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Proposed move of Tam o' shanter (cap) to Tam o' shanter

Hello Zxcvbnm. I declined this at WP:RMTR because there is an existing DAB page at Tam O'Shanter. If you still think the move is a good idea you can file it as a regular move, but please explain how you would like all the DABs to work out. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:11, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: "Tam o' shanter" is the only thing there that is lowercase. Hopefully now you will see my rationale for moving the page, due to WP:DIFFCAPS._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

At present Tam o' shanter is a redirect to Tam o' Shanter. I would be reluctant to rest a distinction on such a thin reed as WP:DIFFCAPS when something is this confusing. Feel free to open a {{Requested move}} if you disagree. EdJohnston (talk) 19:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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Friendly suggestion about linking to evidence when nominating RMs

Hey, I've noticed in a lot of RMs that you open you will mention pageviews as part of your reasoning for the move. It would be helpful if you could link to the pageview comparison in the nom, just to save each other editor having to go to the pageview tool and enter the relevant article names. (It would also help avoid miscommunications where different editors get different results because they used different time ranges, daily vs. monthly views, or included a different set of articles in their analysis.) Same goes for ngrams etc. Cheers. Colin M (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Travesti

When you turned Travesti into a DAB oage, you may have overlooked WP:FIXDABLINKS. The change broke 639 links, which will have to be fixed by hand by someone or other. Narky Blert (talk) 02:29, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. I think it's actually far less than that though, as the vast majority of those were due to a template being on those pages that had the incorect link._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Merging Kull Warrior

I am merging some Stargate articles, and after your Kull Warrior concerns at AfD, I want to let you know that I've merged the article to List of Stargate SG-1 characters#Other alien recurring characters. I think it works fine there. – sgeureka 15:24, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, that is a good WP:ATD._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Technology in Stargate for deletion

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Others

Worth looking at for RM:

• A good day to die (phrase)
• Crowned heads of Europe (phrase)
• Get a life (idiom)
• Holy cow (expression)
• Skeleton in the closet (idiom)
• The quick and the dead (idiom)

Hyperbolick (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Geometry Wars

I saw that you have done some work on Geometry Wars, and now there is a page for the series itself. Thanks for your work. I have done some more work on it, as you can see in the version histories. Now, Geometry wars redirects to this series page, instead of just Retro Evolved. Were the changes I made consistent with what you had in mind? BirdValiant (talk) 04:49, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@BirdValiant: Yes, please feel free to expand as you see fit. I just added the bare minimum so it can definitely be expanded with some more context about the series._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 05:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: I probably won't, but I'm just glad to see that the pages have enjoyed some caretaking. I actually created the article back in 2005, and it's great to see how it has taken shape over this time. BirdValiant (talk) 05:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

This time

I disagree (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hard fantasy (2nd nomination)). Seems like a notable topic, just badly written article with poor sources. But sources are out there, per links in my vote. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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DYK for Squibb Park Bridge

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Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Good luck

All Ghillied Up

Just to let you know, I have recreated and expanded the All Ghillied Up. Regards  Spy-cicle💥  17:18, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

@Spy-cicle: Thank you. You might also be interested in checking the history of The Silent Cartographer. It has no less than 5 reception comments from reliable gaming press sources, there may be more to be found._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:33, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I will have a look but I am not that familiar with Halo as I have never really played it.  Spy-cicle💥  13:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Woven(video Game) not notable

Dear Zxcvbnm, you wrote at Draft:Woven_(video_game) that alle game sites quoted are minor game sites and therefore the sources are unreliable. I understand they are not the biggest of gamereview sites (although swithUp and PSU are pretty big). But most of the websites that were used in writing the articles are notable enough by the 4 pages Metacritic has for the game, which atleast validates them up to a certain degree. User talk:Cebalan —Preceding undated comment added 08:41, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cebalan: A site being on Metacritic doesn't actually prove anything, since it's just an automated review aggregator. It can definitely be an indicator of whether something is notable, but that's only if the individual reviews are from reliable sites. There are plenty of non notable games with a Metacritic score. You can look at WP:VG/S for a list of reliable/unreliable sources. If all the sources for an article are not listed there as reliable it's a good sign that it's not actually notable._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 15:02, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: Thank you for your quick response. I understand Metacritic is a review aggregator, but they don't include just any review, as they have a strict selection policy of their own. I've familiarized myself with WP:VG/S and crossrefenced it with a list of 49 written reviews and 157 gamepress articles. To my surprise, besides a mention by Adventure Gamers, there seems very little overlap. I guess Youtuber/streamer coverage will not count towards notability just yet? There are over 200 vids from streamers and youtubers about this game, 9 of with 200.000+ viewers. I'm not saying its the most notable game of the century, clearly it is not (and the article doesn't pretend it is, or could be rewritten if you think it does) but the game has had considerable coverage. Also, and the reason why I first thought it might be notable nough, it has been written about three times in Dutch Game Industry Magazine control-online, a leading website where it concerns Dutch game industry. Also, it launched not just on Steam (which attracts a lot of unnotable titles) but also PS4, Xbox One and Switch, each with their own quality control, which is quite a (notable) feat for a small indie team, the two major reason I thought the article might be worth writing. Are there other ways to 'prove' it was notable besides coverage? The game launched again Pokemon Sword/shield and Star wars, so most notable channels didn't cover the game. Which is a shame, if you look at the other coverage it has. In any case, I thank you for your time. Any pointers towards the rest of the article, for if ever I try my hand at writing again? _{User:Cebalan (TALK)} 17:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cebalan:There are no ways to prove notability besides coverage in reliable sources. Streamers and player count numbers do not count towards notability. So you can think the game can be as underrated and deserving of coverage as you want but if it doesn't have reliable sources, that is that.

I checked the magazine, but those seem to be mostly about the game's Kickstarter and the studio itself. They'd be usable in the Development section if the game was notable, but don't offer much opinions about the actual game._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 23:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: This isn't about whether i think the game is underrated or deserving of more coverage. A Misplaced Pages page is never about providing coverage. But I do think it would have serious gaps in its knowledge base if it did not include indie games with considerable coverage that ran a successful production and multi-platform launch like Pine, Deliver us the moon, Woven next to other smaller but successful indieprojects such as Herald. Games with bigger budgets get written about sooner by the 'notable sources', and I abhor the idea that it takes a big budget to be on wikipedia. Those 157 articles aren't on the notable list, but 140+ aren't on the unreliable list either. Anyway, that's criticism on how the current system works, and even if we would agree, that still wouldn't change the system that you are following correctly. The article can be deleted (unless it needs second opinion from somewhere) And I'll keep the article as a draft in my sandbox, for if and when other sources become available that proof enhanced notability, and I'll refrain from writing the other ones. Sorry for taking up your time. With kind regards,_{User:Cebalan (TALK)} 11:38, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cebalan: It certainly doesn't take a big budget to get on Misplaced Pages. I've created dozens of articles about small indie titles with extremely low budgets. Behold the Kickmen is one example. However, that game got reviews on Rock, Paper Shotgun, Eurogamer, PC Gamer, Engadget and Polygon. Misplaced Pages isn't a marketing tool so it's up to the developer to market their game in such a way that it gets seen, which that developer clearly did._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:20, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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About your comment on Draft:List of Swedish video game developers

Dear Zxcvbnm,

I read your comment on my Draft:List of Swedish video game developers, Comment: Redundant content fork. Please add this to List of video game developers, which allows for sorting by country. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC) The draft has 39 companies in the list. I was thinking about adding a bit of general knowledge about Swedish video game industry if that matters, gathering secondary sources and adding an info box. I'm not sure if that's ok.

I found a similar article called 'List of video game companies of Sweden' https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_video_game_companies_of_Sweden This article has 38 companies in the list. 8 active companies are not in my draft.

Can I add the draft there or must I edit the list on 'List of video game developers'? https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_video_game_developers

I hope you can answer my questions.

All the best

Tony Westling — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyWestling-Dataspelsbranschen (talk • contribs) 16:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

@TonyWestling-Dataspelsbranschen: I would try to add the content into the general list of game developers, as well as merging the other article you found if there are any companies that are missing from your draft. If you believe you have sufficient sources for an article about the Swedish game industry, you can make Video gaming in Sweden instead, since the category Category:Video gaming in Sweden currently lacks a main article._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 20:10, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Predator: Hunting Grounds

Honestly, you may as well delete that draft. The author was banned from Misplaced Pages a few months back and their only activity has been creating sock accounts that have been rooted out, as well. DÅRTHBØTTØ _(T•C) 22:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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As I'm told the young people say - dude, WTF?

Snow keep after two keep votes? I mean, I agree it's a keep, but that seems... excessive. GirthSummit _(blether) 21:16, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

I would have voted keep as well, and it doesn't seem like WP:BEFORE was performed properly or that it would be controversial in any way to keep it. I just couldn't see anyone voting delete._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Snows should be obvious. Same-day and at-least one questioning keep is not usually a snow. --Izno (talk) 00:07, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I was a little too quick on the trigger, I will keep that in mind for next time._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)