Talk:Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist)

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Histmerge for Benjamin Ryan

Conversation copied over from User talk:Primefac, so that my points about the hndis redirect are associated with this specific redirect-that-used-to-be-an-article.

Hey, you declined my histmerge request for Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) to gain the history from Benjamin Ryan after I changed the latter's redirect target. You mentioned no copy/paste page move, but there effectively is — I copied the contents of Benjamin Ryan (previously a redirect to Cradle of Filth) and pasted them into Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) and then changed the redirect target to the more-specific List of Cradle of Filth members.

More importantly, though, the page history of Benjamin Ryan contains 36 revisions that were a biography of the keyboardist, before Animalparty changed it to a redirect. That is the history that needs merging into the new redirect at Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist), otherwise that biography article is lost in the history of a hndis redirect.

Can you take another look, please? Thanks! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 17:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I think you are mistaken. Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) shows exactly three edits: you making the page as a redirect, you asking for the histmerge, and me declining that histmerge. There is no copied history at that page.

As far as Benjamin Ryan goes, I think it is not unreasonable to redirect it back to the list of band members, since he is the only "Benjamin" listed at Ben Ryan (meaning that there is a natural/spelling disambiguation). Primefac (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

You've got my intention the wrong way round. Benjamin Ryan has the history; that is the histmerge source. Benjamin Ryan (keyboardist) is the redirect I created as effectively a copy/paste move; that is the histmerge destination.

I deliberately removed the spelling-only disambiguation, because there are other people called Benjamin Ryan who could be notable — not least a prominent queer journalist for whom we do not currently have a biography. In any case, given most of the people at Ben Ryan are shortened names from Benjamin, relying on that distinction for the keyboardist, especially when some sources refer to him as Ben.

What I'm asking for is for the history of the erstwhile argument about the keyboardist to be connected with the new redirect I created (a more specific article title that could become a future article about him) rather than it continuing to sit with the spelling-varation redirect to the hndis.

Does that make sense? — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 22:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

That's kind of my point. It's not a copy/paste pagemove, so there is no attribution to save and thus no reason for a histmerge. If you want the history of the un-dabbed redirect to be at the dabbed redirect, then {{db-g7}} the dabbed redirect and move the un-dabbed redirect yourself (or actually, use {{db-move}} since that will save a step). Feel free to point to this discussion to show that I don't consider my edit there to invalidate the G7. Primefac (talk) 00:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

I still don't agree, but the G7 will fix the issue the same way, so there's no value in me continuing to argue the toss 😅 Thanks! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:45, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

All done. Thank you! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 11:11, 8 August 2024 (UTC)