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Operation PBFortune scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that Operation PBFortune has been scheduled as WP:TFA for 27 August 2020. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/August 27, 2020. Thanks! Ealdgyth (talk) 22:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Ealdgyth: Thanks! I reviewed the blurb when it was written post-FAC, and it looks good. I'll keep an eye on teh article, too. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:58, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the article "about an abortive attempt by the US government to overthrow the Guatemalan government of Jacobo Arbenz. It was a prelude to the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état, an episode of major importance to US-Latin America relations. I have dredged through virtually all of the substantive English secondary source material, and some of the Spanish material, too."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Gerda! Vanamonde (Talk) 15:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

September

Every once in a while, I have a TFA as well, happy that it was also a tribute to Brian, in great collaboration, fine Main page, and see also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding DYK Franz-Peter Weixler

Hi, Vanamonde93 I have removed the self-publishing source (BOD books) as references both from article and the hook and added it as a publication. Please have a look. Thank you ~ Amkgp 💬 19:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Vanamonde93 Updated as per your latest suggestion ~ Amkgp 💬 19:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

What to do?

Hey, I saw your name popup here, so decided to contact you. I have been recently hounded by Grufo, and I posted about this on ANI but no one responded. Basically, Grufo has followed me around on 10 different articles they've never edited before and undone my changes in whole or in part.

The user is edit warring on Rape in Islamic law to restore material added by an indef blocked user. In the last message on the talk page, Grufo makes no content-related justification, instead says I will not go into details, because discussing with Vice regent is exhausting and I do not have the time now, before making personal attacks on me. Grufo also made another personal attack a few hours ago, for which they were warned by an admin.

Can you advise me on what to do next? Talk page discussions aren't productive with someone who refuses to talk and makes personal attacks.VR _talk 18:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, Grufo really should not be speculating about anyone's motivations (see WP:ASPERSIONS) but aside from a few poorly-judged comments I'm seeing this as fundamentally a content dispute. I do not have either the time or the inclination to explore the sources in depth to determine if there's any source misuse going on. I would recommend going to DRN. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:50, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

What about user behavior? Are my concerns that I'm being followed around (WP:HOUND) valid? If so, what should I do in that case?VR _talk 18:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Following an editor as such is not a problem. Following with an intent to cause distress is a problem. Determining whether that is happening here requires determining whether Grufo's concerns with your edits are valid, and as I said before, I do not have the time to make that determination. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I understand you're busy. I believe my edits valid, is there anything I can do to show that? Or just wait for someone to respond on the ANI?VR _talk 01:29, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Wait for someone to investigate on ANI, or go to DRN. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

MEDrs revert

Hi, I removed much of the content on 2020_novel_bunyavirus_outbreak whilst Afding it as unsourced medical content, do you think it would be justified to revert to the one sentence which was the only verifiable content. My understanding was that the restoring editor needs to add MEDRS citations when it is removed on that basis, I left a note on the talk page but I would appreciate your input as an experienced user. Cheers PainProf (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

With the qualifier that I am not an expert on medical articles: my understanding is that reliable news media sources are acceptable for the social and economic aspects of a medical topic, but not for the scientific aspects. The article may be pared down with that in mind. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:43, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Cheers, I will ask the user to revert, and adds MEDRS before including those claims. PainProf (talk) 20:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Eric Rosen

Hello!

You recently deleted the Eric Rosen (chess player) page, and I wanted to have a bit of a follow-up about that. I have read and understand the reasoning you gave for deletion, but I would like to discuss it a bit more in-depth. Several users who have a clear grasp and understanding of the rules in question (i.e. User:Roman Spinner) weighed in with a "Keep" vote. In my understanding, the AfD space is about gaining consensus on an article's deletion before deleting it (essentially "innocent before proven guilty"), but I don't see that having happened here. Obviously I am a relative newbie when it comes to these things, so if you could point me to a page that explains where I'm going wrong here it would be much appreciated. Thanks! AviationFreak💬 21:48, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, consensus is built on strengths of arguments, not just on numbers. The argument that he was notable because he won a championship was significantly weakened by the fact that it was a school championship. The press coverage was entirely local. The number of citations in an article (also referred to by someone who was arguing to keep) is really quite irrelevant, because it's the quality of those citations that matters. And arguing for notability based just on youtube views doesn't carry much weight either; a hundred thousand views doesn't indicate much these days, and while the WP:ENT argument isn't unreasonable, it's not strong enough to overcome all the opinions in favor of deletion. In sum, there's not really anything major you're misunderstanding, except perhaps that we often rely on the notability criteria as written, and don't stretch them beyond that. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Goulburn Valley Seconds Eighteens Football Association.

Hi, I am really disappointed with what you have done to months of research work I have put into the both the GVFA and GVSEFA sites, compiling months of valuable grand final history from 1888 to 1930 and you go and delete it because you think it's not newsworthy". This really is a despicable act to do without discussing with me how to improve the site. How on earth has this improved the site ?

Your have also deleted the site - Goulburn Valley Second Eighteens Football Association in the process. There was heaps of valuable history citations and links to back up each and every entry.

Why would you do such a thing ?

I am really disappointed with your actions.

I am a local in the North East / Goulburn Valley Victoria region and have got very positive feedback from the initial history information I loaded and you go and delete it. I think my research standards are are invaluable and all backed up with citations and would appreciate your response why you took such actions.

Thanks, Justin Kelly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justin Kelly (talk • contribs)

@Justin Kelly: I'm sorry you feel that way, but many locally important topics are found not to meet our standards for notability. Morever, nothing has been deleted; the article has merely been redirected to a different title, and all the material is easily recovered from the history of those articles. Please do not restore it at the moment, because I redirected the article after a deletion discussion. I suggest you find enough references to show that the association meets our basic notability guidelines for organizations, write a draft article in your userspace, and then use the articles for creation process to create it. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Who made you the decider of what is relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raemike0 (talk • contribs) 03:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I am an administrator, and closing deletion discussions is one of the things administrators do. If you disagree with the outcome of that discussion, though, you need to find evidence that the subject of that article meets our notability standards. Under no circumstances should you edit-war over the closure. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Proving Anti Hindu bias on the page Anti Hindu Semtiments

Any authour who speaks about Genocides of Hindus by Islamic invaders isnt "reliable" for Misplaced Pages. The reason is as simple as that the Marxist Historians will never talk about the gory history and what isnt from Marxists will not be allowed on Misplaced Pages, Thus provong Misplaced Pages's role in 'suppresion' of information regarding pogroms against Hindus even at pages particularly designed to reflect Anti Hindu sentiments. Congrats. Mr IndianCotton (talk) 01:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

If you have issues with our guideline about reliable sources, the place to take that up is at the village pump, not in a rant on my talk page. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Revision Delete request

This edit on Stone pelting in India introduced BLP violations on ex-AAP councillor Tahir Hussain. Please also see Tahir Hussain (politician). SerChevalerie (talk) 13:09, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Removed, per WP:IAR, for anyone watching. SerChevalerie The user has been warned about discretionary sanctions before; a trip to AE seems warranted. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:29, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, have done the needful. SerChevalerie (talk) 16:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Syria national football team results 2009

You closed this AFD a few days ago, but have not executed the close ie the pages have not been redirected... GiantSnowman 14:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: That was intentional; there wasn't sufficient discussion to determine what the aggregated titles should be, and they didn't all exist, meaning I could not perform the redirects. The onus to do that is on the OP and whoever else cared strongly enough to support that proposal. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Standard naming convention is eg England national football team results (or England national football team results (2000–19) if the history is to be broken down) - so we need:

Syria national football team results

Oman national football team results

Qatar national football team results

Saudi Arabia national football team results

Turkmenistan national football team results

Kazakhstan national football team results

All of which already exist... GiantSnowman 14:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Maybe, but as with most "merge" closures, I don't see why I shouldn't let the nominator handle this. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Your ping didn't work btw. @KingSkyLord: can you resolve please? GiantSnowman 14:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman: Gotcha covered! KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Franz-Peter Weixler

Please see note on your DYK review. Yoninah (talk) 15:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Speeches of Narendra Modi

Please see my reply to your comment over at Talk:Speeches of Narendra Modi. Thanks. DTM (talk) 06:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

New User

Vanamonde84, account recently created with very similar name to you, thought i'd let you know in case it amounts to anything. Regards, Zindor (talk) 23:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Zindor: Thanks for letting me know. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:25, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Orlando Bosch

On 28 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Orlando Bosch, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cuban exile Orlando Bosch was arrested in 1964 after he was found towing a torpedo through rush-hour traffic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Orlando Bosch. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Orlando Bosch), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Babri Masjid

Please would you consider moving the heading What article is about what so that the section includes your post of 16:47, 28 August 2020 and my reply. Talk page guidance makes me extremely reluctant to put my heading above your comment, whereas it is perfectly OK for you to do it with my agreement.

Regarding the issue of which articles I think lack neutrality - I will answer this another day, under a different heading.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:30, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

@Toddy1: I appreciate you asking, but I think it's in the right place, actually; the comment you link here was in reference to the "replacement" mosque in the lead, and should stay there. I'm happy to reiterate anything I said there in any other discussion. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:29, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

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The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Thank you, Synoman Barris, that's appreciated. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Adminship request

Hello

I have been a user on Misplaced Pages for a long time now. I wanted to acquire adminship to stop vandalism on particular pages that contain topics which are extremely communal in our country but are protected by extended protection. I request you to please nominate me as I gone through the Rfa guidelines and I think I am capable of being an Admin.

Thank you! Superbsic (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Superbsic:, being an administrator on Misplaced Pages requires substantial experience with one or more areas in which administrators work, and substantial knowledge of our basic policies and guidelines. With one week's tenure and 25 edits, I'm afraid you're rather far from having that experience. I suggest you find some topics you are interested in writing about, and work on improving them using good sources. Don't worry about adminship. If you have the right sort of background, other users will look to nominate you of their own accord when you've been here long enough. Best, Vanamonde (Talk) 15:45, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

And as a follow-up, if you persist in adding egregious BLP violations like this one, your chances of being indefinitely blocked are high, and your chances of becoming an admin are nonexistent. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Clarify

I saw this and this comment of yours. My proposals were in good faith and I took time to carefully craft them - if you feel they're too long I can trim them further. I am still familiarizing myself with the process of RfCs, so errors can happen. If you have any suggestions on how I should edit/discuss differently, please leave me a message.VR _talk 16:26, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vice regent: I did not say they were not, I was pointing out what they looked like, in the context of the history of that discussion. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:47, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU 18:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU, much appreciated. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:59, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

RfA Flight Candidates

Hi Vanamonde. As someone who frequently serves as a nominator at RfA I was wondering if you had anyone on tap who might want to join in on the RfA flight in a couple weeks? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:32, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Thanks for checking in; unfortunately, I do not. The number of people I have failed to persuade to run far exceeds those that have been willing, and there's no one willing at the moment. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Talk about some true words The number of people I have failed to persuade to run far exceeds those that have been willing. Thanks for the response. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:43, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Aurora: Beyond Equality

On 4 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Aurora: Beyond Equality, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Alice Sheldon authored two stories in the feminist science fiction collection Aurora: Beyond Equality, as the editors were unaware that her two pseudonyms represented the same person? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Aurora: Beyond Equality. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Aurora: Beyond Equality), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks. Drmies (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

@Drmies: You're most welcome. I'm sorry you've to deal with that crap. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ricardo Morales (FBI informant)

Hello! Your submission of Ricardo Morales (FBI informant) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)