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This article has been edited since the translation finished. Please see this version for the text as it appeared immediately after translation. Carcharoth 23:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Now proofread. Carcharoth 18:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Name change proposal

I propose that the move from 1356 Basel earthquake to Basel earthquake be undone (but that the talk page which was created here is moved back), and a redirect from Basel earthquake to 1356 Basel earthquake be left in place. As the redirect at 1356 Basel earthquake (created by the move) has no history, I think a simple move back can be done, but I will list at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves, as Matthead (who originally moved the page) has expressed preference for Basel earthquake. See also the discussion at User_talk:Matthead#1356_Basel_earthquake. Carcharoth 23:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Specific Google searches show 331 hits for "1356 Basel earthquake" , 607 for "Basel earthquake" (which also includes the 331 hits for "1356 Basel earthquake", so that is about 276 hits for pages with "Basel earthquake" but not "1356 Basel earthquake") , 43 for "Basel 1356 earthquake" , and 18 for "Basel earthquake of 1356" , and 14 for "Great Basel Earthquake" . Carcharoth 23:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to move, unless there have been other earthquakes in Basel; why should the reader or linker be expected to remember the year? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I see that the discussion there involves how to link. I see nothing wrong with linking "1356 Basel earthquake", and doing so allows us the flexibility of writing "Basel earthquake of 1356," or even, in a suitable context, "The year after her marriage, the Basel earthquake..." In a parallel case, Alexander Cruden links "The Correctors Earnest Address to the Inhabitants of Great Britain, published in 1756, was occasioned by the earthquake at Lisbon". Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Your last example of linking uses piping. Why not do that for all the examples? Here is the example with and without piping:
Piping solves most problems, and articles should be at the most common name used to refer to the event, not the name that is most convenient for Misplaced Pages editors. In any case, redirects deal with both the problems of readers and editors typing in 'Basel earthquake'. Carcharoth 22:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Piping is a (small) inconvenience; as at Cruden, which pipes because the phrasing 1755 Lisbon earthquake would be unnatural. We should not force the choice between inconvenience and artificiality. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
So you agree that 1356 Basel earthquake is the right format, like 1755 Lisbon earthquake? Both are the names commonly used to refer to the event. Seems clear-cut to me - if the literature is referring to this earthquake as the 1356 Basel earthquake, why on earth should we have the right to turn around and insist on calling it the Basel earthquake? Carcharoth 19:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
What have I said to suggest such a conclusion?
On the contrary, we now use 1755 Lisbon earthquake; and you propose adding 1356 Basel earthquake. We should do neither; both forms are inconvenient, long, and unnecessarily disambiguated. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Since when are the title of Misplaced Pages articles when referring to a named event meant to be constructed on the basis of convenience or minimal disambiguation? General topic articles, yes, you have to be creative and precise with article names, but for specific named objects and events, the main criterion is the most commonly used name. I agree that with earthquake articles it is not clear cut (the names "1755 Lisbon earthquake", "Lisbon earthquake" and "Great Lisbon Earthquake" seem equally well-used). I have been searching for a guide on earthquake naming conventions, but haven't found anything so far. The default seems to be to use the name in the literature. In this case, the 1356 Basel earthquake. Can you explain why we should use a different name to that used by those writing and studying the event? Carcharoth 02:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, the first two references used in this article refer to it as the 1356 Basel earthquake. Anyway, I'm off to actually link this article to others in the encyclopedia! Carcharoth 23:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Something I've realised might not be clear from the above is that the article was originally at 1356 Basel earthquake. When creating the translation request, I considered both 1356 Basel earthquake and Basel earthquake for the title, but neglected to actually do all the redirects after I'd chosen 1356 Basel earthquake (based on what the references called it and what other historical earthquakes have been called). Anyway, I'll go and do all these redirects now. Carcharoth 23:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Redirects

I think the above are all reasonable (I didn't write out all possible combinations of capital letters and spellings of Basel). Carcharoth 23:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)