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Remove Mention of Sexual Assault Allegations in Lede
Snooganssnoogans - There is no need to have mention of sexual assault allegations in the lede. That topic is covered in depth within the article. This is similar to the decision to remove language regarding Justice Sotomayor's controversial sexist, racist "wise Latina" statements from the lede in her article. Indeed, the argument for inclusion of the sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh are weaker.
1. The allegations against Kavanaugh were unfounded, unproven, and lacked credibility; Sotomayor's "wise Latina" staements were very real - she made the statements repeatedly in speeches to a number of groups. While there is a lot of doubt that Kavanaugh did anything wrong, there is absolutely no doubt that Sotomayor made the statements.
2. The conduct alleged against Kavanaugh was far in his past; Sotomayor's "wise Latina" statements took place while she was a judge.
3. In both cases, the improprieties were front and center during Supreme Court confirmation hearings.
In short, you cannot have it both ways - you argued that the controversial and very real "wise Latina" statements did not merit inclusion in the lede of the Sotomayor article, while you argue that the controversial yet unfounded sexual allegations against Kavanaugh need to be included in the lede for this article. The bottom line is that mention of the sexual allegations need to be removed from the lede in this article, or the "wise Latina" statements re-inserted into the lede in the Sotomayor article. GlassBones (talk) 13:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
What happens on other Misplaced Pages articles is irrelevant to what happens on this one. The "wise Latina" thing is a faux controversy which did not jeopardise her nomination nor has had any coverage since some opportunistic right-wing actors decided to make hay over it at the time. Rape is a felony, he was accused by several women, one of those women testified in front of Congress in a highly publicized manner, Kavanaugh responded by whimpering and lashing out at Democrats in front of Congress and the TV cameras, and his nomination was in jeopardy. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
There was zero substantiation of any of the "accusations," several fell apart when looked into, and one appears to have been completely fabricated by an attorney recently indicted for extortion and fraud. But you still somehow seem to really believe them, all of them, to be true. Fortunately for us and for the law, accusations need to be substantiated, so people aren't thrown in jail due to mob excitement, but none in this case were. Regarding Ford's accusation, every named witness denied Ford's account, including Ford's friend Keyser, who was pressured to change her story to support Ford. Ford's lawyer admitted her client wanted an asterisk next to Kavanuagh's name. Kavanaugh knew he was innocent of the smears and fought them hard. The topic itself is notable enough for the lead, since that is what dominated the topic, but we need to present the weaknesses in the accusations a bit better. Character assassination shouldn't be rewarded on Misplaced Pages articles. Mr Ernie (talk) 12:00, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
If we want to get into comparisons, seems the better would be Clarence Thomas, where we definitely include Anita Hill in the lead, and have for almost a decade now. GMG14:06, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Snooganssnoogans -What happens in other Misplaced Pages articles is certainly relevant regarding the standard for inclusion of material in a lede. You keep calling the controversy regarding Sotomayor's "wise Latina" statements a "faux controversy" in a laughable effort to downplay the controversy, and you want to build up the allegations against Kavanaugh. Please, if you can, try to make your point without such obvious bias. We all know rape is a felony. But Kavanaugh was never charged with rape, much less convicted. These allegations against him, while controversial, were unproven, unfounded and in the opinion of many simply not credible. On the other hand, the statements by Sotomayor were also controversial, but in contrast to the Kavanaugh allegations they were indisputably real, and she made them repeatedly to a number of audiences. And - despite the controversies, both Sotomayor and Kavanaugh were confirmed. GlassBones (talk) 20:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
The real issue is that the Thomas article lede should include mention of Anita Hill, the Kavanaugh article lede should include mention of sexual assault allegations, and the Sotomayor article lede should include mention of her "wise Latina" remarks. I was just pointing out that there seems to be a different standard applied to Misplaced Pages articles on conservative vs. liberal justices.GlassBones (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Eh, for the moment I can see why it is there. It is certainly not a huge part of his biography as Muboshgu suggests, but it is something. Almost a whole paragraph might be a bit much tough. PackMecEng (talk) 20:36, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
This article should be deleted; it's so biased. The Sexual Assault Allegations section is blatantly biased in favour of Christine Blasey's account. No mention that Leland Keyser stated she never even met Brett Kavanaugh before, let alone socialized with him and his friends and as far as she was concerned, neither had Christine Blasey. She stated months later that she doesn't believe the alleged attack happened. No mention of the scramble to hear her testimony as expeditiously as possible, Senator Chuck Grassley reported in the media offering to hear her testimony over the phone or Skype because Blasey claimed she was afraid of flying (because of phobias arising from the "attack"). Prosecutor Mitchell questioned Blasey about her surf holidays and long-distance flights to Hawaii and Tahiti and why hadn't she taken up their offer of remote testimony. She did not have a convincing response and many people believe the 'fear of flying' was a ploy to delay the hearings til beyond the midterms. No mention of her ex-boyfriend Brian Merrick's testimony under oath that she once flew in a turboprop plane with him in Hawaii without displaying any fear whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:60A3:8A80:4401:2B4:D96:5AE9 (talk) 02:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
New reversions
I've made some recent reversions attempting to pare down the Blasey Ford section. It was way too long given how long Kavanaugh's been in public life (WP:UNDUE). I think the current section still describes nearly all of the relevant details, after some of the superfluous was filed down. The other 2 allegations are only a paragraph each in length (6 paragraphs), so I think the new length maintains a decent balance. Mr Ernie (talk) 10:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
The WP:UNDUE argument seems quite reasonable. Do you have evidence that the intent is to damage the article? Or is it just speculation?--JOJ04:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Read Mr Ernie's posts on this talk page. His intention is very obviously to downplay the sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh. If anything, the article does not put ENOUGH emphasis on the fact that Kavanaugh was never actually acquitted or proven innocent. The charges were dropped because the FBI investigation was sloppy. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 13:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Stop changing the subject. Mr Ernie has stated ON THIS VERY TALK PAGE, several paragraphs above that he does not believe the allegations against Kavanaugh and claims that they have been proven false. His edit attempted to trim down the section on the allegations, which would've diminished Misplaced Pages's coverage of them. It is obvious that he has an agenda here, and that his edit was in line with thay agenda. If you try to use an ad hominem against me one more time, I WILL report you. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
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