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This article appears to be a translation from French. Some clean up seems to be needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.177.151.180 (talk) 03:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Armand and christian anarchism

Armand, as the article shows, in his early conversion to anarchism, did adhere to tolstoyan christian anarchism. Nevertheless later he abandoned christianity and embraced individualist anarchism alongside atheism and participated in the strongly anticlerical, atheist and freethought individualist anarchist circles in France. I have a book of his in spanish in which he rejects and criticizes religion strongly. For this reason i think we should not put the category: christian anarchism for him.--Eduen (talk) 02:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

These lines extracted from that previously mentioned text, present the basic view on religion that Armand had and read as follows:

"En resumen, los reformadores religiosos tienen: a) Como ideal humano, el creyente, a quien se educa en la fe, que le sirve de freno para que jamás traspase ciertos límites y no ose gustar el fruto del árbol del bien y del mal, pues siendo un timorato rehuirá encontrarse de frente con un hecho que atente contra esa virtud indemostrable. b) Como ideal supremo, Dios, entidad ficticia, científicamente indemostrable y producción imaginativa. c) Como ideal social, el reino de Dios sobre la tierra, compuesto de sacerdotes encargados de explicar y comentar la voluntad divina y creyentes obligados a obedecerla.

from ÉMILE ARMAND. El anarquismo individualista: Lo que es, puede y vale. La Plata: Terramar, 2007. pg. 25. (tranlation from french first published in Spain in 1916)

I will try a translation of these lines here:

a)As a human ideal, the believer, he who is educated in faith, which serves him as an obstacle so that he will not tresspass certain limits and that will not attempt to reach the fruits of the trees of good and evil, in this is turned into a coward who will avoid to find in front of him the reality which could go againts that indemonstrable virtue. b)As a supreme ideal, God, ficticious entity, scientifically indemonstrable, and a product of the imagination. c)As a social ideal, the kingdom of god on Earth, composed of priests in charge of explanation and comentary on divine will and believers who have to obey it.--Eduen (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

E., not Émile

According to Armand himself (see the French Misplaced Pages article) he was not to be called Émile, but just E. for Ernest: "Émile ne fut jamais son prénom, contrairement à une erreur répandue, comme le démontre Gaetano Manfredonia dans la préface à la réédition des écrits d'Armand (Zones, 2007). Voici ce qu'Armand écrit à Hem Day dans une lettre du 15 juillet 1958: « C'est Ernest et non Émile Armand, mais j'estime que c'est de mince importance. » (E.L. Armand, ses prisons par Hem Day, Défense de l'homme no 177-178 juillet-août 1963)." Glatisant (talk) 13:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Move to E. Armand

I think it is pretty well established, however many of us have used the wrong pseudonym at times, that Juin's pen name was in fact "E. Armand," with the "E." referring to "Ernest," rather than "Émile Armand." Is there any particular reason why this page perpetuates the error, redirecting from the actual pen name, rather than correcting it, perhaps with a redirect from the common error? Libertatia (talk) 05:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this is just a widespread error. If you look at how he signs his own work, it's always as "E. Armand." Richard Sonn's Sex, Violence, and the Avant-garde: Anarchism in Interwar France notes this. --Cohn-jesse (talk) 20:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

The French version of this page, "E. Armand," notes "...and not Émile," footnoting this as follows (my translation):

"Émile was never his first name, contrary to a widespread error, as Gaetano Manfredonia demonstrates in his preface to the reissue of Armand's writings (Zones, 2007). Here is what Armand wrote to Hem Day in a letter of July 15, 1958: 'It's Ernest and not Émile Armand, but it's not really important' ('E. L. Armand, ses prisons' by Hem Day, Defense de l'Homme no 177-178, July-Aug. 1963)."

(Yes, I know that Misplaced Pages is not a citeable source within Misplaced Pages, but it seems a bit silly to insist that our French-speaking compagnons and compagnonnes have it wrong, no?)

See also Armand's listing in the Dictionnaire des militants anarchistes -- sources listed at bottom of page.

--Cohn-jesse (talk) 00:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes! You should move to => E. Armand (né Lucien-Ernest Juin). Thks, Marc-AntoineV (talk) 11:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. p. 217, n. 10

Three pioneers of individualist anarchism?

Why is there a photo of a single unidentified person with this as the caption? Who is in the picture? Are there supposed to be two other people in it as well? ~~~ 2601:602:8800:850:2534:E2B1:9A23:79C5 (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

 Fixed I switched to an image that showed all "three pioneers" & altered the caption. Peaceray (talk) 16:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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