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US Nickel
Hi! The reason I reverted your change was because 1) I don't know that it's a natural progression for someone to go from the US nickel to the Canadian one (which is what I see the "See Also" section being for), and 2) If a link to the Canadian 5 cent coin is a reasonable one, where does that line get drawn? Is the British 5p a valid link? What about the 5 Eurocent coin?
I'm not going to fight you over this, but I did want you to know my train of thought. Almostfm (talk) 20:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
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And you will get nowhere soapboxing about how leftist we all are. YOu are experienced enough to know our policies about wp:rs and wp:v.Slatersteven (talk) 10:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- This article is such an extreme case of bias and double standards that it doesn't matter how leftist you all are or whether I'm "soapboxing" about it. That's all secondary to the substantive issue of how leftists were allowed to hijack the article. It will be an interesting case study. BlueSingularity (talk) 15:53, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- MAybe, but the article talk page is not (and you are experienced enough to know this) the place to make that case. Either report it to ani, or arbcom or make a case as wp:npov. But do not use wp:pa style attacks on other users at an article talk page.Slatersteven (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not making personal attacks, and my edit was quickly reverted with a note to use the Talk page. This is an absurdly unethical article and I'm not going to be silent about it. We need much higher standards than this. BlueSingularity (talk) 17:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Per wp:NPA "Using someone's affiliations as an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting their views—regardless of whether said affiliations are mainstream. An example could be, "You're a railfan so what would you know about fashion?" Note that it is not a personal attack to question an editor about their possible conflict of interest on a specific article or topic; but beware – speculating on the real-life identity of another editor may constitute outing." so yes " That's all secondary to the substantive issue of how leftists were allowed to hijack the article." is a PA.Slatersteven (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not making personal attacks, and my edit was quickly reverted with a note to use the Talk page. This is an absurdly unethical article and I'm not going to be silent about it. We need much higher standards than this. BlueSingularity (talk) 17:21, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm sure what you're referring to. Are you seeing statements about individuals? It's awkward that you're citing the principle of ad hominem in the context of an article that is saturated with ad hominem and worse. If we were serious about ad hominem, wouldn't we have to delete the Parler article and start over with non-political writers? Are you in favor of holding leftists up to the same standards here? The use of words can't itself be ad hominem – descriptors like "leftist" aren't ad hominem. They're just descriptors. Leftists don't deserve special treatment – it's an ideology like any other ideology.BlueSingularity (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- wp:npa applies to how you treat users here, not how we write articles. And yes I have told people you call leftists to not make PA's as well. And you did not just describe them as leftists, you ascribed intent as well, you used it to dismiss their opinions (as you are still doing). We go with what RS say, if you have any RS that dispute what the article says prod8uce them.Slatersteven (talk) 10:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
And can you please read wp:indent.Slatersteven (talk) 10:53, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
You also need to read wp:v and wp:or, material has to be supported by wp:rs.Slatersteven (talk) 10:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
This interface is too insanely bad to use, so I'm not going to deal with it much longer. I don't know what you're referring to about sources, what article or entry. I haven't added any sources to anything, or removed any lately. In any case, leftist websites aren't actually reliable sources for anything political. Misplaced Pages doesn't have any serious standards to establish "reliable sources" – there are no audits or objective evaluations of any source to determine anything about their reliability. People talk about whether a source checks facts, but Misplaced Pages doesn't actually vet that. It's more rumor-based, just a belief that this or that source checks facts without any real checking. That's not a serious epistemic framework. And when we and other research teams prove how unreliable some outlet is over the next couple of years, it will be interesting to see what the activists here do about it, whether they agree to stop using that source. Misplaced Pages will probably end up formally flagged as a partisan outlet by various third parties, as it should be. It's absurdly biased, somewhat worse than a normal leftist outlet. It's a cartoon.BlueSingularity (talk) 14:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- I am saying that to make a change you need a wp:rs that support the change. If you go to talk pages and demand changes that are not backed up by RS you will not get any traction. Also you are edit warring to add content that violates wp:or ] You need a source that says "Fewer than 1% of Parler users are reported to be conspiracy theorists". You have also removed sourced content ].Slatersteven (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
No, you guys are just rigging it, and not allowing anyone to actually report the data, the facts. "Significant" isn't a fact – it's an opinion, and probably an indefensible one in these <1% scenarios. That's just leftist bias, and an unusually vivid case study for it. No one would ever agree that we could say "significant" about any group when it's less than 1%, not before this, or detached from this. The article is just a hit piece being censored by partisans, not an encyclopedia article. No one needs to literally say less than 1% if their data already says less than 1% – you guys are just creating new categories of bias and rigging. We don't need third parties to duplicate the validity of arithmetic, and if we got the ADL to update their article with the percentages in addition to the raw counts, there's no way in the world that you guys would let anyone report that, right? It would be censored. The bias here is far too extreme to pretend that it's anything else. This is just vanilla political bias, but somewhat more cartoonish than we normally see. It would be amazing to write the same paragraph as the intro for Twitter, FB, just flipped to left-* this and that – it would be just as true, probably more true. And just use the mirror image sleazy tactics all over Misplaced Pages. You wouldn't tolerate any of that for a second. It would all be reverted, and only non-leftists would be accused of "edit-warring". This is an appallingly unethical situation. You guys need to understand that your ideology is not a valid substitute for descriptive reality.BlueSingularity (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Then find a source (not your own wp:or) that supports your text.Slatersteven (talk) 16:33, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's goofy. *You* should find a source that supports your text. Let's start there. You'll run aground immediately, since your text can't actually be supported, since it's a weasel opinion wording of "significant". And for all the things you guys lumped together in that sentence, including "far-right", etc. Every one of your smuggled labels should be supported with data. I you don't have any data, then delete it altogether. Right? BlueSingularity (talk) 16:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- It is sourced to 4 sources, in just that one line.Slatersteven (talk) 16:44, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Now obey our policies and make a case at talk. I am done here.Slatersteven (talk) 16:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's goofy. *You* should find a source that supports your text. Let's start there. You'll run aground immediately, since your text can't actually be supported, since it's a weasel opinion wording of "significant". And for all the things you guys lumped together in that sentence, including "far-right", etc. Every one of your smuggled labels should be supported with data. I you don't have any data, then delete it altogether. Right? BlueSingularity (talk) 16:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
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