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Goku Info

Hey Dai, I'm struggling to confirm Goku's height for the Vegeta article. Now I only read through trivia that Vegeta is 5,2 and Goku is 5,7 but its constantly being changed to 5,3 and 5,11. You seem to know your way through DBZ so have any clues? Darkwarriorblake 03:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

INCORRECT INFO

We really have to do something about all these unsourced and incorrect info being posted on all the DB articles. What do you have in mind? 3bulletproof16 22:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Tuffles

Why are you changing Tuffles to Tsufurujin? As far as I know, there is no English version that doesn't change it. Also.. "Tsufuru" may be a way to write "Tuffles" in Japanese, therefore the name would be the same, wouldn't it? WhisperToMe 02:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

WhisperToMe 02:09, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

But that shouldn't be the criteria on deciding on a name. Ask yourself: "What is the name that an Anglophone is most likely to think of?"

Now, if the European English dub uses Tuffles too, that solidifies my argument.

You can always argue about the Japanese pun in the page itself. WhisperToMe 06:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dragonball Manga vs Dragonball Z Manga

In response to the comment you left on my talk page, the manga is called Dragonball. From that manga, they made two animated series Dragonball and Dragonball Z. So there is no DBZ manga, unless you consider the English-translated issues of DB that have been retroactively re-titled DBZ (which I believe was only done in the US). But is that really manga? I'm not so sure. Besides, if that's the case than Super Saiyajin and Vegeta only appear in the DBZ "manga." Also note the lack of any DBZ manga article, while DB has both a manga and an anime article. I admit I may have been a little rash to declare DBZ manga as non-existant. It is, perhaps, an over-simplification. But the fact is that DB and DBZ are both from the same manga. To claim that there is a DBZ manga in certain articles when the DBZ article clearly defines it as an animated series is confusing at best and misleading at worst in my opinion. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 11:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Courtesy

As an aside, I would appreciate it if you did not use such condescending language, both on my talk page and in your edit summaries. I was not vandalising or "mindlessly" deleting information, I was editing those pages in order to improve them. We may disagree but that doesn't mean we need to lose our cool. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 11:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts to clear up the misunderstanding between us. Rest assured, I don't take your reversion of my edits personally. As I readily admit, I think my edits were a little extreme. I guess I took that be bold message literally. As far as my comments on courtesy, personally, when someone leaves messages on my Talk Page using language like "do some research" and has a tendency to type words in ALL CAPS (in boldface, no less), it can come across as condescending. You're right, you are "just some person" and so am I. For that reason I cannot treat you like you are "not important" because I wouldn't want someone to treat me that way. I try my best to "speak" (via a keyboard) to everyone with that in mind. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 13:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Recent Debate

Hi Daishokaioshin, i'm here on behalf of your little dispute with Wiki-Star on the Majin Buu article. I'm here to provide evidence over this debate. It has come to my attention that you wish to call Super Buu 'Evil Buu, and Evil Buu 'Thin Buu'. I don't think this is correct. I believe Super Buu should remain as Super Buu, and Evil Buu should remain as Evil Buu. Super Buu is what he is known today because he the result of the fusion of two Majin Buu's. If you were to call him Evil Buu, he would be pure evil, would he not. However this is not the case. It is stated by Piccolo in Episode 241, that he is 'almost' Pure Evil. He also did not attack Mr. Satan or Videl when he had the chance, making it evident that he shows remorse and has some form of conscience. Evil Buu is the opposite. If Evil Buu had not attacked Fat Buu and gone after Mr. Satan he would not have that same opression to attack him, and he would do it without any hesitation. Evil Buu is the direct opposite to Good Buu, therefore he is pure evil (not crazy pure evil though, like Kid Buu). When Evil Buu absorbed Good Buu, Good Buu's memories were given to Evil Buu, and therfore he remembers the kindness Mr. Satan gave him, as well as the king things Good Buu had occasionally done. This in a sense, makes Super Buu partly good himself (only very faintly). To name Evil Buu, Thin Buu is a little confusing to some i beleieve. I think it's easier to call Evil Buu, Evil Buu becuase he is stated to be the direct opposite to Good Buu. It's eaiser to call Super Buu, Super Buu, becuase he is the fusion of two, and simply sounds correct to most fans. I hope this settles some things, thanks

Brad92 23:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I tried to clarify this in that debate, and have refrained from making any edits as of yet. But long story short, Dai is right. It is Evil Buu, and the one we tend to call Evil Buu is Pure Evil Buu. Check the talk page for my full explanation. Onikage725 19:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Reverting at Buu

Hello,

I know you are in the midst of a dispute at Buu, and are trying to discuss it, but please be aware that you are in violation of WP:3RR, have have been listed at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Daishokaioshin. -- Natalya 15:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

====Regarding reversions made on May 8 2006 (UTC) to Buu====

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 12 hours. William M. Connolley 18:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

SSJ5

I think there should be an article for SSJ5. I know its fake, but there should be an article for it so people who beleiven SSJ5 can realize it doesn't exist. I'd make one but I'm new and inexperienced, so could you do it?

Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2

Daishokaioshin, I understand that an IP has continually deleted comments on the article's talk page and has also continued to add a Wanted / Unconfirmed Characters Section to the main article itself. I also understand that the IP has signed and edited using multiple IP addresses and User Names. The fact that he is deliberately deleting comments on the talk page is just pure vandalism. However, the fact that he continues to add the Wanted / Unconfirmed Characters Section is considered as adding speculation which is not allowed on Misplaced Pages. So when he reverts the article to his previous version with the Wanted / Unconfirmed Characters Section, you can just simply refer him to this Misplaced Pages Policy (Misplaced Pages is not a crystal_ball). The other violation that he has committed is - "Using sockpuppets (multiple accounts) to avoid the Three-revert rule limit" - It is a violation of the WP:SOCK Policy. To report this violation, please see the following links...

• Tagging identified sock puppets
• Suspected sockpuppets
• Tagging identified puppeteers
• Difficult to detect sockpuppets

If you have any questions regarding this issue you can ask me or better yet see the Five pillars Policy and What Misplaced Pages is not. Thank you for your continuous contributions to Misplaced Pages.-3bulletproof16 00:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Oozaru

I wanted your opinion on something I asked. On the talk page for Oozaru I asked 2 questions that nobody seems to be answering. You have extensive knoledge of DBZ, so I was wondering if you could answer them for me.KojiDude 04:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

See Oozaru's talk page.-3bulletproof16 04:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Straw Poll

Hello, you are invited to take part in a straw poll at the Majin Buu page to avoid another revert war with User:Wiki-star. --Orion Minor 23:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Request to take Majin Buu to arbitration...

Snurk, snurk, snurk...

After doing a file report on WP:ANI that was lightly brushed away, administrators suggested taking the case to WP:ARB. The theory being, if User:Wiki-star is as bad as all out, he would shoot himslef in the foot (though he should be lookin' somethin' like the Black Knight by now). As a periphery, I don't feel it's right to act as a cornerstone. Would you organize it?

I'm posting this to several parties involved in this 'lil get-together at Majin Buu, so let them know if you get to it first or decline please. This looks to be our final measure. Papacha 06:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's not for *me* really, as I've got outside concerns of my own to tend to. But yeah, I'm loathe to deal with Wiki-star any longer than necessary myself. Papacha 07:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism? Yes it's vandalism.

It's called page blanking. Whether it's just a bunch of insults or not, blanking pages (even talk pages) is considered vandalism by Misplaced Pages policy. Please stop. If you continue to blank pages, as you did to Talk:Dragon Ball Z Power Levels, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. --3bulletproof16 16:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Please don't take this personal. My intention is not to threaten you in any way, shape or form. I honestly do respect you as an editor, and admire your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Please understand that the warning is just a standard procedure. It is just a template designed to clear up vandalism. Please see Template:Blank3-n. I hope you do not take the warning personal. I sincerely value your presence on Misplaced Pages. --3bulletproof16 16:25, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I'll warn the user if he persists. Once again, thank you for your valued contributions to Misplaced Pages. --3bulletproof16 16:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I've had an urge to start a Wikiproject on all things Dragon Ball for quite some time now. I was wondering what other editors much like yourself, thought of this idea. --3bulletproof16 16:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Freakin' Wiki-star. Anyways Daishokaioshin, technically it would be considered vandalism. However, see...

Talk page vandalism

• Deleting the comments of other users from article Talk pages, or deleting entire sections thereof, is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion, except in cases of warnings, which they are generally prohibited from removing, especially where the intention of the removal is to mislead other editors. --3bulletproof16 20:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Japan

Scope and goals

This project is designed to help those interested in improving all of the Japan-related articles on Misplaced Pages to find a particular area in which they are interested in working. As "Japan" is a broad subject, there are many sub-projects and collaborations in which you can participate. We want to:

1. Allow people to more easily locate groups working on Japan-related WikiProjects
2. Create a body of articles that accurately depicts the history and culture of Japan and the Japanese
3. Expand the number of articles regarding Japan and Japanese subjects
4. Further #3 by expanding all Japan-related article stubs
5. Highlight Japan's relationship and contributions to the rest of the world
6. Properly source all Japan-related articles
7. Standardize the style and format of articles on Japan or Japanese subjects; and
8. Standardize the use of Japanese-language terms, names, and translations into English across all related articles, bringing them in line with the WP:MOS-JA.

Check this out.

I cannot believe that while we were all working on our own there was already a Wikiproject on all things Dragon Ball! The Wikiproject seems to have been created on June 11, 2006 and since then no one has taken the time to join. I suggest we inform other contributors about this and see if they are interested in joining to keep this project alive. Then we'll set the ground rules. See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Dragon Ball --3bulletproof16 17:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, some of us posted, but the idea just up and dried on the vine. If y'all can get better mileage this go-round, you've got my full support. Papacha 16:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Dragon Ball GA~!!

I think we're about a stone's throw away from nomming Freeza for good article status (if only to see where the article sits). Any objections or further ideas for improvement of the current page? Papacha 16:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

I just wanted to say thanks for your efforts to stop Taracka's vandalism. Truly a daunting task. In particular, I haven't even noticed the vandilism of my user page until I look at the history. So again, I appreciate your diligence. Onikage725

Ditto. He blanked the clean page I dirtied! Da noive o' dat guy... Papacha 14:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Budokai Tenkaichi 2 Update

Daishokaioshin sorry about the changes (Im new) the source that I got these

• {Android 14}
• {Android 15}
• {Chi Chi}

are from

http://www.dbz-tenkaichi2.new.fr/

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527349

The Apocoslypse Is Comin'

Wiki-star gets back tomorrow.....Do you think the admins will take care of him for good this time? KojiDude (talk) 02:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

HAAA! Don't count on it...--3bulletproof16 02:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Whoa... guess I was wrong, look at this! Looks like Wiki-star was right after all... He said that he wouldn't stop until justice was served... Hmm... Justice tastes so sweet... yes... --3bulletproof16 00:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

With a song in my heart ~~

You can't always get what you want. But if you try sometimes, well you just might find... you get what you need. Papacha 05:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Well isn't that always true, my good friend... You know, kinda makes you wonder if he'd really clean up his act this time around... ... ... NAH... --3bulletproof16 06:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

However... I am going to miss his dramatic way of writing... that Final Atonement speech almost (ahem... ALMOST) brought a tear to my eye. Well not really, but still pretty dramatic. --3bulletproof16 06:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Return of Wiki-Star

Well for once I'm somewhat flattered that he actually addressed me this time. Though I'm not too fond of him saying that he was going to kill me, I do, however, manage to find some comedic relief in all this at the thought of him attempting to kill me. Here's my analysis: He can't write at all so my guess is another Dragon Emperor "Sockpuppet". However, the IPs responsible for the recent vandalism are AOL trolls so there is a slim possibility that Wiki-star could indeed be making himself look like an ass again... --3bulletproof16 21:44, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Majuub or Ubuu?

Hey there, Dai. It's been a while since we last spoke. I've asked you a question on the Uub page. Could you answer it please? Thanks. Jienum 19:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Boysenberries.jpg

Evil saltine 21:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Dragon Ball GT

Do you consider this canon, and do you have any official evidence one way or the other? This one vandal keeps editing the the Bebi (Dragon Ball GT) page and reverting my changes with his only excuse being that he doesn't think GT is canon. TJ Spyke 21:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

You are the vandal, as you have done nothing to prove it's canon, and I have given you lists of facts. You have ignored everything I said, only thinking about YOUR personal opinion, which is bad faith, thus you are the vandal.--KojiDude 21:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Your only fact is that Toriyama didn't write it. You don't think GT is canon, I believe it is(and have not seen any official evidence to prove otherwise). TJ Spyke 22:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sigh... I'm in a neutral position, BTW -- bulletproof 22:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

My Apologies

Yeah, I'm sorry for going on about things I should ask forums since the discussion section, as you and some other person told me many times times in the past, are for discussing the article, not what the article is about. I'll try not to do that anymore. Thank-you, that's all.--Suit-n-tie 05:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Question

Your userpage said if there are any questions about DBZ and yeah...I have a question, when Goku hurls the spirit bomb at Kid Boo, why didn't he dodge?--Suit-n-tie 01:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. That has bothered me for some time...but now I get it.--Suit-n-tie 04:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

huh?

what on earth are you talking about?

I created the tables! It is not likely for a guy to vandalize his own creation. Do you even know what vandalism is?--201 20:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Read the article you linked, moron. Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#What vandalism is not--201 20:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I know the article is everybody's, but the rest of the page is not organized by sagas. The freeza related characters are groupe in the List of villains from dragonball. In the list of characters the characters are organized by races. "Freeza related" is not a race.--201 20:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. There HAS to be a logical criteria for the character groupings. Either races or sagas, but mixig is a bad idea. I didn't use much logic when I created the Freeza table. If we're going by sagas, it is ok (like in the villains list) if not those character belong with the other aliens.

You're not so wrong with the Saiyans and Namekians. If the third group was "aliens" then, there would be a problem. But we have Saiyans, Namekians AND Other aliens, so it is actually ok.

I'm also not so sure about Chaozu and Tenshinhan, maybe they should be in a monsters group, with some other budokai and uranai baba non-human fighters.--201 20:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Fear enough. What about the other fighters?--201 01:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Ranma 1/2 articles

Hello, you mentioned in your comment in the Shampoo page that the manga was still being written, which is wrong. The manga ended its run in Japan way bak in 1996. It is still being translated here in America, though. Seek on the internet, there are places where you can read the whole manga from start to finish. But I have to thank you for deleting a fan-statement that, while based on official information, was worded in a way that was definitively fancruft.Facer 04:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Well, yes, the one who told you it was still being written was wrong. The only manga Rumiko Takahashi is working on right now is Inu Yasha, which should end in a couple of years in Japan, (if not sooner) and she sporadically adds episodes to One Pound Gospel and Mermaid Saga. Perhaps that person meant that Ranma 1/2 was still being published here in the US? Anyway, as for sources, Furinkan.com has extensive information about this, the Ranma 1/2 main page here in Misplaced Pages has it too, and I seem to remeber that Viz had information about this as well, they even published an artbook which had an interview with Rumiko Takahashi discussing the series' run.

By the way, I do know the manga is over, trust me on that, I'm one of the guys who helped translate the fan-published version of Ranma 1/2 in Mexico when the official publication was cancelled after only five volumes, and I'm also one of the guys who followed the script translations of the last three manga volumes we had on the now defunct Ranma mailing list back in 1996-97, so I know what I'm saying. I mean, you are a Dragon Ball fan, so I'm sure you are 100% certain the manga ended in the late 1990's in Japan, right? Well, I'm a Ranma fan, so I am 100% sure that the manga is over... I wish it wasn't though, it's still one of my all time favorites. See you.Facer 07:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Hey Dai i wanna say sorry if i came on too strong. I am new at this, so bear with me. I am a person who LOVES DB and anything to do with it. I do not take anything personal but i love disscussing and debating DB, DBZ, and DBGT. I like the way you know you stuff but I am on your level so you in for a fight when we disagree on something as you can see. HeatP 4 November 2006

Oh Now i get you. Again sorry so that stuff early. but do not take some so personal. i came to you like the person i am and said sorry. but i also like to help with the editing of the stuff but it not just me. many of these guys and girls are put edit summaries on there that sparks up a debate mind you that you have been part of many time as posted. So don't take you frustrations out on me. and i wont do the same and i will help weed out the one starting depates. i have no reason to degrade a fella DB fan unless they are put nonsense on the discussion. yes i am wrong for going into depating but i just need someone to put it straight to me. THANK YOU!! for real. So as my hand is out for a friendly hand shake and call this debate stuff off but if there is something i don't agree with but does have something to do with the article then i will say my two cents. but will try to keep it within the article. again sorry for the outlashing and sorry for the fight remark too and thanks again.

Heat P 07:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Bebi -> Baby_Baby-2006-11-24T04:31:00.000Z">

Another move request at Talk:Bebi--SUIT 04:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)_Baby"> _Baby">

Trouble in paradise

We're having a little problem we're trying to resolve. Another move request over at Talk:Hercule (Dragon Ball), since apparently winning the last one didn't "count." Care to weigh in? Onikage725 07:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you think?

There's a troll that is reverting my redirects from a few articles that seem to be plain listcruft. (List of Dragon Ball DVDs List of Dragon Ball video games, List of Dragon Ball episodes) I believe it is unnecessary to have such lists because of the fact that there are templates that list most of the information there already. The third article in question is nothing more than a list of movies and links to other lists. A comment on this issue would be greatly appreciated. -- bulletproof 03:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Dragon World

Please see Talk:Dragon World dispute for your vote on whether we should keep the Human (Dragon World) article or have it merged into Dragon World. Thanks! Power level (Dragon Ball) 15:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Cui

How is it pretty clear that Cui is weaker than Dodoria, I personally believe it but it is never confirmed. Zarbon in his MONSTER form could beat Vegeta, is it not impossible that Normal Zarbon is a little higher than Dodo-Brain, and Dodo was EQUAL to Cui? I believe Dodoria was higher But It is not confirmed -- General Cui 04:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I thought Cui was a bit stronger than Vegeta on earth, in the Anime they say that. -- General Cui 05:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dodoria

I notice that you have provided a number of comments on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Dodoria, but have not actually voted. (Though your intention is clear enough.) Please consider marking a vote such as "Support" or "Oppose" in a bullet point, in addition to responding directly to comments. I'd hate for your opinion not to be counted on a technicality. (Also, please try to more clearly format your comments in the standard AFD structure. It makes it somewhat more difficult to follow the discussion, if that is the right term. JRP 04:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Bad memories/ Taracka

Do you want me to delete this stuff from your page history? --Deskana (talk) 20:47, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Gone. Merry Christmas to you too. :-) --Deskana (talk) 21:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Folken de Fanel

By the way, I'm not attempting to defend Folken, as I have had problems with him in the past. He DOES personally attack people, for no reason, and make assumptions about people's lives outside of Misplaced Pages when he has no knowledge about the person whatsoever. He started a gigantic argument on my talk page once, insisting I apologize for "being racist" because I noted that his user page says he is from France, and I suggested that the reason we were having difficulty communicating may be due to a language barrier. From the disjointed manner in which he barraged me with demands that I apologize, and denying he had made any personal attacks, while simultaneously launching more of them, it only supported my suggestion.
Daishokaioshin 01:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Daikaioshin, you were the one who personally attacked me, because you couldn't stand that anyone could have a different opinion. Folken de Fanel 09:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I am extremely open-minded and have no problem with other people having other opinions. You, as usual, are making judgements about people without knowing anything about them. Don't try to defend your actions on TTN's talk page, or anywhere else. You were wrong. Also, I've noticed I'm not banned yet. You said that if I didn't apologize, you'd have me banned. So where's the ban? If you want to comment towards me, use my talk page, rather than spamming TTN's talk page with your grotesque lack of personal skills, and your overabundance of arrogance and self-justification for wrong-doings. In the future, comment on the topic at hand, rather than throwing in your little snide comments.

Daishokaioshin 04:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

You have problem with other people having other opinions. Because I've read what you wrote about me when I "dared" to contradict you. You might have forgotten it and be trying to alter the facts, but I remember well.

I am not "making judgements about people without knowing anything about them".

First, what you've just said is a personal agression, which is a proof of what I'm saying, that you are attacking anyone against you.

Second, it's a complete lie, since everything I say is strickly based on what I can read, and more precisely of what you said to me. If I say you were the first to attack me, it's because it's true, because I was directly concerned by your agressions.

And in fact, you are the only person making judgement about persons you don't know.

"Don't try to defend your actions on TTN's talk page, or anywhere else" : First don't give me orders, I'll do what I want.

Second, I've got nothing to "defend", all I did was to contradict you and to prove my point. I've not commited any "crimes". Being right is not a crime. I don't care whether you being always right on Misplaced Pages is your only reason to live or not.

Third, what "actions" are you talking about ? I've merely explained, with many relevant details about a DB databook, why TTN was wrong, and do I have to remind you that a day before you were approving my "actions" and defending me against TTN ? That is, until I stated the truth about your behavior towards me and you decided I was a bloodthirsty criminal...

What "actions anywhere else" are you talking about ? Please don't make accusations without solid proofs.

"You were wrong." . No. I'm right and I've proved it.

"Also, I've noticed I'm not banned yet." And you still haven't succeeded to ban me (but I admit it's a very difficult task, when your only accusation is "he dared to contradict me and to prove I was wrong !").

"You said that if I didn't apologize, you'd have me banned. So where's the ban?" Again your attacking me personally. I note here provocation, even menace. That's funny how you're trying to turn this discussion into a lynching when you're the one who was wrong. But if you so want to get banned, be sure you've chosen the best way to reach your aim.

"If you want to comment towards me, use my talk page": That's funny, I don't remember you leaving any message on my talk page, before you falsely accused me of "personaly-attacking everyone" and depicted me as a mad agressor and returned to your old racial insults against me.

"rather than spamming TTN's talk page with your grotesque lack of personal skills"

First, you're the only one here spamming his talk page since you've intentionally used this opportunity to try to avenge you. You've intentionnally made false accusations to make me react so that you could lynch me.

"grotesque lack of personal skills" : Well, if that's not characteristic personal attack, and rather violent I should say, not counting your obvious way of "assumling things when you don't know anything about the persons you're talking to". Who are you to say such things ?

"and your overabundance of arrogance and self-justification for wrong-doings." You're so funny. So contradicting you and having right when you are wrong is a "wrong-doing", now ? As if it was a crime. Now, to clear things up: I've never commited any wrong doing. I've always been absolutely and undisputably right, the first time I merely put a self-righteous kid in his place, and now I'm just preventing the very same kid to spread lies.

"In the future, comment on the topic at hand, rather than throwing in your little snide comments." : Funny, because that's exactly what you've refused to do here. So I refuse this sentence and I return it to you. In the future, comment on the topic at hand, rather than throwing in your little snide comments, Daishokaioshin. Folken de Fanel 11:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)