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On 25 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Fort A.P. Hill to Fort Walker. The result of the discussion was moved.

Request for help with editing

On July 12, 2024: Lt. Col. Matt Bauer has taken over command of U.S. Army Garrison Fort Walker. 57.140.32.58 (talk) 14:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC) Meisberger (talk) 12:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


On July 7, 2022 Lt. Col. Jason P. Duffy will take over command of USAG Fort A.P. Hill. URL to follow.


Fort A.P. Hill now has an Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center:

The Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center was renamed on Nov. 6, 2013 to honor Capt. Jason T. McMahon, an EOD Soldier who was killed in action in Afghanistan on Sept. 5, 2010. McMahon was the company commander of the 744th Explosive Ordnance Disposal Company, 184th Explosive Ordnance Disposal Battalion at the time of his death.

URL: http://www.army.mil/article/114630/Fort_A_P__Hill_Explosive_Ordnance_Disposal_Training_Center_honors_a_fallen_hero/

Citation: McElroy, Bob. "Fort A.P. Hill Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center Honors a Fallen Hero." Online news article. Army.mil. U.S. Army, 06 Nov. 2013. Web. <http://www.army.mil/article/114630/Fort_A_P__Hill_Explosive_Ordnance_Disposal_Training_Center_honors_a_fallen_hero/>.


US Amy Asymmetric Warfare Group has opened the Asymmetric Warfare Training Center on Fort A.P. Hill:

The US Amy Asymmetric Warfare Group officially opened its $90.1 million Asymmetric Warfare Training Center on Jan. 24 2014. The complex features state-of-the art training and range facilities that support the AWG mission of rapid material and non-material solution development as well as adaptability and resiliency training. The 300-acre training complex includes a headquarters, barracks, administrative, training and maintenance facilities, an Urban Area, a 12-mile Mobility Range, an 800 meter Known Distance Range, a light demolitions range and an indoor range.

URL: http://www.army.mil/article/118796/Asymmetric_Warfare_Training_Center_opens_at_Fort_A_P__Hill/

Citation: McElroy, Bob. "Asymmetric Warfare Training Center Opens at Fort A.P. Hill." Online news article. Army.mil. U.S. Army, 24 Jan. 2014. Web. <http://www.army.mil/article/118796/Asymmetric_Warfare_Training_Center_opens_at_Fort_A_P__Hill/>.


Here are some excellent research references that could be posted on the page (MLA citation format):

URL:http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA544134

Citation: Morton, Marie B., Allan T. Morton, and Jerrell Blake, Jr., eds. Wealthy in Heart: Oral History of Life Before Fort A.P. Hill. Comp. Meg Green-Malvasi and Royce McNeal. FAIRFAX VA: PACIULLI SIMMONS AND ASSOCIATES LTD CULTURAL RESOURCES DIV, 2011. Print.

URL:http://www.aphill.army.mil/docs/history/HistoryOfFortAPHill.pdf

Citation: Payne, Richard C., Ph.D, and Theo M. Boland. History of Fort A.P. Hill. Ed. Gary W. Long. 22 May 1991. Condensed history of U.S. Army Garrison Fort A.P. Hill.


I placed a “Help me” call in order to gain some insight on how best to ask for help deleting resource materials. I am relatively sure the folks that answered my call did not have time to review the page to see that this article is not about Fort A.P. Hill. Should this illogical citation be removed?

"Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia". Office of Economic Adjustment. Retrieved 18 March 2013


Meisberger (talk) 12:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Meisberger, Misplaced Pages:Contributing to Misplaced Pages will give you more advice, but to take your first example, the Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center. Before you add something in, you need to consider:
  • How does it relate to the subject of article? What is the key information I need include for a reader of an encyclopaedia article? Is it a neutral account?
  • Am I writing this in my own words (i.e. not plagiarising or "cut and pasting" from the source?)
  • How are other items in the article referenced? What style are they using?
So... you might read the link you've included, and conclude that the key information is that there is an Explosive Ordnance Center, and that it is named after Capt. Jason T. McMahon; we don't know when the centre was first built though, and its renaming ceremony, although naturally important to the participants and the family involved, isn't necessarily a major historical event in and of itself. So you could edit the article and explain that:
"The Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center at the fort is named after Captain Jason McMahon, who died in Afghanistan in 2010."
You'd then want to reference it. The other webpages mentioned in the article use the following format:
{{cite web|title=Fort A.P. Hill History|url=http://www.aphill.army.mil/history.asp|publisher=U.S. Army|accessdate=18 March 2013}}
If you replaced these fields with your citation, you'd have:
{{cite web|title=Fort A.P. Hill Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center honors a fallen hero|url=http://www.army.mil/article/114630/Fort_A_P__Hill_Explosive_Ordnance_Disposal_Training_Center_honors_a_fallen_hero/|publisher=U.S. Army|accessdate=30 September 2014}}
Combine the two, putting "ref" tags around the citation, and you'll have:
The Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center at the fort is named after Captain Jason McMahon, who died in Afghanistan in 2010.<ref>{{cite web|title=Fort A.P. Hill Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center honors a fallen hero|url=http://www.army.mil/article/114630/Fort_A_P__Hill_Explosive_Ordnance_Disposal_Training_Center_honors_a_fallen_hero/|publisher=U.S. Army|accessdate=30 September 2014}}</ref>
Cut and paste that into the relevant bit of the article, press Save Page, and you're away. It'll appear on the final screen as:
The Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center at the fort is named after Captain Jason McMahon, who died in Afghanistan in 2010.
In terms of deleting a source, it's best to challenge it first and wait for a few days (as I've done with the bit you've highlighted above); if no-one comes forward to reference it properly, and you aren't sure the information is correct, then it is usually safe to delete it, explaining why in the edit summary. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Using your code examples I created the following:

Construction of the Explosive Ordnance Disposal training center was completed in July 2011 with the first day of class being October 17, 2011. The Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center at the fort is named after Captain Jason McMahon, who died in Afghanistan in 2010.

The US Amy Asymmetric Warfare Group officially opened its $90.1 million Asymmetric Warfare Training Center on Jan. 24 2014. The 300-acre training complex includes a headquarters, barracks, administrative, training and maintenance facilities, an urban training area, a 12-mile mobility range, an 800 meter known distance range, a light demolitions range and an indoor shooting range.

I can't thank enough for your guidance! Meisberger (talk) 17:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Happy to help! Hchc2009 (talk) 17:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. https://home.army.mil/walker/about/leadership/garrison-commander-fortwalker
  2. "Fort A.P. Hill Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center honors a fallen hero". U.S. Army. Retrieved 30 September 2014.
  3. "Fort A.P. Hill Explosive Ordnance Disposal Training Center honors a fallen hero". U.S. Army. Retrieved 30 September 2014.
  4. "Asymmetric Warfare Training Center Opens at Fort A.P. Hill". U.S. Army. Retrieved 2 October 2014.

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Possible illustrations for 25 August 2023

The redesignation is scheduled for 25 August 2023.

-- Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 09:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. Kassidy Hammond (17 Aig 2023) Virginia U.S. Army base Fort A.P. Hill to be officially renamed Fort Walker Aug. 25
  2. MDW USARMY (25 August 2023) Fort Walker Redesignation Ceremony 59:22, Ceremony sponsored by MG Trevor Bredencamp, commander of Military District of Washington; additional remarks by LTG (Ret) Nadja West 44th US Army Surgeon General
  3. Aisha Frazier, ABC (25 August 2023) Virginia’s Fort A.P. Hill renamed Fort Walker in push to remove Confederate symbols
  4. Jennifer Blake NBC (25 August 2023) Fort AP Hill name changed to Fort Walker
  5. Fredericksburg Free Lance Star, fredericksburg.com (25 August 2023) Fort A P Hill officially redesignated as Fort Walker after pioneering female Civil War surgeon
  6. Doug Ware, stripes.com (25 August 2023) Fort AP Hill renamed Fort Walker to honor Army's first female surgeon
  7. FOX (25 August 2023) Fort AP Hill name changed to Fort Walker
  8. Bill Fitzgerald, CBS (25 August 2023) Diversity celebrated as Fort AP Hill is renamed Fort Walker
  9. U.S. ARMY twitter.com (25 August 2023) Fort Walker: Honoring an American Hero

Requested move 25 August 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 12:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

– Today 25 August 2023 is the Redesignation day when the new name becomes official. Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 13:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: The latter part of move request is added to ask for a consensus if Fort A.P. Hill can take up the primary topic. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 04:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
(NmWTfs85lXusaybq is referring to "Fort Walker → Fort Walker (disambiguation)", which was added to the request in order to express all associated moves explicitly, since the existing disambiguation page would have to be moved in order for the first move to take place.) SilverLocust 💬 03:51, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose.
    Too soon. Per WP:NAMECHANGE and WP:COMMONNAME policy, we usually wait a while after the official name change to see that it has become the common name in independent sources. Plus, this would require WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to be satisfied, since there are two other articles of that name linked from Fort Walker, which is currently a disambiguation page that would need to be moved to Fort Walker (disambiguation) as part of this request. SilverLocust 💬 00:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Support. Oppose. Don't do this often, but in this case ready to get out of myself and go full bore IAR! Doc Walker is just one of those people who does that to me. NAMECHANGES is part of WP article titling policy, and I should not have to explain to an editor who's been here years longer than I have that WP policy represents the consensus of the Misplaced Pages community. (period) And the community says we wait until reliable sources routinely use the new name. (period) Consider this a gentle reminder, because I'm more of a Civility-will-rise-again diehard, myself. Ya'll stay healthy. <<< grin >>> P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  04:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC) 14:13, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
    • On a side note, been readin' up on the Doc for whom this place was renamed, and I like her! Here's hoping that sources start using this new name very quickly. Hats off to General Hill, for whom this fort was previously named, but Dr. Mary Walker certainly deserves to be remembered. Was a gutsy lady! P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  06:04, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
      Can't they honor the "Doc" up yonder where she came from? Why impose this on Virginians OR those who just love driving into Virginia, reading historical markers, etc.? ? ? I am 78 years old, and it has been "A. P. Hill" for as long as I can remember. 71.246.80.218 (talk) 14:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
They probably do honor her where she came from. Guess you'll have to take up the fort's renaming with the folks who did it. I understand where you're coming from, though. Not far behind you at 73, and I've seen many, many renamings of streets, forts and such in my lifetime. Some made sense to me and some didn't. Change doesn't always come easy. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  15:12, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
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