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Request for editing

Please add the following iwiki to the template: ]. Thank you. Dstary (talk) 08:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, please ignore this.. I added iwiki to doc template. Dstary (talk) 08:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

WP:MOSFLAG

It seems, per discussion here and here that the 3 letter abbreviations do not comply with WP:MOSFLAG. From what I can gather either the flags need removing or the full country names need giving. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. In particular, the section Country can sometimes be omitted when flag re-used in the MOS specifically mentions that {{flag|JPN}} (which renders as  JPN) is a shorter varient of {{flag|Japan}} (which renders as  Japan) Bluap (talk)

You are in fact right, I had not spotted that. If it's okay I'm going to use your diff to try and get more discussion over at MOS from the people who were against three letter abbreviations. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 October 2012

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Can you adjust the image size to 21 by 20, instead of 22 by 20? Three flags (Chile, South Korea, and Romania) have been disabled and unable to show its flag on the template, also adjust as well on flagIOC and flagIOCteam. Thank you. What seems to be the problem with wikipedia in relation to disabled flag displays?

Raymarcbadz 18:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Is this related to the problem described at Template talk:Country data South Korea#Display? I don't see any issues with that --Redrose64 (talk) 19:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, everywhere in Misplaced Pages. Raymarcbadz 02:39, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

This is not an issue with this template, it is a temporary issue with cached png files on Commons. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 05:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

If this has not been an issue, when will these flags be brought back to their original state or form? Flag of South Korea (22px) has been disabled for nearly a week already. Raymarcbadz 07:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea. You can track the bug at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40980. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 08:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Option to move flag

In many team sports we have ability to put flag on the right for matches. For example {{fb}} and {{vb}} (flag on left), and {{vb-rt}} (flag on right). You can see in {{Football box}} how they are used to have flags towards the midddle and the score. However for Beach volleyball with individual teams (more than one per nation) we use FlagIOCathlete which does not have the ability to have flags on the right and the results can be seen for example at Beach volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament. This way of showing the teams looks rather clumsy.

Should we somehow try and add an opinion to move flags to the left or find an other way to display the teams? Qed237 (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click):, @Izno:, @Andy M. Wang:, @Kante4:, @Sportsfan 1234:, @Sillyfolkboy:, @Basement12:, @SMcCandlish:, @Trackinfo:, @Raymarcbadz: you have all been involved in discussions at Template talk:FlagIOCmedalist and similar so what do you think? Qed237 (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: I dont agree that it violates accessibility either. Also I am not opposed to the parenthesis and as I said I removed them a bit on a test. If you look at Special:Permalink/724218745 which is alternative 3 with parenthesis, what do you think about that? Qed237 (talk) 21:40, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

The current prototypes are at Special:Permalink/724715778, which includes essentially all mentioned above. <-- all, update the number when appropriate (I think this makes it easier to keep track)

@Qed237: I'm in favor of "SmcCandlish layout 2" (or "Qed237 layout 1", which is an extension of it), essentially flag-code-name (or name-code-flag). FYI, to avoid getting in trouble, and to get a citable link for a potentially widespread visual change, I suggest an RfC with {{rfc|soc|tech}} unless we get more responses soon. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 22:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: I hope now with the alternatives being more clear we good get some more input. I am also in favour of the last two, especially "Qed237 layout 1" as I dont think it violates accessability, but otherwise "SmcCandlish layout 2". Also I think flags should not always be on the right and in medals tables and other tables they should be on the left. Should we reduce the amount of alternatives? For example "layout 2" is similar to "Qed237 layout 1" and I dont think it is needed. Is "Layout 1" needed? Qed237 (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: Go ahead and make cuts. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 22:58, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: Should nations be bolded? Just thought I should fix the consistency. Qed237 (talk) 23:01, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Done and permalink updated. Qed237 (talk) 23:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I have no objections with the decision to change the template format. But the original arrangement is still better. flag-name-code. Is there something wrong? Could you give us an example? Remember this is not only for beach volleyball, but also for all pages across different sports and the NOCs. Raymarcbadz (talk) 02:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Raymarcbadz: SMcCandlish said it's a problem of the flag being juxtaposed with the player name instead of the country name/abbreviation. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 02:47, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: I slept on it, and I now believe that the general format (flag-name-code) is still probably okay. If we really do want to customize it, I suggest a param such as |align= can take on left or right states, which change the format from "f-n-c" to "f-c-n" and "n-c-f" respectively. This way, we wouldn't change the appearances of 5000+ pages, but allow a customization, useful for the volleyball article you mentioned. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 15:16, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: That souns like a good compromise. The only "issue" I am having is when we list matches and I am not sure how often that is done. It might be a bit weird with having one style for "left" in matches and an other in tables, and also the issue SmcCandlish brought to our attention, but I think it could work. Qed237 (talk) 15:58, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Re: "SMcCandlish said it's a problem of the flag being juxtaposed with the player name instead of the country name/abbreviation" – That's one of (at least?) two problems, the other being the reversal/mirroring of the flag/country column order, which looks cute if you're a visual designer, but is bad for accessibility, usability, and information architecture. This is real, tabular data that we can expect will be reused (or will be desired to be resuable) in ways we can't necessarily expect; these tables are not posters or postcards, but information that humans and non-humans need to be able to predictably parse accurately.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  10:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Thanks for the explanation. About taking action though, do you support a "flag-code-name" structure? And what should we do about {{fb}} and {{fb-rt}} that affects a page like 1986 FIFA World Cup Group A? — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 15:52, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

If "code" means "country name or country code" here, and "name" means person name, then that would work for some layouts. So would others. Anything along the lines of person-country-flag, person-flag-country, country-flag-person, or flag-country-person, grouping flag and country in every case. One thing we don't want is something like flag-person-country or country-person-flag. Another thing we don't want is mix-and-matching of the four acceptable approaches in the same template or table. The fix for {{fb}} and {{fb-rt}} is to stop inverting the country-flag order, and have "Bulgaria    1–1   Italy " (which is also what the rest of the tabular layout is doing with other icons ), and stop doing things like "Bulgaria    1–1    Italy", implemented because someone thought it looked cute.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  21:37, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

The fb-templates should absolutely not be touched (and I believe entire WP:FOOTY would protest loudly). Also I still fail to see in what way accessibility is violated. It is standard to have flags on left in noraml tables and in the match templates with a score, put flags towards the middle. Qed237 (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: On fb templates: You'd want to talk to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Flag Template (and involved WPs) about deprecating {{Flagright/core}} (used on 14000+ pages) and a ton of other mirror templates through WP:TfD. But honestly, overturning this is overturning an established consensus, which, in my opinion, would be quite disruptive, and I am not inclined to help. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 01:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

The problem is not flags being aligned on the right. Let's not be silly. The problem is flipping flag alignment around in the same table for no good reason. If you don't understand why this is an accessibility problem, it's because you don't understand accessibility issues generally. I concede that this isn't the forum for fixing this problem site wide, but it needs to be fixed. WP:CCC: The fact that a poor decision was made back when does not mean that it cannot be undone. WP:CONLEVEL: The idea that militant WP:OWNers in some sport project may rattle sabres has nothing to do with whether the more useful thing should be done or not, and does not prevent a site-wide consensus overturning their local micro-consensus.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ≼  06:10, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Thanks. For the record, I completely understand the inaccessibility of the material being presented. It's very difficult to extract structured information given how it's presented, whereas a generic wikitable doesn't have these problems. I haven't looked deeper into how that other template is being used yet. I'm not involved in the WikiProject... just happen to be an editor willing to help out technically. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 06:22, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: On this template, I now think we'd see good support for getting rid of the code. The reason I say so is that "flag-code-name" looks very left-cluttered. See the "fcn" section right below Special:Permalink/724715778#Flag link. So instead of "flag-code-name", we'd have "flag-name", with the flag itself being the link to Uruguay at the 2012 Summer Olympics and such. I believe this would be warmly received, per general sentiments expressed at Template talk:FlagIOCmedalist. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 01:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, code could probably be removed. Qed237 (talk) 01:10, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: I don't think there's been enough participation to warrant a change. There are a good number of ideas to work with though. There are pros/cons for "flag-code-name", the most jarring may be how the name has been shifted so much to the right when we feature athletes in wikitables. As for the volleyball article you initially mentioned, I'd recommend sticking to what's existing for now. But if there are updates, feel free to keep me updated. The permalink is probably helpful for context. Thanks — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 05:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 20 March 2017

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Please correct the template to show the French flag. There is no image: "The source file 'Flag_of_France.svg' does not exist." (eg. in Gymnastics at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's artistic individual all-around) Thanx! 80.99.208.111 (talk) 02:30, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

This was not an issue with the template, and was resolved by purging the page. — Train2104 (t • c) 02:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Iraq

Iraq changed flags in January 2008, but {{flagIOCathlete|ABC|IRQ|2008 Summer}} →  ABC (IRQ) is using the pre-February 2008 flag. Frietjes (talk) 20:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I see this was also reported, along with other errors, at Template talk:Country alias. Frietjes (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed, but as you mention in your second post this sort of correction should be requested at Template talk:Country alias. Primefac (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 6 October 2017

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Raymarcbadz 17:55, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@Raymarcbadz: You didn't provide an actual request.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ<  22:19, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: May I further request if I can revert the edits previously made by Koavf? The font-size of the IOC looked much larger than the previous versions, and there was no further discussion if we can modify the style format of the template. Thanks! Raymarcbadz (talk) 13:02, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't see the value of having text that's 90% the size of the rest: for larger font sizes, it's irrelevant and for smaller ones, it's illegible. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:59, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

If I'm getting this right, it's a choice between:

•  Jamie Salé and David Pelletier (CAN) – current, 100% size
•  Jamie Salé and David Pelletier (CAN) – sandbox, 90% size

Koavf is correct that CSS font-sizing code can result in too-small text; however we have rules about this at MOS:ACCESS and this reduction appears to be well within them. MOS:ALLCAPS appears to permit but not suggest small-caps for acronyms, so there's not a rule at issue. I would suggest an RfC on whether the smaller style should be used (a narrow RfC about this particular template and perhaps related ones, since they are a form of special display of tabular data; if you try to make it about all acronyms people will will shout it down immediately out of knee-jerk reaction).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ<  02:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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