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Black pope
Was he the first black Pope? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphaboi867 (talk • contribs)
He was White actually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrdie (talk • contribs)
Not Actually!
Pope Victor looked like the people and ancestry of the land from which he came. "Africa". The Syrians, Greeks and Jews which comprised some of the early popes looked like their ancestry as well. The Arian rise in the Catholic Church didn't begin until the latter part of the third century. Even the Roman Empire wasn't converted at large until the fourth century. The first two centuries Catholicism was supported largly by the churches in Africa by of course, "African" people. People of African lineage were involved from the beginning. Refer to ("The Oxford Dictionary of The Popes" Oxford University Press, 1986) for proof that Catholicism is really a world religion. For other blacks popes you should see (Liber Pontificalis Book of the Popes) p. 17 for Victor; p. 40 for Melchiades, sometimes called Miltiades, under whose reign Rome was converted to Catholicism; p.110 for Gelasius, L.R. Loomis, translator. New York 1916. See also (100 Amazing Facts About The Negro With Complete Proof, J. A. Rogers, 1936.) Tom Bailey
- Yes actually, Tom Bailey. Africans were indeed involved in the Catholic Church from the beginning, but not black Africans. The people of North Africa are white, and Catholicism didn't spread to Sub-Saharan Africa until the European Age of Exploration brought it there. Don't cite fringe scholars like J.A. Rogers to support your mythistory, because it only discredits you. --Jugbo
- Actually, North Africans, like other Mediterranean groups, have been a melting pot of Caucasian and black African populations for thousands of years, and show a range of "racial" features consistent with such mixing. Neither Afrocentric revisionism nor historically Afrophobic US census categories change these historical and biological facts. Kemet 01:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, Kemet, Berbers (for the most part) and Europeans don't have much black ancestry. So, rather than "a melting pot of Caucasian and black African populations", it would be more accurate to describe Mediterranean peoples as "Caucasian", with minor (the great majority of the time) sub-Saharan ancestry (the exception being the Tuaregs, who are highly mixed). Also, in addition to the images displayed at the top of the Berbers page, this site features pictures of Berbers that don't really display "a range of 'racial' features consistent with such mixing " (the exception, again, being the Tuaregs). --Jugbo 03:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, North Africans, like other Mediterranean groups, have been a melting pot of Caucasian and black African populations for thousands of years, and show a range of "racial" features consistent with such mixing. Neither Afrocentric revisionism nor historically Afrophobic US census categories change these historical and biological facts. Kemet 01:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Jugbo, where are you getting your information from about Berbers or Europeans not having African or black ancestry. Do you not know that all life originated from Africa? Do you not know that Essau was the brother of Jacob and born white. Please let's keep the racism out of articles. St. Victor was a dark skinned African. I won't label him as black or white because this would cause me to submit to racist views. I don't think you should either. Labeling Mediterraneans as Caucasian follows this same racist attitude. Mediterraneans surely wouldn't agree with you. And just because you show a website with similar racist views doesn't make it true. It is evident that these people have no idea of their true ancestry due to indoctrination. Do you not know that it is possible for a dark skinned and a light skinned bay can be born twins from the same parents. Please cease with this racism. It has no place on Misplaced Pages. In addition J.A. Rogers is a respected scholar. You are only making yourself look bad saying quoting him discredits someone. Where are your accomplishments in comparison to his for you to make such a statement. Rogers has done more for humanity that you have I'm sure.--Gnosis 07:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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