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I didn't understand what I did wrong. I added a template to the article. האופה (talk) 05:40, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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Is there anything I should do now? Or is it a note for the future? האופה (talk) 09:02, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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Your edits are showing biasesness to Israel. Why you removed the line “ itself an Iranian retaliation for the killing of senior officers in an Israeli airstrike in Damascus.” Grabup (talk) 06:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup I didn't remove it, I moved it to the bottom part of the lead, I thought we should start by describing the event and then get into the backgroung. Please check again the same edit you shared here. HaOfa (talk) 06:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Why you added this line? “unprecedented missile and drone strike by Iran on Israel” this line shows that you are totally biased to Israel, and you are from Israel as your name is in Hebrew. Grabup (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Grabup I did not invent the use of "unprecedented" for this attack, I found it in reliable sources this morning. The Wall Street Journal article I used for my edits wrote today that: "Much remained unclear about the extent or impact of the Israeli action, meant as a response to an unprecedented direct attack by Iran on Saturday that involved more than 300 drones and missiles aimed at Israeli territory." The New York Times also says: "Iran's unprecedented attack on Israel." Is there any issue with my place of origin? Please withdraw your accusations, as they appear to be made in bad faith. HaOfa (talk) 06:35, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Read WP:NPOV, we can’t add everything what reliable sources say, in this geo-political controversial context, not at all. Grabup (talk) 06:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

• האופה; I would also recommend that you build consensus in the talk page instead of engaging in edit wars.Ghazaalch (talk) 07:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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@Gwillhickers, thank you so much for the welcome and the help. Cheers! HaOfa (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Violating 1RR

You're clearly violating 1RR on the rescue operation page. I'm going to ask you to revert your edits. JDiala (talk) 18:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, @JDiala, I've been very careful not to violate 1RR with any of my edits. Can you please share the exact diffs you think are 1RR vio? Thank you HaOfa (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

here, here. JDiala (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this is not a violation of 1RR, but two unchallenged consecutive edits in a row. HaOfa (talk) 19:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

You're reverting the edit of the person who wrote it was the Gazan health ministry and are now claiming it was the Hamas media office. It's a revert. JDiala (talk) 19:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I might actually be wrong here, in which case my apologies. I guess a revert requires a reversion back to a previous version. JDiala (talk) 22:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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Radio stations

Hi, I'm Sammi. I've seen that you and some other editors have been expanding our coverage of Israeli radio stations.

I made a change to Galey Israel by adopting a "Notable presenters" list, in line with many UK stations. These lists should only contain people with articles (I'd also take interlanguage links to other Wikipedias). I would advise getting a citation for each presenter you list (especially for WP:BLP reasons). I also added some things to the infobox that should have been there.

As an editor amply familiar with radio stations but not Israel topics, I'm available as a resource if you have questions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Sammi, I'll reach out if needed. cheers HaOfa (talk) 18:02, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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No, sadly, I am having a great time HaOfa (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

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Don't you dare

Don't you dare accuse me of the very thing that you did: remove content without explanation. M.Bitton (talk) 11:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I explained my reasons for removing the content. The text focuses on Israel and Zionism as settler colonialism, and I retained the section linking genocide accusations to this concept. On the other hand, you removed new content directly relevant to the topic, including criticism by renowned scholars, but the content needed balancing. I also tried to structure it in a more encyclopedic way: starting with an overview, moving on to the history of the claim, possible connection to genocide, and then summary of critcism. Can we work together to improve the article? Let's keep it collaborative :) HaOfa (talk) 11:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

You certainly didn't explain the content that you removed. I don't work with edit warriors who don't respect BRD. Are you going to self-revert and seek consensus for your massive changes? M.Bitton (talk) 11:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hi @Youknow, Thanks for helping improve the last few articles I've written. Shay Golden is a very well-known Israeli writer and media person. There are also sources that testify to this. He wrote 8 books in well-known publishers, he broadcasted on several Israeli media networks. I really don't think he should be in the draft.

The article may not be perfect. But certainly not at the level of transferring to a draft.HaOfa (talk) 14:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @האופה, Thank you for your contributions.

I searched extensively but could not find WP:SIGCOV from WP:RS. Therefore, I have drafted your article so that you can include reliable sources. Once you add these sources, you can submit it for AFC review, and the reviewer will likely accept your draft.

Thank you and warm regards, Cheers! Youknow? (talk) 15:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

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The talk in Israel

I think Selfstudier was talking about DMH, not you.

I saw what you wrote in the talk page in Israel and I wanted to say hello.

HaOfa, (do you bake? bread? cake?). O.maximov (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

By the way, there are very early signs of cereal grown in ancient Israel thousands of years ago. Interesting fact. Well goodbye. O.maximov (talk) 15:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello O.maximov!

Thank you for your warm greeting! Indeed, I do bake - mostly bread, but occasionally cakes too. I'm glad to hear about the ancient cereal! Maybe I should try to recreate an ancient Israeli bread recipe? Who knows, it might become the next big thing!

By the way, did you know that ancient grains are making a comeback in modern baking? There's something magical about connecting with our culinary past. HaOfa (talk) 15:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I love bread. Also love cakes, but I'm careful not to eat too much! Ha! O.maximov (talk) 11:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

You know about ancient cereal and beer? There's a place in Ashkelon in which they make beer from ancient yeast. Here is the link to an article about them . O.maximov (talk) 11:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah! Maybe one day we can work on an article on Ancient Beer in Israel? Or ancient cereal? O.maximov (talk) 11:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Yalla, let's do it. Open a draft or a sandbox and I'll hop in to help. HaOfa (talk) 07:42, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

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Violation of 1rr

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• 13:01, July 31, 2024 . This edit reverts this one and moves arguments that the assassination violated international law.
• 11:40, July 31, 2024 reverted an earlier edit by Kashmiri.

Please self-revert, or I will report you.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vice regent, hello friend, the first diff is not a revert. I just moved the content from section to section. Check yourself again, it's still on the article. HaOfa (talk) 13:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It is a revert of this edit.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

How is that a revert? I haven't cancelled anything. The content you added is still on the article. I never removed it. The only revert is the 11:40 to Kashmiri. HaOfa (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It is not necessary to remove something for it to be a revert.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

To revert means to undo someone's edit. I don't see how they reverted the edit you say they did. O.maximov (talk) 13:42, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

To revert is to undo the action of another editor, in whole or in part. Moving their comment from where they placed it to where you prefer it to be is obviously a revert and moving comments back and forth would constitute edit warring. M.Bitton (talk) 20:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

This user has been engaging in multiple violation. Its time we report him. Astropulse (talk) 03:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

You have now made a 3rd revert. I moved the "analysis" section under reactions and you moved it back into a subsection.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I see HaOfa already self-reverted themselves on this. I re-did their revert since. I think it was better this way. O.maximov (talk) 13:43, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

That's a self-revert of a third revert. They still haven't self-reverted the 1R violation. M.Bitton (talk) 13:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Which doesn't seem like 1R violation anyway O.maximov (talk) 13:53, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't asking. M.Bitton (talk) 13:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Why? O.maximov (talk) 14:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

It is not necessary to remove material for something to be a revert, moving a section from one place to another is also a revert because it undoes the work of another editor. It's not a particularly serious revert but it is still a revert and it would have been far better just to self revert than enter into this tedious argument here. Selfstudier (talk) 21:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Noting the absence of any reply and the editor continuing to edit, @Vice regent:, do you wish to pursue this? Selfstudier (talk) 10:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I have no problem self reverting, I would like an admin's opinion on how the rule works. I'm pretty sure the first diff is not a revert, as I did not undid anything, just moved content in the article. If this is a revert, almost every article could be a revert... Therefore, I'm tagging @ScottishFinnishRadish. If I'm wrong, I'll of course self revert. HaOfa (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Would restoring their edit constitute a revert? M.Bitton (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Moving and shifting content is still a reversion for the purposes of edit warring. There have been plenty of edit wars over location of prose. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I will rv at once. Thanks for clarifying. HaOfa (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Israel

Please self-revert at Israel. What you restored is not the "last stable version," as claimed in your edit summary. What I restored was the "last stable version" before the ongoing RFC started, and I "proved" that with a permalink in the edit summary to the June 8 version. You restored to a later version, Special:Diff/1230554629, June 23, which was a change made during the RFC. Levivich (talk) 19:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

When I said "the last stable version" I meant the first paragraph, with Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and so on, that were changed without discussions in the last two days. But, anyway, even if the 1948 framing you use was the last version before the RFC, it does not make it the last stable version. In fact, as far as I can remember, there was never consensus for adding Nakba to the lead... and per WP:ONUS, The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. That's the very reason the RFC was started, because there was no consensus for inclusion of Nakba. So while I agree its better to use the last stable version before the debate surrounding Nakba started, it wasn't the version you used, since it was never stable. HaOfa (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I put it back to how it was when the RFC started. You re-instated a bold change made during the RFC. Either undo that, or I am going to report it at AE. If you think my version was not the right version and you want to go back to an earlier version as the "last stable version," that's fine with me, but re-instating the bold edit made during the RFC is not fine with me. Levivich (talk) 20:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Levivich, In a few checks of versions from May 2024 I found that there was no mention not only of Nakba but also of the expulsion and flight at all. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Israel&oldid=1223018652, https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Israel&oldid=1220108864, so I am unsure which earlier version should be restored exactly. I'll be okay with various different options from the past as long as their don't include the disputed use of Nakba/ethnic cleansing, which is the very reason for the current RfC, so please feel free to restore whatever old version you find as long as it doesn't include the disputed terminology. HaOfa (talk) 09:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Anti Israel bias

Achi, Misplaced Pages is packed with anti Israel bias. I created a page about olives in Jewish history, and they wanted to delete it because of their political views. Misplaced Pages might be great for basic information, but when it comes to politics, it's the last place to look for anything unbiased. AhmedHijaziElSultani (talk) 15:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Lol. Selfstudier (talk) 16:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

You're one of them btw. AhmedHijaziElSultani (talk) 19:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Idk anything about olives. Selfstudier (talk) 20:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

It's not about Olives, it's about the leftist anti israel bias on Misplaced Pages. AhmedHijaziElSultani (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

canvassing is not allowed on Misplaced Pages Nohorizonss (talk) 12:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks,

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

האופה, please provide a statement at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment § Statement by האופה. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

@ToBeFree: Editor has returned (and fwiw, makes a revert in the same section of an article that PeleYoetz edited the previous day). Selfstudier (talk) 17:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Selfstudier, thanks – this would be more upsetting if the discussion hadn't completely shifted away from האופה's behavior. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

האופה, I'm pretty sure you're reading this and are intentionally silently staying away from all the conduct discussions. This is currently not a huge issue because the discussion isn't primarily about you (anymore), but ignoring community input may quickly become disruptive. Editing an area while one's conduct in that area is under discussion is usually something to be done very carefully, if at all. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I just responded now. I also explained why it took me so long. Thank you. HaOfa (talk) 07:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi האופה, Thank you very much! I'm sorry to hear about the issues caused to your family by the war and wish you all the best. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 09:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

New motion in the arbitration enforcement referral

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1RR violation

Please self-revert your latest reversion on Yahya Sinwar to comply with 1RR: 1st revert (of this edit) and 2nd revert (of this edit). Makeandtoss (talk) 09:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: This edit is definitely not a revert of this edit, it's called copy-editing. HaOfa (talk) 14:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

As the editor mentioned by @Makeandtoss regarding their edit being reverted, I can say that this is clearly not a revert, but a wording improvement. Makeandtoss, I think you should be a bit more careful when making such harsh allegations. OdNahlawi (talk) 14:49, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

A reversion is defined as any edit that undoes another editor's actions. Pinging @ScottishFinnishRadish: to kindly clarify, considering they had recently similarly clarified above that a move is still a revert. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any undo, of any sort, with the first diff you presented. What I see is an editor changing the order of words in a sentence to make it more readable. ABHammad (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about missing this. I wasn't available much of the weekend, and came back to ~100 pings and a couple hundred notifications. I plan on looking into this tomorrow. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I do not see this as a revert of this.

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Ma'ariv reported that during his time in prison, Sinwar enrolled in fifteen courses through the ] over a span of seven years, beginning in 1995. Most were in history, covering topics such as the history of the Jews in the ] and ], the First Temple period, ], and ], along with a political science course on governance and Israeli democracy.

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] reported that during his seven years in prison, starting in 1995, Sinwar took fifteen courses through the ]. Most were in history, covering topics such as the Jews in the ] and ], the First Temple period, ], and ], along with a political science course on governance and Israeli democracy.

There is no change in attribution or facts, just copy editing that does not negate the effects of the edit. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Thanks for the clarification then, I will keep that in mind. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

There's a whole lot of grey area involved. If, for instance, the attribution to Ma'ariv was removed, then I would likely see it as a revert. There's also not a whole lot of broader community input, see Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)#What is a revert? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Interesting discussion, I had the same thought process in my mind a while ago. On the other hand I remember reading an advice some many months ago, probably on AE, that a revert can be considered almost anything, so it is better to avoid the entire sentence all together, which has been standard practice by most editors as far as I have observed. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

That is my general advice as well, but in this case we have all of the same information presented in very close to the same way. There was no shift of POV, attribution, or facts. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

For interest, bearing in mind that I really have no idea what is or is not a revert, I regard a Maariv (newspaper)|Ma'ariv -> Ma'ariv transform as a revert, because it changes the reader's access to information related to the source and removes the only internal link to the relevant article. Sometimes this might matter. Sean.hoyland (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@Sean.hoyland: @ScottishFinnishRadish: In addition to what Sean mentioned, I personally believe a reordering of the structure of a sentence is a revert, but again, I am ready to accept whichever interpretation is most common and stick to it, by myself and everyone else. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

If you want a broader array of admin input you can bring this to AE, but I think this case will firmly fall into the "not a revert" category. I may be incorrect, though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Thanks but is AE the right place; I am more interested in pursuing the general clarification of this point rather than a complaint against the user here? Makeandtoss (talk) 12:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

That would be the discussion at VPP, but it doesn't seem to be drawing much participation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Care with editing

This edit is substandard. Opinion material was added along with a citation needed tag. The edit has been reverted so no matter but please refrain from this type of editing in the future. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 16:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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November 2024

Hello, I'm GrabUp. I noticed that you recently removed content from November_2024_Amsterdam_attacks without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. You should not remove well-cited material from a controversial article; you removed many citations, like those from Times of Israel, BBC, and others. GrabUp - Talk 12:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You removed information about the taxi driver, saying, ‘Sources don’t blame them.’ Here is a source from the BBC that mentions: ‘Peter Holla tells reporters in Amsterdam that Maccabi supporters attacked a taxi and set a Palestinian flag on fire on Wednesday.’ GrabUp - Talk 12:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that's a change from the original by Middle East Eye. Feel free to add it, with the right attribution HaOfa (talk) 12:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You have violated WP:ARBPIA, reverted 2 times within 24 hours. GrabUp - Talk 12:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see now. an edit conflict. thanks for noticing. I see it was restored anyway. By the way, the article is a huge mess right now, and a violation of POV I am afraid HaOfa (talk) 12:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

1RR violations

There were two 1RR violations by yourself within 8 minutes at November 2024 Amsterdam attacks, so please revert all your latest edits to comply with 1RR. first revert: removing content, second: removing content, third: removing content. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Isabelle Belato; See. GrabUp - Talk 12:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss The editor has already acknowledged their mistake above. Why do you continue to fill users' pages with allegations that are either unverified or have already been resolved? You did it here on this same page just a few weeks ago. Why are we at it again? ABHammad (talk) 21:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Arbitration motions regarding Palestine-Israel articles

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When imposing a contentious topic restriction under the Arab-Israeli conflict contentious topic, an uninvolved administrator may require that appeals be heard only by the Arbitration Committee. In such cases, the committee will hear appeals at ARCA according to the community review standard. A rough consensus of arbitrators will be required to overturn or amend the sanction.

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Following a request at WP:ARCA, the Arbitration Committee directs its clerks to open a case to examine the interaction of specific editors in the WP:PIA topic area. Subject to amendment by the drafting arbitrators, the following rules will govern the case:

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Addendum

In passing motion #5 to open a Palestine-Israel articles 5 case, the Committee has appointed three drafters: Aoidh, HJ Mitchell, and CaptainEek. The drafters have resolved that the case will open on November 30. The delay will allow the Committee time to resolve a related private matter, and allow for both outgoing and incoming Arbitrators to vote on the case. The drafters have changed the party list to the following individuals:

• BilledMammal (talk · contribs)
• Iskandar323 (talk · contribs)
• Ïvana (talk · contribs)
• Levivich (talk · contribs)
• Nableezy (talk · contribs)
• Selfstudier (talk · contribs)
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• AndreJustAndre (talk · contribs)
• IOHANNVSVERVS (talk · contribs)
• Alaexis (talk · contribs)
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• Makeandtoss (talk · contribs)
• Snowstormfigorion (talk · contribs)

The drafters reserve the right to amend the list of parties if necessary. The drafters anticipate that the case will include a two week evidence phase, a one week workshop phase, and a two week proposed decision phase.

The related Arbitration enforcement referral: Nableezy et al request has been folded into this case. Evidence from the related private matter, as alluded to in the Covert canvassing and proxying in the Israel-Arab conflict topic area case request, will be examined prior to the start of the case, and resolved separately.

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historic Palestine

is a bolded aka at Palestine (region). Therefore it is not a POV term, what is POV is your revert with a false reason. Selfstudier (talk) 19:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier. It is bolded at Palestine (region) because Iskandar323 added it as an 'alt name,' citing highly opinionated sources in this edit from last July. I agree with @האופה that this term is largely a POV term, with many sources distancing themselves from it, as it often originates from pro-Palestinian political discourse (and should be moved from its current aka position at Palestine to an etymology section, alongside Land of Israel). Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source, particularly on ARBPIA topics, which I believe have been subject to major CPUSH campaigns in recent years. There's a reason we have an incoming case on PIA. ABHammad (talk) 07:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

You have a complaint about something on some page, deal with it at that page. Selfstudier (talk) 10:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

So why did you go to @האופה's page to complain about something on some page, doing exactly the opposite of what you're asking for here? ABHammad (talk) 06:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure they can speak for themself. Selfstudier (talk) 15:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I've also asked for their reasoning on the talk page 10 days ago & have been periodically checking for a reply, both here & there, so the issue seems to be drive-by editing without discussion. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 17:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hang in There

Just saw all the harrassment and attacks that have been directed at you. Thank you for your work here and I hope this doesn't drive you away. Hang in there! Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Blocked as a sockpuppet

האופה (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I was blocked for no reason! I've been here for a year and have written hundreds of articles. I've invested days and nights into Misplaced Pages. I have no idea who this Icewiz is or why would anyone say me and him are the same person. Same about AB.Hamed!

I was blocked solely because for political reasons, there's no other way to describe it. Check my edits, and you'll understand why I have nothing to do with them!

Are you kidding me? This block is based on the filing of Makeandtoss, who is a side to an ARBCOM case, PIA5, about their interactions with other users.

This block is just madness. I hope that one day, Israelis and Jews will be allowed to write on Misplaced Pages without being blocked just for being Israelis after lobbying by editors who want the content here to fit their ideology. HaOfa (talk) 08:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

This request is absolute nonsense. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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