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How about...

What about this? People can quit complaining about the bold, etc. and people have something that actually stands out a little bit without being too intrusive. --Lord Voldemort 21:32, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

• I find this much more annoying than what we have. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:16, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Well, good for you, but quite a few people want it changed, and there has been no real consensus on anything on this template. See my comment a few threads up. What would you like seen done? --Lord Voldemort 14:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

• If I had a proposal I'd have made it; I'm just weighing in, saying I prefer the status quo to this particular alternative. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:02, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

• I like it. I would just indent the triangle a little farther to the right. --michael180 14:11, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
• It looks nice, and the icon is cute, but I find it unnecessary. At best, it's harmless. At worst, it gets in the way and places unnecessary extra load on the image servers. -Aranel ("Sarah") 16:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
  • It's only 4994 bytes. ‡ Jarlaxle 17:27, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, but this template is used on hundreds of articles. It can add up. (It reminds me a little of the stub images. Cute, but they kept having to be taken down to ease the load on the server.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 19:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Well what if I chopped it down and saved it as a smaller image? And many people want the spoiler warning changed to stand out more. I understand about the server load, but could we make it stand out more? People above already shot down a colored box (and I'm not talking about hot pink). I just didn't know how else to go about having it stand out more. --Lord Voldemort 16:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I have it down to 1,041 bytes. Would that be small enough? Let me know and I'll upload it. --Lord Voldemort 16:30, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Personally, the template should be left alone. An image would be obtrusive and regardless of the image size, it would put an unnecessary strain on the server. Design changes including color, images (twice fairly recently), boxes etc have been discussed before and all have been reverted to what we have now. K1Bond007 17:32, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Well the image discussions above seem to be about a huge red stop sign (did you see that edition?!?!) and a small exclamation point. The stop sign is obvious, but the small single exclamation point (not the one I have suggested) did not have a "clear consensus"). And just because something gets reverted doesn't mean that is must be wrong. Reading the archive and this page makes it clear to me that more people want the warning to be noticable than don't. There seems to be a group of 4 or 5 editors who might be trying to claim ownership. Just my thoughts. --Lord Voldemort 17:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Based on my reading of the page (which I agree is not necessarily any more valid than yours), it is certainly not clear that there is actual consensus that it should be made more noticeable in some way. Most discussion has focused ona particular proposal to make the template stand out, not on the idea in general. Perhaps it would be reasonable to start some kind of straw poll to see how much support/opposition there is for any change to make the template more noticeable before getting into debates about which method should be used. -Aranel ("Sarah") 18:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

What are you talking about? 4 or 5 editors claiming ownership? Where are you getting the people want this template to stand out more at too? There is no consensus on that. If anything it seems to be the other way around. K1Bond007 19:05, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Then why do people change it so often? And I'm not just talking about this talk page. People on other pages have mentioned that it should stand out more. And the "claiming ownership" thing was not literal. People just revert claiming consensus and don't think to listen to others. That's all I meant. Whatever, I don't really care, I was just offering solutions. Cheers. --Lord Voldemort 20:54, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

• Here is my submission as candidate for a new spoiler template. --None-of-the-Above 09:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Story Line

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Going upper left is fine, but the "loud" icon is excessive. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:24, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

When reading the other comments I figured I would get that remark. I could make its baby brother. I like the exclamation mark, even if tiny, to differentiate between the spoiler and the other text. What really annoys me about the current template is that there are so many lines that when placed under a sub-section title it looks really busy. Thanks for the criticization. --None-of-the-Above 05:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

My next submission

!!! THE ICON is ONLY FOR EXAMPLE !! A new non-windows icon would have to be created !!!

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Use of "and/or"

IMHO the "and/or" can be replaced with a simple "or". Natural language "or" is flexible. Nobody will read it and expect it to mean a strict exclusive or. The "and/or" is in this case an ugly and useless kludge. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.112.0.7 (talk • contribs) 12:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC).

I agree. Even better would be a simple "plot details follow." After all, the ending is part of the plot, isn't it? Note: I still oppose the spoiler template (details on my user page), but if we're going to have one it should have the best wording in the least obtrusive way possible. --דוד ♣ D Monack 00:22, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I would be bold and change this, but it's protected. Please change "and/or" to "or". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.225.67.108 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 8 January 2006 (UTC).

Please note that you're replying to an old discussion. The wording was changed in this manner, and then it was changed back. (There doesn't appear to be a consensus.) Perhaps we should sidestep the issue by changing the wording to "Plot/ending details follow." (We should leave the word "ending" intact, because many readers otherwise might assume that the article contains only minor details that don't spoil the ending.) —David Levy 23:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

The word "ending" doesn't need to be in there. The words "spoiler warning" should be sufficient for all but the most distracted reader. I don't understand what's unclear about "Spoiler warning: plot details follow" or, if this is not strong enough, "Spoiler warning: significant plot details follow". In my view, "and/or" has got to go. It is non-standard English. Quoting The Elements of Style: "And/or. A device, or shortcut, that damages a sentence and often leads to confusion or ambiguity." --dm 04:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Should we allow users to click to skip to the end of the spoiler?

We could let users skip any spoiler by using the following:

We could then edit the {{endspoiler}} template to have the #endspoiler bookmark. Clicking "skip this section" will jump the section if readers wish to skip. It will be easier than scrolling and looking for the endspoiler notice, and perhaps accidently reading something from the spoiler.

The formatting may be ugly, and the exact wording could be done better, but that can be changed later. Right now I'd just like to hear your comments on the general idea. Thanks--Krackpipe 13:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

It won't work if there are multiple spoiler/endspoiler pairs in an article. I'm not aware of any articles that have more than one endspoiler tag; on the other hand, there are many, many articles with just {{spoiler}} (sometimes several of them, in different sections) and no {{endspoiler}}, and the link won't work there, either. —Cryptic (talk) 16:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

But if it doesn't work, people can add the endspoilers template when they find out about it, especially if you add a noinclude notice to the template, when they come here after seeing the change. Infinity0 18:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

If we could get the formatting stuff to work (Maybe multiple templates? "Spoilers1" "Spoilers2" etc.) I would like it. But if there was a way to actually hide the spoiler sections and have a "reveal the spoilers" button, I think that would be the best. --Jazz Hands'n' Sam 21:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Cryptic/spoiler.js. —Cryptic (talk) 05:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

We could always just make a parameterized spoiler template and end spoiler template. I've done so and made a test page that works fairly simply with the functionality desired.--Burzum 03:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Time limit

There should be a clear Misplaced Pages policy concerning the time limit for "spoiler warnings". Obviously, things do not stay "fresh" forever: after a certain amount of time, they "spoil" on their own, and it is not possible to "spoil" them further: Luke's dad is Darth Vader; "Rosebud" is a sled; Dil's a dude. Personally, I'd put that time limit at about 30 days, but given that some works are not released simultaneously around the world, a longer period might be advisable. Perhaps as much as a year from the first date of publication. I have encountered one person on Misplaced Pages who has opined that "spoiler warnings" are not time-sensitive at all. If that were so, every article devoted to a fictional subject would be plastered with these hysterical "spoiler warnings". I hope we can all agree how absurd that would be. Such nonsense is properly relegated to fan sites and bulletin boards -- it has no place in an encyclopedia. -- BBlackmoor , 2005-12-9 T 08:07 Z

I agree with you, but I think you are too optimistic in thinking that there can be an agreement on this. I've gotten flack when I remove "spoiler" warnings from operas hundreds of years old. - Nunh-huh 08:31, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Every one reads or views a work for the first time, for someon who has not yet read a work, spolers are still spoilers. On USENET discussion fora (whrw spoiler warnings are common, the "freshness" factor is usaully not applied until a work has been in print for say 5-10 years, and then only on works populer enought that it is reasoanble to assume that almost anyoen in that forum will have read the eork or heard the spoielr info. For more obscurfe works this is even less reasonabel. And since wikipedia has a much less uniform audience, I don't think that any perception of when a work is too old to need spoilker warnings is reasonable or safe. DES 18:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

This should only apply to very famous works which practically everyone has heard about. I have never heard of "rosebud" or "dil". 1 year, let alone 30 days, is too short a period for everyone to have read a book. It is probably okay to reveal basic facts of any book, even without a spoiler warning, if this does not reveal the ending or other important events. Pcu123456789 01:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree. There is always some people who may not read/hear the story at all, no matter how famous it is. What's more, it seems no hurt to leave this spoiler note, in case if it helps.--Wai Wai 05:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If you need a more visible spoiler warning ...

For a more visible spoiler warning check out Template:spoiler2. It looks like this: Template:Spoiler2

--Cyde Weys _talk 20:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

The situation has updated, please see Misplaced Pages talk:Spoiler warning#A more visible spoiler warning and continue discussion there. --Cyde Weys _talk 12:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Avoid using meta-templates

This is in response to Netoholic's revert:

1. We have an entire category of "if" templates, and we've incorporated this type of setup into numerous tags (including {{main}} and {{cleanup}}). How is this any different? —Lifeisunfair 17:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

2. Have your editing restrictions been lifted? If so, does this mean that you intend to go right back to template revert warring? —Lifeisunfair 17:31, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

1. Those other templates are also in violation of the WP:AUM guidelines. -- Netoholic @ 17:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

• I seem to recall that Netoholic objected to teh existance of {{spoiler-about}} when it was initally created. Which would he prefer: the optional parameter in this template, or the existance of two simialr tempaltes? And why? I note also that WP:AUM syas that such constructs should be avoided not that they are banned altogether, and it mostly discusses structure tempaltes, not conditional parameter tempaltes (which did not exist whan that page was first written). It is not clear to me whether WP:AUM should apply to conditional parameter tempaltes, because few if any of the alternatives it suggests can be applied to achieve the same goals as such templates. DES 18:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Having two similar templates is probably the best way not to violate WP:AUM for the time being. It's not hard to maintain the format of two templates, and the usage is quite well-documented. -- Netoholic @ 18:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

• I don't see what Netoholic is trying to do here ... is he really saying that {{main}} and {{cleanup}} should be thrown out? Is it even possible to do them any other way? And how else would we implement the logic of "If an argument is specified, put in about text, else, display default" without using meta-templates? It's one thing to fix the template to avoid the use of meta-templates. That's constructive. It's quite another thing entirely to revert and create a loss of functionality. --Cyde Weys _talk 18:13, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • "how else would we implement the logic" - we don't. We get by using multiple templates, without losing any functionality in this case. I'm not prepared to get into a discussion on this page about the other templates you mentioned. I only want to point out that the present system of spoiler & spoiler-about works just fine. -- Netoholic @ 18:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Alright then, how about my original issue of having a separate, higher-visibility version of the template used in cases where the spoilers cover more than the scope of the article. Normally when you're reading an article you tend to skim right over the spoiler warnings because you expect there to be spoilers for subjects encompassed by the article. But what if there is a tangentially-related spoiler for something else, the spoiler tries to warn you about it, but you just skim over it as always? This has already happened to at least one person who got so annoyed he felt compelled to vent in the talk page. There should be a spoiler tag that looks different that says something to the effect of, "Hey you, this isn't the usual yada yada, you really need to read this spoiler text because it warns about spoilers you wouldn't be expecting going on just the name of the article" ... i.e. spoiling the ending of Cowboy Bebop in the Crows section of Samurai Champloo. --Cyde Weys _talk 18:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
      • You can probably do it using the hiddenStructure CSS hack. Just turn on some additional markup if the optional parameter is passed in. —Kirill Lokshin 18:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
        • I suppose that could work. So we could have two optional parameters: one is the "about text" and the other is a flag that says, "Hey, you better look more noticeable." --Cyde Weys _talk 18:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
          • Given the fact that the "about" parameter signifies the presence of a spoiler that's relatively unexpected (because it doesn't relate to the article's titular subject), it could serve both purposes (without the need for a second parameter). —Lifeisunfair 18:52, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
        • Many people have tried to make spoiler messages bigger, but the community has always kicked that down. I don't think we need the CSS trick right here, right now. We have several spoiler notices that can be used, so we really don't have anything to gain right now. -- Netoholic @ 18:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

If you actually read the technical issues, they don’t relate to using metatemplates but to changing them, a fact the persistant edit warrior Netoholic chooses to ignore in his ill-informed and dangerous crusade, and one that means that the most is necessary may be protecting the logic templates. Given Netoholic’s editing restrictions, which clearly remain necessary, I believe that has changes should be reverted whole. Susvolans ⇔ 16:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, not really... you've either misread, misunderstood, or misrepresenting, but Jamesday's comments extend to all meta-template use. Changing the root template just makes matters much worse because it triggers a massive purge from the cache. -- Netoholic @ 16:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Spoiler-free Template?

Hello, everybody. I was just wondering if there is a "Spoiler-free" template or is there a point in creating it? You see, sometimes you read an article (without any spoiler warnings) and wonder whether it is "safe" to read any further or the author simply forgot the template. Does it make any sense? PS: E.g. ZanZarah and Drakan articles are completely spoiler-free. --Koveras 14:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge. I don't think this is a good idea either. A lot of people object to the spoiler warning in the first place. K1Bond007 17:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I see. Well, on the German Misplaced Pages, they've abolished the spoiler template generally. Now there are dozens of articles, where the authors have to write "Spoilers ahead, please, take caution" in plain text. I consider this stupidity, but that's just my personal opinion. --Koveras 10:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm curious... How has eliminating the spoiler template worked out for German Misplaced Pages. Have they been inundated by complaints from readers who had their enjoyment of Moby-Dick or The Castle ruined by unexpected plot details? -- D.M. 09:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...my reading of Moby Dick was spoiled when I found out prematurely that

Template:Spoiler

THE WHALE'S A ROBOT!!!

Template:Endspoiler

Flameviper12 21:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

"Skip spoilers" link

I request that this template include "Skip spoilers" as a link to the tag which exists in {{endspoiler}}. Infinity0 16:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

You may want to look a little further up the page. I think that this link should be there. --Krackpipe 12:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I made a template as such; what pure genius, at Template:Spoil. All you need to type in is {{spoil|X}}, where X is the name of the next section, provided it has one. If not, don't use the template. Anyway...I wish that there was an If template, like there is on Uncyclopedia. If there was one, then you could either

1. Enter in nothing as {{{1}}} because there's no next section, and there wouldn't be a link dangling around

2. Enter in something for {{{1}}} and make a link to the enxt section...could someone look into that please? Thanks. Flameviper12 21:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki link to vi:

Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this template:

<noinclude>]</noinclude>

Thanks.

 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Cryptic (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

New comment on old discusssion

I see from the archives that the "and/or" wording has been discussed here before. I agree that the "and/or" wording is jarring and distracting. Whenever I read this spoiler warning, it sounds to my ear like a staccatto, mechanical computer voice blaring at me: WARNING!! PLOT AND/OR ENDING DETAILS FOLLOW. LOOKING FOR ENGLISH LESSONS. NEED TO UNLEARN TELEGRAPHESE. HELP!! :-) OK, end of rant. Carcharoth 19:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Question on fundamental purpose and use

A disagreement has arisen between myself and Chcknwnm on Cheers and the use of spoiler tags that we both believe needs a more general answer. The question is are spoilers assumed to exist under a plot section or should one include spoiler tags around the section(s) of the Plot section that include spoilers? Staxringold 14:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

subst

Should this thing be subst:ed? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 16:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

No, there's absolutely no reason to - why did you suggest that? Stevage 08:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

CSS class good solution to complaints

I noticed that a CSS class "spoiler" has been added to the <div> tag that wraps this whole template. I think this is a perfect solution for those users who are avidly opposed to this template because it interferes with reading the article. For those users, they can now edit their User:USERNAME/monobook.css style sheet and add the following, effectively removing the "ugly" "intrusion":

.spoiler{
 display: none;
}

I'm not sure if that was the purpose of not, but I think it's a great solution to a nagging problem. B.Mearns, KSC 13:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

While this saves me the problem of seeing them (and thus ends my crusade to remove them). It has to be realized that visitors to Misplaced Pages will not know or desire to change their monobook and still find the template horrifically ugly and unneccesary. Chuck 05:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Recent Change

For reasons behind this change, see this and this. — WCityMike (talk • contribs) 12:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion on the guideline

There is a discussion on the nature of the guidance relating to this template at Misplaced Pages talk:Spoiler warning. Views welcome. Steve block Talk 22:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

JS Solution

What do you guys think about a JS solution to the spoiler templates? The problem: when you have a spoiler template it Template:Spoiler

calls attention to itself.

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Opinions?

P.S.: Be aware that as a proponent of Wikia, this change, while possibly too big to be suitable for Misplaced Pages, may be suitable for smaller wikis. So ignore appliability as a con for the process.

This feature is nice to add, as long as the technical side approves too.--Wai Wai 05:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Would this screw anything up in the printable version? Otherwise I recommend going with what I've done above--Burzum 04:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hiding content of the article would be considered censorship, and is not permitted via WP:NOT#Misplaced Pages is not censored. Placing the spoiler warning template is about the extent that we can do. -- Ned Scott 05:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit Proposed

Please include the world "Substantial" before the word plot. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Also, remove "Spoiler warning" taking the template to:

• Do you mind if we hold off on this until the RFC is through? Steve block Talk 22:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Working template!

What has been proposed through the length of this talk page has been fully instated. Look at the working sample at Template talk:Spoil. Son of a Peach 17:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler recommendation (summary)

Wording

Instead of:

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Some people may find it annoying due to the word "warning".
How about words like attention/note/reminder:

Spoiler attention: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Attention of possible spoiler: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Spoiler reminder: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Note on possible spoiler: Plot and/or ending details follow.

Or even remove it, like:

Plot and/or ending details follow.

Image

It is good to add a nice but not too frightening image. It is easier to catch readers attention. One may miss this spoiler note once in a while.

Additional functions

Functions like hiding/showing the spoiler, or skip the spoiler are nice to add too, if it is technically feasible.

• How about using for the image? -AMK152 13:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Guideline revision talk page

In response to the recent RfC, a third talk page has been started for WP:SPOILER to address revisions to the spoiler tag guidelines. You can find the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Spoiler warning/guidelines In addition to the use of spoiler tags and notices, the appearance of the templates and sister-spoiler templates may also be discussed. -- Ned Scott 02:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki

I can't edit this template, could someone add pl:Szablon:Spoiler to it? Appleseed (Talk) 19:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Please add the following interwikis to the code

] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] You can use the followin tool to find interwikis http://vs.aka-online.de/globalwpsearch/

--elwikipedista 17:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

And add ] too. --ZeroOne 00:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

And sv:Mall:Spoiler

My proposal

With this warning, no one will ever read the Romeo & Juliet article again and come away with the spoiler that the couple is going to die. Morningmusic 19:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler/Spoiler-free?

I appoligise in advance that I haven't gone through all the archives to see if this has been discussed before, sorry if it has. Say I go to a page looking for information on a TV show or Anime (etc) that I'm thinking about watching, sometimes there's barely any information above the top section, which is usually called "Story", thus containing plot details, and because of the spoiler warning, I don't read any further. The thing is, I've read these sections on articles for things I've seen, and there can be really big spoilers, but usually there are none at all. This is annoying, because when I go to the page of a show I haven't seen, I don't know whether it's actually safe to read on or not. I suppose this is really about where to draw the line about what's a spoiler, any details at all (e.g. main character's name) are kind of spoilers for someone who knows nothing about the series, but this isn't something people try to avoid being told. I don't really know what a better solution would be, maybe indicating the severity of the spoilers in the warning? This has been nagging me for a while now so I wanted to mention it, feel free to say "problem unsolvable, let's stick with what we've got" and move on if that's how it is. --Aceizace 03:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The basic idea is to give fair warning, but like you've pointed out, it's basically impossible to guarantee if you'll receive the warning at all. You might also check out Misplaced Pages:Spoiler warning and it's talk page as well. It would seem that this won't be "solvable" in the near future, and probably won't even be a high priority (considering all the other things there are to do for these articles). Probably what should be done is to make it clear that there is a spoiler warning, but the warning itself might not always be there. Maybe noting this in the spoiler warning template itself or just making it more clear on WP:SPOILER. -- Ned Scott 05:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Please add interwiki

] Yao Ziyuan 09:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Skip feature

A skip feature should be added to this template. skip=yes would enable it, and an optional id parameter could be used to distinguish between different spoiler blocks on a page. It would be coupled with {{endspoiler}}. Here's the code (to be added after the message text):

{{#if:{{{skip|}}}| ]]}}

This would produce:

Then at the top of {{endspoiler}}:

<span id="EndSpoiler{{{id|}}}" />

– flamurai (t) 01:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

This is similar to what I discussed above (and other users as well). I would hope that we get some comments this time on whether people like this idea or not. After we get this idea approved or denied then we can talk about the implementation (since there are many different methods going around). Cheers.--Burzum 02:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I had just thought of a skip feature for spoilers when I came to comment and saw yours. This could use a push through the system. -- Jmax- 21:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Swedish interwiki

Please add sv:Mall:Spoiler. /skagedal 20:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)