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Former good article nominee.рф was a Engineering and technology good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Current status: Former good article nominee

Will it be mirrored with .ru?

.рф sounds like an interesting venture into non-Latin alphabets, but I can't help but notice my lack of a ф key. Will .рф be a whole new DNS table, or will it simply be an alias for .ru? In other words, will, for example, www.hello.рф and www.hello.ru point to the same website or not? If not, I can see charmap-like applications finding a whole new use. --85.5.113.244 (talk) 09:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

As it is written, "Sites' names in this new domain will be in Cyrillic alphabet only", meaning it will have its own domainnames, using russian letters only, like "владимир-путин.рф", it seems that it will not mirror ".ru", and not allow hello.рф. Russians have ф on their keyboards, and it is assumed that text on the websites will be in Russian. It seems that Arabic and Chinese top-domains will follow, for example ".中文", with website addresses like "弗拉基米爾·普亭.中文". -- BIL (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Even if you did have an "ф" key, I think you'd still need a "р" key. You'd have to use the Cyrillic "р", not the Latin "p". Anyway, you won't need to actually write it out; that's what copy&paste is for. :) Esn (talk) 02:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
If you install a Russian keyboard you would have р and ф. You also need the keys for the domain name. If you can't read Russian you probably don't need to visit these pages. Actually you can install a Russian keyboard right now on your English computer using the Control Panel (if you have Windows), and write the letters on the keyboard. -- BIL (talk) 21:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
The Russian alphabet page has a link at the bottom which explains how to install the Russian phonetic font on a QWERTY keyboard. That's what I've done, although I haven't written the letters on the keys (I just know it by memory). But again, if you just want to visit the address, you can use copy&paste. After all, that's what most people do for long Latin-alphabet addresses as well.Esn (talk) 04:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
That's it. It's started and it has mirror. Actually they are mirrors: президент.рф (president.rf)=kremlin.ru and правительство.рф (pravitelstvo.rf)=government.ru (if you want - links to the english version there are at both variants of each site). Dendr (talk) 14:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
The technical word is nor mirror but URL redirection or "domain redirection". HaŋaRoa (talk) 20:17, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't get it at all. As far as I know, the ".ru" domain lives own life, and ".рф"-zone domain names aren't sold together with any other "backup domain" names. Moreover, both ".ru" sites are numerous, and ".рф" sites are numerous, so there is no visible chance for ".ru" and ".рф" to mirror each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.215.105.1 (talk) 12:18, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Technical details

Normally domain names are ASCII-only and since Cyrillic is not in ASCII, plain old DNS does not allow for a TLD like .рф. Non-ASCII domain names generally use Punycode — is that the case here, or does it use some other scheme? Hairy Dude (talk) 16:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Nobody bothered to punycode the Cyrillic RF, IMO that says something about the notability of this article. The GeoTLD stub was also in an utter dubious state, but it's not only nonsense, just the normal POV pushing... ;-) --217.184.142.28 (talk) 01:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Update, a Reuters article 2008-06-11 mentioned "RF", xn--p1ai if I got it right. --217.184.142.35 (talk) 07:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed for deletion

This domain does not exist, and is not scheduled to exist, so to state it "is the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the Russian Federation" is fictitious. Without the existence of the domain, or any formal recognition of the domain from ICANN, the entire premise of the article is invalid.

ICANN is currently developing a potential policy for allowing countries to apply for country names in local character-sets, but it is extremely premature to presuppose what the policy will look like, and if implemented, what any specific country's code would be. Once there is a final policy, Russia would need to apply to ask for a particular code to be assigned to them. There is no provision to know what the final policy may be, or what Russia's code would be, at this time (April 2008).

The official list of top-level domainst includes the Russian .испытание — however .рф is not one of them.

--kjd (talk) 00:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This was removed with the comment "Removing the prod - if you want to delete the article, also delete 15 foreign articles on other Wikipedias" which doesn't make sense to me. I am going to read between the lines that the comment means I need to go an engage every translation of this article in separate discussions. I am not proficient in the various languages it has been translated in, nor do I believe that there is any Misplaced Pages policy that requires one to gain consensus in every language of an article before edits can be made in English --kjd (talk) 01:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
You wouldn't. Generally if the English interwiki is deleted some of the other projects will follow, or they will simply continue to exist. It isn't really our (the en-wiki contributors) problem either way. BalkanFever 02:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
And if someone contests the prod (for whatever reason) just take it to WP:AFD. BalkanFever 02:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

(Deletion wasn't done.) You should have just corrected it to say "proposed", like subsequent editors did in 2008, instead of such impassioned trouble making. Is there so much merit to ceremoniously deleting something only to have it created again later? How about just leaving it for a while, and then deleting it if it flops (proves non-noteworthy), or not feeling like a jerk if it succeeds? The proposal itself was probably already noteworthy to inspire an article (though apparently exaggerated, declaring it official before it was). Also, you should have manually linked here as well, to avoid having the discussion here. -A876 (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I completely agree: the proposal was bad, since "испытание" bluntly means "test" in Russian, the there already was a test domain. Deletion of the article was act-of-instinct idea at that point. 178.215.105.1 (talk) 12:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

"Good article" review

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Fairly good article. Following things need doing:

  1. As there is no article for it, a quick explanation of what the RU-Center is might be helpful.
  2. It would be useful if the {{cite web}} template was used for the references.
  3. What position does Alexei Lesnikov hold?

When these get done, I'll review once more and most likely pass. Good luck! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 03:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I have decided to fail this article. Feel free to renominate, possibly after addressing the concerns listed here. Cheerio! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 22:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect

Someone urgently needs to redirect .rf to this page, as that is the current translation. I and many others cannot write Russian on our English keyboards, as I don't yet know how to use Unicode, so whoever can, please do. RM (Be my friend) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reenem (talk • contribs) 10 February 2010

Someone did it on 27 March 2010. HaŋaRoa (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

There is no domain .rf please correct the article

--MathFacts (talk) 13:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Correct, fixed. A google search on site:.rf finds nothing, but searching site:.рф already finds 7,000 sites. --BIL (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
On May 18 I added "or .rf" with a reference to Rossia.rf becomes first Cyrillic domain and with comment .rf is considered a synonym . Since it is misleading, now it reads "transliterated as .rf". Note that .rf redirects here. HaŋaRoa (talk) 14:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 19:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    In-line citations are missing
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
    Several important information is missing. For example, it does not mention the domain squatting, types of registration and policies
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall: Please fix those issues before I resume. --GoPTN 20:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
    Pass/Fail:

I have to fail this nomination as per the advice on my talk page by the nominator. --GoPTN 18:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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