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Sez the French Bully
Nauseated
There is hardly a day that goes by in which some of the activities on this site do not make me want to vomit. I guess some think we are dumb...that their overt biases in editing and administrative actions are somehow giving us BLP and NPOV compliant articles or any semblence of ethical administrative actions. I guess everyone has to live with themselves at some point.--MONGO (talk) 21:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
GAN
Hi, MONGO! Hope you're over the nausea but if not, I hear ginger cookies help, and so does pickle juice. I was also wondering if you'd review Robert H. Boyle? The GAN link is in the article TP header. Surely, with all those FAs you've chalked up, you must have accumulated quite a list of reciprocal reviews 
so I was hoping you'd be ok with taking this one if you have time. It's a co-nom with BD2412. Happy editing/reviewing!! Talk 📧 15:46, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- I do not have time, sorry. Have three other articles lying in wait that need updates or expansion.--MONGO (talk) 16:00, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipediocracy
Seems I am loved again by at least one fan over at Wikipediocracy. Over concerns that my account might get hacked there (since coincidentally there have been 50 plus efforts to do so here in last 48 hours) I dare not go there. I will say I hold no animus towards Wikipediocracy or anyone for the most part that posts there, so long as they do not engage in doxxing. In response though, I guess if someone wanted to they could get me blocked here and or work to get me site banned if they so desired. I am afterall, very evil. In response to my being desysopped 14 years ago(!)...it wasn't a popular move by the committee at that time and they received a lot of blowback but the reality is I did make some errors in judgement in my adminning and I also did not offer any assurances that they felt were compelling enough for a reconsideration of desysopping me.--MONGO (talk) 04:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well that is pretty messed up. No one should have to deal with that kind of off site stalking and harassment. I'm sorry to hear that. PackMecEng (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The best way to beat it is to ignore it - just don't give it an ounce of lift because the hot air it's riding on now will dissipate. WP may have lost a sysop 14 yrs ago but those of us trudging along in the trenches gained an excellent editor - an inadvertent gift that keeps on giving - and the project is better for it. Talk 📧 18:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks you two. It doesn't really bother me at all to be frank. In fact, I support that website so long as they dont get into any doxxing efforts. Everyone has a right to vent and sometimes the people there turn up some interesting stuff.--MONGO (talk) 21:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- It appears to be somebody who thinks you argue too much. If sanctions were applied for that, a lot of people would be gone ahead of you. As for your desysopping, that happened sometime in the 14th century in wiki-time. But you are still very evil, I am sure. Acroterion (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Most likely someone from long ago who just wants to stir the pot....because I am evil! Truth is I loathe the thought I may have any enemies. I've lost some dear friends here on the website as of recent times and it brings me no joy. There is one in particular I know I upset greatly and doubt a resurrection of good relations is now likely.--MONGO (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- It appears to be somebody who thinks you argue too much. If sanctions were applied for that, a lot of people would be gone ahead of you. As for your desysopping, that happened sometime in the 14th century in wiki-time. But you are still very evil, I am sure. Acroterion (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks you two. It doesn't really bother me at all to be frank. In fact, I support that website so long as they dont get into any doxxing efforts. Everyone has a right to vent and sometimes the people there turn up some interesting stuff.--MONGO (talk) 21:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The best way to beat it is to ignore it - just don't give it an ounce of lift because the hot air it's riding on now will dissipate. WP may have lost a sysop 14 yrs ago but those of us trudging along in the trenches gained an excellent editor - an inadvertent gift that keeps on giving - and the project is better for it. Talk 📧 18:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- For what its worth, the user who started that thread is not me. A few days ago, this user tried to pretend to be my sockpuppet. I am guessing it's the same person. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- You're probably correct. I did see the polite comment by Zoloft who said I am "relevant again"...least I haven't been forgotten altogether.--MONGO (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Snooganssnoogans:, I do wish to apologize for this comment though. It was posted in haste and was surely upsetting to read such a threat and I was wrong to insinuate it.--MONGO (talk) 00:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- No. 49. At least I always find this thought comforting at such times. When someone needs to complain about you somewhere else, -- ha. Carry on. Some varieties of evil may be underrated, anyway. (MONGO pawn in game of life, but knight in game of Misplaced Pages.) Antandrus (talk) 23:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'm overdue to resume good work here...lest my armor lose whatever little gloss it once had. Thank you.--MONGO (talk) 00:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Please don't delete my comments on my own talk page!
Cwarrior (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- Was a fat finger mistake surely. Sorry.--MONGO (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago
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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
“someone who only recently survived a ban themselves”
“I believe serious concerns exist regarding their general competence to be editing subjects of a highly sensitive and controversial nature and am seriously considering calling for a topic ban from American Politics (post 1932)”
”Soibangla hasn't done anything wrong by making a bold but well-sourced edit, and the only red flag I see is Ad Orientem escalating to AN/I for a reasonable, appropriately sourced edit without checking the source's reliability...The community has determined that BuzzFeed News is a reliable source. You don’t get to selectively disregard that consensus simply because you personally don’t like the source or its content. Soiblanga did everything right here - he made an edit accurately conveying the content of a reliable source and, when you reverted him, he went to the talk page and calmly discussed it. Threatening him with a block or topic ban is really out of line.”— MastCell
“There is no consensus for the proposed sanction. This discussion orbited around whether the original incident warranted sanction, and largely around Levivich's analysis of soibangla's recent conduct. On the first, there is a pretty significant consensus that the single incident was a violation which did not warrant sanction, or was not a violation in the first place, and that any issues with the edit should have been discussed through regular editorial processes. On the second, while several editors commented in support of the analysis and added their own commentary, several more found flaws in the analysis from being biased to being outright misrepresentations of facts.”
“the stuff of a kangaroo court found in totalitarian regimes”
Just sayin’. soibangla (talk) 18:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Meteor Crater
Is English your second language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1523:8F2:6901:EF55:AB45:31E0 (talk) 00:52, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yes. My first language is Sasquatch. Blaaaaaaaaah.--MONGO (talk) 01:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Arbitration
Hey Mongo. Now that the arbitration against me is closed , I think I am allowed to thank you for your statements. I still don't understand who that random IP was. How could he not be a sockpuppet? He's been a user for like 3 days, and one of the first things he does is ask some big-name admin to file an Arbitration enforcement against me. It seems fishy. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 23:25, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: The IP editor has been actively editing for three weeks—just about the same amount of time you have. They know of me because I welcomed them to Misplaced Pages four days ago after noticing their constructive contributions to Talk:QAnon. I try to make a habit of welcoming constructive new users when I see them, in the hopes that they will continue to edit and, in the case of IPs, sign up for an account. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- @GorillaWarfare: Actually, I have been making about 4-6 edits everyday since I signed up on August 31. Those contributions seem overly-aggressive, considering the fact that the OP didn't even challenge Shimbo's response. Also, what happened to editing on "contentious topics" for new users? QAnon is probably a much more contentious topic than Talk:Ilhan Omar, so I don't know why you scolded me for making some useful comments on the Ilhan Omar talk page (and, no, I was not pushing a "right-wing conspiracy"). Anyway, I'm no expert on Arbitration guidelines, but many experienced editors did believe your actions were, at the very least, inappropriate. If you had a problem with some of my edits (i.e., the deadname edit), you could have left me a kindly-worded message on my talk page (like others have done), instead of doing the bidding of some random IP user. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I get it I get it. The almighty account holders are the "more equals" and anyone who doesn't make an account is a lesser who's just here to be bullied. What a crappy way to be. 2601:2C0:C300:B7:9922:D361:2E74:D5EF (talk) 01:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- There are some highly experienced editors who are just plain wrong. This is such a case as the filing was in no way inappropriate. I don't believe the interactions we've personally had should result in an action and show a willingness to learn; but didn't look at all of the filing. I suggest you take the gentle reminder to heart and not complain. O3000 (talk) 01:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- @GorillaWarfare: Actually, I have been making about 4-6 edits everyday since I signed up on August 31. Those contributions seem overly-aggressive, considering the fact that the OP didn't even challenge Shimbo's response. Also, what happened to editing on "contentious topics" for new users? QAnon is probably a much more contentious topic than Talk:Ilhan Omar, so I don't know why you scolded me for making some useful comments on the Ilhan Omar talk page (and, no, I was not pushing a "right-wing conspiracy"). Anyway, I'm no expert on Arbitration guidelines, but many experienced editors did believe your actions were, at the very least, inappropriate. If you had a problem with some of my edits (i.e., the deadname edit), you could have left me a kindly-worded message on my talk page (like others have done), instead of doing the bidding of some random IP user. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: No, you haven't, unless there stopped being an entire month between August and October. I disagree with your characterization of the IP's edit on Talk:QAnon. As for editing contentious topics, there is nothing wrong with doing so even early into one's editing career; it is simply a tough area to navigate as a new user. Regarding the rest of your comment, please don't mistake my attempt to help with your confusion around the IP user and how they found me for interest on my end in rehashing the AE discussion. If you would like to pursue the topic of my actions at AE, which were already noted by two arbitrators to be unproblematic, please be my guest and file an ARCA or something. Otherwise I have no interest in delving deeper into that absurd accusation. If you have additional questions/concerns for me, please leave them on my talk page; I don't wish to continue pinging MONGO further in a discussion he has not participated in. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d:, I just think everyone on this website can best demonstrate their commitment to making this a better encyclopedia by not primarily focusing, especially early in their wiki career, on contentious political topics. There is nothing wrong of course with contributing to political articles, its just that that arena is a difficult one to navigate, as GorillaWarfare so astutely describes. GorillaWarfare has fairly described her level of involvement, why she placed the report and as she has served as both an elected administrator and arbitrator of this website for a good many years, I believe she did not gain these endorsements by way of being untrustworthy. The best way to participate in these political arguments is to keep your cool and pretend the person you are in disagreement with is your grandmother, and treat them as best as you can with civility and fairness. Keep your edits minimal, do not edit war nor get too deeply entrenched in fratricidal or belligerent discussions and always go armed with multiple reliable sources to back up any argument, especially if the matter is over a controversial issue.--MONGO (talk) 03:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: No, you haven't, unless there stopped being an entire month between August and October. I disagree with your characterization of the IP's edit on Talk:QAnon. As for editing contentious topics, there is nothing wrong with doing so even early into one's editing career; it is simply a tough area to navigate as a new user. Regarding the rest of your comment, please don't mistake my attempt to help with your confusion around the IP user and how they found me for interest on my end in rehashing the AE discussion. If you would like to pursue the topic of my actions at AE, which were already noted by two arbitrators to be unproblematic, please be my guest and file an ARCA or something. Otherwise I have no interest in delving deeper into that absurd accusation. If you have additional questions/concerns for me, please leave them on my talk page; I don't wish to continue pinging MONGO further in a discussion he has not participated in. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- You are very wise Mongo. I'm sorry if I got too frustrated. I just never thought I'll be involved in such a situation after only a few weeks of editing. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 04:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- For the record, I wouldn't have filed the AE report on behalf of anyone, but I see no reason whatsoever to assume anything nefarious here at all by GorilaWarfare. The IP user, after discussion as to the benefit of creating a username, is now under User:IHateAccounts, and I can assure you that if they persist in referring to anyone that disagrees with them as a bully, their tenure here will be quite short.--MONGO (talk) 06:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Am I permitted to interpret that literally? If so, why do they hate accounts? Bus stop (talk) 11:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think they meant that since they wanted to stick with an IP but were strongly encouraged to create an account, they were saying they hate having to create an account? Matters little at this point as this new account has been blocked for creating an unsuitable username.--MONGO (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Am I permitted to interpret that literally? If so, why do they hate accounts? Bus stop (talk) 11:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- For the record, I wouldn't have filed the AE report on behalf of anyone, but I see no reason whatsoever to assume anything nefarious here at all by GorilaWarfare. The IP user, after discussion as to the benefit of creating a username, is now under User:IHateAccounts, and I can assure you that if they persist in referring to anyone that disagrees with them as a bully, their tenure here will be quite short.--MONGO (talk) 06:31, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- You are very wise Mongo. I'm sorry if I got too frustrated. I just never thought I'll be involved in such a situation after only a few weeks of editing. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 04:17, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, now he's getting on my nerves. They literally refer to every person that they come across as a 'bully.' They keep trying to play the victim card--he's clearly either an attention seeker or just a troll. Why are all these admins/experienced editors giving him so much sympathy?? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 21:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Because until there is absolute proof that their purposes here are to violate the rules, they have to assume good faith. I would ignore them and proceed with your editing.--MONGO (talk) 21:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, now he's getting on my nerves. They literally refer to every person that they come across as a 'bully.' They keep trying to play the victim card--he's clearly either an attention seeker or just a troll. Why are all these admins/experienced editors giving him so much sympathy?? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 21:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Quelccaya Ice Cap § SG review notes
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Quelccaya Ice Cap § SG review notes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:48, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48
- I saw that earlier and hope to be able to comment soon. Oddly, I started that article long ago so I am pleased it has evolved so much since.--MONGO (talk) 20:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
assessment of Trump legacy is not forecasting
Hi there User:MONGO - The entry under Donald Trump and his relationship with the press, As the prospect of failure of Trump to be re-elected arose in the end of the 2020 campaign, various articles and discussions made assessments of his legacy. has nothing to do with forecasting the future. It relates to the assessment of the past. I'd like to restore it, but want to discuss it with you before taking action. _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 16:14, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Please do so at the article talkpage but read WP:CRYSTAL before doing so. His legacy is still unknown so speculations by pundits is not helpful.--MONGO (talk) 05:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Notes to self about reliable sources
- Print and web based news that is working for profit are a reliable source when adding references where they are critiquing their for profit competitors.
- The exception is IF for profit print and web based news has been determined by their for profit competitors that they are not reliable, AND, our esteemed and supremely unbiased experts on Misplaced Pages not only buy into this hogwash but build entire "guides" to support it, then that for profit print and web based news is NOT reliable....but the critiquing for profit news IS reliable.
Alternate accounts
Care to satisfy my curiosity, MONGO? starship.paint (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
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How ugly can it get
admins can see the deleted link at the beginning of my questions.--MONGO (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Posted to Valjeans page:
is this nonsense? I see you retracted the comment but seriously? Threats to provide usernames of "fringe" editors and any admin that would block you to persons you know at major news sources? I am also NOT attacking you for seeking clarification as to whether you can violate a prior warning. Others can because they are not under any prior warning...get that? Besides, you were actually violating this prior warning BEFORE that AE thread was opened when you questioned the "c-word" of that editor in question here----->. Based on your retracted comments at InedibleHulks page I reckon I ask for any further clarification and it results in a sanction against you I might find the username MONGO in the SOB of the week section at the NYTimes? Ok, even if that were not to be the case (I'm not traceable to my real name anyway) I can't do anything due to your extreme despair I reckon....but wow is your ice thin. Have YOU ever considered leaving behind these highly political arenas for awhile and edit peacefully elsewhere for awhile? I do...a lot. When was the last time I did more than a comment of a singular edit to any politically active article? You should try that.--MONGO (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Concur with issue that the now missing link provided excessive and personal detail about their life but the issue of the threat to retaliate against editors this person deems "fringe" and any admin who takes action against them and contact persons that they know that work at the WaPo, NYTime, and Politico is not to be ignored.--MONGO (talk) 22:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
My guess is that if others had this actions from similar involved admins would have led to an indef block.--MONGO (talk) 15:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- This is why I stopped editing wikipedia. It's a fucking joke. How many "final warnings" does this guy get??? @Valjean: just called me a "fringe editor", a completely unprovoked WP:PERSONALATTACK. Sure, I could take it to AE. Valjean will retract, the admins will say he retracted so he must be sorry and he'll get his 10th "final warning" and I'll get sanctioned for daring to point out that the admin's (you know the usual ones that hang out at AE, plus mastcell who never edits anymore but is always summoned there by someone when it involves me) favorite editor yet again blatantly violated policy. The admins have sent the message loud and clear that rules do not apply to Valjean, they like his POV, so he's golden.--Rusf10 (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
- No one is exempt from sanctions here but the obvious is truly nauseating. The overt favoritism some admins show to those they align with politically is a reflection on their own poor character as human beings. I'd like to think that there is a chance still for some of them to realign themselves and serve the general good without partisanship but I have my doubts...you get what you pay for and since the only reasons they could behave like this is due to hatred and and a lust for power and control, it's just a damn shame. On the flip side, I do know some admins that are pretty fair still, so all hope is not yet lost.--MONGO (talk) 02:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- You say that no one is exempt from sanctions, then prove it. I say certain people are. It goes way beyond just a few bad admins, there is a systemic problem here and its not likely to get fixed. The bias is built in with bad policies and a questionable list of what is and isn't a reliable source. For every good admin, there are at least ten bad ones. In fact, I can only really think of one admin I interacted with in American Politics that has treated me fairly (and I won't mention that person's name since I don't want to put them on an enemies list). I think you see the problems here as well as I do, but you need to realize its past the point of return. I favor term limits for members of congress, but here it even worse, we elect admins for life. If there's any hope, start there, term limits for admins (or at least make them run for reelection every other year). Then maybe admins will have a reason to act like they are accountable.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- No one is exempt from sanctions here but the obvious is truly nauseating. The overt favoritism some admins show to those they align with politically is a reflection on their own poor character as human beings. I'd like to think that there is a chance still for some of them to realign themselves and serve the general good without partisanship but I have my doubts...you get what you pay for and since the only reasons they could behave like this is due to hatred and and a lust for power and control, it's just a damn shame. On the flip side, I do know some admins that are pretty fair still, so all hope is not yet lost.--MONGO (talk) 02:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
- This is why I stopped editing wikipedia. It's a fucking joke. How many "final warnings" does this guy get??? @Valjean: just called me a "fringe editor", a completely unprovoked WP:PERSONALATTACK. Sure, I could take it to AE. Valjean will retract, the admins will say he retracted so he must be sorry and he'll get his 10th "final warning" and I'll get sanctioned for daring to point out that the admin's (you know the usual ones that hang out at AE, plus mastcell who never edits anymore but is always summoned there by someone when it involves me) favorite editor yet again blatantly violated policy. The admins have sent the message loud and clear that rules do not apply to Valjean, they like his POV, so he's golden.--Rusf10 (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)