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Recurring controversial edits

@Eterror: made a major, unexplained change which brought the article back to a Feb 2016 version that was previously reverted for cause by @Citobun:. @Ohconfucius: also reverted a similarly contentious Eterror edit back in May 2016. I have reverted Eterror's latest massive changes, which require some justification, with talk discussion here as required. Dl2000 (talk) 23:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Reverted again. I suspect that this could be the actions of a COI account. -- Ohc  22:18, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

And again – I've reported the user at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Citobun (talk) 01:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully after the block, Eterror will approach any article edits differently. Thanks to both of you for the added watching/reverting. Dl2000 (talk) 04:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

July 2019

Due to the 2019 independence protests stemming from the proposed extradition bill, there is renewed interest in hong kong politics. Changes have been made by pro-beijing editors with subjective comments such as "he has become a voice of reason against pro indendence movement and civil disobedience.JOSHUA4230 (talk) 06:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Yuen Long mobs

Recent edit by Beijing IP address 47.75.196.105 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) claims that the Yuen Long mobs were "primarily targeting those wore black and most of whom just got back from Causeway Bay protests". This is not reflected in coverage by reliable sources, which states that commuters, protesters, and journalists were all targeted. Citobun (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions

I would remind editors not to input any potentially libellous content per the DS notice above. STSC (talk) 18:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

What is his party?

I don't see it mentioned. Kaihsu (talk) 19:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kaihsu Junius Ho is an independent candidate, but he is often labelled as a member of pro-beijing camp. This is a reasonable move given that he often votes in favour of bills or motions that the DAB backs. However, it is also important to note that Ho do go against the standard narrative of the East at times, this is demonstrated in his voting in favour of Tiananmen square protest memoralization at the Legislative Council.Thomaslam1990 (talk) 04:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Re: "whitewashing effort"

@Citobun

Refer to 08:14, 13 May 2020

Changing the phrase 'attackers' to 'white-shirters' is not a whitewashing move. It is important that we clarify that when Junius Ho shook hands with those white-shirters the attack has yet to occur. It is only after the Yuen Long Incident that they should be labelled as attackers.

Furthermore, your blanket reversion fails to make note of my contributions to clarify/update certain controversies as mapped out on the wikipedia page. The edits were rightly cited after @Underbar dk 's contribution.

Addition to philanthropy sections is long-due. The page as it is is already very biased with no mention of his political/legal contribution to the community. The move to assume that I have a conflict of interest is highly unfounded. Should you believe that this is the case, surely you also ought to clarify your interests? At least read the ammendments I made and comment on which parts you would like to dispute so we can have a discussion from there on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomaslam1990 (talk • contribs) 10:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Given that the Yuen Long attack occurred already, I think we can call them "attackers" now. I posted a WP:COI tag on your talk page as I always would when a single-purpose account engages in (what appears to me to be) white-washing, PR work, etc. I also note that this article has a long history of editing by users with undeclared COI, as previous revisions were incredibly promotional and unencyclopedic in tone. I do not have any conflict of interest to declare. Please review WP:COI, Misplaced Pages:Paid-contribution disclosure, and ensure that you are complying to any relevant policies. Thank you, Citobun (talk) 10:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

To your first point, that is obviously untrue. Not distinguishing the temporal order of the two events will inevitably lead to bias and flavouring of the texts. Furthermore, read the page as it is right now. It's literally littered with controversies and citations of people expressing their opinions. For example, "knife-like"? It was literally reported on the news that it's a 33-cm long blade. The Inciting murder of independence supporters section is not even factually correct. Ho never said those words in conjunction during the rally. I point this out in my edits, I clarified the facts and kept the rest. I also updated the SRA incident and the knife attack incident with correct citations. I addressed @Kaihsu 's question regarding his political affiliations. And many more. You obviously did not read through my edits and decided to blanket delete the edits I made with correct citations. FYI, I do not have any conflict of interest to declare, and I'm not being paid to do any of this. Thomaslam1990 (talk) 14:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I updated the knife description.

You have added a lot of problematic content. For instance, the passage about how "Albert Ho's defeat may also owe to the controversy where he was caught browsing soft-pornography of young female models during a meeting" is not reflected in the cited sources, one of which is an opinion piece. Why did you shorten the full title of the 2014 movement, "Occupy Central with Love and Peace", to "Occupy Central"? The passage about "Colin Sparks" is not cited to any reliable secondary sources and basically seems trivial. I don't agree with your argument about the "attackers" terminology, and besides, you also changed "attackers" to "white-shirters" in a passage regarding a comment Ho made AFTER the attack, so what then? Citobun (talk) 02:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Good, we're making progress. What about the clarifications I made on the SRA/legal qualification controversy and the false statements made under Inciting murder of independence supporters? I was in the middle of editing the page when you blanket reverted everything and accused me of COI. I knew what is going to publish was gonna be edited somehow, and given the Pending Changes Protection, I was using the publish as more or less a save button because I had unstable internet and I wrote lots. Meet me halfway and look at the positive contributions I've made. I'm also willing to redact the subsequent white-shirter changes, so long as the temporal and causal orders are correct on the incident. I also want to update news regarding the Yuen Long incident aftermath, especially in matters current to LegCo censure motion on both Junius Ho and Lam Cheuk-ting. Re: Edits on Albert Ho, I admit that what was said may not necessarily be reflected in the news cited, but it is nonetheless true that said controversy did impact the election results. Furthermore, re: occupy central edit, that was a mistake, I do not recall doing that, it must have occurred when I shifted sections back and forth.Thomaslam1990 (talk) 03:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I have taken a third opinion request for this page and am currently reviewing the issues. I shall replace this text shortly with my reply. I have made no previous edits on Junius Ho and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Galendalia CVU Member \ 04:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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