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Bloody Sunday

Orchastrattor, per WP:INTDAB intentional links to disambiguation pages always go through an article title that contains '(disambiguation)', even if that is a redirect. This lets editors and readers know that the link is intentional and not a mistake that needs to be fixed. I don't know what "It. lit." is or what it meant by "piping is fine for other disambigs", as this clearly goes against MOS. Also, why does the unpiped version look uglier when they have the same text? Leschnei (talk) 12:34, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear, MOS:DABREDIR states that "Redirecting may be appropriate when linking to another disambiguation page" and I meant that having the "redirected from example" at the top of such a small page makes it look really cluttered. Also INTDAB you shortcut specifically states that this rule only applies to mainspace articles so given the fact that we're talking about a "see also" section on a disambig I do not believe my solution directly violates any WP guidelines. Sorry for any confusion.

I see that you've further edited Bloody Sunday, but for the record, disambiguation pages are in mainspace (WP:MAINSPACE), and one of the examples listed at WP:INTDAB is specifically about disambiguation pages. MOS:DABSEEALSO also states that disambiguation links on a DAB page should go through '(disambiguation)'. Leschnei (talk) 12:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hello @Valjean: Thank you for your message but I do not see how my additions to the lead were unreflective of the article body, and I would be more than happy to provide the necessary sources to justify my edits given that they consisted of:

1. A minor grammatical change from "favor" to "find merit in", which means essentially the same thing but helps better position polygenism as a fringe theory in a modern scientific context to reflect the following;

2. Added mention of how Darwinian monogenism relates the Out of Africa hypothesis, with the conflict between polygenism and the Theory of Evolution presented in my edit being corroborated almost verbatim by the opening and closing paragraphs of Polygenism#Effect of evolutionary ideas and debates from the 1860s. Again I would be more than happy to re-cite the sources necessary for this in the lead itself, but I do not see why such an issue could not have been handled via a template and a user ping in place of assuming bad faith on my part.

3. Rewritten a sentence discussing racial inequality, changed to white supremacy instead. I would be willing to widen the scope to racial supremacy to avoid editorializing however I still feel that the original was confusing and inaccurate in its phrasing, as "advancing inequality" is something you would say of a social policy rather than a theoretical model; it can be used to justify certain actions but it doesn't make any sense to say it advances those actions itself (particularly given that the link in question lead to social inequality as a sociological reality rather than an ideological theory).

4. Specified the actual relation between racial supremacy and polygenism to give context for the above. I apologize if this specifically wasn't reflective of the body but my understanding of the relationship in question came from reading the articles serpent seed and Pre-Adamite, so it wouldn't have been that difficult to simply copy the citations over if I was made aware of the need for it.

5. Added a short explanation of the differences between Biblical polygenism, Co-Adamism, and Scientific polygenism (with all of the terms and definitions in question taken almost directly from the article body). Even if the specific way I framed the differences in question isn't to your satisfaction (something I would be happy to discuss further on assumption of good faith) the information itself is still crucial to include in one form or another given how much of the article body is spent distinguishing and discussing these differing theories.

6. Bolded a term effectively synonymous with the article title, which I hope to be fairly self-explanatory per MOS:BOLDSYN. Orchastrattor (talk) 22:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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User:Ppt91 All three of the top Earwig results appear to be false alarms. The Tate bio is attributed to WP and is the only one out of the three featuring text from after I began contributing to the article in February, however the other two match exceedingly closely to the 15th of February revision just before my first edit. The Hellenica World page goes as far as to lift the captions for different images without displaying the images themselves ("The Circle of the Rue Royale, a scene in Paris seen from the balcony of the Hôtel de Coislin overlooking the Place de la Concorde." and "Portrait of James Tissot by Edgar Degas, c.1866-67"). I went though the page history and Hellenica seems to be primarily drawing from around Around 10th of April 2015, when most of the body text started to get nailed down to what it was in the February 2023 version but still had some considerable changes left to be made, though there are a few other matches such as 30th October 2019 when someone in "Early life" changed "Catholic" to "Catholic christian" only to have it reverted an edit later, while the Harbor Creek page seems to be drawn from some point after 28th of January 2019, when someone awkwardly crowbarred in a very specific spiel about Partie Carree into a widely unrelated paragraph. Orchastrattor (talk) 22:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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Reba McEntire

In your edit at Reba McEntire, you removed the explanation of what "Reba's Ranch House" is, with the edit summary Why was this here? I would propose that the material was there to explain the nature of the charitable work that McEntire is doing at "Reba's Ranch House". That seems a logical bit of content for the article. Can I ask why you thought it needed to be removed? WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 16:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

It's an unsourced piece of information violating WP:BLP and was written in a promotional tone violating WP:SOAPBOX, alongside a very poorly-written comparison to an unrelated (and un-linked) organization. If it is to be included it must have a reliable source that is either paraphrased in an encyclopedic tone or qualified as coming from a specific, potentially biased source. Thank you. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't really think it's promotional to state the nature of the work that McEntire's charity performs. It is merely informative. And the comparison to Ronald McDonald House is given for context: people generally understand the nature of service that RMH provides, and this sentence merely presented "Reba's Ranch House" as a similar service. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 16:43, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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I've restored a neutral version of the description, with proper citations. WikiDan61_ReadMe!! 17:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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Priddis?

See Morgan's article 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Copy the citation over then. Orchastrattor (talk) 05:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Look here - I followed convention. https://en.wikipedia.org/Lists_of_Canadians#Politicians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 05:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

That is a list of people who are Canadian, not people who are form a specific place. Place of birth or residence requires direct citations per the Misplaced Pages policy on biography of living persons. Orchastrattor (talk) 05:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Excuse me, but you seem unfamiliar with convention. See List of people from Toronto. Are you inclined to delete all the names in that list? Of course not. Same at List of people from Montreal. So please respect convention here as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Please sign your comments using four tildes, like so: ~~~~

That article includes sources, they simply aren't included in inline references, as noted by the large maintenance tag at the top of the page. Orchastrattor (talk) 06:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

The vast, overwhelming majority have sources only at the target page. Same as here. Are you about to as a result delete the vast majority that do not have sources on the page in question? Of course not. Dozens of editors who put those names there would all be visiting this page - saying what are you doing? Just as I am. Also, look at all the pages like List of people from Kingston, Ontario - which don't even have such a reference atop the page. Same at List of people from London, Ontario. Are you going to delete that entire page? And all the pages that look like that? If you are going to delete here, go ahead and delete the hundreds of thousands at all the other Canadian city pages. Otherwise, you are cherry picking, unfairly, for no good reason. Kindly self-revert. If you want to put the same reference atop the page, feel free. Though that may well be considered odd. But nobody deletes - that's not convention at all. Even on "people who are from a specific place." Look for yourself. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If they don't have sources they should be tagged as such, just because one page isn't fully verified doesn't mean others should remain unverified as well. That is a complete violation of one of the Five Pillars of Misplaced Pages. Orchastrattor (talk) 06:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Go crazy. You have lots of tagging to do. You can start with the thousands of such entries on the Canadian location articles. The vast majority - as you can very well see - of the entries only have a ref at the target page. Go ahead. But don't delete them here. Unless you plan to delete all the others. Which of course you should not do. But feel free to restore and tag or leave a note atop the page. Though it's obviously silly. The reason convention is what you can see is because that is what is acceptable editing at the Project. What's not acceptable is deleting the entry, as you did, when you can very well see the ref at the target page. As is the case with the vast, vast majority of the pages I pointed you to. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:27, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If I see an unregistered user adding unsourced BLP who then defends it by claiming universal convention across the website when they do not even know conventions as basic as signing comments then it's pretty natural for that to take precedence. Have a good day. Orchastrattor (talk) 06:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

If that is your reason - really, that I missed signing one of my messages? - that's not reason to delete. Because of all the reasons I point to above, I am reverting you. Feel free to tag if you wish. But do not revert. That would be against all the hundreds of entries I pointed you to above. And I did not "claim" - I provided you with the evidence. Also, please go gently with IPs - they have the same rights to add text as I have done here as you do. You are not supposed to treat them as second class citizens. Especially when they have been kind enough to point out to you that your misunderstanding (this is how we do it with locales) is .. just that. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:516B:14A:BA7C:ACAA (talk) 06:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)r

All four articles are now tagged with a lack of sources, one even includes a dedicated BLP warning. Plenty of other lists have individual citations for each entry, fixing them just isn't considered as important as mainline articles. Orchastrattor (talk) 17:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Why I reverted your tagging

No matter what you think of the article as a whole, any edit with a comment like "this article is ass" is going to be regarded as vandalism. What possible response did you expect from that edit summary? Orange Mike | Talk 02:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

It's a common expression and a simple, efficient way to communicate the obvious lack of quality in the writing of the article, how was my edit disruptive in any way? Orchastrattor (talk) 05:01, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Please be more careful

This edit both had a completely misleading edit summary, & was a clear breach of WP:ENGVAR. Not good. Happy Christmas! Johnbod (talk) 09:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

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Yeah sorry I always forget once in a while.

Though if it gets published it will have to replace the redirect and its history, is there a way to append the current page's history to the history of the draft, since I'm essentially working with what would have been in mainspace anyway if it hadn't gotten redirect-merged? Orchastrattor (talk) 02:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

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Can you explain what you were trying to do here? MartinPoulter (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I was putting the years active into the lead sentence? Are talking to the correct editor? Orchastrattor (talk) 18:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Apologies! I was indeed looking at the wrong edit. Thanks for your improvement to the article. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:19, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Each edit was accompanied by an extensive discussion on the talk page or DRN, failure to engage with community discussion does not make any opposing edits a case of edit warring. If you care about this topic so much, maybe go actually defend it on the RFC instead of abusing templates you clearly have no idea how to use, thank you. Orchastrattor (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Please stop edit-warring at Anime ☆SuperNinja2☆ TALK! 19:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

What indication do you have that I was planning on reverting "indefinitely"? We were having a constructive discussion through the edit summaries, I only did two reverts on assumption of a good-faith mistake on part of an inexperienced editor. If they had continued I was just going to ping them on the RFC and continue the discussion there. Orchastrattor (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

You should look over WP:POINT as well, there is absolutely no reason to template a regular you're already actively conversing with in another thread apart from wanting to feel big after how you completely failed to achieve anything of note with the RFC. Orchastrattor (talk) 01:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm new to Misplaced Pages and i dont know if this is the right place to report about edit warring. So i was editing something on this article called "light skin" by adding some factual information which is based on my extensive research and I also provide factual sources and links confirming it. This account named Biosaurt keeps reverting my edits and this seems like an "edit war" to me. and he thinks my sources are "subjective" or "sockpuppet/vandalism account" even though i provided links.

I never vandalized just added some additional info.

I kindly need help with this issue please. Rainbluetiful (talk) 12:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, most disputes like this are handled by experienced users called administrators. If you believe the user has violated the three-revert rule or a related guidelines you can report it at WP:AN3 for an admin to look over the incident, thank you. Orchastrattor (talk) 14:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll try doing that. But if I do I'm worried that the user Biosaurt will know about it, he is also quite hostile to me. Rainbluetiful (talk) 15:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

you will be required to notify other involved users when submitting to a noticeboard, but at that point the administrators will be involved so if they choose to continue to be disruptive it will just harm their case further. Orchastrattor (talk) 15:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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It was a deliberate removal of sourced content by an ip followed immediately by multiple personal attacks, while ignoring the warning I placed on their page in good faith. How does this not fall under the "obvious vandalism" provision of the EW guideline? Orchastrattor (talk) 16:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Content disagreements are not WP:VANDALISM. --jpgordon 19:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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@Jpgordon: The definition of vandalism includes the "removal of encyclopedic content without any regard to neutral point of view, verifiability and no original research", if they had a problem with the content would they not have been contesting the actual prose of the article where the claim is made instead of the imagebox? Orchastrattor (talk) 20:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm assuming good faith and guessing there may be a reading problem here. WP:VANDALISM defines vandalism as "the malicious removal of encyclopedic content" (emphasis mine), which rather changes what you quoted there. --jpgordon 22:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

They were removing sourced information because they disagreed with it, without reference to any sort of discussion-admissable policy or guideline, how would you define that if not "intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose"? Orchastrattor (talk) 22:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

That's called a content dispute. --jpgordon 06:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

This is also inconsistent with my previous experiences with how these guidelines are to be applied; Just last year I was closely involved with this dispute on Canadian values where both me and Moxy were free to continue reverting an ip with impunity due to their failure to have any meaningful engagement with the attached resolution attempts on the talk page, how was this any different? Orchastrattor (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

You can't just make a change, edit war it back in without explanation even though multiple people clearly disagree (), and then call everyone who disagrees with you a vandal. You were blocked for violating 3RR, a rule which you are clearly aware of. You have also not made a single edit on the article's talk page. —Ingenuity (t • c) 20:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I didn't change anything, the flag was part of the imagebox for a long time before I ever even knew the page existed. All I did was help keep up the NPOV version other editors were already maintaining on assumption of consensus and then port in the already existing references from the body text to the caption. This ip is the only person across the article's history I've ever accused of bad faith because they were the only one to try and change the text after I added the references. That's also why I took the issue to their talk page rather than the article's own talk, I didn't escalate to AIV until they failed to respond to my warnings. None of the people opposed the inclusion gave any real reason to remove either, all they did was either accuse the article of antisemitism or appeal to WP:TRUTH so there's not much I could have done to discuss it apart from assuming ignorance to an exceptional degree. Orchastrattor (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I also changed a different part of the caption to make it even clearer that the article wasn't taking any sort of stance on the issue, contesting whether or not Israel qualifies as herrenvolk was something I was fully prepared to assume good faith for but contesting whether or not they were "proposed as an example" of one when the references for said proposal are right there is just unreasonable. Orchastrattor (talk) 21:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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@Zxcvbnm: Hello, looking over the subject again I found this fairly in-depth bit of independent coverage, I wanted to ask if any of the sources already present met the same standard for the new source to then push the article past GNG. The other thing I wanted to bring up though is that while I was aware of NCORP I was actually evaluating the subject moreso off of WP:NCREATIVE, all of the RS effectively credit or co-credit the group's works directly to "Lost in Cult" as a whole, would it not be more accurate to evaluate them as a collective of creative professionals? Lock-On actually seems to pass GNG all by itself and their other works have a fair amount of indie coverage as well, would that not count for "co-creating a significant or well-known collective body of work The primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews"? Orchastrattor (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Um, how is it SIGCOV of the company exactly? It appears to be an article on stylized games. The articles have to be more than just a trivial mention, and all of them so far appear to be trivial mentions or primary sources.

This wouldn't be bad for an article on Lock-On magazine itself, but still insufficient on its own. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and NCREATIVE does NOT involve groups or companies. It's only for single individuals. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

There's some extensive material on LiC way down towards the bottom, though its unclear if there's a COI or not.

Specific N criteria aren't meant to be exhaustive, I'd argue there is already a precedent for collective notability with how WP:NMUSIC lists "musicians" and "ensembles" as beholden to effectively identical criteria, I think it makes sense to have a similar amount of flexibility for creatives in general. In fact I think there's already a case of this for authors and writers with the duo of James S. A. Corey getting their own page independent of the two individual authors involved, they don't have much significant coverage in the sources they just seem to have inherited it as a collective from coverage of The Expanse.

I think WP:PAGEDECIDE could ultimately speak in favor of the draft here, even if all of their works could pass GNG it would just be trading in one higher-quality article for two or three lower-quality articles. They would only present the same info already present in the draft as is so having all of them under a single bibliography here is better for the encyclopedia overall. Orchastrattor (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: respond to the above, please. Orchastrattor (talk) 01:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

What part of this is a creative ensemble? It's a company plain and simple. A company without notability is advertising. Given that nearly every new company attempts to gain a Misplaced Pages presence notable or not, veteran editors are very familiar with such situations. And NCORP is more discerning than other guidelines. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: As I said, all of the sources credit the work they write and publish directly to Lost in Cult as they would to an established author or artist, some occasionally highlight a member or guest but for the majority of cases its just treated as an indie writers' collective without further distinctions. NCREATIVE is also well within the purview of BLP, NCORP does not cover any potential soapboxing NCREATIVE is not also already concerned with. Orchastrattor (talk) 02:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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According to the author's website, yes. I've added a citation for it under "Writing". Orchastrattor (talk) 03:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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