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Badminton

Have you spoken to the editor in question about his edits? I can take a look, but I know very little about badminton. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:10, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No, I haven't! So, now I will leave a message to him & will tell you regarding the consequences later.-NitinMlk (talk) 02:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Please do. You might also want to talk to the folks over at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Badminton; they can give you better guidance than I. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I will talk to both of them.-NitinMlk (talk) 02:28, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

BWF Continental Championships

According to your edit in Juliane Schenk page, Euro Championships are categorized as GPG instead of Continental Championships. If I remembered correctly, it is considered a CC which gives points equivalent to GPG level (same as others, with exception of Asia Champs which has SS point equivalent). If we make Euro Champs as GPG, I think it is rather pointless we created the color-coding for CC. I think we should leave the European Championships as CC instead of GPG. Griff88 (talk) 10:40, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Griff88, if all of the Continental Individual/Team Championships are graded by the BWF then you are right that 'Continental Championships' category is useless. But, at first glace, it seemed to me that few CC events aren't graded. And for those non-ranking CC events I added the category. If you are assured that every CC event since the introduction of the new ranking system (in 2007) is being graded by the BWF then we should remove the category. But we have to be assured about it.-NitinMlk (talk) 10:51, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

BWF color code

Hi, NitinMlk. I changed BWF tournament color code in Grand Prix level from #00FFFF to #9ae8e8 for better visibility. I think the former really strikes in the eye if located between tournament with darker colors. Griff88 (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Need advice regarding a disruptive editor

If you feel it is right, then make a bold move, by revert.

Yes, i believe so, it is successor of Jarmur (account), if you feel it is the need of action, then go through to WP:SPI.

Sorry, a bit late reply. --Aleenf1 06:51, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Aleen, thanks for the guidance! If he will persist with disruptive editing then, after warning him one more time, I will try to gather evidence against him for the WP:SPI.-NitinMlk (talk) 16:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

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I have created an article under the title Anita Sheoran with authentic citations. Later I found out a stub of the same wrestler with an incorrect title, namely Anita Tomar. As many a times Anita Sheoran's first name is mentioned in the news, the aforementioned stub can be retitled as Anita (wrestler) - to avoid confusion among readers. But I am unable to move the page from Anita Tomar to Anita (wrestler). So, I need help regarding this.-NitinMlk (talk) 08:22, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

So are you saying that Anita Tomar and Anita Sheron are the one and exact person? If so, the Anita Tomar article should not be a separate article if she is actually Anita Sheron. Please clarify before I continue. SwisterTwister talk 08:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

SwisterTwister, yes, they are the same person! Anita Sheoran won a gold medal at the 2010 CWG on the same day as that of Alka Tomar. And news articles flashed their names together in the headlines. So, some confused editor thought that Anita is sister of Alka Tomar. And created the article with the incorrect title. And that article has stayed till date. So, to clarify her name, I have added dozens of citations in the Anita Sheoran's article. The citations include her official Profile (as published by the IOA) & an interview of her parents.-NitinMlk (talk) 08:34, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

So just to be clear Anita Tomar does not exist and the article should be deleted now that you have corrected the linked articles-yes?Peter Rehse (talk) 12:03, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes.-NitinMlk (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Nice article by the way. I put a speedy tag on the old one - which may work (or not).Peter Rehse (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting me all the way! It was my first article & I completed it in haste. Hopefully my next article will be better than the 'Start-class'. :) - NitinMlk (talk) 12:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

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People from Punjab

The potential problem with removals such as this is that they may have been born at a time when Pakistan did not exist. In that case, they were indeed born in Punjab, India. I mean, strictly speaking, it would be Punjab, British India, but this just goes to demonstrate how messy the criteria for these lists can be.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone challenges that removal. - Sitush (talk) 13:32, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: I understand your point but the title of the article clearly states Punjab, India. It doesn't say British India's Punjab. So, it should only include the people born & raised in the present-day India's Punjab.-NitinMlk (talk) 13:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: I said that because Punjab, India is totally different from the erstwhile Punjab Province (British India). But if I got it wrong then please tell me. And I will delete my all the relevant edits on that page.-NitinMlk (talk) 13:47, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I am not saying you are wrong. I just think it may be challenged somewhere down the line. The same might apply to some names that I removed. At that point we would have to consider consensus, although it is blindingly obvious that a lot of the entries should not have been there because they existed entirely due to alleged ethnicity, not where people were actually from. - Sitush (talk) 15:15, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Ok, I won't make further edits on this page till we see their response. But if they want to include Pakistani Punjabis then they must alter the article's title.-NitinMlk (talk) 15:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why you should stop. - Sitush (talk) 16:02, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Ok, in the coming days, I will try to add birth-related citations on the listed people's main pages. Once that is done then there will be lesser chances of edit-warring. BTW, the one thing I don't like is edit-warring. But I think it's unavoidable.-NitinMlk (talk) 16:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

You don't have to engage in warring. You make a bold edit, someone reverts you, then take it to the talk page and sort it out there. Yes, there are times when it seems unavoidable, particularly if dealing with vandals or incompetents, but you'll only ever get so far that way in any event because of WP:3RR. - Sitush (talk) 16:23, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Ok. So, what do think regarding Pakistani Punjabis inclusion on that page. Should they be kept there? Or should only those be kept who were born in the area which is now under Indian Punjab.-NitinMlk (talk) 16:29, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I really don't know the answer to that because the entire purpose of the list is pretty vague. I think it probably needs to be raised on the talk page and perhaps also a link to that discussion could be posted at WT:INB so that uninvolved people can perhaps provide some thoughts. Any mention at WT:INB needs to be neutral, eg: "I've opened a discussion at regarding the scope of the list and perhaps also its title. Thoughts would be appreciated because Punjab, India can mean different things to different people and the region has had various boundaries over the years." - Sitush (talk) 16:44, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Seems like I will learn something useful even earlier than I thought.-NitinMlk (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: I am clueless regarding this all. So, who will actually open the talk?-NitinMlk (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

You can do it - don't be afraid. Just ask the question: what is the scope of this list etc? If you have strong views about what you think it should be then mention those also. I could do it for you but you'll only learn well if you have a go. I'll watch your back, so don't worry about upsetting people. Just remain calm. - Sitush (talk) 17:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: Ok. I will post it within few hours because now I have some other stuff to complete. And thanks for the guidance!-NitinMlk (talk) 17:04, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sitush: I've posted a query on the article's talk page & mentioned regarding it at the WT:INB. One thing which is very clear is that articles like this one won't disappear because if this one gets deleted then the very next day someone will post its messier version. And you will have to start the cleanup from the scratch. So, it's better to define it's meaning & scope clearly. And sort it out for once and all. After that happens, this article won't bother much.-NitinMlk (talk) 20:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Re: Delhi

Re your message: I made a mistake when trying to remove the spam. I think what happened is that I used to the article history diff to locate the spam, but then I started the edit using that old revision diff instead of starting the edit from the current revision. I wasn't aware that I started on the wrong spot, removed the spam, and failed to do a diff before I saved it. My mistake. I reverted my changed and removed the spam the correct way. Sorry about that. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Gogo Dodo: Thanks. Now I will sort out the 'Demographics' section. - NitinMlk (talk) 04:37, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry that you have to redo your edits to the Demographics section. Hopefully it isn't too much work. I didn't want to make a further mess of things my trying to merge your changes back into my spam removal and screw things up for a second time. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:41, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

@Gogo Dodo: It's no big deal. I will sort that out within few seconds. :) NitinMlk (talk) 04:44, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Great! =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:51, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Good evening, today I saw your message. Before canceling my edit on Krishna Poonia's birthday, I invite you to read the quoted sources. Both in the article and in the biography of the IAAF it is indicated that the year of its birth is 1982, as I rightly wrote. The year inserted in the page (1977) is wrong. Check it better before deleting the changes. --Mattew666 (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mattew666. I read the present revision's ref 1 (of CGF) which mentions the year of birth as 1977, but the ref 3 (of IAAF) mentions it as 1982. Actually, I was the one who added both of these references last year, as can be seen from my this & this edit. Ironically, last year I read the IAAF ref & changed the birth year from 1977 to 1982, as can be seen in this edit. But this year I read the CGF ref & changed it back to 1977, as can be seen in this edit. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:02, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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What you want why u are doing edits on page if u want to do edit then inbox me u r views Saksham ahi (talk) 08:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Saksham ahi, please stop adding original research, and read all of your talk page notices carefully. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Hounding

Since which time you have become interested in disrupting an article about an art gallery situated in the UK? Or this is an emerging pattern of your WP:WIKIHOUNDING? Accesscrawl (talk) 04:00, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Your revert was vandalistic in nature, but I am assuming good faith. Please see User talk:Accesscrawl#Vandalistic edit. - NitinMlk (talk) 04:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Read WP:NOTVAND and follow WP:BRD, though I would rather recommend you to stop this hounding all together. Accesscrawl (talk) 04:50, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Please stop your vandalistic reverts, and discuss at the article's talk page instead of commenting here. - NitinMlk (talk) 05:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Some notes

I understand what you were seeing at the SPI. That was a valid filing, and due to the evidence you brought, a checkuser was run.

In general, it is not a good idea to give notice to people of an SPI, as you did here. If they are found to be a sock, then they are found to be a sock. If they are not found to be socking, then they are not. All that the notice really does, is antagonize people and create drama. SPI is the one board, where we usually don't notify people.

Doing this was unwise, as has already been pointed out at ANI. Be very careful about calling things "vandalism" or even "vandalistic". This further antagonized things.

The edit war warning was fine in theory, but what has already started happening by now, is that your concern about Accesscrawk's promotional behavior, has gotten tangled up in a content dispute. This is very, very unwise. You should focus on dealing with the behavior or focus on dealing with the content. Trying to do both at the same almost always derails.

In the future if this sort of thing happens, please deal with one or the other. What I suggest you do now is disengage from dealing with Accesscrawl, and post at WP:COIN, making the same argument you made at SPI. Folks there are very used to dealing with promotional editing and sock/meat. I often post at both SPI and COIN, since the two boards deal with different things -- SPI for identifying socks, and COIN for dealing with the content and behavior issues other than socking. After you post there, people who patrol that board will also come look at the content, so that you don't have to (and don't feel that you to) deal with the content as well.

If you like please see User:Jytdog#How_I_try_to_help_manage_COI_in_WP and the rest of the stuff on my talk page about dealing with COI and paid editing.

Happy to discuss, after you have read that stuff. Jytdog (talk) 17:03, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog, firstly, this was the second SPI filed by me. In my first SPI, the scenario was such that the alleged sock was asked to comment. So, in the second case I thought it would be good idea to notify the involved parties, but it just brought personal attacks on me & other participants. So I guess not notifying them would be a good idea in the future.

Secondly, the use of "vandalistic" term was one of the worst thing I did in the present case, but I will keep that in mind in the future.

Thirdly, now I've completely realised that I shouldn't have tried to manage both the promotional behavior & the content. But now I've no option other than to comment at the ANI if someone misrepresent my edits.

Finally, I will read about the COI in the coming days. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don't quite agree with the advice regarding SPI from Jytdog. The SPI notice is there for a purpose, but you are asked to use your judgement as to whether notify people. The rule I follow is that if it seems likely to be settled by a CU check, there is no need to notify. If it looks like behavioural evidence needs to be considered, then it is better to notify them so that the editors can defend themselves. You would also need to consider your relationship with the editor. If there are already tensions, they are likely to be exacerbated with a notification or even from the fact that you filed an SPI. While writing the SPI case, it is useful to make it as impersonal as possible keeping mind that the result might come out as negative, and you would need to work with the editor again perhaps for a long time. It is all a balancing act and by no means easy. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Kautilya3 for your inputs. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

NitinMlk it is a misconception that it is useful to keep replying when people write bad stuff about you. You have to trust the community to see through that stuff; continually replying (especially at length) makes you start to look bad. If you observe enough of what goes on at ANI, you will see that first yourself. The most important thing is to pay mind to what people outside of the conflict (like Swarm) are saying, and respond to them. fwiw Jytdog (talk) 01:02, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Jytdog, thanks for the suggestion. I will keep these points in mind. But even without looking at COIN, I am sure that I won't file any complaint against anyone now, as it will surely get derailed right from the beginning. So I guess someone else will have to deal with it. Having said that, I will surely go through the links provided by you, and will use that knowledge in future in the appropriate cases. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I came by to leave a similar note. I don't have the time to analyse the SPI, but NitinMlk, you should be really careful about describing something as vandalism. Read up on WP:NOTVAND, if you would. Referring to something as vandalism when it isn't is sanctionable; even otherwise, it is something anyone you are in a dispute with will seize on and use to muddy the waters. Accesscrawl's edits were disruptive but not vandalism. Just keep that in mind. Vanamonde (talk) 19:46, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I will surely remember this during my future edits. In fact, I am someone who welcomes the new problematic editors with the relevant IP/user welcome templates, unlike many other users who create the IP/user talk pages with level 1 warnings. But I've just seen how things work at the ANI, and that too in my very first edits there. Anyway, thanks for the advice. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Edits on Khatri page

It seems like you are an administrator of the Khatri page. I want certain additions on the page, if you would please. I'm ready to provide all the details and evidences for the changes that I want. These changes include mention of various kingdoms that were ruled by Khatris. The claims that King Porus was a Khatri. The genealogy of Bedi and Sodhi clan in Bachchitar Natak, etc Sayanha7 (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Sayanha7. Firstly, no one is an administrator of the Khatri or any other Misplaced Pages article, i.e. you are free to edit that page. But before you do that, you must provide sources which meet WP:HISTRS. So please read that page carefully. If someone still delete your reliably sourced addition(s), then you should discuss regarding the same at the Talk:Khatri. Secondly, the Khatri article is summary of the most important details regarding the Khatri community. We cannot add all the details there. So you should add the details of the Khatri kingdoms on their respective Misplaced Pages articles. In case those kingdoms don't have Misplaced Pages articles, you can add the relevant details in the articles of their rulers. Thirdly, there is a tendency among Indian writers to claim that certain famous historical figures belonged to their caste or community. So, we need a scholarly source written by a non-Khatri regarding the caste of Porus. In fact, I guess there is hardly any known details regarding his early or personal life, let alone his caste. Fourthly, information is added at the appropriate pages, e.g. genealogical details covered in Bachittar Natak should be mentioned in that article. In fact, they are already covered on that page – see Bachittar Natak#Genealogy. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

TimesGerman

Hi, I see that you have had a run-in with TimesGerman during my absence. I'm pretty sure that I had similar issues with them a while back. Is it resolved now? - Sitush (talk) 20:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Sitush, they have been solely editing Chamar and a few other Chamar-related articles for the last 11 years – TimesGerman is their second account. But they still hardly understand any policy of this project. I tried to explain few things to them at their talk page, but I guess they are mainly interested in censoring the Chamar article.

They have removed the mention of untouchable from the Chamar & two other related articles with seemingly appropriate and inappropriate edit summaries (e.g. see here and here). They have also removed the details regarding the abusive usage of the term Chamar with an unclear edit summary, although they were sourced and relevant to the topic. I guess they either have CIR issues or they are doing the disruption knowingly. Anyway, I believe that the pejorative use of the term should be mentioned in the Chamar article, as I tried to explain to them at the talk page. I am not familiar with the context of usage of the term untouchable, but I guess you are knowledgeable about it.

TL;DR: This section needs some inputs, while the removal of the term untouchable from multiple articles – , , & – needs a look. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the update. I'll see what I can do. - Sitush (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You are welcome sir.

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Re: Manohar Joshi

Hi NitinMlk,

That edit is indeed my first one. The information I removed had no citations and was irrelevant. I added information from RS sources to give coherence and strength to the page. I apologise for not realising that I must add a summary as well. I shall keep it in mind from next time on. Thank you. PadmashreeGhangale (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Your help desk question

You didn't get a response to this question. Is the IP's behavior still a problem? I'm not sure how bad it has to be for WP:AIV. But I don't think the IP will respond if the IP doesn't want to.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:21, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Vchimpanzee, a dynamic IP user was changing the height of the subject with a problematic source, and was edit-warring over it from 20 March onward. They weren't discussing the issue, and there was no way to keep track of them due to their dynamic IP. They only stopped when the page got protected on 29 March. This month they returned with the same intent. So I thought they would again edit war without discussing the issue, but surprisingly they stopped edit warring either due to this message or due to some other reason. In short, the issue seems to be resolved now. BTW, thanks for looking into the matter. - NitinMlk (talk) 22:39, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:17, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about accidentally using rollback on your edit to Randeep Surjewala. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:58, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

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Kalsi

Shut da fcuk up kalsi are chamar useless straight forward website fcuking fix up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.231.147 (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for your claim. - NitinMlk (talk) 01:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

About Chamar page

Hey NitinMlk, a user NitiMalk (similar to your username) doing disruptive editing to Chamar page. Please see the page history. --Ashok Talk 18:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

AshokChakra, yes, this impersonator is following me to different articles, along with making disruption at them. There is an impersonator of Sitush as well: Silush. And these two accounts seem to be created for causing disruption at Chamar article. BTW, thanks for fixing the article. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Verify what you are doing

Please carefully verify your edits at chamar. You are deleting a lot sourced text and references with your careless undos. If you want to add text, then the proper method is to discuss in the Talk page and then add back to main article after getting consensus with other editors. You are engaging in edit war. Please be a respectful wiki author and work with others. NitiMalk (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Note that they are a sock of TimesGerman: see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/TimesGerman/Archive. And I obviously didn't delete "a lot sourced text and references" with "careless undos". - NitinMlk (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Title description of the Ahir page.

Sir, can you please change title description of Ahir page, which describes them as dravidian which sounds totally bogus , it should be kept to an Indian community until further consensus is reached on them, while there is more of proof of them being Indo-Aryan as shown by various DNA tests and Ahirs don't even live in southern dravidian states of India, I have mentioned sources on Ahir talk page. Anjali125 (talk) 16:11, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Mohyal

Please check before undone the changes in Mohyal i am adding cition and verifying sources in next days — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandit9087108 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Lakhmichand

never edit or write fake history for your propoganda he was brahmin by birth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandit9087108 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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Ustad Ghulam Mohammed Khan

Hi NitinMlk. Thanks for your contributions to WP. Can you help us at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ustad Ghulam Mohammed Khan. We are trying to establish his notability and if you can provide some references preferably in Urdu language then it will be very helpful. Thanks. Störm (talk) 12:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Störm. There is no way I can find Urdu sources, as I cannot read/write Urdu. Having said that, being a native speaker of Hindi, I can understand spoken Urdu. And I guess the reverse is true in your case. Anyway, I will search about him in a day or two. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Störm, it got closed before I even started to look for sources today: I should've looked for sources yesterday, but I am extremely lazy by nature. BTW, it has received just passing mentions in reliable sources, which can be summed up in one line: he taught sarangi to his grandson & Noor Jehan; according to a columnist of Daily Jang, he was "one of the best sarangi players of his time". As Pakistani newspaper archives are even worse than that of Indian counterparts, I suspect it will be very hard to find any other reliably sourced info about him. But let's see how it pans out. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

NitinMlk, Thanks for your effort. I previously suspected that you understand the Urdu language because of your interest in Ehsan Sehgal. Anyway, thanks again. Störm (talk) 17:41, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Störm, as you can see at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ehsan Sehgal (3nd nomination), I clearly mentioned even then that I can't read Urdu. So, I will only discuss their reliability & comprehensiveness, but Urdu-speaking participants are invited to translate & summarize their content at the article's talk page. BTW, I noticed that article at one of my watch-listed talk page or noticeborad when the dispute between the two groups was going all over the place. As both of those groups behaved badly, I guess we should leave it at that. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:54, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:In_the_news/Candidates#Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:In_the_news/Candidates#Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests. DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 10:57, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, NitinMlk!

NitinMlk,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
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   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Thank you. NitinMlk (talk) 18:08, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

On changes in Onam Festival

on Onam Happy New Year! ᗙ DBigXrayᗙ 14:47, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I have split the section into 2 and added a header "Onam as a secular festival" since your comment was more on this and less on the topic of Vamana. Hope you would agree. --Happy New Year! ᗙ DBigXrayᗙ 11:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I am glad that you agreed. Thanks for joining the thread. --Happy New Year! ᗙ DBigXrayᗙ 14:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray, I remember that you once pinged me via edit summary at the talk page of WP:INB. How did you do that? - NitinMlk (talk) 14:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

By adding it in a specific format e.g. ] in the edit summary. see Help:Notifications#Alerts and Mediawiki help. It is done when you didnt mention the name in the comment and yet you want to person to get alerted. --Happy New Year! ᗙ DBigXrayᗙ 15:01, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! - NitinMlk (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Violation of policies of this encyclopedia

Hello, I saw your comments at Jat people page. I am looking into everything that you said. Definitely, I will able to find better sources that say Jat people live in considerable numbers in Balochistan (for the region to find a place in that sentence).

It seems that you have a good knowledge of the policies of this encyclopedia. So, can I ask why they are being violated so clearly in broad daylight and editors are doing nothing about that? Please read the content here, and do the needful to preserve the quality of this encyclopedia. Can anyone who has a Misplaced Pages account add anything they like, however they like, without even properly reading what the author has written. Anyone with a basic knowledge of English can see that the sentence in section for Varna Status is saying what the author did not say. Varnas are only four, only and only four: Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra. No more, no less. And, that section is for varnas. But, the author has used the words "appears to be" "kept in the condition", which means she has not exactly said what is being said in her name on that article. Thanks, 188.170.173.90 (talk) 08:22, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Most of the South Asian articles are full of unsourced content, misrepresentations, original research, etc. But you should create an account. Otherwise, there is no way to keep track of your comments. BTW, I will look at the comments posted by you in the coming days. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Gentleman, the readers of the encyclopedia are being fed incorrect information at Jat people page about demographics. No editor has said a single word in objection to the data highlighted by you at Talk:Jat people#Jat population in India (as it's sourced from scholarly sources). The readers must not loose faith in the encyclopedia. Kindly correct the figures in the demographics section. Again, thanks for the detailed statistics. Thanks- 188.170.198.66 (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Regarding mirroring reports at WP:RSN

I am not sure what you think we can do about "X mirroring WP" over at RSN.Slatersteven (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Slatersteven, we can judge them accordingly in case of multiple claims about a topic. BTW, I was suggested to report them at WP:RSN by an experienced editor (Mathglot). - NitinMlk (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Slatersteven, I'm assuming that anyone mirroring WP is ipso facto unreliable, per WP:WINARS. I'll comment over there. Mathglot (talk) 21:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

A message for you!

Hello! I am writing to you, here, because I had to say this only to you (a personal message), not to the other editors. I wish to say that it is ok by my side to wait for you to respond at Talk:Jat people. The time you would take doesn't matter so much to me, as even if you edit sporadically, you provide valuable information and bring quality-content. I hope to see you there, soon! Please know that even if you would be there tomorrow, or after a gap of another few days, or even a full week, I will be there. Thank you for the time being given by you for the improvement of that article, 188.170.195.76 (talk) 15:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Urgent

Sir! Please Whatsapp me on my number. Wellwisherrz (talk) 12:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wellwisherrz. The subject does not meet WP:GNG/WP:SINGER. So there is no point in repeatedly creating the draft. It has already been deleted five times. And someone will WP:SALT it if you will try to create it again. Also, please do not make any more WP:SOCKs. Pinging the concerned admin: Kinu. - NitinMlk (talk) 11:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Hem Chandra Vikramaditya

Hemu

You say on above page that caste of Hem Chandra is an settled issue and you have said "I have seen scholarly sources which mention him almost an outcaste". Really? Please mention some such sources. You are only ridiculing a great Brahmin warrior, which is shocking. 103.82.80.241 (talk) 04:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

First, I mentioned in the edit summary that this section already mentions that "modern historians differ on his family's ancestral home and caste" instead of saying that "caste of Hem Chandra is an settled issue". In fact, various caste claims are already listed in the article's note no. 10.

Second, as far as the almost an outcaste bit was concerned, it was based on a latest scholarly source, authored by Professor André Wink. Here is the relevant quote:

• Wink, André (2009). Akbar. Makers of the Muslim World. Oneworld Publications. p. 18. ISBN 978-1851686056.

Not all Hindu opposition to Akbar originated among the ancient Rajput nobility. The decisive showdown of the regency years was with Hemu, a Hindu general of the Afghans who was apparently of quite modest, almost “outcaste” background, and who had entered Delhi to set himself up as an independent ruler under the Hindu title of Raja Vikramaditya.

And here are a couple of scholarly sources which mention him as Bania or Vaishya:

• Kolff, Dirk H. A. (1990). Naukar, Rajput and Sepoy: The ethnohistory of the military labour market in Hindustan, 1450–1850. Cambridge University Press. pp. 163–164. ISBN 978-0521381321.

It is true that Hemu himself was a Baniya entrepreneur. But his commanders were probably not. When Adil Shah lavishly rewarded him for his services, Hemu reminded him that ‘the swords and bravery of these soldiers’ were the means to accomplish the king’s fortune.

• Richards, John F. (1993). The Mughal Empire. The New Cambridge History of India: The Mughals and their Contemporaries. Vol. 5. Cambridge University Press. p. 13. ISBN 978-0521251198.

Hemu, a Hindu Vaisya or member of a literate, mercantile caste, who had risen from humble circumstances to be a general for the Sur regime, claimed royal status by employing the ancient Sanskrit title of Raja Vikramaditya.

So, there are multiple, conflicting claims about the caste/varna of the "great Brahmin warrior", and most of them are already listed at Hemu. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

• The three citations given by you are contradictory to each other. Aren't they? Can't say which one of them is scholarly. Merely writing one word about a person, without giving details of his father, mother, community, place of birth, place of activity etc. cannot justify his caste. If you want serious discussions, I can give more citations. But I wonder if it will make any difference. There are several citations on talk page already. In Govt records of Haryana, GOI, Rajya Sabha TV documentary on YouTube, Coronation day picture that is also available on the Hemu page, where he is mentioned as Bhargava, a Bhruguvanshi and Brahmin. Please revisit the discussion page also to decide on new addition. 103.82.80.241 (talk) 14:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

These three scholarly sources are among the highest quality sources available about his caste/varna. And YouTube, government sites, statues, etc. are not considered reliable sources for history-related details on this project. As I have already mentioned, note no. 10 of the article have multiple caste/varna claims. And a claim related to Bharagava Brahmins is already mentioned there. Anyway, if you have a scholarly source for some new/different claim, then feel free to list that at Talk:Hemu. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding content

Hi. I saw your removal from my edit. May know the reason for deleting my edit. Technology1987 (talk) 00:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Technology1987, I posted a relevant message on your talk page right after reverting your edit. But I guess you didn't bother to read that post. Anyway, the person you are trying to promote is not notable. So stop trying to add his details at Sumit or at any other main space page: see WP:NOTDIR. BTW, it seems User:Sumitpandit1987 – which was created around one day earlier than your account – is your account. If so, then also see WP:SOCK. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources

Hi, can you tell me what types of sources do you need to add in the notable person list.?? Technology1987 (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Technology1987, the (sur)name articles (e.g. Sumit) only list notable people, i.e. those who meet WP:GNG/WP:BIO. So, there should be in-depth coverage of the subject in mainstream newspapers, books, magazines, journals, etc. that are independent of him. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

illustration

Hello! Kindly help me with this — Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Biography#Uploading policy – question. You may reply here also, if you wish. According to Sam-2727, that article is just one step away from being considered for WP:GA. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 21:20, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

See User talk: Diannaa#Query regarding upload of a file. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

In Jat people page

(while others assign Vaishya or Shudra varna to them) Delete these sentences.

=Varna Status Pasword wiki (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

This is not some social media site and the inclusion/removal of any content is not based on personal preferences here. Please also read my latest comment on your talk page. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I have pinged you at WP:ANI re a discussion on another editor

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Fiddle Faddle 09:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Timtrent, it seems the issue has been dealt with already. As a general advice, while templating editors who repeatedly add unsourced caste details, it would be better to use templates like Uw-biog, Uw-disruptive, Uw-unsourced, etc. instead of using Uw-vandalism, as their disruptive edits generally come under WP:VANDNOT. BTW, keep it up! - NitinMlk (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

NitinMlk, Thanks for the template suggestions. I seem to rememebr doing the same thing before I went away for a few years wiklibreak Fiddle Faddle 21:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Seeing as the IP who opened the thread didn't do so...

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is REGARDING CONTINUOS VANDALISM OF BIOGRAPHY ARTICLES BY USER NAMED "NitinMlk" TO PROMOTE HIS OWN PARTICULAR CASTE. (I'm not an involved party, I should make clear - just dropping you the note because the IP who opened the discussion didn't do so.) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:33, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Editors – JSTOR

Hello! You have cited "A Sikh Village" by Indera Paul Singh in Jat people (section — varna status). I viewed the same article on JSTOR and cited (ref #2 at the moment) it in his biographical article as well, but I could not find the information about the editors, while you have cited the reference with editors. I am still learning things, and if you could kindly guide me here about what am I missing and where to look for the information on editors, I would be grateful )) Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 19:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I have one more question. I have filled up the "Notable works" parameter in the infobox of Indera Paul Singh and Stephen Fuchs, but I have referenced the claims differently (kindly have a look), and I request you to guide me — which way is the right one? Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Help - page regarding Battle of maonda and mandholi

I have studied the topic , and tried to present an unbiased view , citing sources such as - history of the jats , Kalikaranjan qanungo who has cited judanath sarkar and various other people in his book . However a non registered acvount is editing out the info repetatedly , and inserting biased and glorifying one-sided info . Could you suggest what should be done . Meethamonkey (talk) 07:23, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Meethamonkey, I will look at it in the coming days, as I am a bit busy now in my real life. - NitinMlk (talk) 14:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

NitinMlk 👍, thnx . Meethamonkey (talk) 16:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Content regarding racist views of Richard Nixon for indian , was removed .

Declassified documents from the Richard Nixon Presidential Library show that Nixon held deeply racist views for the Indian people and sexual hatred for Indian Women as revealed by author Gary J. Bass. Describing Indian women as "undoubtedly" the most unattractive women in the world. Also describing Indian people as the most "sexless" and "nothing" people in the world . At one point comparing indian people with "African blacks " , stating that atleast they have an "animallike charm" but the Indians were "ack, pathetic" .

I had inserted this in the legacy section but it was removed . Could you have a look maybe ? Meethamonkey (talk) 06:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

If you do take a look , also see the talk page for that article , the user that has removed it says that this was not an important theme in Nixon's career . Meethamonkey (talk) 06:42, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Meethamonkey, I am neither knowledgeable about politics nor generally edit politics-related articles. So I cannot help you much in this regard. I can see that you are discussing the matter at Talk:Richard Nixon, which is a good thing. BTW, you can also post a relevant query at WT:INB. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

References

1. ^ Bass, Gary J. (2020-09-03). "Opinion | The Terrible Cost of Presidential Racism". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2020-09-05.

Ok . Thanks 👍 . Meethamonkey (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hello sir/mam Who are you..?? What is talkback..?? Can u explain..?? Aku76667 (talk) 05:14, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

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Why are you jealous of Saini people??

Why you have removed all these people who even mentions saini surname in their official names? Can you tell me where Sunny deol or dharmendra deol mentioned they are jaats , can you show where are the appropriate references? Stop being jealous of Sainis !!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.49.117.66 (talk • contribs)

Do you know user Anshsaini0304? Anyway, I have explained all these points to them already: see User talk:Anshsaini0304#Unsourced Saini claims and BLP violations. You can also read that section. The removed entries were unsourced and/or WP:BLP violations. I don't know how the two persons mentioned by you are related to the list of Saini people, but both of them have self-identified as Jat. Actually, Dharmendra has self-identified as Jat many times, e.g see , , , , , etc. Sunny Deol has also self-identified multiple times, e.g. here (in the fourth slide) he states that "I am a Jat, so it came naturally." Similarly, there are other sources like this one and this one.

Note that there are many other unsourced caste lists and I will try to fix them as well. But it will take some time. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@NitinMlk I am new to wikipedia, so I am currently learning about it. My mentor doesn't helps me in anything. Can I change my mentor from him to you? Also I want to ask that many Saini People uses saini as their last name, then what is the need of giving references. I have added Madan Lal Saini who even uses saini in his last name and still you removed him. Why? Navdeep Saini, Baljeet Saini, Saini sisters, Ashbeer saini etc. all uses saini as their last name, then why you removed them?

Soni pabla is a saini, Check here even Pabla is a large saini clan that you can see here There are a lot of pabla clan villages in punjab too.

Please don't do this, I request you. Add all the saini persons anshsaini (talk) 03:57, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Banga is a saini clan. Even there is a wikipedia page of banga sainis

Why you removed Ajay banga, Harindarpal Banga etc. from the List of Saini people page? If you didn't know about something, then its better to stay out of it!! Stop being jealous of sainis.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.49.117.66 (talk • contribs)

Banga Sainis was created by an WP:SPA around 9 years ago and no one has yet cited a reliable source in it. I have done some research, but couldn't find anything about this supposed Saini clan. In fact, the only reliable source that I could find about this surname mentions that it is a North Indian surname found among Hindu Kayasthas. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Check here all the saini clans, Banga, pabla, banwait, kaloti, keer, sahnan etc are major saini clans. anshsaini (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

References

1. Hanks, Patrick; Coates, Richard; McClure, Peter (2016). Hanks, Patrick; et al. (eds.). The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland (1st ed.). Oxford University Press. p. 135. ISBN 978-0-19-967776-4. Indian (northern states): Hindu (Kayasth), based on the name of a subgroup of the Kayasth community.

A request for main Saini article

Hello Nitinmlk, No I don't know that user but I want to tell you that in the main article of Saini, there is a paragraph in the starting as "This article is about the Saini (Mali) community of Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Chandigarh and Delhi. For the Mali community who were not recorded as Saini prior to 1937, see Mali caste and Rajput Mali. For the Bhagrathi or Gola community of Western Uttar Pradesh, see Bhagirathi Mali. Not to be confused with Siani or Sinai."

But that is incorrect because here you can see Mali is written in brackets with Saini but sainis and malis have no historical linkage with each, Just the thing is rajput malis of Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh and South Haryana started to use Saini surname after 1937 , more appropriately we can say they just adopted the Saini surname. Sainis are descendants of Shurasena and Rajput malis are a distinctive ethnic group from Marwar, Rajasthan as well as a separate sub-category within the Rajput. (You can check it on their wikipedia page too)

I request you to remove the Mali word with saini.

Personally speaking I am a pure/authentic hindu saini from delhi and our gotras/clans are Bhuteral, Bharal, Nakul, Kacchal/kuchhal, Sandal, Bawal, Bansal , Ranal etc. while you can see the gotras of these malis using saini surnames are Dahiya,Solanki,Gehlot, Kachwaha, Rathore, Sankhla etc. which are similar to rajputs or some are similar to jats because they are a rajput group. I request you read their wikipedia page Rajput Mali, they just later on adopted our surname but have no historical linkage with us. Ashok gehlot (CM of Rajasthan) is a Rajput mali.

One more thing is that all the authentic Hindu Saini clans have 'L' in the ending as you can see above. Original hindu sainis do not have more than 20 clans but these malis have a lot. Even authentic Hindu sainis do not have that much population they are originally from Punjab division of british era which is now Delhi, Haryana mainly kurukshetra (Not in south haryana), Chandigarh, Punjab, Himachal pradesh, Jammu and kashmir, Ganganagar(Punjab border) district of Rajasthan only, rest other districts of Rajasthan comprises malis not sainis. It's just like defamation of Sainis and it is very unfair to us, People are thinking sainis are malis and it is so disheartening, Malis are stealing our identities. Please remove the Mali word from the main Saini article, it is creating misunderstanding among others. Check on this wikipedia page Mali caste, it is mentioned that these malis adopted the surname Saini during the 1930s when India was under British colonial rule

Also you can read here that Since 1931 the surname Saini is also used by Mali groups of Rajasthan and some other states. These however are different from the Sainis that are found in Punjab and have no marital links with them. Here is the true information about sainis

Please we have proud history, we are not malis. I internally got irritated when I read somewhere these kinds of things even having a proud history.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4050:e3e:fad1:4d8a:688:5522:7242 (talk • contribs)

References

1. Aggarwal, Partap C (1966). "Problems of Cultural Integration A Muslim Sub-Caste of North India". Economic and Political Weekly. 1 (4): 159–161. JSTOR 4356925. ...the Malis (ie gardners who call themselves Saini now)..
2. "At the time of 1941 Census most of them got registered themselves as Saini (Sainik Kshatriya) Malis." pp 7, Census of India, 1961, Volume 14, Issue 5 , Office of the Registrar General, India.
3. https://www.sikhcastes.com/sikh-caste-names/saini-sikh-subcastes
4. https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Saini#Inam-holding_Saini_feudals_during_British_era

Why not saying anything now?

Why you are not replying to the replies about saini sections?? where are you now? Don't be oversmart, if you want a debate then do it properly or else contact me on call/instagram, So that we can clear our confusions about sources and all. It seems you are unable to get my point in the answers brother.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.49.116.72 (talk • contribs)

I will read the previous section in a day or two, although it seems mostly unsourced. Note that you have to provide modern scholarly/academic sources if you want to add some history/caste-related details on this project – see WP:HISTRS for more details. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Can you talk with me on whatsapp? It's so much important for 50 Lakhs people(Sainis) of North India because they are suffering from defamation because of other 2-4 crore people (Malis) as they have stolen their identity. Mali is an occupational caste, they just started using our surname in 1937 but there is no historical linkage in both the castes whereas we Sainis are the descendants of Shurasena and we are even mentioned in Mahabharata, I can show you all the evidences but please try to understand us.

Please provide me your contact number or instagram id. anshsaini (talk) 05:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Check your email

anshsaini (talk) 05:42, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Anshsaini0304, I will try to find some scholarly sources about Sainis in the coming days, although it seems there isn't much coverage about them in high-quality sources. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Thought you'd be interested

Just started this on ANI - Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#New user gaming ECP to edit on Indian caste related articles. Pretty sure they are a sock of someone, but the account is a month+ old and it's not worth figuring out who, hopefully they'll be topic-banned at least. Ravensfire (talk) 03:07, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Ravensfire, looking at their edits, it seems they are a sock of Mufasa19995. - NitinMlk (talk) 23:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

I guess I should have a shocked reaction, but sadly, that's been burned out a long time ago. Left a note on the ANI thread about it, it's stale with the last edit over 90 days, but maybe they'll be foolish enough to start editing again now that they've been blocked. And did you see their unblock request on the Sharma666 account? Good for a laugh! Ravensfire (talk) 00:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Caste in BLPs

Two questions. 1. What about Virender Sehwag, Barry Barish etc.? 2. Why is it OK to mention caste after death? Thanks. Malaiya (talk) 21:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Malaiya, Sehwag has already self-identified with the caste, e.g. see here. If there is a BLP violation at any other page, you can remove that or use that BLP's talk page to get clarification. And WP:BLP only applies to the living people, so there's no issue of BLP violation after the person's death. Having said that, it also applies to the recently dead people. So we normally wait for some months before introducing these types of details. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your response about Virender Sehwag.

Personally I see problems with the self-identification rule. I know that the rule has been formulated and promoted by Sitush, who is quite influential. A person does not belong to a caste just because he claims to be one. Roberto de Nobili called himself a Brahmin, he wasn't. A person is born in a caste/tribe, and the test of belonging to a case is the recognition by others in the caste. There have been people claiming to be Dalit, even though they were not.

A person cannot change his caste, although he can give up social interaction or can be excommunicated.

I am curious. Has Jayant Chaudhary self-identified with his caste? I need no proof, knowing his grandfather.

Caste is considered to be a personal matter, and it is often considered to improper for one to declare his caste, unless there is context for it. The rule aside, I am curious about what you think. Thanks.Malaiya (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

I think first of all in India every one has rights to choose any religion and for caste government support inter-caste linkage to avoid castism ,and but caste is a personal identity to identify him as their one, their are lot false claim can be made from another castes to gain fame from some famous personality and If a particular celebrity introduce himself to particular caste and that caste did not raise any issue that claim then why you creating a Misplaced Pages as terrible and disputable place . Ror84here (talk) 03:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

In Articles and news if one person identifies him to be someone and some caste has no issue on that then why wikipedia asks him for clarification I think it harming the sentiments of person and his caste socially . Misplaced Pages needs to improve this policy as It seems against persons Liberty. Ror84here (talk) 03:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Nitin ji, I thank you for your responses. Let me mention that I have seen several rules crafted and enforced by Sitush. I see them as successful attempts to impose censorship so that specific views (specifically that of Susan Bayly) prevail. Malaiya (talk) 02:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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I am familiar with these sanctions for years. In fact, around two months ago, I mentioned these sanctions at an ANI discussion involving you – see here. Anyway, thanks for the post. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Gurbachan Singh Salaria

Hi Nitin, This is shameful to read. My name is Ankur Salaria I am from Pathankot (city under which our village falls and this great warriors too) he was elder to my dad. Our families migrated from sakargarh during partition and settled In and around pathankot and Jammu. We were completely unaware of this. I have reached back to our family and friends and we will try to find this news editor who have brought Shame to such a great warrior. I’ll try to get references. You guys live by news articles but in Pathankot he doesn’t need any references. - Anks07 (talk) 03:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Anks07. Please take your time and come back when you can find a reliable source. But blanking the sourced content is not acceptable. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 03:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok I’ll try and could you also please tell me what are and accepted as reliable sources?? Anks07 (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Anks07, mainstream newspapers or scholarly books/journals, etc. will be fine. Many retired army officers also write books about the Indian army. So they will also serve our purpose. - NitinMlk (talk) 03:29, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

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I closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sikandra by moving it to Desecration of Akbar's tomb. Since you provided a relatively deep analysis of sources at the AFD, you are likely the best person to add that information to the article. -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 15:47, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Patar knight, thanks. I almost forgot about that Afd. Currently, I don't have access to some of the stuff cited by me there. So I will improve/rewrite the article after getting access to it this weekend. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Basedch, as of now, you are an WP:SPA, which is a bad idea. My advice for you is to stay away from Indian history/caste-related articles for a few months. And leaving behind reverting obvious vandalism on those articles, you should focus entirely on other areas of this project. That will help you in learning about editing without getting blocked. Note that you will be blocked if you are using WP:SOCKS. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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OK. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, could you have a look at these changes. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, I have started a discussion at Talk:Rewari. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:01, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Great. Thanks - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for replying and for all the past revision deletions. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:39, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Nitin, if you have time, have a look at List of Brahmins, List of Rajputs and List of Jats. I've seen some sock work by POV pushers, especially in the first one. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, the list of Jats is mostly fixed and doesn't seem to have any BLP violation, although a few of its entries need to be fixed, as they were disrupted by SPAs/socks. But the lists of Brahmins and Rajputs have a lot of BLP violations and fake refs due to free-for-all editing for a long time. I will try to fix these lists this weekend. Meanwhile, if you get some free time, you can remove some of the obvious BLP violations added by Brohman54 and No2WesternImperialism. BTW, someone created a list of Bhumihars which also have many BLP violations and unsourced entries. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:05, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe there would be plenty of Bhumihar entries here, making the other one just redundant. List of Brahmins has been bloated in the last few months by this guy, a sock. Me and Kashmir nerfed this, another one targeted by the sock. ECP is required in these articles. There are a lot of new entries, I believe I'll be able to check these in next month, i'll be a bit less busy then. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Sitush, can you please spare some time for fixing these lists? - NitinMlk (talk) 20:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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hey men can you help me for including forgotten warrior jatwan who believed to be jat origin under List of Jats

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Have a look

Have a look at this and this. Lots of junk added by YatR2 and IPs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I will check it tomorrow, as there is a reliable source cited in it, although most of the content seems unreliable. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, I am unable to spend much time on WP as of now, but my cursory search about Rastogis in reliable sources shows the expected results, i.e. they are a mercantile caste. This reliable source for surname-related details mentions the same thing (on page 166): Rastogi (135) Indian (northern and central states): Hindu (Bania) name of unknown origin and meaning. Anyway, I will try to do a thorough search about Rastogis on Sunday.

Regarding the source cited in the Rastogi article, it is a genetics paper and, as mentioned by Sitush , they are unreliable for Caste-related details, let alone fringe theories about ancient/medieval Indian history. But Sitush seems on a Wikibreak. So maybe we can wait until he responds.

Note that the genetics paper in question was published in 1975. Its authors then co-authored an anthropometric Study in 1982. According to that one, "Rastogi is a general appellation applied to the score of people, who have been primarily engaged in the business of money-lending as their traditional occupation." It also mentions that there are three Varna claims about them, unlike their older genetics paper which claimed two Varna claims. Had these sources been reliable for caste/history-related details, we would've cited their most recent paper. But in the present case, both of them are unreliable. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Them being a mercantile caste is what I was aware, this Rajput thing is new to me. The whole lead seems OR. Maybe we can wait till Sitush comes back, but if you make changes to them articles, do ping me. I'll watchlist them. Meanwhile, I've to take care of few other stuff this week. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk, it's obvious that the Rastogi page requires WP:TNT, but let's wait for a week for Sitush's response. If possible, please remind me about this article on the upcoming Friday. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:24, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Sure. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:35, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

References

1. Bayly, C. A. (1988). Rulers, Townsmen and Bazaars: North Indian Society in the Age of British Expansion, 1770–1870. Cambridge University Press. p. 480. ISBN 978-0-521-31054-3. Rastogi: Hindu mercantile caste

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