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Erich Clar page

I want to include a synthetic reaction that is known as Clar's reaction. It is of a certain class of cyclic ketones that condense with themselves when heated to 400 C in a mixture of zinc dust and zinc chloride.

I will add references and a description of what it is used for in synthesizing new polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons.

Need help with website links

Hello! I am the person w 68.173.170.185 (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, IP-user! What are you trying to do and what sort of help do you need with it? DMacks (talk) 00:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I accidentally posted without finishing.

Hello I am the the user that made that official website link edit which is this one.

+2 {{official website}} is fully viable and explicitly allowed (no pref for/against) in WP:EL. It appears to give the same result in this case...what problem are you trying to solve? Undid revision 1261837351

I made the edit because the https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:External_links way of linking is a more cleaner, easier to read when editing, and has less text than the previous edit.

I was wondering what are the benefits and downsides of using the other method way of linking, even though you get the same output is there any downsides to using that way?

If I am correct is the {{official website}} a template? https://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Template

The most common method of inclusion is called transclusion, where the wiki source of the target page contains a reference to the template, using the {{Template name}} syntax. Another method is substitution, where the content of the template is copied into the wiki source of the target page, just once, when it is saved.

Is that slower or require more resources?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Transclusion

Transclusion events occur each time the target page is loaded and the template is rendered. A related event is Substitution, where a template call is replaced with its transcluded source content at the time it is invoked. Unlike transclusion, which continuously updates the target page with changes from the source, substitution results in a one-time inclusion of the content, meaning that subsequent updates to the source content will not be reflected in the target page. For example, a template call for {{Pagename}} with the subst: prefix results in the substitution template call {{#if:|{{PAGENAME:}}|{{PAGENAME}}}}]. When invoked, this template is replaced, also referred to as substituted, with the actual wikitext of the source page at the time of the call, thereby making it a permanent part of the target page.

Thank you, I am still learning and trying to find the best ways of linking stuff on wikipedia. 68.173.170.185 (talk) 01:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Greetings of the season

Happy Holidays

Hello DMacks: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Breyers disruptive editing

Could you please have a look at Breyers and the last three topics on the talk page? A user - Axad12 - is opposing simple sourced edits to a start-class article that should be uncontroversial and easy to describe.

This user and three others refused collaboration or constructive suggestions on a recent DRN. The user claims consensus is established on the talk page to say that a 2013 Breyers dessert product contained "antifreeze", a comment mentioned only in an unscientific book on "banishing belly fat".

Admins Cullen328 and BD2412 previously provided comments indicating use of the antifreeze term was undue. Otherwise, I have made only straightforward, sourced edits that Axad12 immediately reverts.

Thanks for your time. Zefr (talk) 19:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

As per the recent talk page discussion, 6 users oppose the edits that this user has been attempting to make. However, the user keeps opening new threads apparently in the hope that none of the opposing voices will continue to object.

The idea that I have been disruptive here is really quite mistaken. All I have done is reverted edits which are contrary to obvious talk page consensus.

The story here goes back to early November, when the user above implemented a COI edit request that had previously been declined. They were then reverted and ever since then they have bludgeoned the talk page. Axad12 (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll take a look over the next day or two... DMacks (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm particularly concerned with Zefr's attitude towards other editors, including myself, like WP:ASPERSION using words like "disparaging Breyers", "slander" and such that is brodering WP:NLT and in general, failure to assume good faith. Graywalls (talk) 00:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

(Apologies for the length of this post, but the content is relevant to the discussion here.)

Just a note to say that I'd suggest that any analysis of the events here should start at the COI edit request thread from back in August where the disputed material (on Propylene Glycol) was declined to be removed, here .

There are then a series of short threads where the paid COI user calls upon Zefr to implement changes to the article. The background to those short threads is this attempt by the COI user to pick up a project member more amenable to implementing his agenda than had been encountered by relying on a random user working out of the COI edit request queue. Having failed to locate such a project member the paid COI editor then makes a direct approach to Zefr (a member of the relevant project) here at Zefr's talk page. Then, having found the user amenable, further direct approaches at the user's talk page are made here and here (these are on top of the repeated pinging of the user in the relevant COI edit requests).

Then we have the resubmission of the request to remove the disputed material in a COI edit request thread here and the exactly simultaneous request for Zefr to deal with the COI edit request in this direct approach at the user's talk page, here .

I'd suggest that the series of events outlined here is a clear example of paid editing black arts, whereby a friendly project member is deliberately cultivated and canvassed by the paid COI editor with the clear intention of later reintroducing a contentious and previously declined request in such a way that their cultivated account will implement it.

About an hour after the contentious edit request was implemented by Zefr a new thread was started by Graywalls, here disputing the legitimacy of the removal of the Propylene Glycol-related material. This then sets off the many subsequent threads where the material is discussed at great length across the rest of the talk page material.

I'd thus suggest that simply looking at the last three topics on the talk page, as suggested by Zefr above, would not come close to giving a full understanding of the events here. Axad12 (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Accusation of "disparaging" here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Breyers#c-Zefr-20241113205400-Graywalls-20241113203800

This may have instigated a comment abstractly hinted taking actions through outside means: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Breyers#c-Dustfreeworld-20241118165800-Axad12-20241118062200

All on all, phrasing like "disparaging" and Zefr's subsequent aspersion casting of "slander" is getting awfully close to AGF and no legal threat territory, as happened https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Breyers#c-Zefr-20241129044200-Graywalls-20241129042900 and https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Breyers#c-Zefr-20241129035300-Graywalls-20241129033700 Graywalls (talk) 13:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

A further example of the concept of slander being invoked (twice) by Zefr, this time from the DRN thread.

While I don’t see these mentions (and those above) as specific legal threats, the purpose of continually alleging slander is obviously an attempt to derail reasonable discussion and to have a generally chilling effect. This is essentially the same approach that Zefr has taken in repeatedly alleging that I have committed multiple policy breaches by simply reverting edits which are contrary to talk page consensus.

As far as I can see it is all just bully boy tactics, plain and simple. Axad12 (talk) 14:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

And there's the general WP:OWN behaviors by Zefr like having presented expectations to others to present changes to them before editing and stating Statements of facts supported by reliable sources do not need talk page consensus. to justify their own changes against consensus in https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Breyers#c-Zefr-20241123214600-Graywalls-20241120204600 which they had to be corrected by Aoidh and PhilKnight. There's general consensus over a handful of editors to have some mention of propylene glycol, which is a sourced information. I feel Zefr is trying to single handedly suppress it. Graywalls (talk) 13:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

By the way @Zefr:, the Cullen and BD being admins don't lend additional weight to content related disagreement. The term "antifreeze" is currently not in the article. Graywalls (talk) 18:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

William Ellery

I don't know where "Andem" comes from, but William Ellery Sr. was a prominent RI politician who died in 1764.

And given where Andem St is in Providence, there's no way there was a street there in 1776, when Samuel Ward died. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Innnnnteresting, thanks! I am not knowledgeable about the history of that area of Providence. Good removal of uncited and now seemingly dubious. DMacks (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Neither am I terribly knowledgeable about Providence history, but I did grow up there. :) SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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