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** ]. It's relevant to ] and ]: public figures are suitable targets for reportage, and a portrait photo of a public figure is afforded less protecton. ] 22:20, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC) ** ]. It's relevant to ] and ]: public figures are suitable targets for reportage, and a portrait photo of a public figure is afforded less protecton. ] 22:20, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
*** Reportage is somewhat different than copying. See below for the rest of my concern. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC) *** Reportage is somewhat different than copying. See below for the rest of my concern. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)
⚫ **** Fair Use is not limited to the Internet. Currently Tuff-Cat and others scan music albums and have posted them here at Misplaced Pages. Similarly, there are many other book covers here. ] 21:52, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)

⚫ *****I think it's definitely in a gray area for fair use. What other people do is no justification. It would be better to get permission. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)
⚫ Mr. Quinlan does not know what he is talking about and obviously has not read the Fair use provisions and writings of User: Alex, the '''only''' lawyer here unless Mr. Quinlan wishes to provide his Bar certifications too. Fair Use is not limited to the Internet. Currently Tuff-Cat and others scan music albums and have posted them here at Misplaced Pages. Similarly, there are manmy other book covers here. Don't wasate peoples time with wild guesses and unfounded assumptions. ] 21:52, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)

⚫ : This plus calling me a "smart-ass" on my talk page is very immature behavior on your part. I'm prohibited from having an opinion that disagrees with you or ]? I think it's definitely in a gray area for fair use. What other people do is no justification. It would be better to get permission. I don't think your attacks help improve Misplaced Pages either, quite the opposite. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)


* Nightcrawler also posted ] (linked off of ], stating that the photo is fair use because it is on a whole bunch of websites. Is that a valid reason? * Nightcrawler also posted ] (linked off of ], stating that the photo is fair use because it is on a whole bunch of websites. Is that a valid reason?
** Nope! I got a speeding ticket while driving with traffic. Do you think the cop cared? ] 07:59, Oct 20, 2003 (UTC) ** Nope! Just because an image has been illegally copied many times (this is the internet we're talking about) does not render it okay to copy. ] 07:59, Oct 20, 2003 (UTC)
** ]. It's relevant to ] - effect is reduced if there are many other copies. ] 22:18, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC) ** ]. It's relevant to ] - effect is reduced if there are many other copies. ] 22:18, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
*** I realize that, but I'm concerned about ]. These are original photographs by professional photographers. I'm also concerned about ] since these are very short articles. ] is also a concern, even with the multiple copies running around, if Misplaced Pages could be construed as competing with other places where these photographs are used (for example, a biography). Maybe it's okay, but it seems like a very gray area to me and I think it would have been better (and perhaps continues to be a better option) to get permission. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC) *** I realize that, but I'm concerned about ]. These are original photographs by professional photographers. I'm also concerned about ] since these are very short articles. ] is also a concern, even with the multiple copies running around, if Misplaced Pages could be construed as competing with other places where these photographs are used (for example, a biography). Maybe it's okay, but it seems like a very gray area to me and I think it would have been better (and perhaps continues to be a better option) to get permission. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)


More brillance from Daniel Quinlan! Please provide proof of your legal certifications as Alex has. If not, stop making smart remarks about things you know nothing about. ] 21:52, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)


==October 21==
: I don't need legal certifications to offer my opinion. Just as you don't need much provocation at all before attacking people in a very immature manner. It was listed on votes for deletion, so I voted and offered my opinion. You're allowed to disagree with me, even if you're not a lawyer. ] 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)


⚫ *]. Copied from the main page of the company's website at . ] 02:02, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)
:: My point was not that you don't have a right to vote, it was that before you make assertions, and they were assertions, you should have obtained the facts and the facts were here for you to read. Simple as that, Mr. Quinlan. Doing what you did makes people question anything you might say in any article and, I note that the Margaret Sinclair Trudeau article had serious factual errors but you did not fix them, instead, all you did was erroneously attack my insertion of a photo. Thank you. ] 02:40, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)


*] - presumed copyvio (bottom of page states: Source: Institute of Transpersonal Psychology Website ] - however that webpage has no info on license of text) ] via edit summary to the page.] Has been blanked and now says "see Ken Wilbur", which would be an inappropriate redirect. ] 08:46, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)
::: See above for the a more complete version of why I feel that permission should have been obtained. I had obtained the facts before posting and I am quite familiar with ] though my work in several open source non-profit organizations. Your work on the article is quite appreciated (and it looks like an excellent article), but it is not relevant to the discussion at hand. Further, I never "attacked" ''you'', only questioned the image. You have, however, not hesitated to attack me personally. Have you read what you've been writing? Perhaps my use of the speeding ticket analogy was difficult to understand and I should have made it easier to understand, but my point was that just because an image has been illegally copied many times (this is the internet we're talking about) does not render it okay to copy. ] 03:08, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)

As a second point: When I post an image it contains the links or infomation. Stop wasting people's time with discussions that have been clearly defined in great detail. If you are concerned about Fair Use, read it, ask Alex, and look at ] or ] or hundreds like it. ] 22:02, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)

⚫ *]. Copied from the main page of the company's website at . ] 02:02, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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Notes and issues outstanding

Please note that articles from http://www.conigliofamily.com are not copyvios. These pages are licensed under the GFDL and they are being submitted the person who owns the site.

Sept 12: Image:Somalia mappa.jpg deleted but see also uploaded others to be checked (listed by andy 11:25, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC))

Sept 29th: Stjepan Mesic. Talk page says "Page was on free source, not protected by copyright". Needs to be checked. Angela

Check for further possible copyvios.

List of possible copyright violations

Images awaiting deletion

For some reason images can not be deleted at the moment. The following have been listed for over a week and await deletion: image:Statua_Romana_Milano_001.jpg, image:Sant'Arderico_Milano.jpg, image:San_Francesco_Milano.jpg, image:San_Carlo_Borromeo_Milano.jpg, image:Oldrado_Da_Trasseno_Milano.jpg, image:Napoleone_I_Milano.jpg, image:Monumento_Cinque_Giornate_Milano.jpg, image:Monumento_a_Mazzini_Milano.jpg, image:Il_Grande_Toscano_Milano.jpg, image:Grande_Scultura_Mirò_Milano.jpg, image:Fontana_di_Piermarini_Milano.jpg, image:Dromaius_novaehollandiae_uovo.jpg, image:Disco_di_Pomodoro_Milano.jpg, image:Decimo_Magno_Ausonio_Milano.jpg, image:Costantino_imperatore_Milano.jpg, image:Casuarius_casuarius_uovo.jpg,

image:Alessandro_Manzoni_Milano.jpg, image:Cat_espl.jpg, image:congress.jpg, image:palacio_planalto_mini.jpg, Image:Strait of gibraltar.jpg, Image:HumpbackWhaleLeaping.jpg, Image:Star WR124.jpg, Image:Star WR124 small.jpg, Image:Colliding supernovae.png, Image:Colliding supernovae small.png. Image:Marseilles.jpg, Image:Arc de Triomphe.jpg, Image:Sartre2.jpg, Image:NikiLaudaFI.jpg, Image:AyrtonSennaFI.jpg, Image:JuanManuelFangio.jpg, Image:AlbertoAscariFI.jpg, Image:BobbyHull.jpg, Image:JosephFourier.jpg, Image:GeorgiusSinger.jpg, Image:JamesNorrisTrophy.jpg, Image:ConnSmytheTrophy.jpg, Image:ArtRossTrophy.jpg, Image:VezinaTrophy.jpg, Image:EmilArtin.jpg, Image:SteffiGrafftennis.JPG, Image:DonBudgeTennis.jpg, Image:DavidAhenakew.jpg, Image:MargaretCourt.jpg, Image:MaureenConnolly.JPG, Image:Philipjohnson.jpg, Image:M87 blackhole hubble.jpg, Image:Ayutthaya.jpg, Image:Natalie_portman.jpg, Image:Chaak.jpg, Image:Vanessa carlton.jpg, Image:Martov_2.jpg


October 11

  • Mashantucket Pequot from Rmhermen 00:30, Oct 11, 2003
    • It was clearly stated by the originating poster of that Wiki entry that the information came from the indian tribe's non-commercial/non-copyrighted website. Please do not remove this website and restore the original text. - Anon
    • The site makes no mention of being public domain. I will e-mail them to check. Angela 06:14, Oct 13, 2003 (UTC)



October 14

  • Pió del Pilar is copied from http://www.makati.gov.ph/contents/history/piodelpilar.php. What is the Philippine government's policy on Fair Use from their websites? RickK 01:25, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • User:El Caudillo is claiming he has permission for this so I have removed the copyvio notice, but it should probably be checked. Angela 02:00, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)
    • Permission does not include the release to GFDL. Is the originator aware of what giving permission to us involves? Has El Caudillo posted any proof? Do we just take his/her word for it? RickK 03:30, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • We still haven't gotten any response as to whether or not this page has been released to GFDL. If we don't get a response by the 21st, shouldn't we delete the page? RickK 01:49, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • It wouldn't seem unreasonable to do that. If El Caudillo comes back with proof at some later date, it is undeletable. I will leave another message for him on the 21st explaining this if he does not respond by then. Angela 02:04, Oct 17, 2003 (UTC)
  • Deutsche Orientgesellschaft - babelfish-auto-nonsense translation of a copyrighted page. I guess this still counts as a copyvio, but at least it is not a valid article. andy 12:14, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • The Seeing-Stone. Article starts "please take note of the copyright information on this particular summary (AKA back of the following book: Arthur: The Seeing Stone Book One: Kevin Crossley-Holland, author of The Ugly Duckling". Angela 22:06, Oct 14, 2003 (UTC)

October 15

  • South Lebanon Army - almost certainly a copyvio but I can't find the source on google. - SimonP 02:22, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)


  • Roton from . A cached page, but the original is only offline because of a provider problem. Just because they aren't on line doesn't mean we can copy them. DJ Clayworth 18:38, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 16

October 17

October 18

  • Image:Mellophone large.jpg. Request for use permission unanswered after many months, so it's a copyvio. Bdesham (according to his edit summary in the deletion log on attempting to delete the image).


October 19

  • Indian copyright law from Racism, Intelligence and the Working Class (4th Edition, February 1995) published by the PROGRESSIVE LABOR PARTY, as listed on the page itself. RickK 05:20, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • The Sound of Silence - complete song lyrics, which are copyrighted. andy 16:41, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • They couldn't even get the title right. It's "The Sounds of Silence". RickK 01:17, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
      • According to Sounds of Silence the one with "s" is the album title, while the song had only two "s". andy 09:29, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 20

  • Paradisemoon.com. Copied from , as well as being little more than an ad for the website. RickK 02:40, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)

October 21


from images for deletion

  • The picture of Margaret Sinclair Trudeau, Image:Margaret Trudeau.jpg - Nightcrawler uploaded it and states that "photo scanned from Book cover. Used in Misplaced Pages under "Fair Use" provisions of a public personality.". Is that a valid "fair use" provision? I wouldn't think so. What do you guys think? Xamian 04:21, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • It's not part of the fair use guideline. Not at all. It's not hard to get permission and we need to pay attention to the law. It needs to be removed. Daniel Quinlan 07:59, Oct 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • IANAL. It's relevant to fair use#Purpose_and_character and fair use#Nature_of_the_work: public figures are suitable targets for reportage, and a portrait photo of a public figure is afforded less protecton. Martin 22:20, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
      • Reportage is somewhat different than copying. See below for the rest of my concern. Daniel Quinlan 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)
        • Fair Use is not limited to the Internet. Currently Tuff-Cat and others scan music albums and have posted them here at Misplaced Pages. Similarly, there are many other book covers here. NightCrawler 21:52, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
          • I think it's definitely in a gray area for fair use. What other people do is no justification. It would be better to get permission. Daniel Quinlan 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)
  • Nightcrawler also posted Image:JeffreyD.jpg (linked off of Jeffrey Dahmer, stating that the photo is fair use because it is on a whole bunch of websites. Is that a valid reason?
    • Nope! Just because an image has been illegally copied many times (this is the internet we're talking about) does not render it okay to copy. Daniel Quinlan 07:59, Oct 20, 2003 (UTC)
    • IANAL. It's relevant to fair use#Effect_upon_work's_value - effect is reduced if there are many other copies. Martin 22:18, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)
      • I realize that, but I'm concerned about fair use#Nature of the work. These are original photographs by professional photographers. I'm also concerned about fair use#Amount and substantiality since these are very short articles. fair use#Effect upon work's value is also a concern, even with the multiple copies running around, if Misplaced Pages could be construed as competing with other places where these photographs are used (for example, a biography). Maybe it's okay, but it seems like a very gray area to me and I think it would have been better (and perhaps continues to be a better option) to get permission. Daniel Quinlan 02:32, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)


October 21

  • Swire Group. Copied from the main page of the company's website at . RickK 02:02, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Transpersonal psychology - presumed copyvio (bottom of page states: Source: Institute of Transpersonal Psychology Website ] - however that webpage has no info on license of text) ] via edit summary to the page.] Has been blanked and now says "see Ken Wilbur", which would be an inappropriate redirect. Angela 08:46, Oct 21, 2003 (UTC)