that are legal and culturally acceptable, he has continued to deny their existence and replace them with irrelevant descriptions of child molestation and crime.
Daniel E. Knodel, M.A. 03:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Evidence presented by edgarde
A summary can be found in my statement.
POV linkage by Mr. Knodel
Knodel's edits in Sex tourism#External_links are consistent with a policy of pro- sex tourism promotional POV, adding links that seem like good PR , and removing links that cast an unfavorable light.
Deletion of child prostitution links
Knodel deleted links critical of sex tourism involving children , with Edit summaries suggesting it were a separate, unrelated topic. Even links not specific but mentioning child sex tourism.
Segregation of unfavorable links into "Child sex tourism"
When this became untenable , Knodel created an External links subheading for "Child sex tourism", to which he moves links about Sex tourism that include information about "Child sex tourism". This favors his POV because references critical of Sex tourism often mention young sex workers, leaving only very sunny (if insubstantial) links in the "Sex tourism" section.
I explained why this was a bad idea here . Knodel reinstated anyway .
John Hopkins Protection Project
Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies' site contains two lengthy articles specificly on "Sex tourism", plus more on related topics. A site search for "Sex tourism" gets 114 hits. They are not flattering however to Knodel's POV.
One of Knodel's favorite links to delete .
I protested this deletion, but Knodel continues to delete the link unexplained, as part of other reversions. He explains on this Evidence page.
Knodel has not restored John Hopkins to the current hybrid page he made "posting all avaliable content under review".
POV edits by Mr. Knodel
Mr. Knodel began editing on October 28, linking the Prostitution article to Sex tourism, then adding extensive pro- sex tourism promotional POV edits to the Sex tourism article. I reverted these edits. Since then ...
"Child sex tourism" distinction
As in Knodel's External Link deletions his edits seem to classify "Child sex tourism" as not "Sex tourism", rather than as a subset of sex tourism.
Knodel repeatedly overwrites an intro paragraph on child prostitution preferring variants of:
Often the term "sex tourism" is mistakenly interchanged with the term "child sex tourism". A tourist who has sex with a child prostitute possibly commits a crime against international law, in addition to the host country, and the country that the tourist is a citizen of. The term "child" is often used as defined by international law and refers to any person below the age of consent.
... typically removing mention of law enforcement difficulties .
In Edit summaries, Knodel sometimes calls this edit 'distinction from "child sex tourism"'.
The difference between sex tourism and child sex tourism is self-evident for readers with even minimal english literacy; I protested this on the Talk page . Knodel hasn't provided references for this alleged confusion.
It seems this attempt isn't to prevent sex tourism from being confused with child sex tourism, but to prevent it from being associated with child sex tourism. This would be PR, and not encyclopedic in light of much of the available research (notably in links Knodel deletes from this article).
Paragraph listing bad effects
When Knodel restores the above "distinction" paragraph, he usually removes a U.N.-cited list of common concerns about sex tourism
Current version of the paragraph Knodel deletes:
The United Nations opposes sex tourism citing health, social and cultural consequences for both tourist home countries and destination countries, especially in situations exploiting gender, age, social and economic inequalities in sex tourism destinations.
Please read his objection to the United Nations paragraph.
Knodel asserts that "There are no direct quotes mentioned to support this claim..." However, it is almost verbatim from first reference.
Aware of the grave health as well as social and cultural consequences of this activity for both tourist receiving and sending countries, especially when it exploits gender, age, social and economic inequality at the destination visited;
As this is part of a lengthy, complex sentence, I see no need to quote more "directly". Knodel's requirement ignores pertinent discussion and common sense, and seem like an attempt to find a "technicality" to exclude information that does not favor his POV.
 | The above two edits change the introductory section from a concise list of issues about sex tourism to a concise defense of sex tourism as no place for people who want sex with the underaged. This is POV and misleading. |
Redefinition of sex tourism
Thought this was over , but it's referred to on this Evidence page .
Knodel has a novel definition of "Sex tourism" (an established concept) as including activities such as observing other cultures and visiting sex museums — though unable to cite references, and with no support (and majority opposition) from an RfC . Reverts? You bet.
Main defenses:
- "'sex tourism' has acquired a derogatory connotation"
- original research (ibid, plus)
- assertions of academic credentials and authority on the subject (ibid)
- lists of links to the sort of businesses his novel definition would include.
(These lists are the closest Knodel has come to providing citations for any of his statements on the Sex tourism article.)
Knodel dismisses my assertion that Google searches on "Sex tourism" finds few if any references to sex museums, swinger's clubs or FKK's with the argument "Thank you for telling us about your Google searches, but anyone could do that."
Mr. Knodel's attempts to drive traffic to his website
Linking The Sly Traveller
Linking The Sly Traveller appears to be Knodel's driving issue . His other edits are probably intended to defend and promote traffic to his website.
Wikilinks to draw traffic to Sex tourism
Knodel links other pages to Sex tourism, perhaps to direct traffic to his site or increase its Googlerank. .
Ownership of The Sly Traveler denied repeatedly
Conflict of interest repeatedly denied , notably on Talk:Sex tourism , and on this Evidence page .
— edgarde 22:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Puppetry by Mr. Knodel
Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Devalover
Denied repeatedly. — edgarde 03:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
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