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Some introduction

Its annoying to see all the names used to Shirvan in the intro, could we make it shorter? Baku87 (talk) 17:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 9 March 2021

This discussion was listed at Misplaced Pages:Move review on 20 March 2021. The result of the move review was decision endorsed.
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. I've evaluated the arguments made by both sides and neither of them has provided conclusive evidence as to which name is more commonly used in recent English-language sources (what we're looking for per WP:MODERNPLACENAME). (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 20:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


Şirvan, Azerbaijan → Shirvan, Azerbaijan – Move to "Shirvan, Azerbaijan" per WP:UE/WP:COMMONNAME/WP:ENGLISH. Proof of anglicized name being the common name:

Results from Google News (key terms of "city" and "Azerbaijan" used to avoid results of other places with the same name): Shirvan: 647 Şirvan: 2

Results from Google Scholar (key terms of "city" and "Azerbaijan" used to avoid results of other places with the same name): Shirvan: 1,410 Şirvan: 137

Individual reliable sources referring to city as "Shirvan" RFE/RL, JAMNews, OC Media, Carnegie Europe, EurasiaNet

This is the same name but an anglicized version. Unlike other small villages, this is a fairly large city, which has made a lot of appearances in English-language media, in most of which, "Shirvan" has been used much more, establishing its WP:COMMONNAME. I'd also like to ask the closing admin to give more attention to the arguments being made rather than the vote counts, as there are people who go over each RM and repeat unrelated policies as an "Oppose" argument. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose per Xızı and also to avoid ambiguity with the much better established English placename "Shirvan" referring to a historical region. Parishan (talk) 19:42, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
    • This is not about getting rid of Azerbaijani letters or its version of spellings. This exact thing was discussed twice in a similar RM a few weeks ago in Talk:Sharur#Requested move 10 February 2021. We can use the non-anglicized version only if the settlement is completely uncovered in English media (e.g. tiny villages) or its non-anglicized version is the common name (like in Gdańsk), per WP:UE. There's absolutely no reason to keep the non-anglicized version when the anglicized name is in common use among English-language media. I've specifically used terms such as "city" and "Azerbaijan" to avoid sources referring to the historical region, so that argument has no ground in this case. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 19:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose per @Parishan:. At least this RM with a population of 85,800 there is more chance of finding modern English WP:RS than the village of Talk:Xızı with 1,600 inhabitants (cannot understand why that village has been proposed for a reset back to Soviet era name?), but the nom is still just wrong and possibly a WP:COMPETENCE issue, AGF. We don't just bag total all old sources in Google, we look for current WP:RS. What en.wp editors needt to see to add this town to List of English exonyms are BCC and Guardian articles from 2021 using the Soviet era name now in 2021. Not sources from 1980s. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
    • Competence issue? You do realize that it's not polite to cite that policy when referring to someone, especially when the reason is that you just don't like the changes I'm proposing. Please be nicer or I'll have to take action. Most sources in the News and Scholar results are recent, so if you had taken a little time scrolling through the results, instead of copy-pasting your answers from Talk:Xızı, perhaps you wouldn't have written that. Here's RFE/RL, JAMNews, OC Media, Carnegie Europe, EurasiaNet referring to the city as "Shirvan". — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm asking you to restrict your nom to current WP:RS per WP:NAMECHANGES, it is not "don't like it", it is Title Policy. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:13, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
You're forgetting the fact that there's no name change here. That policy is for when a country changes the name of a city to a new name. We're simply anglicizing the already used native name based on the commonly used anglicisation used by major English-language media. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:16, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Please see WP:MODERNPLACENAME which also says it, perhaps more clearly; you are required to restrict your nom to current WP:RS. Financial Times World Desk Reference 2003 p.110 already moved from Soviet era Shirvan to Şirvan. This is about as reliable as World Desk Reference books get, and that was 2003. Lonely Planet Georgia, Armenia & Azerbaijan 2016 shows that the Soviet name is no longer used in travel books also "Until recently the elegant little goitered gazelle (also called the Persian gazelle or ceyran) had its last South Caucasus refuge in Azerbaijan's Şirvan National Park". Please reduce your sources to current WP:RS. This is a part of Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names). In ictu oculi (talk) 12:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
You do realise that "Shirvan" isn't a Soviet spelling. Both WP:NAMECHANGES and WP:MODERNPLACENAME are for when the name of the city has been officially changed to a new name. This is not the case here. "Shirvan" is the same name as "Şirvan" but an anglicized version, which WP:UE tells us to use. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
There's no point in me repeating the policy and guideline again, so will leave it to the next editor. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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Climate section not complete

Why is there no data for AUGUST in the table?PAper GOL (talk) 04:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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