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Yeah baby, Archive 10 will be MINE!

Aaanyway... I just went through our pride and joy Velociraptor. Didn't really add anything new, just copyediting and formatting, general cleanup and so forth. Would you mind copyediting my copyedits if you have the time? Thanks! Sheep81 07:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow... misspelled "cleanup"... that's not a good sign. Sheep81 07:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It's fine, whenever. A lot of little changes can take longer to look through than a few big ones sometimes. Sheep81 07:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the link to scientific peer review! Sheep81 00:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestions on Daspletosaurus. I'm actually working on the refs right now so I'll work those changes in. Personally I think I'm ready to defend it for FAC, but I wanted to have the peer review to back it up (not that anyone responded of course). I'm working realllly long hours right now (left in the am and didn't get home til almost 10pm tonight) but I'll have time off in 2 days... I think I'll put Daspletosaurus up for FAC on Wednesday night. Just so you know what I'm thinking. And I'll be more than happy to look over the K-T article, I really want that one to be good actually since most of my fieldwork has been in the Hell Creek. I'll check it out some time in the next few days... right now I am gonna finish what I am doing on Daspi and then hit the sack though. Night! Sheep81 09:43, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

KMSP-TV page protection

That was a good move, but I'm just sorry it had to go that far. You have to admit that I tired to communicate with Fightingirish, but it seemed he was more interested in getting his own way. I may be tough to deal with, but he hasn't exactly been an Wiki-angel himself.

BTW, is there anyway to find out of anyone is using an anonymous IP address to make the same kind of edits? I think Fightingirish and "75.73.209.164" are one and the same. Rollosmokes 16:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Stop trying to blame this all on me! I only post under my username. The anonymous IP reverted my work. As far as I know, it could be you. Look, I'm trying to make this a good article. I revised the whole thing and added references.

And again, you were the one who started the revert war. Stop trying to pass yourself off as innocent! I think it's appalling when people try to bully their way around Misplaced Pages.

And you have to admit, I was the one who initially reached out to find out why my edits were being reverted. You did not. Stop trying to blame others for your own mischief. --Fightingirish 16:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I'll just respond here, as both users have posted to my talk page. It seems unlikely that 75 is Fightingirish, but a check user can be performed on request. Similarly, it seems unlikely that Rollo is 75, either, as the edits resolve to a Minnesota address. Still, a RFCU can also be performed. Leave a request on the checkuser page, and then when the results come back negative, let's discuss this on the article's talk page. Firsfron of Ronchester 17:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to litter your talk page with this crap. I took the liberty to redo the article this morning. I added updated information, along with references and cites, as you have complained that most TV articles lack. This is my last edit here, prior to the anonymous IP who reverted. I think this would be a good starting point for analyzing the article, to see what could be added or subtracted. So far, I think this is heading in the right direction. --Fightingirish 17:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event

OK, my favorite dinosaur expert, I've put in a lot of edits to begin cleaning up this POS article. I've reworked the sections into something resembling an encyclopedic article. The writing is atrocious. In addition, I think I found an article from which much of the writing was plagiarized, which is a major no no. So, I'm beat. It's your turn. I'll clean up and add references, but I've struggled with the lead, and maybe you can rework it. Despite my obsession with post-KT dinosaurs (and Noah's Ark), I think that we gave undue weight to those animals, so I've cut a lot of the writing on it, and moved the best referenced parts to the bottom. It also appears that a couple of POV editors (with or without good intentions) added a lot about the Shiva crater, which from what I read probably isn't a crater. Anyways, I know you have made a lot of GA and FA articles. If you can spend an hour cleaning up some of it, I'll put in a few hours, and maybe we'll have something. Orangemarlin 07:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

ROFLMAO!!!!!!Orangemarlin 16:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, you don't want to edit Living dinosaurs. The Puppy has suggest looking at Category:Lake cryptids. You should read this crap. Orangemarlin 16:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you know?

On 18 June, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eocursor, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Commas or parentheses for scientific name in opening sentence and elsewhere

(Now that was a long header wasn't it?) There's a debate here about commas versus parentheses for scientific names for organisms (well in this case birds). I'm not sure whether this has been raised elsewhere but would be good to establish once and for all here and could apply as MOS across all biology articles. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

9000th edit:

Yay! I'm nearly up to 10,000 edits!!! Anyway, you're probably one of my best friends on here right now, so you can have the gift of my 9001st edit! ;) I was thinking of making Allosaurus my next pet project after Ive finished creating some non-dinosaurian articles first. What do you think? Would you join me? Spawn Man 03:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaurs project

You know that you can add the project to the new projects section of the Misplaced Pages:Community Portal once in a while, right? That sort of advertisement might help out a lot. I'm basically in a somewhat similar situation to the one you described with Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Saints, so I know where you're coming from. One thing that I have mentioned elsewhere is possible creation of a virtual "temp group" to help fulfill some of a given project's functions in the event of dormancy. Implementation of such an idea, of course, presents so many problems that I can see why no one has ever tried to follow through with it. One other possibility would be to maybe try to propose (somehow and somewhere, because I don't have a clue as to how either would be done) the creation of some sort of Vital Projects list, listing those which are and are not most important relative to content. I think that one will probably wait a few months before a bot which has been under discussion for something else is created. It's supposed to try to provide some sort of indication of the comparatively "objective" importance of a given article to wikipedia as a whole. Like I said, though, that's still in the development stages. Let me know if you can think of some specific tasks you want help with though, and I'll see what I can do. John Carter 20:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

One idea comes to mind. I know that some projects have an additional category which the presence of the banner places articles in. If the banner could be constructed to include that category, then a "recent changes" specialpage could be created which would more easily allow even one person to at least somewhat check on changes. Unfortunately, the only banners I know that do this also include some assessment criteria as well. Would you want to change the banner to accomodate assessments, and thus include that category, or not? There probably are other banners which do it as well, of course, but I honestly don't know of any right off. If you also want an assessment department, let me know and I should be able to set it up by the end of the day. John Carter 20:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm becoming an old hand at assessments. If you wanted any particular help in that department, I could do at least some of the quality assessments. The importance assessments would be another matter entirely, but many projects only assess the top and High importance articles anyway, so that might not be as difficult as you might think. John Carter 14:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: WP:CIVIL and consensus

Threats? What threats? Perhaps if you'd actually bothered to read the paragraph in question, instead of quoting it out-of-context, you'd see that the user in question made the same dumb-ass mistake you have made yourself, namely making the blanket assertion that any well-formed argument based on an essay is ipso facto nonsense. I would have assumed an administrator would be above such things. 81.104.175.145 01:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Blocks

User:81.104.175.145 requested an unblock, which I declined as the reason for the block is apparent in the contributions. However, I would politely ask that in the future that you do not block someone for incidents or disputes in which you have been involved. This is explicitly against our blocking policy and helps ensure that the process is fair. Cheers! Vassyana 02:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WGN-TV

I've let myself cool off after the unnecessarily heated KMSP and WNBC battles, but here's another of those small things that just sticks in my craw: TV9 has apparently done all he/she can to claim ownership of the WGN-TV article, to the point of nitpicking over correct use of capitalization (whether the word The should be capitalized within a sentence). But my main problem here is TV9 continues to incorrectly change the Wikilinks for both The WB Television Network and The CW Television Network to The WB and The CW. I correctly fixed the links to avoid redirects, but every time I've done this, TV9 changes it back, using claims of improper grammar as his/her excuse. I have commented to TV9 on how the links should be written in the article, but he/she has ignored my advice.

I am tired of coming to you complaining about small things like this, but I have no other alternative. Rollosmokes 04:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

FYI

User:WBardwin has attempted to convert the pop culture section of Tyrannosaurus into a list. I reverted it, he reverted it back, I re-reverted it, and now he has added some trivial reference into the section. I cannot revert it again for fear of breaking WP:3RR. See my attempt at civility here: User_talk:WBardwin#Tyrannosaurus_rex_pop_culture. Maybe I should sick Spawn Man on him! :) Sheep81 08:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Odd.....

I just checked edit count & noticed that the count only had me down for 288 edits to the article Dinosaur. This is odd because I specifically remember that's the only article I've ever made over 300 edits to. How could my edit count for that article have gone down by 12 edits? Thought you might know since you're all up with your edit count etc. Cheers, Spawn Man 11:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Defense of T-rex

Gentlemen (I assume), you are both being defensive and I think unnecessarily so. I'm no newby and I have worked on (gasp) Dinosaurs before, even on the (much earlier) T-rex article. I even created a dinosaur article on a new find in Utah. But your pop section reads like a list because it came from a list and so I formatted it as a list to see what was really in there. As written, it is not worthy of a featured article. It needs to be rewritten in a historical context, i.e. the initial popular imagery arising from the representations/models of early finds and how that image has changed (slowly, since about the 1960's if I remember it right). I have a book by Horner (I think), that talks about the popular image of T-rex, its origins, and errors. That would be a good start. Then, I would eliminate all "pop" examples, except those that represent examples of how T-rex's image changed over time, i.e. King Kong vs Jurassic Park. The list article needs a great deal of work, and is way out of balance, but "popular culture" is one of Misplaced Pages's biggest weaknesses. As for Garcia, he came to the top of my head as I was thinking about what else could be added, so he can stay or go. Sawyer is a much better scifi example. If you think your "army" of reverters would stand for it, I'll add the section to my to-do list. Best.......WBardwin 23:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

What??????!!!!!!?????? Orangemarlin 23:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Is he saying that T rex isn't FA worthy, or that T rex in Pop culture isn't FA worthy. If it's the later; everybody knows that & you're welcome to rewrite it & expand it. Despite this, your above comment is confusing: First off, which article are you refering to? Secondly, Do you intend to remove all pop culture references from all dinosaur articles, or just T rex in pop culture? Thirdly, Garcia is not even close to being notable enough to put on the main T rex article, but he could certainly go in the T rex in pop culture article instead. Very confusing indeed... Spawn Man 03:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Opposite birds

I'll have a look. Off the top of my head i can't think of any except there is an excellen book on early birds in the library which I can check. I'll get back to you. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Spawn and the Dino Project

Hey Firsfron, thanks for the note. Don't worry, I'm not going to let my feelings about Spawn Man curtail my Misplaced Pages activities. I'll stay just as active on the actual articles (as you say, there are thousands of them). There are other reasons I haven't been too involved with the project - I'm something of a lone-wolf by nature, and I'm so sporadic on the Misplaced Pages that I don't think it's worth putting my name down for actually doing jobs. I can't be bothered dealing with Spawn's kind of aggravation, so I'm not planning get any more involved with the project than I have been. I won't let it affect my communication with other editors though. — John.Conway 17:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, I smell treason about me.... It's always nice to know people never stop talking about you behind your back eh? I don't need you apologising for me Firs, I'm quite capable of doing it myself, as I already have in a way. I'm not a toddler any more; I don't need people cleaning up my messes & help getting to my feet or people apologising or fixing things when I trip up. If you have a problem about how I act, place it on my talk page, not someone elses. And if you feel like you're kowtowing around me, or trying not to upset me, that's you're fault & I never said you had to. I'm quite capable of taking a bit of critisism. This goes for everyone, as there's been this whole thing of "don't upset Spawn" going around. I've asked JC if he wants my name removed from the participants list on the project & I'll quite happily accept whatever decision he makes. I wouldn't want to be a problem or a hinder to anyone wanting to get things done around the project. In any case, it's good to know who your friends are... Spawn Man 06:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Ya know what, if that's what you think of me then fine. As per my post on JC's talk page, people assume that my descriptive words are actually emotional. You're not really being a friend by saying stuff like that I can't go a week or so without an argument. People come into a situation with me and they've already got me in a bad light. They assume they'll have an argument with me, they assume I'll be critical, they assume I'll be nasty. And we all know what you wish for in your mind comes true. If you think negatively your subconscience reacts. For example, if I told several people that Firs was mean, and then told Sheepy to tell them that Firs was mean, those people would come into the situation thinking you were mean & act accordingly so without knowing your true nature. So not only do I not get a second chance with most people, I don't get a first chance & it really is tirng because of "friends" like you who can't fathom me going a week without an argument. I've been a lot longer than 40 days without an argument thank you very much, that counter was only there for a short time because I wanted to show an admin I was behaving, so that is not even close to how long I've really been without fights. So that's all I have to say really. You don't have to deal with me. Spawn Man 03:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Meh, whatever. A bit angry right now... Spawn Man 03:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Todd Marshall images

I've noticed that there are quite a few Todd Marshall images uploaded by User:Benosaurus on various articles. See Majungasaurus and Rajasaurus for instance. He says on his talk page that he asked Todd for permission to use the images in Misplaced Pages. I am... skeptical. How would be a good way to go about resolving this one way or the other? Sheep81 13:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I just heard back from Todd Marshall and apparently he is okay with it! So we are in the clear there. He was actually happy that I asked him. Sheep81 08:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Request to help

While I was doing some editing for a task force, I added an environmental report published by an environmental organization which Reuters reported it regarding 56 companies and their policies on climate change. Of those 56 companies, some are fast food chains. An editor reverted all my additions to all fast food companies that the report mentioned, saying the report is published by a small environmental group and inappropriate to the articles. What I believe is that Reuters has at least checked the news for accuracy before publishing it, and fast food chains produced a lot of wastes which resulted in low marks in the report. I hope if you can intervene on this matter and suggest what to do next.

You can read more of the discussion between me and that editor at Talk:Burger King#Environmental report and both users' talk page. OhanaUnited 05:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fictional dinosaurs

Thanks for your note on my talk page! I'm glad what I compiled proved useful, rather than being ranting blather. And: squee, Shadowmarch. I haven't been there in forever. Do I get to glomp you in a community-loving way, or has it been too long for that? -Dread / pinkgothic 14:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Smarch: I actually figured it must have already closed years ago. What a shame! Is it a question of activity or of finances?

Erk. Abusing wikipedia for chitter-chatter. *scolds self*

Tell you what: My eMail's removed. I'd love to hear from you. In fact, now that I mention it, I still have an eMail from Aan from months back that I haven't answered. Urk. If you like, you can remove my eMail address from this page once you've got it; might help combat spammage, even if it's still in the page history. I'd appreciate it, anyway. -pinkgothic 14:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Would like an opinion from an admin

Do you think my actions on the Rod Beck page were correct? (reverting previously unsourced death info and requesting semi protection) --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 20:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment...on Talk:Rod Beck though, there's this IP that keeps making rude personal attacks. Exactly why they shouldn't be allowed to edit IMO. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 18:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

S. ovatus

I went to the library but the issue containing the original description was either checked out or lost. I'll look again when I get back in 3 weeks if it's still needed. Sorry! Sheep81 07:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:Psittacosauridae.JPG)

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Thanks

Hey Doc!

Thanks for the vandalism revert here. I'm deathly worried that, with Sheep on vacation in Africa, Dinoguy working on his Masters in Australia, Justin wanting to become less active, and Cas busy working on WP:BIRDS, that I'll miss some important vandalism and it won't get reverted. Thanks again. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Firs, thanks for noticing! I didn't realize you were running so shorthanded; I still have over 100 Dino articles watchlisted from the last Red Alert (that's how I nailed this one), but maybe I can try to cover more of them. Always happy to help : ) Doc Tropics 13:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

LMAO! You broke the wiki! My list is only 1330, so it's good to know what the limits are : ) Doc Tropics 17:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

You know Firs and I had to work on the K-T extinction article ourselves. It's better, but a long way from GA status. You disappeared for a month, and I was going to attend your funeral someplace. Orangemarlin 18:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Reports of my death are premature...Doc Tropics 18:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Paleocene dinosaurs

I've been reworking Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event--yes the lead is improved. I've been digging up references for these dinosaurs, and short of a lot of Cryptozoology articles (talk about junk science), there's one hadrosaur femur in New Mexico, some supposed research in China (can't find references), and some information that dinosaurs existed above the K-T boundary in the Hell Creek formation. But really, there are precious few references supporting it, but a lot in opposition. Thinking about undue weight, I'm beginning to wonder if this needs to be a POV fork (and away from Living dinosaurs). Just a thought that maybe you can consider as we move forward. Orangemarlin 23:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Tulsa TV Memories web site

Hi there. I am the webmaster of Tulsa TV Memories.

I noticed a dustup over the authority of some material presented on my site. The material in question is a University of Tulsa masters thesis, which I scanned, OCR'd, and painstakingly corrected, keeping every superscript and footnote exactly as they appeared on the printed copy.

Am I required to be a publisher for that material to be credible?

As you noted, my site is not a blog. It does have a "group blog" to allow readers to contribute.

I'm just curious; I don't intend to become involved with the Dumont article.

TulsaTV 06:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

help!

Hi Firsfron! Sorry I haven't been much help with the dinosaur project lately. I've been super busy. But I completely intend to go back to it and continue. You may have noticed that I wiki in short spurts before disappearing for months at a time. Anyway, I can't remember how to get rid of that box that shows up whenever you hover over a link. I believe you're the one who told me how to set it up, and at the time it was useful, but I'd like to disable it for a bit because it is seriously inhibiting my ability to edit anything. (I don't know if it's because I'm on Opera or what but it won't GO AWAY once it shows up.) Anyway, could you remind me how to turn it off? THANK YOU!!! Devotchka 19:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I will be back to help with the dinosaurs. :) Devotchka 17:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Could use your help

I've gotten myself in a kerfuffle (just read my talk page) over an aggressive editor who, for some reason, has appointed him or herself as the keeper of archiving. They went at Talk:Creation science pretty badly, and the fallout has been tremendous. I've got an ANI, totally unfair, although I admit my tolerance of bad behavior is minimal, a warning on my User talk page, another editor User:ConfuciusOrnis has been blocked for trying to clean up the mass archiving of a contentious article, and another editor User:Filll has be slapped around too. I'm coming here because I think you know me well enough to know that I'm not here to destroy articles, kick around noobs, or even to cause mass trouble. I've been attacked by sockpuppets who have vandalized my page (and the user who is the root of all of this trouble, Fatalis, actually vandalized my talk page, although some people are AGFing him, which I can't, especially after several reprimands of his archiving and reverting issues). I'm not whining here, because this has been a major waste of time. I was so frustrated by Fatalis, that I didn't focus on the K-T article which I think we've made some headway. If you think that this garbage is best left in the dump, then so be it. It's just not fair when someone goes off the deep end like Fatalis, calls people names left and right, whines to several admins, who don't spend more than a nanosecond looking into the record (yeah, my AGF skills are shot today), and one editor (a good one) gets blocked (thereby killing any support he'll get to be an admin himself), and I get a warning and an ANI (thereby killing my chances to ever to be an admin). I trust you, so if you have any sage advice, or you've got a T. rex to sick on someone (other than me of course), I'd appreciate it. Orangemarlin 05:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Ed Kilgore

Ed Kilgore was an AFD. And it was never deleted.NYYankee2684 02:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event

It's starting to come together. I think it's much more informative now, and it is actually a pleasure to read. I wish we could dig up some more editors to help out. I think it has the makings of a very good FAC. Orangemarlin 00:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

See this. Hmmmmm. Orangemarlin 16:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Gastralia

I was writing mine while you were writing yours; it took me longer because I had to dig out an anatomy textbook. :) J. Spencer 04:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, would it make more sense as the singular gastralium? I almost never see it as singular in print, though. J. Spencer 04:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Help

I was wondering if you could review this post and warn the editor that this type of attitude is inappropriate. We've spent a goodly amount of time on Herpes zoster cleaning up the unscientific mess. Two editors, in plain violation of NPOV and undue weight, are attempting to add unscientific and frankly fringe theories to the article. They have engaged in slow edit warring, but several editors have reverted the mess. Her posting sounds like a threat, so I hope a gentle warning from an admin will help out. Thanks. Orangemarlin 16:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Reluctantly I had to do this: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Banno. You were a minor participant, so if you have anything to say, please do. Orangemarlin 22:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Kritosaurus

Does this article ring a bell? Well, I'm here to tell you that it's now GA status. Congrats. OhanaUnited 18:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Herpes Zoster Fishtalk

I first posted a section on the botanical treatment of herpes zoster, with 24 reliable pubMed references. I treat patients and have had success using reliable, documentable botanical treatment, which in most of the developing world, and even in parts of the developed world, is the standard form of medicine. Orangemarlin reverted it saying that "Homeopathy is fringe medicine". I had not mentioned homeopathy, which is fringe, despite better than placebo trials published in the Lancet, but frankly I don't do homeopathy nor do I have much interest in whether it works, I do material botanical medicine, which was the standard US hospital medicine my father practiced before WW2. His entire premise for reversion was "Homeopathy is pseudoscience, and herbs are homeopathy", a premise that is pretty darn ignorant. I even defined the terms and referred him to Misplaced Pages articles that defined the terms, but he shrilly held to his "homeopathy is pseudoscience" which while probably true is irrelevant to the edits in question. (Does the guy even care if he can't define words properly?) He similarly held that vitamins, posted by Jagra, with a long list of pubMed references, were akin to crystals. Not a good faith edit in either case. When he started implying that the German pharmaceutical studies were Nazi studies, he lost any pretense to good faith.

Now it is true that some (not all) of the studies have focused more on herbal treatment of H. simplex than H. zoster, but the medications derived from them have been used since the 60s for zoster and are hardly considered fringe in say Germany or most of Europe. Jagra makes good points that in his part of the world, patients are rarely diagnosed within the 72 hour window when antivirals are useful and tend to be too poor to use them, so use other means. However treatments that he and I have posted about, with decent scientific backing even when not 100% proven, have been used clinically throughout India, Africa, Europe and Asia and can be used when antivirals are either unavailable or medical care delivery is delayed. In fact as Jagra pointed out, many of the vitamin treatments work on the immune system, and help people throw off the shingles. While Orangemarlin may not think that is relevant, I don't know a single doctor who treats shingles without a patient attached, and the patient's immunological function is certainly relevant, and may pointedly predispose them to zoster in the absence of specific nutrients as the pubMed references Jagra mentioned implied.

It would be acceptable to have a separate section on botanical and nutrient treatment, stating that the gold standard is antivirals, but that they must be given within 72 hours and other treatment is complementary or useful when those conditions cannot be met. Frankly I have no interest in preventing patients who have access to antivirals from doing so, unless their livers are shot, although I have seen combination botanical and pharmaceutical treatment be more successful than either alone. Zoster hurts. It is also perfectly acceptable to state the strengths and weaknesses of any studies. However reverting them and calling them fringe or not preponderant weakens Misplaced Pages and hides knowledge used in the rest of the English speaking world, and which is of interest to pharmaceutical companies seeking new products or people unable to access US style care. The ethnocentrism and selective ignorance used to revert the edits, in lieu of improving the descriptions does not further the goals of Misplaced Pages, and certainly do not meet basic NPOV. KSVaughan2 23:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

If the liver is shot, Herpes Zoster is the least of one's concerns.

Realistically speaking, herbal remedies are of highly debatable efficacy, and the studies undertaken to prove efficacy are generally very poorly done. Note that I said prove, not determine: as with homeopathy it seems very much to matter what the stated purpose of the study is.

In any case, a section on herbal remedies, assuming it does not violate undue weight, would be acceptable to me. Keep in mind that other editors will be free to point out the debatable efficacy of herbal remedies, including the facts that H. zoster is a self-limiting disease and that herbal remedies are likely to address the symptoms, not the underlying disease. •Jim62sch• 15:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Back to K-T

First of all, sorry about the above. I've asked some other editors to get involved, who's expertise more closely matches what is required by the article. But on to more interesting subjects. Here's some other images I found:

1. best
2. all right
3. very cool

Orangemarlin 00:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

So, do you think we're ready to submit for GA status? Orangemarlin 00:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

July 2007 GAC backlog elimination drive

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Remove user sub-page

Can you remove User:OhanaUnited/Local Events and Culture? I don't think I'll need it any more. Many thanks. OhanaUnited 18:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant. Thanks for correcting me. Anyways, almost 2:30am on my side, good night! OhanaUnited 18:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks, Firs.

I am new to this and quite shaky, especially in formatting my entries, and especially my references. Please feel free to tidy my stuff up wherever you feel I need it.

Your own work is impressive and prolific.

Since I have access to almost all dinosaur monographs (with the exception of some of the journals published in mandarin) I thought that I could help out by contributing material directly from them.

Thanks again -jbrougham

K-T Extinction

WOW! Orangemarlin 16:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Someone took away the GA status. Not sure it was done properly in either case. Orangemarlin 14:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Joyland Amusement Park (Wichita)

Hey, F... can you help me out with Joyland Amusement Park (Wichita)? User:Ccane continues to add extraneous material to the article, and I'm just not sure how to handle the situation so that we address his/her concerns but still fall within WP rules. (I think the edits are in good faith, but just not done in the proper way, and after having rv'ed a couple of those edits already, the last thing I want to do is imply malicious intent.) Thanks! Amnewsboy 16:02, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Range block?

Hey Fang Aili,

Do you know how to perform a range block? I have taken a look at the range block help page, and I can't figure it out. There's an incident here that needs attention, but I don't know how to do it. Any ideas? Firsfron of Ronchester 17:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I've never done a range block before. I thought it would involve blocking IPs with similar numbers, like 55.55.55.1 through 55.55.55.3. But this guy's IP addresses are all over the place. --Fang Aili 20:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

See Isotope23's offer to help with a range block. Contact him if you like--I will probably be too busy the next few days to learn something new like this. --Fang Aili 21:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Golden Gate bridge

Hi Firsfron: Just wondering if you remember why you added the WP:Bird project template to the Golden Gate Bridge article (back in December 2006)... Inquiring minds want to know! :) MeegsC | Talk 13:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! MeegsC | Talk 18:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOT a Directory... and radio

Firsfron, I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my situation with you. I am an contributor, having edited radio station pages in the U.S. for some time now... admittedly, one such article regarding a radio station where I've worked for the last 17 years -- contributing what I hope is unbiased fact.

Recently, a section of an article that lists the current on-air personalities and the shifts they fill was removed by a user claiming the info was a "promotional schedule and listing". I undid those changes, noting that "programme lists and schedules may be acceptable". Subsequently, the user once again deleted my info claiming that "WP is not an electronic program guide". I undid the changes again, noting that the info "is NOT an electronic programming guide, it is in fact a significant programme list/schedule". This time I added a section in the discussion portion of the article, where I went into more depth about this topic -- citing your recent discussion about schedules and program lists. You can also see the history of the article in question here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=WNCX&action=history.

My question to you is that the recent discussion on this topic centered primarily around current Television schedules -- with only a casual mention of Radio. This seems to have started some confusion perhaps, on the clarity of this topic for radio. There are thousands of radio stations in the USA -- with MOST articles having their on-air personality schedules on them (I believe what you in the UK refer to as "presenters"). It is important to note, that most radio stations schedules do not change for very long periods of time... for example the radio station that I edited this article about (as in years). Thus, the information could and should be considered historical, should it not? To have it removed citing this policy really makes me wonder what is the policy here? So I am seeking you out for clarity, so that this other user and I don't continue changing each others changes. I note that this particular user changed many of the articles about radio stations in this particular city -- and has made numerous other changes to many other articles about radio stations throught the US, citing this same policy. So where do you think radio schedules fall? Current or historic?

Thanks again for the opportunity. Djockers 22:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll chime in here, since I have been one of the people that has been removing these promotional schedules from articles. I really do feel that there needs to be some discussion of this topic, so we can sort this all out once and for all.

I am of the mindset that this stuff is mere clutter, and just duplicates what is on the station's website. And while the odd station here or there may have some solidity in their on-air roster, that is certainly not the case for most of the stations out there. Articles for TV stations don't have the whole on-air schedules on them, so why should radio stations? For large markets like New York, L.A., San Francisco, etc., I have been more lenient, since at many of these stations, a good deal of the on-air talents are actual celebrities, and are well-known in the industry. But Cleveland? No offense, but I just don't see the mention of the early Sunday morning public affairs show to be of vital importance. There is no real credible reason for schedules of this type to be included in an article. I will say that I have compromised a bit and rewritten some on-air schedules in truncated paragraph form.

I just posted the following at Wikiproject:Radio Stations. Here's the text:

I've run across quite a few of these things. These are long lists and schedules listing every on-air shift and every on-air personality at the station, even down to the Sunday morning public affairs shows. I've noticed that many of these have been put into the articles by radio station employees themselves. In fact, I'm currently involved in an editing conflict with a radio station employee who obviously think that adding this stuff is of vital importance. Take this one for example:

Programs

Weekdays

• 12:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m.: After Midnight with Blair Garner
• 5:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.: Mantel and Michelle
• 9:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.: Michelle Maloney
• 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.: Michael J. (Also on WPOC)
• 2:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.: Chuck Collier (Also on WMJI)
• 7:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.: Kat Jackson

Saturday

• 12:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.: After Midnight Weekends with Larry Morgan
• 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.: Ben and Brian's Big Top 20 Countdown
• 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.: Michelle Maloney
• 2:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.: Chuck Collier (Also on WMJI)
• 7:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.: The Big Time Saturday Night with Whitney Allen

Sunday

• 12:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m.: After Midnight Weekends with Larry Morgan
• 6:00 a.m. to 6:30 a.m.: Public Affairs with Ted Lux
• 6:30 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.: Cleveland Country Classics with Chuck Collier (Also on WMJI)
• 8:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.: American Country Countdown with Kix Brooks
• 12:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.: Kat Jackson
• 6:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m.: Scott Glaser/Daune Robinson (Also on WMJI, WMVX & WHOF)/Ryan Lloyd

Quite frankly, I feel this is rather excessive, is promotional, long, poorly laid out, irrelevant, filled with names of people few people really care about and merely duplicates information found on the stations' web sites. These are too directory-like and full of unimportant information. I think it's time to address this issue and see what others involved in the project think about schedules on radio station articles. Personally, unless we're talking New York or L.A. or some talk station, this is really useless information, particularly for a market like Cleveland. Especially when one can find this on the station's website. And it's certainly not a place to promote one's buddies.

In closing, many of the radio articles suffer from massive bloat. Take WCBS-FM for example. I tried paring this thing down, to be straight to the point and a nice read, without all the rambling. This was even after many people complained about how poorly written the article was prior. The thanks I got? People reverted all the changes and added even more crap, including a whole list of the station's management and sales department. Unreal! My goal is merely to help make these articles to the point, easy to read, free from spam and advertising, factual, filled with key historical and technical information, and above all, an interesting read for casual visitors. And quite frankly, I think this should be key to any article. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Fightingirish 00:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

KRQE

Howdy Firs! Quick question for you: What do you think of this article? I think the "Notable Personalities" and "News/Station Presentation" sections should be removed, but I was recently questioned after taking a similar action on some other stations. Does the TV wikiproject have a consensus on these kinds of sections? Thanks, Fang Aili 01:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey Fang Aili!

First off, thanks for your quick action regarding the Mmbabies IPs. I did receive your e-mail and Isotope's, and am looking into it. I knew I could count on you to help find a solution.

Regarding KRQE.. what do I think of it? Well, Bergmann (2002) indicates it was a DuMont affiliate until 1955, but that's not mentioned in the history section, naturally. Instead, there's an emphasis on recent events (the station jumps to 1995 in the third paragraph!). It seems to me that the "Trivia" items could be combined elsewhere, and the section heading removed. There was a compromise about on-air personalities, that if they weren't truly notable enough for their own articles, they would just be mentioned in the station article. Some station articles are so list-crufty that I have even removed janitors and secretaries from station staff lists. For now, WP:TVS has decided to list only on-air personalities: people who are recognizable in that market (some markets cover entire states). The rest of the article seems to conform to WP:TVS#Article_structure (yes, even the FCC links and the News/Station Presentation).

Yes, a lot of these articles are cruft-filled, but the WP:TVS editors fought long, hard, and ultimately unsuccessfully to keep their galleries of Fair Use images, and are still stinging from that. If you'd like to restructure these articles, for your own sanity I'd reccommend you discuss it on the WP:TVS page first so that a compromise can be reached. There's so much work to be done on these articles that I don't even know where to start, but I can certainly support a clean-up effort (or, you know, even basic citations!). Firsfron of Ronchester 02:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I think from now on I will limit myself to removing programming schedules and fair-use image (logo) galleries -- and leave the other stuff. But dang, some of it is so crufty! Well, happy editing. --Fang Aili 15:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Dinos

I'm glad a real paleontologist can take of these type of edits. I have no clue what you're talking about. !!!! LOL. Orangemarlin 02:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Advice on Portal:Jurassic Park:

Hi Firs. I recently found the mentioned portal after it was placed in the related portals section of the dino portal. I checked it out & saw it had a number of problems which were in violation of the fair use policy among others. Firstly, none of the pictures on the portal (all of which are fair use) have fair use rationale. I expressed this to the user (User:Cuddly Panda) who has been the sole contributor of the portal with no reply. On closer inspection, it seems the user has been uploading & adding fair use images to wikipedia for some time now, possibly upwards of a year, & despite numerous warning from automated bots etc, has now seemed to learn from this or the links provided or ceased their image infringements. Just check out the user's talk page - nearly every message is a message about the misuse of uploads. In addition to this, the portal is very poor in quality, unmaintained and relies heavily on unfree images and poor portal sections (some of which have already been nominated for deletion). So I wanted to ask you what action I could take next. There's a few options:

1) Obviously the user is not listening to warnings & my messages, so could I possibly bring this up at the administrator's noticeboard? They could then decide what to do next.

2) Since sections of the JP Portal are being nomianted for deletion already, I could potentially nominate the whole portal at MfD with a vote of "no opinion". This would see what other editors think of the portal & even if it is kept, the portal's fair use pictures problem would still be sorted out by the end of the nomiantion.

3) I'll probably do this anyway, but the user is on Editor Review & I could also place a note there explaining what the user is doing wrong & how to remedy this.

So, I'd personally like to do all three, but if you can think of something else & help me decide which of those, if any, to carry out, it would be appreciated. I'll post this to another admin just to get a second opinion as well. Cheers, Spawn Man 03:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Lions in pop culture AfD:

- Classic. Gosh, you really do crack me up sometimes Firs. :) Spawn Man 07:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I can sense you're angry at me. If I ever get too much, just say so. Spawn Man 05:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol - Kinda funny we both thought we were mad at each other... Anyway, I feel kinda useless around the Dino Project at the moment. I think I've done my dash in regard to Dino FAs as we move into the more specialised dinosaur genera & not many people seem to like me anyway, so I'm thinking of withdrawing. I've given it some thought, especially after the John Conway argument & I've decided I'd rather have him than me in a project any day. I don't want to keep him from joining and the whole argument with him unnerved me a bit, so I think it'll be for the best. Hopefully I'll find some other project to latch on to lol. Anyway, I wouldn't neglect my responsibilities at the dino portal, but I'd probably go solo on here. Anyway, just thought you should know. Sincerly, Spawn Man 12:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Geesh, you stay up late! Nah, he specifically said he wouldn't join because I was joined too. Silly I know, but I'd rather you guys had him than someone who have run out of enthusiasm & was never really that good at writing dinosaur articles anyway. I've just realised that I'm not really that liked on here; I'm never going to make admin & I might as well tuck myself away, not answer my talk page & just disappear. It's either I leave the project or just leave Misplaced Pages altogether. There just seems to be this big anti spawn campaign where people don't let things go & I really don't want to deal with it right now. It's been a really hard year for me - deaths, sicknesses, my whole family split up effectively, job issues, and now this place seems to hate me. Don't try & console me, becuase I probably wont hear you right now, but that's just how I feel & I know it's more or less true. I just can't put up with the stress. Anyway, I'm sure I can live without human communication on here for a while... Spawn Man 12:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Territorial evolution of Canada

Thanks for the kind words. :) As the article states, yes, the Alaska dispute would be too small to show up, but I'll probably add some mention of it. As for Labrador, if I recall, I note that for the purpose of simplifying the map, I use Newfoundland's definition of "coasts of Labrador" instead of Quebec's. As I understand it, Quebec had no physical claim to the area anyway, which was shown when the border was set even further back than Quebec expected. I may think of something, though. --Golbez 12:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Katie

From henceforth, we have officially renamed the event. In that tradition, you should know what Petey is!!! Orangemarlin 19:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Holly

This may be outside of your current interest, but you should read this crap. I'm a big time pro-Gore, anti-destruction of the environment liberal, but I had to delete a statement (unsourced of course) that says the Holocene event was the largest of the six extinction events. I'm hard-pressed to consider Holly an actual extinction event, but maybe it fits the definition. So, do you want to help write about mastadons, and other mammalian species? Or are you more of a dino-dude? Orangemarlin 16:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Tyrannosaurus Rex Size

I am not adding nonsence the largest Tyrannosaurus found was 12.8 metres so if you potray as over 13 metres you are adding nonsence i hope you realise. Bamboozling Bert

Sigs

Cool sig! :) Firsfron of Ronchester 01:04, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Bored today, so I thought I would try it out!!! You need a little dino in your name or something, especially since I have no clue what a Firsfron is? Or where is Ronchester? LOL Anyways, thanks. OrangeMarlin 01:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:Linn berggren98.JPG listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Linn berggren98.JPG, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Ejfetters 08:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Moving up

Hehe, you're a big boy now! (Assuming the top 160 are all big... :P) Giggy _UP 01:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

FAC

Katie is getting ready to have her Bat mitzvah and become an adult. What do you think? I haven't gotten the peer-review that I wanted, but I did get a bot peer-review, and I made a number of changes. I also reviewed WP:MOS, and it appears to be there. I got rid of a lot of weasel words, cleaned up the language here and there, checked the references, and got her a new dress. OrangeMarlin 18:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Darren Tanke on Misplaced Pages

Firs,

I see you have created a page on me in Misplaced Pages. I would like to add more to it, but not entirely sure how. For Wiki, I would like to submit a list of my publications and other information; perhaps I can send it to you and you post it to my Wiki page. Let me know if you can/are willing to help. My email at home is: dtanke@hotmail.com.

Best,

Darren Tanke

taking anymore students?

Hi Firsfron, My wife, a former student of yours and now admin, suggested that I contact you. She's been pushing me for months to become an admin because she's tired of taking care of issues I identify. So I've decided to take the plunge and explore the possibility of becoming an Admin. I currently have close to 5000 edits and 40-50 new articles. I tend to drift around between AFD/GAR/DYK and writing new articles. It is the DYK that has lead me to decide to become an Admin. I'm very active in the Poker Project and somewhat active in the Scouting/Military projects. I have one article that made it to FA, a few GA, and 15 or so DYK. As an FYI, I should mention that we are going to a wedding this weekend and won't have much access to WP.Balloonman 04:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't know if you are watching my page, but I did respond there. Balloonman 04:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

AWB

I'm having trouble using AWB to correct spelling mistake, can you help me? OhanaUnited 09:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to correct spelling mistakes (by randomly finding articles using AWB). How can I do that? OhanaUnited 12:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You back?

Katie has become a pain in the butt. Need help :) OrangeMarlin 22:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CVU status

The Misplaced Pages:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F. Thank you. Delivered on behalf of user:xaosflux 01:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Admin help, again?

Codyfinke6 (contributions) has been making unhelpful edits to various television articles. For example, s/he continues to incorrectly edit WNYW to add the "What New Yorkers Watch", a newscast slogan no longer used by the station, as the meaning of the WNYW call letters. And, s/he also added a useless redirect to "Jennifer Lopez (meteorologist)" to the Weather Channel entry.

I have asked him/her to refrain from making unconstructive edits, and to no avail. Could you please intervene? Rollosmokes 02:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have clarified that WNYW rarely uses the "What New Yorkers Watch" slogan on-air these days, especially since the Fox News Channel-like rebranding. I can't really stand to watch their product, but I saw enough of it to know how its being used -- or more accurately, not being used. I did leave a comment for Codyfinke6 for verification, but s/he never responds to any messages.

Also, Codyfinke6 has been repeatedly and inaccurately alterating WABC-TV by adding the incorrect branding for its newscasts ("ABC 7 Eyewitness News" instead of the correct "Channel 7 Eyewitness News"). What he/she really needs to do is start commenting on their talk page. Rollosmokes 03:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Codyfinke6 continues to add the same incorrect information, and does not answer any comments on their talk page. I am tired of reverting the changes he/she is making. Please interviene. Rollosmokes 04:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving the message on Codyfinke6's talk page. But as I told you, he doesn't respond to messages. He readded the slogan again to WNYW in this edit (), and also readded the incorrect news branding at WABC-TV (). I reverted those changes in both articles for the umpteenth time. Rollosmokes 17:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking Codyfinke6, even if it's just for 24 hours. Hopefully he/she gets the message. But, me thinks Codyfinke6 is an alternate user name of another editor, Finkefamily (contribs), who has made very similar edits in the past (though none since early July) and also doesn't answer talk page responses. Rollosmokes 15:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

UPDATE: Codyfinke6 apparently did not get the message, because I've cleaned up his/her mess from WNYW again () and from KYW-TV (). He/she also tried again with WABC-TV (), but wisely changed it back. Rollosmokes 05:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

DuMont, again

Hey! It's me, Tritiefantastic! I've done a lot of updating to the Uncyclopedian DuMont article, and I just wanted to get your opinion of it. I'm going to run it for featured article soon. -155.42.196.19 04:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence! Remember: if you buy two delicious Powerhouse candy bars and send in the wrappers with a nickel, you too can be the proud owner of a Captain Video ring! -155.42.196.19 05:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Why did I get blocked?

I had not edited a single article or user page in around two months and nobody uses my account. I am sure of it!!!

AfD nomination of Tyrannosaurus in popular culture

An article that you have been involved in editing, Tyrannosaurus in popular culture, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tyrannosaurus in popular culture. Thank you. -- Jreferee 18:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Breaking my vow of silence:

Hi Firs! I think I've done pretty well staying under the radar recently - heck nobody even knew it was my second first edit day bar one guy! Mind you no one would have remembered anyway lol. ;) Anyway, I've still got a nagging feeling about that user User:Cuddly Panda. Firstly, I get blocked on site for any incivilty, however it ergs me that this user has been abusing the image and uploading system numerous times for a long while without even a single warning. After I came to you with this problem last time, I gave the user a comment about the uploading rules, which they ignored, and as I said I'd do, I placed a complaint on the admin's noticeboard. This went without any comments on it and nobody warned the user. Since then I've seen the user place at least one fair use image (without trying to look for more as I've got better things to do) on Tyrannosaurus in popular culture without fair use rationale (I've noted on the article's AfD that it needs rationale) so this indicates that the user has not responded to any of the messages I've left or the bot warnings. I'm coming to you not as a friend, but as a user who is citing another user for abuse of the system. A simple warning would make me happy, as the user has not recieved one despite my best efforts. And the noticeboard hasn't been useful either times I've managed to use it, so I thought I'd see if you could do something. People listen to admins. Cheers Firs. :) Spawn Man 05:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I also have a hunch that the user is also using a sockpuppet - I'd do it myself, but I don't know how, but is there a way we could check user User:Not an anon anymore? The user has the same user boxes, has been in contact with Cuddly Panda, has had the same problems formatting their signature, writes in similar articles and has a similar mannerism. I thought this might be enough to warrant doubt? And none of their edits overlap by the looks of things. Anyway, please get back to me. Cheers, :) Spawn Man 05:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk page after mainspace page got moved

Hello, thanks for your help on AWB. I have yet to try that as I'm quite busy both in real life (aka sleeping lol) and Misplaced Pages. Anyways, I came upon an article that its mainspace page got merged into another article but the talk page remains (take a look at Talk:African Wild Dog name controversy). What can I do to assess it? It looks stupid to assess it when it is now merged into another article. OhanaUnited —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 11:02, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

Wherefore art thou

Hey, are you alive? I think I've tuned up Katie, and want to push the FAC. Can you help? OrangeMarlin 02:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

You may not remember me, but I was coached by you as part of the admin coaching program. Because of the ban on Misplaced Pages in China, I suddenly couldn't access Misplaced Pages, and I apologise for my sudden disappearance. I hope to continue our Admin Coaching sometime soon.

Yours, ¿Exir?¡Kamalabadi! 10:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think we should wait until maybe the start of September. Before that, my home computer is not working, and my access to the web is sparing. I look forward to continuing admin coaching --¿Exir?¡Kamalabadi! 12:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your welcome.

Tovojolo 18:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Decategorisation of images

Hi there,

You recently decategorised this image, possibly among others. Is this a temporary move? Is there a more appropriate way to categorise images? I personally find it very useful to be able to find images via categories, so would prefer that the tag stayed.

Thanks,

Verisimilus T 13:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Given that AndroidMouse has decamped, the images aren't DinoSizedBot's only issues. I've been in discussions on the bot request page for a replacement. J. Spencer 13:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a separate category sounds like a good idea. I think I'll put in a bot request to move all images to an associated image category.

And thanks for the comment! But I'm afraid I'll have to decline the offer. I'm one of the very few Palæontologists who doesn't have the slightest interest in the beasts! The project's done some brilliant work though - I often wish a similarly dedicated and enthusiastic task force could be mustered to counter the lack of good articles about "interesting stuff", i.e. things that happened before it all got boring about 400 million years ago… Verisimilus T 17:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

The main issue is that DinoSizedBot appears to have been turned off (stopped updating the same time AM left). J. Spencer 20:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

KT Boundary

No way! I only happened to notice that the article was listed on FAC and chipped in with a f<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Lupin/navpop.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css&dontcountme=s">ew comments because it's a subject that I know a wee bit about. I was not expecting the level of vitriol, aggression and downright abuse that has come my way since....looking through my edits I'm genuinely not sure what exactly I did to deserve it, but I must have done something. Anyway, life is too short to put up with that sort of nonsense, I think I'll just leave it to others to edit that particular article. I have listed the situation on WP:AN/I in an effort to get someone to calm things down, but I don't think I'll be editing anything to do with the KTB in future. Thank you for your kind words however, and I do think the article is good - just not FA good, at least at present. Badgerpatrol 20:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again. Yes, I made a few changes. I'm almost afraid to open my mouth here, but here goes anyway...(in my opinion) there is still quite a lot to do. Those were mainly minor wording/stylistic changes that are easy to do (and of which there are many more, I only stopped because I was tired and needed to go to bed); the main work is a) expanding the "evidence" section to remove the parochial focus on North America and dinosaurs; b) expanding upon the issues of sea level change as an actual killing mechanism or as inducing a false pattern of extinction as a preservational artefact; c) going through the references and checking that they actually correspond to what is written in the text and haven't been misinterpreted; d) repeated minor fixes/stylistic changes; e) adding a few points and including a few more references (although in terms of number, I think the article is quite well referenced already). There may be other things that come to mind, but those are the major points that spring forward to me at present. To do that lot would take me at the very least a couple of weeks if not longer. To tell you the truth, I don't enjoy editing geology articles and if I hadn't been bullied into it I wouldn't be doing it, it's a lot of work. But given the circumstances I will obviously do what I can. Badgerpatrol 11:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• I apologise by the way for continuing the "debate" with Filll on your talk page - I certainly did not mean to use this page as a third-party battleground. Badgerpatrol 11:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, nil desperandum. It's obvious that a lot of effort has gone into the page and it is much improved. I'm a palaeontologist, but not a specialist on this particular subject. I don't have first-hand total recall of sources or facts - a (very rough) two week estimate is based around the fact that some time would have to be spent getting hold of papers and references and, given the problems with the dinoflagellate source, checking references to make sure they are quoted accurately. In reality the actual work involved is 2-4 days of reasonably solid editing, or two or more weeks of part-time editing, but I'm afraid I have a job and a life and I'm not going to spend 2-4 days solidly editing this article, which in truth I'm not really that interested in and which I only happened across by accident on FAC....however, now that the situation appears to have calmed down a bit, and having undertaken to help, I'll do what I can. Badgerpatrol 13:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Not dinosaurs, I'm afraid. I mostly work on marine microfossils. Badgerpatrol 13:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

And per this, I'm not going to be editing that particular page in future. It's just not worth the continual hassle. Thank you for your kind comments and conciliatory attitude, and good luck with the article and with getting it to FA status, which I'm confident will happen either this time or in the near future. Badgerpatrol 22:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

And again. In filing an RfC, the rules specifically stipulate that: Before requesting community comment, at least two editors must have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and tried but failed to resolve the problem. Because the attacks have kind of been flying in from all sides here, I'm not sure that this is the case this time (I would name Filll, Orangemarlin, and ConfuciusOrnis as the principal attackers, per WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, etc. I think this is a fair assessment and I'm no longer willing to let the matter slide and let the next good-faith editor who tries to help be bullied and abused in this way.) As an admin and a person more expert in these things than me, can you (if possible) advise if an RfC (which seems the most logical course and has been suggested on AN/I) is indeed possible, or otherwise advise as to the next step to take if it isn't? Badgerpatrol 23:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Badgerpatrol, I appreciate your vigilance regarding speaking out against the unbecoming practice of bullying and abusing other editors. Thanks for weighing in on the issue. Moulton 18:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Rollback request

Hey, I think I come upon 2 sockpuppets trying to advertise/promote Eastman Chemical Company (see history for details). I tried to revert all the edits but unnecessary due to conflict edits. I ask if you could rollback the page, thanks. OhanaUnited 02:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Siamo.jpg

Sorry I haven't replied for so long; I was on vacation. Anyway, I may or may not do another drawing of the Siamosaurus. I'm not sure if I'll get around to it... but I may upload some other dinosaur drawings of mine. I have a drawing of Patagosaurus that I could upload.Benosaurus 14:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hey

Thanks for the inquiry! All's good. I only just got my better laptop back today and am now busy moving things off my old, dying one (that has now done its final deeds ;) ) onto the LAN fileserver. Soon! SOON I will return to the online world in full glory! Mwahahaha-bark-bark-woof. Now... where did I leave Dulcie? *murmur-mutter* -pinkgothic 19:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Aenwyn? To be honest, after I didn't hear back from her after her visit to Hamburg, or got any responses to the eMails I sent in regards to 'Kater des Monats', I didn't think to bother her much. I took a hint. Really not entirely sure what rubbed her wrong, but I definitely got that impression. So I've left her be. A shame, really. She was such a lovely person. :´( Do you think I should eMail her and just ask, upfront, if I did something to piss her off? -pinkgothic 18:45, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Katie passed!

Thanks for helping out as much as you have. This is a frustrating process, but now with one down, let me try a second one after sufficient drinking has been accomplished. OrangeMarlin 12:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

E-Mail Alert

/aol voice/ You've..Got..Mail. - NeutralHomer 23:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Bummer. Yeah, I am using the "Email this user". I will resend it in a moment. - NeutralHomer 02:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Just sent :) Take Care....NeutralHomer 02:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Mmbabies 9/4 Vandalism

Can you see about protecting the redirects KRIV-TV and KFTH as part of the Houston semi-protect wall? He decided to use them last night to insert junk since he can't go into the articles themselves. Nate 10:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Got a Question for Ya...

What is the difference between ] and ]s, since it essentially gives you the same link. Just curious. Take Care and Enjoy Your Weekend....NeutralHomer 00:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Works for me :) I perfer the ] way, but I guess either/or work. Take Care and Enjoy Your Weekend...NeutralHomer 04:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Apostrophes

With regards to edit summaries like this, could you please consider using "apostrophe misuse" as opposed to "apostrophe abuse"? I'm sure 95% of editors wouldn't care, but for the 5% that would, removing a lone apostrophe with that edit summary could be construed as an unnecessary slight. Picaroon (t) 01:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Citizendium

Please don't stop with the feedback. You are most welcome to ask me anything. I can't speak for everyone, because there are those that seem to take all criticism as negative, but I personally think it is the only way to grow. I am old enough to know that nobody knows everything, and those who think they do probably stopped learning long before they were finished. That is not to say that it doesn't help when your intentions are obviously good, which your demeaner shows. Yes, Russell, has taken a break which probably means that the article may remain in that state for awhile... unless we get an expert in.. hint hint. -- Dēmatt (chat) 03:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Response

It hasn't upset me. It's up to you to make your own decisions as to what you consider to be reasonable or unreasonable behaviour and act accordingly. The danger of course lies in being dragged down to their level. Badgerpatrol 10:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

A little something you deserve!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For your dedication to correcting it's to its! •97198 talk 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Melt the clouds of sin and sadness, drive the dark of doubt away!

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Re: Barnstar!

Heh, thanks, my friend. That means a lot to me. And hey, if I didn't try to improve Stephen-related articles, I'd be letting down the Colbert Nation! -- Kicking222 14:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

10,000 Edits!

Thought you'd be pleased to know I've now amassed 10K Edits! I'm pretty proud; though it'll take me a while to catch up to you Firs. ;) See ya around (I haven't lately...) Regards, Spawn Man 02:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a life? LOL. Congrats!!!! OrangeMarlin 21:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, Spawny definitely has a life! Firsfron of Ronchester 22:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see you alive. So what's next on the list? Possibly Petey? I saw a Discovery Channel show on the Permian. Interesting. I hate insects, and I'm pretty certain I would have hated the Permian.OrangeMarlin 23:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Permian–Triassic extinction event

Petey is a major mess. It's further along than Katie was, but the major problem is poorly formatted references, some references that don't actually support the statements, some prose that is poorly written, and lack of detail. I'm wondering if Katie is a good "template" (not officially, but you know it is FA) for how we should write Petey? OrangeMarlin 01:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes indeedy (butting in here) - I'll use an FA as a template for further articles - if you have a look at the FA dino articles they all follow an order of headings and subheadings (well, mostly), and I've done that with other biology articles -see Common Raven and subsequent bird FAs...next on the agenda is Spawny doing Vampire and if that gets through then I'll do the same with Werewolf.....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I think some reorganization would be a good idea, but WP:DINO have always based our articles on a common template, as Cas says. I have the day off, so I intend to give this article a good going-over... after breakfast. Firsfron of Ronchester 17:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: My edits

You've also seen me at GAC and FAC. :) -- Kicking222 20:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I sent you an email yesterday, but I'm not sure if you got it, so I figured I'd throw out a heads-up. So... HEADS-UP! -- Kicking222 22:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, my friend. I like having my real name in there, but I think it's good to be able to see my SN for easy identification. You are so kind that I'm rewarding you with my first ever on-WP quasi-Japanese cat smile, which was taught to me by one of my best friends (who has lived in Japan). =^o^=

Isn't that thing adorable?! And now, as it's 3:30 AM, I am off to slumber. G'night! -- Mike (Kicking222) 07:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Ha, I'd never come close to violating WP:SIG. That's all I want in a sig, and I can't imagine needing any other wikilinks/colors/fonts/whatever in there (nor would I ever put in anything that was actually a violation, like a picture or an external link)- why bother? Nobody needs to know I favor typing in Century Gothic (which, for the record, I don't think I've ever used).

Also, good... afternoon? Sure! Good afternoon! -- Mike (Kicking222) 15:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

"Abuse"

Wikilinks across namespaces are discouraged in wikipedia. User space is user space is user space. `'Míkka 00:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Mikkalai

Please don't block people you are in an edit war with. I've unblocked Mikkalai for this reason. --Duk 01:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

PTEN & Rollosmokes

Hi, as an administrator and someone who contributed to the PTEN discussion that PTEN is a network. Rollosmokes reverted my restoration of WWOR-TV PTEN affiliation. Then Neutralhomer attacks me as a vandal and refuses to look at the previous discussion that was archived. Now Neturalhomer is making threats to have me banned for his failure to follow the discussion and proof of PTEN's network status. Spshu 15:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey Firs, I "followed" the discussion....and I seen no external (off Misplaced Pages) proof that PTEN was an actual television network (like CBS or NBC) and not just a syndicated program distributor. I reverted Spshu's changes to the WWOR-TV page and posted a Warn 1 warning on his talk page. He continued to state that he would revert changes (which would constitute vandalism) and I told him that if he did so, I would report him to AIV. If he would show external proof, a NY Times article, an old TV Guide (those are easy to find online) something...I would be convinced, but he hasn't and I am not. I stand by my statement that if he readds the information to the TV station pages I will report him to AIV. - NeutralHomer 15:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Which is what I told Spshu. When told that he would readd it as a network, not a syndication distributor, then that (in my opinion) would have been vandalism. If he had showed me something that said PTEN was a network (ouside of Misplaced Pages) I would have been convinced, but when even the Chris-Craft Industries page says PTEN "was planned to expand into the fifth television network but fizzled into a syndication brand" and he continues to push it as a full-blown network, then what am I supposed to do? Him calling myself and Rollosmokes also wasn't helping his case.

Regardless, if PTEN is a syndication distributor, then Spshu should not add it under "former affiliations" in the infobox. We don't classify CBS Television Distribution, Disney-ABC Domestic Television, or KingWorld as an affiliation, so PTEN shouldn't be listed as an affiliation. - NeutralHomer 17:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Legal threat mistake

No problemo. Just wanted to make sure you didn't get charged with something you didn't do. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 01:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Firstron?!

That's awesome- you could be the first Ron, or you could be the manaical robot Firs-Tron! -- Mike (Kicking222) 03:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

WGN-TV (again)

Once again, I have tried to correct longstanding problems at WGN-TV regarding punctuation, grammar, and redundancy. However, TV9 has continued to revert any and all changes back to his/her preferred version rather than acknowledge the corrections. TV9 has also used IP addresses "163.192.21.44" and "163.192.21.43" -- both of which are registered to the Tribune Company -- and "144.74.1.134" (registered to a Chicago hospital) to make similar edits to both mine, and others', work on the WGN-TV page. In the past, I have tried to reason with this user and it has been to no avail. TV9 and his/her sockpuppet IPs are clearly in WP:OWN and WP:POINT territory. Rollosmokes 07:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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