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Cultural impact of Michael Jackson

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Clear WP:OR and WP:FANPAGE which is created only for competing with Cultural impact of the Beatles, Cultural impact of Elvis Presley and Cultural impact of Madonna, per the admission by the SPAs attempting to retain this article.

Unlike Presley, Madonna there's not enough content to say about Michael Jackson since his influence can be only described as influence on individuals and there is List of artists influenced by Michael Jackson. As for this article, it was WP:POVFORKed from Michael Jackson#Legacy and influence.

No improvements have been made in these many years. Looking at the article I can summarize it as follow:

• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Performing arts: Mainly about Jackson's achievements already covered at List of Michael Jackson records and achievements.
• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Music videos: Mainly about his music videos. Nothing about "cultural impact".
• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Fashion: Comments about how he dressed and speculates influence on some notable individuals.
• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Visual arts: Irrelevant one-liner.
• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Race politics: Controversies about race and racism that involved him.
• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Tabloid media: Ramblings about how tabloid media made fun of him.
• Cultural impact of Michael Jackson#Global impact: Except a couple of sentences, there is nothing to see here but WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:OR.

There is almost nothing about "cultural impact" in the entire article.

There have been 2 conclusive discussions including an RfC on talk page and a music noticeboard, to keep this article a redirect but redirects are quickly reverted by the SPAs. Since there is nothing to see here and any essential content has been already covered at Michael Jackson#Legacy and influence I find delete to be the only option left here. Excelse (talk) 12:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 16:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. This is a clear WP:POVFORK and always has been. Popcornfud (talk) 12:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
• Keep: I see an interesting and well-sourced article here. It includes many reliable sources specifically talking about Michael Jackson as an influential cultural figure. Here are a few examples from the article:
  • The New York Times: "After Jackson, Fame May Never Be the Same"
  • The Baltimore Sun: "7 Ways Michael Jackson Changed the World"
  • Reuters: "How Michael Jackson's Thriller Changed the Music Business"
  • Vogue: "Michael Jackson: A Tribute"

I agree that the arguments about the Beatles, Elvis and Madonna are WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and not relevant, but just looking at the article, I think it's clearly a notable subject with significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. -- Toughpigs (talk) 16:15, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

See WP:ILIKEIT. Sources about the initial reaction to his death is same as the death of any other artist who is notable. That does not prove any "cultural influence". Excelse (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

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