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List of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Heading converted to normal text ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Stop pointless deleting the edits, the article is way too big to have been written in such detail. Uwdwadafsainainawinfi (talk) 14:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I haven't deleted a word - so please stop with your absurdly false accusations.

The truth is I've actually restored deleted content - if you think the list is too long, take it on its talk page. We can find a solution, but I suspect that random deleting of entire sections under inane assertion that "the article is way too big" wouldn't be the way to trim. (Perhaps we can find a way to split the list by types of equipment.) --Ɋnym (talk) 15:49, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit war

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Thank for your notice. I was just restoring deleted content, because of lack of credible explanation for their large-scale content removals.

And I've actually been attempting to engage user Uwdwadafsainainawinfi in discussion, the problem being they're unresponsive & either not giving any explanation for their changes, or claiming that they're actually not removing content.

In fact they're ignoring the article talk on this for some time... Ɋnym (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

They have now created a new talk page section explaining their latest removal(s). ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed restriction

Hi Ɋnym,

You are currently prohibited from editing articles about the Russo-Ukrainian War. This restriction is "broadly construed", which means that if you are unsure whether it applies, it likely does. Constructive talk page discussion is fine, though.

Details about the restriction can be found at WP:GS/RUSUKR. In a nutshell, the restriction applies to you because you have not yet made 500 contributions to the English Misplaced Pages.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Why me?

Was user Uwdwadafsainainawinfi blocked too?

The List of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is certainly tangentially related to the Russo-Ukraine war, but it certainly isn't an article about the Russo-Ukrainian war...(Well, until added onto the list - ex post facto.)

I have no idea what this is all about - first Uwdwadafsainainawinfi's false accusations about alleged "content removals", then this sudden restriction of editing on a topic only broadly related - and all that just because I've been restoring content removed without any actual explanation, to the previous consensial version.

Can I edit lists of military equipment of other nations, or are those too considered to be "articles about Russo-Ukrainian war"? Can I edit articles on military equipment, even if it's used in said war? Ɋnym (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

The restriction was in place all the time, but it would be wrong to blame you for not knowing about it. As described at WP:GS/RUSUKR, "reverts made solely to enforce this restriction are not considered edit warring." Uwdwadafsainainawinfi has been editing for over six months and has made over 1000 edits, so they're far away from being affected by the restriction.

As I wrote above, "if you are unsure whether it applies, it likely does". I personally won't revert your edits to Category:Lieutenant generals of Ukraine, but it would be acceptable for others to do so, and you shouldn't really have made them.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

No, there was no restriction previously - I've been able to edit the list many times previously and never had any problem (except for the dispute with user Uwdwadafsainainawinfi) editing it. (As I've pointed out above, the List of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was only retroactively added on the list of articles restricted due to the Russo-Ukrainan war - after all, it covers all equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not only the equipment used during the current war.

Nor had I any trouble editing other articles, including those actually about the Russo-Ukrainian war.

Threatening me with reverting my edit completely unrelated to Russo-Ukraine war doesn't sound right - where can I take some action about or appeal against your arbitrary restricting my editing options? Or can me give at least provide some list of articles, categories or topics I'm now not entitled to edit because they are / or can be vaguely related to the Russo-Ukraine war? Regards Ɋnym (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I think I see where the confusion comes from, sorry. I had added the word "articles" above to make clear that I wasn't referring to your discussion at Talk:List of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The actual restriction is described at WP:GS/RUSUKR. "Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area", and the topic area is "all pages with content related to the Russo-Ukrainian War, broadly construed".

This is not an action specific to you. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

(Additional note: The list in the "Page level sanctions" section is only a log of technical page protections made to enforce the restriction. It is not a list of all pages the restriction applies to. As described at WP:GS/RUSUKR "B." and "C.", such page protection isn't required for the restriction to apply. I have applied it to prevent further restriction violations.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:20, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

That was exactly my point - there exists no actual editing restriction, except for those specifically listed articles. And there's no warning given to editors in general that they can't edit articles on those topics.

Why are you bullying me specifically, for editing a list, which is not directly related to the Russo-Ukrainian War?

Which articles can I edit as a novice editor, when topics under general sanctions are numerous & the rest of Misplaced Pages is "broadly related" to most of them?

And please stop accusing me of restriction violations - I wasn't informed there's or should be any restriction until your recent claims above. Thank you Ɋnym (talk) 00:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: I see your evasions & failure to answer my questions as an eloquent answer in itself. Also the complete lack of apology for your assaults & harrasment above. Regards. Ɋnym (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC).

Thanks for the ping. I didn't see your previous message yet.

You are mixing up three things:

Topic areas with general sanctions, of which many exist.
Topics areas with an extended-confirmed restriction
Pages with extended-confirmed protection.

You have unknowingly, and without any reason to be blamed for doing so, violated an extended-confirmed restriction.

Details about the restriction can be found at WP:GS/RUSUKR. It applies to all users who are not extended-confirmed, not just you, and not just since I have protected a page.

A list of ideas for constructive contributions unrelated to the Russo-Ukrainian War can be found at the Task Center and the community portal.

Best regards,
~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm taking logical conclusions from what you explained me above. I just happen to prefer clear logic to your random arbitrary harrassment of newcomers.

If there are so many extended-confirmed restricted topics (which are interpreted broadly) - what are the areas / topics I can actually edit without violating anything?

I see the only difference in that the pages with extended-confirmed protection at least make it in advance clear that I'm not allowed to edit them.

Thank you for your attempt at suggestion, but the "Task Center" still not give any clear designation of articles I'm allowed to edit as a non-Extended-confirmed user - as you perhaps've noticed yourself they're not sorted topically. Ɋnym (talk) 05:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

There are not many extended-confirmed restricted topic areas. WP:A/I/PIA exists, WP:GS/AA exists, yes. Unless you have previously been notified about a specific restriction, there is rarely a need to worry about it. Especially, almost none of the topics displayed in the huge list at WP:GS have this rare restriction.

There will not be the list of articles you are asking for, as Misplaced Pages has 6,627,958 articles of which surely over 99,9x% would need to be listed. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but those restricted are interpreted very broadly, as per your example given above.

And I prefer to know in advance, not being notified / bullied only after the supposed "violation" have taken place. Ɋnym (talk) 06:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

And still no answer on my questions. The silence is deafening - I have no more reason to assume good faith on part of a person who instead engaging in discussion choose only to harrass & be generally unhelpful. --Ɋnym (talk) 02:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Nothing? So thank you - for nothing.Ɋnym (talk) 05:05, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking or waiting for. You had asked no further questions, and you are now extended-confirmed, so the restriction(s) do not apply to you anymore anyway. You may like to remove all the talk page sections related to the outdated notification. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

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