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JanuaryHappy New YearSalutations, Cool Cat. I've returned from my (cough) mediocre (cough) trip with my girlfriend from the states and I've returned to Misplaced Pages. Happy New Year, and I'll return to work; feel free to ask for any assistance on the articles as always, my friend. P.S. -Happy New Years! -MegamanZero|Talk 13:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
There he goes againLooks like davenbell is up to his slanderous habbits once again- he's sniping you: (here) and (here), (see near the bottom of the page)..... -_- -MegamanZero|Talk 19:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
{{Usernameblock}}Ever since the TheOrgy's arrivial, I has noticed that his username means very rude description in regard to the english language, and I find that somewhat offensive. Perhaps a "Usernameblock" template is in order. -MegamanZero|Talk 21:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
rv error(moved Template:User browser:Firefox to Template:User Firefox: LEAVE IT ALONE!) it is meant to be: User firefox -So we now have quad-redirects :P IanID:540053 21:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Gallery Thanks for cleaning that up for me! Have a Working Man's Barnstar for your good work there, and on Jimbo's travel schedule! -- Essjay · Talk 17:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
UserpageI added some new sections to my userpage, tell me what you think. -MegamanZero|Talk 15:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I have yet to find sufficient edvidence weather you all are related though. However, User:Kitty shares a close resemblense with you, he might be a distant cousin. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
New user boxHi Cool Cat, You seem to have every wikibox under the sun and that inspired me to make a new one for you! Enjoy! P.S. Let me know if you're a leftie! Kevin 23:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Special:Log/block: User:Kevin Mulligan is blocked by User:Essjay with an expiry time of indefinite: Admitted trolling
{{Usernameblock}}Hi, I can't help noticing the user MegamanZero's username is an infringement of copyright - not to mention confusing for new users, who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages. Could you have a chat with some of your mates and see if you can get a {{Usernameblock}} put on him? Cheers. WP:AGFPlease stop reverting to that stupid wing image with your socks, the consensus was that nobody wanted it there. Thanks. Hexagonal 05:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Counter Un-civility UnitMisplaced Pages:Counter Un-civility Unit is a new wiki-project I have thought up. I was wondering if you thought it was a good idea and if you wanted to join up. I need some users backing me before I construct a wikiproject, and you seem to share my views on subjects such as consensus, civilty, etc. Reply on my talkpage if you're interested. Thanks, -MegamanZero|Talk 16:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages: Policy proposal - Stop Babel nowCool Cat - If you feel so strongly about boycotting the Babel project, TfD is most certainly not the place for this. The usual way is to suggest a policy that can be discussed for a reasonable amount of time. We are all really curious about why you think the rest of the world which uses five or six-scale evaluation systems is wrong. Express your concerns on Babel in a policy statement (Misplaced Pages: Policy proposal - Stop Babel now) and withdraw your nomination on TfD. You are not even giving a reason on why you personally want to stop this successful project at this level and you never consulted with other users on the talk-page of Babel. Since you are trying to prove your point a policy proposal corresponds to your needs much better since it will be on longer and people can much more efficiently block the advancement of Babel. --Fenice 08:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Infobox coloring (!)Errr, I noticed that you've changed the coloring/style for Template:Infobox animanga. Please please please don't make such changes without prior discussion at Template talk:Infobox animanga. - mako 09:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Copy vio?An image created for wikipedia by wikipeedia violates copyrights? One of the copy was 20px. No one can tell what it is. I am kinda confused. -- Cat 21:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
CompetetionNoticed you've been lagging behind in odd edits as of late... Better get some good ones because I'm on fire. :) -MegamanZero|Talk 19:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Your Help is needed...Someone is pretending you gave them a barnstar when their history has no mention of you editing it. The link-J.J.Sagnella 13:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Username :The great grape ape is straight out of the know Total edits :11 Image uploads :1 (1 cur, 0 old) Distinct pages edited :10 Edits/page (avg) :1.10 Deleted edits :0 (browse) First edit :2006-01-10 02:40:10 Edits by namespace Namespace Edits Articles 8 User 1 User talk 1 Image 1
Template:user CVU1-enYo, cool cat. Someone's been messing with the template 'user CVU1-en' which now looks like this (if someone's fixed it now it mentioned Gay rights). Dunno how to revert it so could you sort it? Thanks Pydos 16:54, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
QwertysoupHi there Cool Cat, Im Moe Epsilon. I would like for you to join in of the conversation about the above user at Misplaced Pages talk:Are You a Wikipediholic Test about his possible fake score on the test. I contacted you because you were one of the top scorers on the test, so you could probably tell if the score is fake or not. We would appriciate your input. — Moe ε 21:09, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
POV editsPlease refrain from making POV edits to articles and then mislabeling the edit summary as a "revert" or a "copy edit" to cover it up. () 80.202.25.17 16:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Competetion: Zero vs. Cool CatIndeed, Cool Cat, you are a formidable foe. This edit is truly proof of your odd editism. But don't get cocky... The war still wages on, and I am in the lead! :) -MegamanZero|Talk 18:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC) The great grape ape is straight out of the knowI apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, I have just joined Misplaced Pages and was testing my user page. Again, a thousand pardons and if there is any boon that I may beg upon you, don't hesitate to inquireThe great grape ape is straight out of the know 21:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Broken redirectsGoing through the broken redirects page, I noticed there are several created by you. Last I checked, they were numbers 275 - 282 on the page; you may want to take a look. Deadsalmon 22:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem. On a different note, if you've got a minute, mind explaining to me if you've got a bot or some other easy way to copy text between talk pages as you've done? Do you just cut and paste? Thanks. Deadsalmon 22:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/IRC BotI responded to your comments. Sorry for the month-long delay, got carried away with work etc. -- Cat 08:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC) I responded to your comments. Sorry for the month-long delay, got carried away with work etc. -- Cat 08:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
{{Usernameblock}}Hi, I can't help noticing the user MegamanZero's username is an infringement of copyright - not to mention confusing for new users, who might genuinely believe Megaman is editing pages. Could you have a chat with some of your mates and see if you can get a {{Usernameblock}} put on him? Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.152.45 (talk • contribs)
another 'posterHey hey - the much emulated CC strikes again - User:Cool Cat on Frozen Felines --Alf 15:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Need a template to be designedWe have a problem... certain articles (like Cardcaptor Sakura and World War 2) have continuly faced vandilism and POV. What we need is a template that warns the user that the article is senstive to vandilsm and POV and should be read with caution. Perhaps with varations that include advising potential contribaters to consolte the talk pages for advice before contribuating to the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Lemon.... Kawaii!Incredible. it looks like it isn't his first time to screw around with fancruft Mega Man articles. Look at this! What the hell is the author up to? Does he actually think tampering with Mega Man canon is acceptable behaviour? I'm flabbergasted at his antics. -MegamanZero|Talk 20:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC) Template:User wikipediawhy did you rvv my edit there? I rvv:ed it back, according to the ongoing deswitching. →AzaToth 22:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
You don't need to change the image on {{User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit}}, there is a {{User wikipedia/Counter Vandalism Unit (alternative)}} using that image. I go changing the image back to 2.5 again. →AzaToth 18:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Cabal ubI figured you wouldn't mind my fixing the spelling error, but I erred on the side of the holy jihad against people editing other's userspaces. cheers ("denies"). Unless of course it's some Cabal thing I'm not privy to. Avriette 01:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Jimbo Wales user's page This user is very cool. Whiy did you remove this from the page? I thank this is funny.**My Cat inn @ (talk)** 21:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Request for edit summaryWhen editing an article on Misplaced Pages there is a small field labelled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:  The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature. When you leave the edit summary blank, some of your edits could be mistaken for vandalism and may be reverted, so please always briefly summarize your edits, especially when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. – Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 23:50, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Thx for your check on Kurdish peopleThx for your check on Kurdish people You should know that these Yezidi Kurds are faking facts, because they claim that Yezidism is the only true Kurdish faith. Many historicals know that Kurds were once Zoroastrian, at least when only 1% of the Kurds were Zoroastrian why we shouldn't add this information? There are still many Zoroastrians in northern Iraq. --ShapurAriani 12:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Need a template to be designedWe have a problem... certain articles (like Cardcaptor Sakura and World War 2) have continuly faced vandilism and POV. What we need is a template that warns the user that the article is senstive to vandilsm and POV and should be read with caution. Perhaps with varations that include advising potential contribaters to consolte the talk pages for advice before contribuating to the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Yes, but it is stuck in the archive and the template is telling users that the CVU is monitoring this page. Would it be appropate or a more non-baised version is in order? -Dynamo_ace Talk
Hmm... i think this might work: "WARNING: This article has become prone to vandlism and POV and therefore has been known as a senstive article. Potental contributors are advised to consolt the talk page before making additions." How's that?
That won't work, i need something that can be stuck on to the main article to warn anon users (amongst others) to be wary with the article. -Dynamo_ace Talk AdminshipI am requesting that you accept my nomination for you to be an administrator. Do you accept..? -MegamanZero|Talk 18:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
CVUFirstly, I want to apologise for our spat on IRC earlier today. I accept my share of the blame for being intransigent and perhaps a little arrogant. I should not have got as annoyed as I did. On a separate matter (and please trust me that it is separate; I have been considering this for some time), please see this post of mine to the Foundation-l mailing list. Cheers, ] 18:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh My Goddess!I hadn't heard of it before; It does sound interesting though, especially their incorporation of Norse mythology. Anime, Manga, and graphic novels generally are not something I know much about. What I've seen and read I've usually liked. The page isn't on my watch list; I run Lupin's anti-vandal tool and sometimes hit 'Rollback' by mistake. Tom Harrison 22:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC) Thanks againThanks again and my most sincere apologies for my newbie ways. My innocence was my only guide. Thank you for your patience and help, you truly are worthy to be an admin and I hope it works out.--The great grape ape is straight out of the know 01:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC) "Aegean crisis" articleHi, I think you were one of the contributors to Aegean crisis, right? If you're interested, please see my note on the talk page there. Thanks. Lukas 13:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi CoolCat, I don't know if you've been monitoring Aegean dispute at all since our discussion the other day. I've done a pretty large rewrite now, basically from scratch, which is now almost finished in its general outlines. Needs some filling in still. Would you mind having a look? Your {{POV}} tag is still standing; I think it's time we either removed it or started to talk what else should change. Lukas 20:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC) CVU stuffHeya CC, I don't think we've spoken before. After speaking up today regarding the membership issue at the CVU page, it has belatedly occurred to me that one or two of the things I've said in my discussions there could possibly be seen by you as a criticism of the work you've done at CVU. If so, please know that isn't true, that's not what I've meant and not what I was trying to convey. You've obviously put in a great deal of work, and as I've said many times today, I found the information gathered there to be a great resource as I was learning to fight vandalism properly. I do certainly have an opinion about how the group could be improved, but that's just an opinion, and in no way reflects on you or the work you have done. I appreciate that work, and I hope you will jump into some of the conversation going on on the talk page there today. Your input would be especially welcome, I'm sure. Thanks --Krich (talk) 21:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
End of competetionCool Cat, we need to end this competetion...Its obvious you can't match odd edits like this, so can we please start judging now..? :) -Zero 21:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
TheftYes, I'll steal it. But if it happened when you were expecting it, that wouldn't be theft! :-D --Tony Sidaway|Talk 00:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Odd message left on my talkpage left by a fellow Mega Man fanEven though the odd edit competetion is over, I thought you might get a laugh or two out of this: () -Zero 19:17, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Merhaba Türk Dostu :)Bizim için bizden fazla savaşıyorsun. Seni yürekten tebrik ediyorum. Çok teşekkürler. I love you Cool Cat, please keep your good work! --Alperen 11:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC) Oh My Goddess templateI set up a possible replacement for this template at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox. It essentially adds an extra parameter to the template call (|if=) to copy the 'if defined call2' template logic out to the Oh My Goddess template itself. In the examples below the top line is the current version and the bottom how it would be called in the replacement (blank spaces are inserted just to line up common elements): {{if defined call2|{{{Image1| }}}| Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic/Image|{{{Image1}}}| {{{Caption1}}} }}
{{{if {{{Image1| }}}|{{Oh My Goddess Infobox-Generic/Image|{{{Image1}}}| {{{Caption1}}} }} }}}
Please take a look at my sandbox link above and consider whether this is a viable option. I think that once you look at it the 'if' parameter is just as understandable as 'if defined call2', indeed the two formats are very similar. However, making this change would help to retire Template:If defined call2, and the Template:If defined call and Template:Void templates which it depends on. Primary reason for doing that is to discourage further use of these conditional templates, which could lead to server load problems. If this change is ok with you let me know and I will help convert the articles over... can add the |if= parameter to all existing articles and then switch the template itself to make the change seamless. --CBD ☎ 16:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC) Oh My Goddess!Please do not blank sections. Thank you. -- Cat 20:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Comments by MuhamedI am an anti Turk-Mongol propaganda in Misplaced Pages !!!!!! understand you now —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhamed (talk • contribs)
Kurdistan CategoryHi, Please notice that the Kurdistan term is officially recognized in Iraq/Iran. However, I do understand your view on the Kurdish inhabited areas of Turkey, since the term Kurdistan isnot recognized there. Please kindly leave the Kurdistan category in the Kurdish areas inside Iraq/Iran unchanged. Thanks.Heja Helweda 07:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Why are precise boundaries required in this context? Still, presumably there is fairly strong precision on Iraqi Kurdistan, and there may be similar areas in neighboring Iran but I'm not an expert on the region. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC) Re:Image:Wiki-halo.pngHi, regarding the image, I recently sent a message to Angela, and adknowledgement is still pending at this time. — TheKMan 17:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC) AGF userboxHi, your input would be appreciated over at Template talk:User AGF. Thanks — TheKMan 18:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC) Kurdistan category
Heja Helweda 19:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Your forced vacation is now in effectEnjoy your requested 5 day forced wikibreak. ALKIVAR™
I noticed your rant section, you may want to take a look at mine and we can chear each other up. Or at the very least start a support group: "Annoyed wikipedians" :P -- Cat 22:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC) This might interest you.It appears that a a checkuser request has been made due to some sockpuppetry occurring at WP:AGF. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Sockpuppetry_at_WP:AGF I see that you are on a break, but thought to mention the matter anyway since you deserve to know about it sooner rather than later. I have nothing invested in the argument- I just happened to see it at the Admins' Noticeboard. Slainté, P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 08:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Image talk:Winged logo.gifI just noticed your comments there, I am not going to bother responding there. I find your overal ownership of the hole thing annoying. In anycase I have no strength left to offer any resistance to anyone as I am pounded by a large number of users now. Sockpuppets and trolls are given a higher respect than myself. this post here has no reason. Since I dont even know why I am telling all this to you. -- Cat 22:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
"Aegean dispute" againHi Cool Cat, I left a lengthy reply to your comments on the talk page for Aegean dispute, but I now see you seem to be under a lot of Wikistress about other issues, so I guess you might not have much energy left for that one right now. We can let that discussion wait, of course. Or do you know of somebody else who might be interested in joining that page and monitor POV from a Turkish perspective? Take care, Lukas 23:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
rfaAccept it. -Zero 16:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
TestPer your request. Essjay talk 22:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I can't see ImagesCoolcat, I have been away from my Computer for nearly a month because I was on my summer vacation and now I can only view images when I click on the high res. link on the images. When viewing pages there is just a blank box. Did some wikipedian policy change or something? Thanks Hamedog 04:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC). Could you please reply on my talk too?
HiYou seem to be rather upset, and I think that as your mentor I need to think for you and act in your best interests. I've removed your RFA because you clearly don't seriously expect to be made an administrator on this occasion. Could we talk online? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Link dead on your user pageHello! You have this paragraph on your user page: "Do realise that vandalising Misplaced Pages is a very bad idea. Brian Chase was forced to resign from his job because of the mounting pressure all because of vandalising a wikipedia page. He was also mocked on the New York Times as well as CNN." The CNN word links to: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/11/wikipedia.ap/index.html, link which is dead. HTH. --Vlad 02:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC) MARMOTI see. Them let's get to the root of the problem. What do you think is MARMOT's fasination (ie. Obsessision) with harrasssing you...? I find it odd that this user contributes such a unhealthy amount of time and energy tormenting you. -Zero 15:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Your RfAMy interactions with you in the past have always been quite good. Please take this in the spirit it is intended, which is friendly, and to help you. I think you should consider withdrawing your RfA. I am personally concerned that you are treating the RfA as an affirmation of a job well done on Misplaced Pages. This is not what it is for. I am mostly concerned that the RfA is not going to go well, and that it will cause you to leave Misplaced Pages. Yet, the reasons it will not go well have nothing to do with your value as an editor. Please see my latest comment on the RfA and decide if letting the RfA run is really in your best interests. What is it about being an admin that you really, really want to be able to do but can not due right now as a non-admin? --Durin 16:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Such powers won't give you the respect and knowlage needed to help protect Misplaced Pages, listen to a good friend, power isn't everything.By trying to seek such powers such as adminship on a case of that you are not fit to have such powers, you are essently causing Anakin Skywalker syndrome! Stick to what you do best and leave such powers in the most responsable hands. I leave that as my opion, it is up to you to decide. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Best wishesfor your RfA. I have faith in you.--ViolinGirl 18:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC) User:Cool_Cat/ImpersonatorsDo two make the list? --Adam1213 Talk + 00:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
People voting opposeYou said "There shouldn't be any reason why people are voting oppose". Yet, you also say "I will no longer honor any rules or policies on wikipedia so long as there are double standards". Surely you can see why someone would vote against you when you are carrying that sort of opinion at this time? You are very angry right now, and very upset with Misplaced Pages. This is not an attitude that is going to encourage people to vote for you. I said it before, and I'll repeat it here; if the consequence of a failed RfA is you leaving Misplaced Pages, then you're committing wiki-suicide. Your RfA is failing, and will fail. Given your current mindset, it's hard for people to be sympathetic to your situation. --Durin 13:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
GraphWill do. Give me a few minutes. --Durin 13:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Don't throw your toys out of the pram!You are starting to lose it again! Just because you can't get your way doesn't mean you can't throw your toys out of the pram! Look at me, i would like to impose restrictions on numorous anon vandals who have been either vandalism for the sake of it or just want to unbalance some of the most senstive articles know on Misplaced Pages, but i can't and nor do i want too, because that could make me an unbalanced wikipedian, so i follow procedure and hope that justice is dealt. You don't have to deal in senstive areas, just deal in areas which you know you can accomplish without problem. -Dynamo_ace Talk
How exactly then do you follow the procdure, i put all vandels on a 3 strike system, with each vandal attack i detect scoring that user a strike. Strike 1, they get an general anon warning, strike 2, they get a general signed warning, and then strike 3, and then they get reported. Maybe it is how you are warning users that may be the problem -Dynamo_ace Talk
Then maybe the category is too senstive for your liking and you might not have all the facts needed to enforce it properly. I'm not trying to insult you or anything, but you must know when functions end. Combating vandlism is one of them. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Then maybe you have to wait until a sutible soultion can be achieved by the community. We are all in this togther, and our enemy is the vandals who try to destroy the only fresh resource that is reachable by nearly everyone on the world. You still have a place here, i mean we are still waiting for an up to date audio version of Ah!My goddess! and its respective articles.So don't let people get you down or they will think they have won and drive you out, believe me, i have had this on me before. -Dynamo_ace Talk
WP:RRPWould you consider staying at Misplaced Pages if you were granted rollback privileges? --TantalumTelluride 20:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Reply from sannseHi Cool Cat. I'm sorry for the slow reply, I've been off-wiki. I've read all you wrote on my talk page, and I can certainly see why you are feeling fed-up with Misplaced Pages at the moment. I wish I could help, I really do. Certainly, from what you say about the ban from #wikipedia, I would have protested and probably removed that - but that's not very helpful to say now. As far as I am concerned, you are a welcome member of the channel, and MARMOT is not. On the categories, I won't second guess your mentor - but I will say this: it's sometimes very, very difficult for us to edit in areas of Misplaced Pages that we really care about. I know you don't want to hear any suggestion that you should stay away from that subject, but I think it's important to acknowledge that it will always be difficult for you to edit there. There will always be people who feel you are pushing a POV, and you will always have to fight your own preconceptions and firm ideas to find the neutrality needed. I couldn't find the problem with the CVU and RFA, but I think that this is a wider problem anyway. RfA is certainly not an ideal process - none of our processes are really. How we change that, or even if we can change that, I just don't know. As I was saying on IRC before we got cut off - you have built up your reputation from your troubled early days. You haven't totally overcome them, because Wikipedian have horribly long memories, but you have come a long way. Whether it's possible to totally overcome those initial problems is impossible to say, I don't think I've ever seen it done I'm sad to say. But that doesn't mean you are not a valued and valuable member of this project. So I really hope that thinks improve for you on Misplaced Pages and that you get back to enjoying it. And please don't burn your bridges, it's better to take time off and recover your breath than to get angry and make it impossible to return. You do some good work, and are someone I want to see stick around. -- sannse (talk) 22:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC) Do not think of leaving...You nominated your self and apperently what you said for that RFA caused it to fail.... If you had not of done that you would of become an admin. Make some edits appologising about it and change how you express your self on it (still put forward your ideas but say it differntly...) Also extend the amount of time that you will stay on wikipedia to longer than a year. --Adam1213 Talk + 04:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC) More to life.Why all the concern about "rc patrolling"? Haven't you got more interesting things to do? THere are plenty of people running around doing that already. This is an encyclopedia. You don't need to be an administrator to edit. Furthermore, if you watch a few hundred pages, even a thousand or more, you can revert instances of vandalism or errant users simply enough with administrative tools. It's easy enough for somebody else to block if it needs to happen, but I think once you remove yourself from the politics that you won't find it to be as much of an issue. Regardless. Good luck, and try to destress a little. Avriette 04:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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Template:Main articleDon't revert again. There is a SPECIFIC REASON why that template is the way it is, so that we can convert Template:Main articles over to it. If a specific page looks incorrect, then fix it... someone is probably just mistaken about how to use it. -- Netoholic @ 19:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Articles that currently use Template:Main are being converted to Template:Main article/Template:Main articles. You don't need to do a thing, just stop reverting what you don't understand. -- Netoholic @ 20:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikiholism and MetaI can see you have spent a lot of effort gathering the texts on Wikiholism to Meta. I can see no point in doing that, as most articles in the Misplaced Pages projects do have wikilinks to cover the need to find an article in another language. Why should Wikiholism be treated otherwise? (It's not like the election documents, which in some way were official documents from the board of trustees.) RaSten 08:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Next time you try to force the french wikipedia to move such pages to meta against their will, you'll be blocked. Each project is free to decide what to do with such pages. Please do not mix with other projects habits. Make the move to meta if you wish, but do NOT impose english habits on other languages (in short, do not impose moving the pages over there). Thanks in advance. Anthere 22:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Kurds of SyriaHi Cool Cat. I just now saw that you have put thet POV tag on the article: Kurds of Syria. It is quite possible that the page still be one sided as you have mentioned there. But please say which parts in the article is so. I will be glad if you do so. I want the article to be a neutral one. Thank you very much Mesopotamia 15:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
So it's True?So you're leaving us officially now? Shame. You'll be missed! --D-Day 22:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC) If it is about that anon vandal who likes to leave unproven personal attacks, then i have ignored him. Your just not trying to cool down, instead you are going back into "fights" that you can not win in any case. You need to focus on areas which can make a difference without disruption. And there is still lots of work to do. But if you just want to fade away, fair enougth, i won't comment nor weep... but i will miss you. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Goodbye Cool catYou were may favourite wikipedian. --Hamedog 22:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC) Hi, sorry to see you go! Thanks for all your work (it was loads!) and all the best! --JoanneB 00:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC) I enjoyed working with you, your departure saddens me but I understand. Thank you for the help, advice and support you gave me. --Alf 10:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC) Perseving the dream!As you have said that you want to be alone, so be it! But if you need someone, i am here. I have posted a message on the Oh! My goddess! talk page about the postion for a spoken word version of the respective articles become vacant again. If anyone is intrested please go to Talk:Oh My Goddess!. And i will perseve these pages so that vandels won't gloat about your departure from wikipedia. Goodbye Cool Cat, you will be missed. -Dynamo_ace Talk
What do you mean? Do you mean take ANN's info and place it into Kikuko Inoue or the other way round. Just want to make sure. -Dynamo_ace Talk
I would love to, but it seems my talk and user page is overloaded i think, i keep on having a fatal error. Any way to solve this? -Dynamo_ace Talk
Thank you very much! Now to enchance Kikuko Inoue page. -Dynamo_ace Talk Hmm... the infomation on ANN is not in chronical order but there is a bit i can use to enchance the article. As for all the roles she has been in, some of the roles she have done are only minor, adding them or a nearly every single apperarance may not go down well with other users because they are only minor and not significant apperances or the page could get overloaded if all her apperances are listed. Therefore, i have included a IMDB link for now, and await your suggestions for improvement. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Image Tagging Image:Star of life.gif
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Good riddance old boyGlad to see you go. This is great news for the project. Erwin
is it really true?hey man. you were one of the best. why did you go?? --84.56.56.103 16:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
FebruarycommunityI regret the way the community appears to be treating you. There was a fairly long time in which I misjudged you, and while there may be a few issues where we still probably don't see eye-to-eye (e.g. Userboxes), I am glad we took the time to talk on IRC and were able to work constructively on things. There are some things the community is struggling with, and the well may be partly poisoned -- however you decide I wish you well. Take care. --Improv 04:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Replacing images on ViP subpagesYou're replacing the images on ViP subpages for particular vandals with the CVU image. Any reason? It just seemed odd when I noticed you doing it. —Matthew Brown (T:C) 16:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
image edits to vandal profilesWhy are you doing this? Did I miss an important discussion regarding these pages? — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 16:50, Feb. 1, 2006
HelpHey, you have helped me before and I was wondering if you could help me out here. I wanted to start a page that would be an anti vandalism page. (Like the Counter-Vandalism Unit). I started a page that explained what it was and when the page would be operative. An admin deleted it and told me to put in on the village pump. I couldnt find a place in the village pump to place my page construction. Could you help me. (if what i said is confusing, then tell me and I will try to make it easier, because I think i didnt explain this clearly enough) Thanks --Activision45 00:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
RfAHaving expressed strong opposition to my first nomination you may wish to comment on my second. HiHi, I noticed your interaction on User talk:Anthere, and also your creation of a joke category (Sock puppets of George W. Bush) and some joke notices on User:George W. Bush and User:☺♥§¡¡PhüçGèõrgëW.Bûsh!‼!♀♪►☻. I've reverted the joke noticed and deleted the category. No harm done, but please don't play that game again. Could you explain what happened on the other wikis? What parts were you trying to move to meta? I'm asking this as your mentor, so please take this as a semi-official query on behalf of the English Misplaced Pages. If people on other wikis are getting upset at you, they would expect us, as the people who know you best, to play a part in resolving any problems. --Tony Sidaway 11:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
My belief is that it is either Davenbelle or Karl Meier (who I know is active on nl wiki) or it is some other individual I never met stalking me interwiki. And for THAT I get block threats. I also noticed the french campaigning against my move/me while preparing the evidence. -- Cat 11:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
May I add that I find very peculiar that Cool Cat feels allowed to change these pages without consulting the local communities first, even re-reverting after he has been reverted in two occasions (es: and fr:), yet gets angry with his opponents for reverting him on other wikis than their own? I also find his remarks here and here to sound like he has very little feeling for community. "It should not bring a lot of stress - I did a lot of work on this, it should just be blanked - do what you want with the page, you're causing me unnecessary stress". As for Anthere threatening to block you: Doing an edit then reverting it does sound like trying to 'force' to me. Your mileage may vary, but just realize that in many non-English Wikipedias there is much resistance against (real or imagined) 'imperialism' from en:. Barging in and make changes because you like them when others don't is not going to increase your popularity. Addition: The block threat was based on a message to me on the wikipedia-l list, see here and here. Anthere reacted here, apparently hearing of them for the first time and getting quite enraged. - Andre Engels 13:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
ThanksThanks for the tip, if i'm on IRC anytime soon, i'll head into that channel. I have a question for you, but i'll wait a bit. I need advice from outside Misplaced Pages on it first. Karmafist 12:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
How's it going...?Hello Cool Cat. I am so estatic to see you decided to stay with us, and I'm happy you seem to have calmed down. I hope that you continue to remain in the wikipedian community, and I know that many would hate to see your departure. Please drop by my talkpage and talk if there's anything bothering you. -Zero 21:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
CVU logosWhy are you opposing the CVU logos?
In reading this I thought of Trademark and . The point is that the customer or user is best served when not mislead. I have no opinion as to what extent the logos and their uses mislead or not, but in my opinion that is the issue. WAS 4.250 20:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC) Questionable.Just a heads up-- I'm questioning the concept of declaring war on vandals on the mailing list. Thanks for the constructive criticism you left on my talk page; it's always edifying to learn about other people's concerns. --The Cunctator 00:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Bot features/functionsRather than clutter up your talk page, I've created User_talk:Cool_Cat/bots It might no be complete yet, but it's a start. If you wanted more detail on particular parts, let me know. --pgk 08:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC) The bots files are indexed files, so I can directly access the data based on the "key" value. Python implements this quite easily and maintains a fair memory cache of recently accessed items, so it's a pretty quick to get to any item we know the key for. --pgk 07:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC) Re: Requesting assistanceHi, well removing local copies of files on commons is generaly a bit of a cumbersome process (wich is probably why it has such a gigantic backlog) on acount of the requirement of preserving the file history for GFDL compliance. However these images seem straight forward enough, public domain and uploaded by you both places, so sure I can help you get rid of the duplicates, I'll get to work on the ones you orphanded with the 3 edits you listed on my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 15:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
User Page award Congratulations, とある白い猫/Archive/2006! Your user page has been nominated for the Esperanza User Page Award! Five judges will look over your user page and award it 1-10 points in four categories:
But first, you must be chosen as a finalist. If your user page is chosen as one of the five finalists, you'll have the chance to win an award created just for having a great user page! More information can be found on this page. smurrayinchester 18:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC) Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officersI want to achieve what I am doing there with 25 in one template. Ideas?
I'll let you take a look at it and then toss ideas. -- Cat 01:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Looks nice. Sorry I couldn't be more help working it out. --CBD ☎ 22:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I modified your template to handle both officers and enlisted at User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox4. That calls various other pages in my userspace... mostly copies of your 'OF/1', 'OF/2', et cetera modified to accept 'OF' or 'OR' as part of the parameters passed in rather than hard-coding 'OF'. However, I also changed 'OF/N' (User:CBDunkerson/Sandbox2) to just display the text passed to it... which defaults to the No Equivalent contents of your 'OF/D'... since this can handle the effects of 'OF/0', 'OF/D', 'OF/N', and various unique text which is displayed I used it for all of those conditions and don't call the other templates. I also added an 'OF/3' at User:CBDunkerson/Transition to handle side by side display of multiple insignias the way they are shown in the enlisted tables. Currently only handles two (a & b), but a third can be added for the few cases which have 'c' insignias. --CBD ☎ 01:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC) ImagesHi Cool Cat, no problem at all! Just tell me what you need. By the way, I was also about to write to you. I was appointed admin in Misplaced Pages Malay two days ago and wanted to introduce all these awards in Misplaced Pages Malay portal. I wonder whether it would be possible to use templates to actually define the award, eg. "Best Article for March 2006" and stuff like that so that the actual number of logos used can be kept down. I will try to learn up a vector program so that the images will turn out better than the last one. Regards. — PM Poon 08:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC) Hi Cool Cat, I have tried one sample before I proceed with the rest. I wonder whether you found the original image a little too dark; I almost missed the four flowers in DM-Army-OF9.gif. I have removed the white background and brightened the image. The edge is jagged because the two sides are slant and this is a gif image. The only way to overcome this is to make both edge straight. I didn't quite get what you mean by "Standardise images in one theme". Can you elaborate or give an illustration? — PM Poon 15:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC) Hi Cool Cat, I have removed the white backgrounds for the 14 images. How do you want me to upload it as I do not seem to be able to replace the original images in Wikimedia Commons. — PM Poon 23:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Dick UserboxHi Cool Cat, would you consider removing the following from your userpage? ''']''' | style="font-size: 8pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em;" | This user supports '''circumcision''' of ''']''' on ''']'''.
I haven't asked anyone else but you, Cool Cat. I should have stated Jimbo's appeal, located at the top of his talk page: "I wonder if you might consider simply removing your political/religious/etc. userboxes and asking others to do the same." Thanks, Gchriss 19:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I think the policy is fine (except for perhaps a name change), but the first impression I had of your userpage is that you think Dick Cheney acts like a dick. Perhaps not what you intended, but some people can become touchy over politics. I will leave this to your decision. Thanks, Gchriss 19:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Image talk:Katar.jpgI replied there. – Quadell 21:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC) Glorifying vandalsI'm a little confused at a few of your recent edits. You removed the vandal 'logos' (for lack of better word) from various Vandalism in progress pages, such as this edit to MARMOT's page. Your reasoning for this was "lets not glorify vandals", which I agree with. However, you then added a vandal 'logo' to {{NCV}} in this edit. It seems to me that what is vandal-glorifying on one page is certainly vandal-glorifying on hundreds of user pages. // Pathoschild (admin / ) 17:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Participant alert regarding Wikiproject on AdvertisingThe Wikiproject No Ads, created as a backlash against the Answers.com deal, has served an important function in providing a space for users to express their disagreement with the Foundation proposal. While the current controversies about userboxes raise questions about political and social advocacy on Misplaced Pages, there should be greater flexibility regarding advocacy about Misplaced Pages in the Misplaced Pages namespace. Reported and linked by Slashdot and other press sources as a unique and spontaneous occurence in Misplaced Pages history, it has apparently had some impact as, despite being scheduled to begin in January, not a peep has been heard about the trial and proposed sponsored link since the deal's controversial announcement months ago. Currently, however, there is an attempt to delete the project or move it off Misplaced Pages altogether. Since the Foundation has provided no additional information and has not attempted to answer the specific questions that participants in the project raised, it is unclear if the Answers.com deal has been abandoned or simply delayed. Until the situation becomes more clear, I believe the group should still have a place in the Misplaced Pages namespace. Sincerely, Tfine80 23:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Starfleet ranks and insigniaSOS! Help us out :P -- Cat 15:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Don't worry: it's on my to-do list. I anticipate getting around to the relevant articles in the next few days. I hope that's OK. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I am emmensly impressed. The expansion and new rank tables are very neat. Beware of original research, though. A few of the enlisted ranks have never been talked about in the show and should be considered fan conjecture. Other than that...very nice job! -Husnock 00:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuro-RPG says yes.Hello. I was sent an email asking for permission to use the ranksets on Kuro-RPG for Misplaced Pages use, and I hereby give permission for their use here. Also, don't be afraid to check up on the website for updates. Sometimes I may be unhappy with the design of one of the templates, and I wish to "update" it. (Which also includes TOS and TMP ranksets, since they are due for an update) Sincerely, Kuro-chan.
Regarding the Best User Page ProjectLet us try an experiment. Until further notice, the voting system will be open, using the method described in the Guidelines. This will make us understand how reliable the current system is and whether the project has a real possibility to expand into hundrends of users or not. All users are encounaged to display the {{BestUserPage}} banner on their User Page. All members all encouraged to display the {{BUP}} banner in their User Page, and also notify that the project has started. We will refer to the votes for this first session as "March 2006" in the archive. Federico Pistono ✆ ✍ 19:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Happy Valentine's day! Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and IrelandPlease do not blank a page and copy contents to another. Instead use the move button. We want to keep histories of articles. :) -- Cat 21:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Image:St1AdPic.jpgHi. I'm very surprised at your removal of the tag. In what way have I gone against policy? I have tagged the image as possibly unfree and listed it on the relevant page for discussion by the wider community. The tag directs attention to the discussion allowing more people to participate. The JPS 00:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
tempsThanks a lot for creating a temp replacement for Devil's Due (TNG episode)--it's now in place as the article. By the way, it would be helpful in such cases if you could make a note at WP:CP, since we sometimes miss them (though we try our best not to). Thanks. Chick Bowen 02:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Proposed policyAs the founder of CVU, I thought you might be interested in the amendment to the blocking policy I proposed. Check it out! —BorgHunter (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you..For telling me about the suspission thing. I am not the infiltrating kinda person, or a vandal to say. --Auburnfan4 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Auburnfan4
User:Admin inclusionsYou may want to keep that account blocked. Any username with "admin" in it is misleading. -- Cat 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Ya...I know that new commers need to earn trust, so they might not do things, like you said. Thank you for your help. --Auburnfan4 00:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)Auburnfan4 edit commentsplease try to use edit comments. you are editing pages i watch, and it's a pain to go and have to see each change. edit summaries help me spend less time going over my watchlist. aa v 05:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Edit of Kikuko InoueI'd appreciate if you'd abide by the request at the top of that page: don't edit it while I'm doing so. I've reverted your edits.--nihon 23:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
KawaiiThere is a person or two who wants to move this page elsewhere or perhaps try to get it deleted if they fail this. Thought youd want to know and perhaps voice an opinion. -- Cat 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
hey, care to contribute here? :) -- Cat 21:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Actualy there were two other images that were recently removed. Feel free to contribute to the article. :) -- Cat 21:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, it started as a young women movement, then spreaded practicaly everywhere else... Random "criticism" w/o citation can go (as you removed) :) -- Cat 12:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
No problemThanks for the read. John Smith's 17:57, 17 February 2006 (UTC) Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/KawaiiThanks for mentioning this to me when we chatted. I agree that we shouldn't mess with good articles like this--and there is a huge keep consensus. --Tony Sidaway 04:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
ProposalOk, thanks for the heads up. I have been gone for awhile, but I have managed to write up the Anti VAndalism Proposal. User:Activision45/proposal Tell me what I should add, take away. Or what I should do next. Im not to talented at wikipedia still. So if your willing to help me, I would very much appreciate it. If your too busy to help me, then tell me, I understand. :) Thanks --Activision45 04:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Hello from Philipo Image:Philpo.jpg 17:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)I just love what you've done with the place. The new carpet is to die for! Anyways, toodles poops. - San Philipo Formal notice of Breach of arbitration remedyYour edit in this diff shows that you have breached the arbitration decision by restructuring a talk page (remedy 4, "Coolcat prohibited from restructuring"). I've asked the person reporting this to notify the breach on WP:AN/I where action may be taken, including a block. If you persist, you will certainly be blocked, possibly by me. If things get out of hand I will completely ban you from editing the article and its talk page. Please reconsider your obstructive and hostile approach toward others in the discussion on this page. I am patient, but I won't suffer any nonsense. --Tony Sidaway 19:03, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry!Im so sorry to hear that! I hope you feel better! :) --Activision45 21:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC) USER Heja Helweda IS VERY PROBLAMATIC AND ONLY PLACES POV AND FALSE INFOShe actually verifies things through bad sources and is selective and has managed to high jack several articles with POV and untrue information. She also tries to portray Kurdistan as a Country and is re-invesnting Kurdish history. Here and her group disgard are relavant info in the discussion page and basically say it is a democratic vote each time to someone with scholarly information. There are editing wars and she has clearly showed she is very biased and a fabricater of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.139.250 (talk • contribs) Image Tagging for Image:Turkish_Armed_Forces.gifThanks for uploading Image:Turkish_Armed_Forces.gif. The image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to indicate why we have the right to use the image on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the image qualifies under Misplaced Pages's fair use guidelines, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you want the image to be deleted, tag it as {{db-unksource}}. If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you have any concerns, contact the bot's owner: Carnildo. 11:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Edition of Zaza PeopleMerhaba Cool Cat, en:Zaza people sayfasini kontrol edebilir misin? Bazi kisiler kaynak gostermeden makaleyi keyiflerine gore degistiriyor. Senin koydugun uyariyi da silmisler. --Daraheni 20:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC) Template:Oh My Goddess ExtlinkPlease discuss at Talk:Oh My Goddess!. - Brian Kendig 20:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what idea you're saying I "sit well with". What I would like to see is: (1) list the official site and no more than one fan site on Oh My Goddess!, Oh My Goddess! (manga), Oh My Goddess! (OVA), and other high-level articles; (2) remove all official site and fan site listings from articles about individual characters or episodes (unless you have a link to a page specifically about that character or episode); (3) remove the template, since any links which would have to be changed often enough to require a template are most definitely not the sorts of links which belong in Misplaced Pages. As this is an issue which is not limited to the three of us, please continue to discuss this at Talk:Oh My Goddess! rather than copying the discussion to user pages. - Brian Kendig 22:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! -- Cat 17:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat templateI need your assistance. I'm currently attemptig to revise Template:Oh My Goddess Extlnk similar to Template:Imdb name, in that we can swith out varible sspecific URL's for each character, but I cannot seem to achieve this. Perhaps you can help. -Zero 18:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Another award
Idea for WikicityI have an idea for a Wikicity called Fanficpedia (An alternative title could be Fandompedia) The idea is this, why don't we have a wikipedia style enclopeida for fandom. It would contian articles on fanfic series, charathers, and general fandom terms and sites. For example, there could be article on my Morpan fanfic series, complete with seperate articles for its charathers. It will all be non-baised. The reason behind such a project is that only the most popular and well known fandom articles are allowed on Misplaced Pages. To prevent having minor fandom based articles from poping up on Misplaced Pages only to have them being removed due to them being "vanity" pages (which happened before with Wookiepedia, and eventally lead to the creation of such a wikicity to give such articles its place) So, what do you think, does such a project need to exist? If you have questions, let me know. If you like it and can think you can help create a statment to submit to wikicites, let me know as well. There is also a test area where you can show off some examples, so if you need me to show some examples off, i can create some. -Dynamo_ace Talk
OK, i understand you pefer cannon to alternative work, but how about a genreal fandom repostrioy for all those fandom users to submit unbaised enclopedia articles of their work, all in one place for refrence? Because only the best fandom related material gets on Misplaced Pages and i don't think anyone would like a repeat purge of "vainty like" artices because of it. -Dynamo_ace Talk
OK, but i might not be able to do a statment for wikicities propley, can you help out with that? I don't mind if you don't -Dynamo_ace Talk
Winged logo Hi again, I finally got around to editing the winged logo. I went ahead and did it in the .gif format (no anti-aliasing, but a .png version is also available) and uploaded it over the old one on commons. I hope you like it, but if you don't, I'm open to suggestions, or feel free to revert it. — TheKMan 23:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
{{Wdefcon}}Hello! Regarding the {{Wdefcon}} template and the suggestions from the recent TfD that it should be shrunk... I have posted my solution suggestion on it's talk page. Since you are technically the "owner" of the template, I'd be happy with your opinion on this matter. Thank you. Misza13 20:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC) Iranian peoplesMerhaba, There is a dispute ongoing in the article Iranian peoples. Some Pan-Iranist users are changing the defintion of Iranian peoples (an unknown and not widely used term) from its linguistic meaning to linguistic, cultural and racial issues. According to their wrong defintion many people are labelled as Iranian, including parts of Turkish population. If you have time and are interested in the issue I ask you to join the discussion. Thank you very much. Diyako Talk + 22:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, Since long ago there was a dispute on this article, the first time I saw it shoked, never heard of such a strange definition, everytime I asked for sources they rejected, so that i became suspecious, and after a while realized that the article is original research! I suggested merging or redirecting it with page Iranian languages or demographics of Iran. The term Iranian peoples by itself in 99,9999% or almost 100% is used for people who live inside Iran not those who live outside Iran.
Thank you again. Diyako Talk + 23:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The AMG templateWhat do you intend for the completed template to be? If you want it to be static links to fansite home pages, then that's not appropriate, and I still feel the template should be removed. If you want it to be page-specific links from specific articles to individual pages on fan sites, then that's what Zero and I are discussing on Talk:Oh My Goddess! - please join in our discussion there. If you want it to be something else, please explain. - Brian Kendig 23:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Actually, you're covering some ground that Zero and I already discussed - let's take this to Talk:Oh My Goddess!. I'll post a comment there shortly to explain. - Brian Kendig 00:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC) Award from Dynamo_ace
MarchMore anti-Iranian attacksAl-Khwarizmi this article is being reverted without any dispute actually discussed in the talk page, there is clear evidence that this guy was born in Persia at the time, and by many sources he is a Persian. Instead, Anti-Iranians and Pro-Islam and whatnot editors are trying to change this identity to 'Muslim', just because Arabs ruled Persia at the time, but he was infact not even a Muslim! his religion was Zoroastrianism, all these have been discussed in the talk page, instead of accepting or rejecting this, edit wars are taking place, on both this and other articles mentioned in User_talk:ManiF#Iranian_watchdog.. things are starting to get out of hand. I'd appreciate if you could keep an eye out or do something about it. --Kash 14:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
BatmanHi Cool Cat, I saw you deleted the references to Kurds on Batman,_Turkey. I'm not very knowledgable on the subject, but according to the BBC Batman does have a predominantly Kurdish population. I think that should be mentioned somehow in the article.--Hippalus 16:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Category:Kurdistan and User:MuhamedIs this really ok? He tags articles at random with the category. See the category (although I recently removed turkish provinces) it is still over loaded with stuff not remotely relevant to kurdistan such as a restourant in germany. -- Cat 17:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Turkce Misplaced PagesTekrar merhaba Cool Cat, Turkce Misplaced Pages'da tr:Zazaca ve tr:Zazalar makaleleri edit edilememektedir. Buna bu konuda yardimci olabilir misin? Cunku anladigim kadari ile belli bir siyasi grup, Zazalar ile ilgili kaynak gostermeden kendi siyasal goruslerini yazmislar ve aciklama gostermeden makaleyi kilitlemisler. Zaten hic aciklama yapilmadan kilitlenmesi ve kaynak gosterilmeden yazi yazilmasi Misplaced Pages kurallarina aykiri. Saglicakla kal. --Daraheni 06:18, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
the botok fair enough, i suppose its not really a big thing but i do prefer pgkbot providing just the differnce link because with the double link yours posts every time it can make my screen harder to follow simply because i may have to scroll back further. i also like pgkbots greylist although i realise we can switch that on without the need to turn everything on. (i know it operates on chanel 2 but theres just no conversation there) Benon 23:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Kurdistan categoryWhat do you think of removing this category? Here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kash (talk • contribs)
My RfA Thank you for your support in my request for adminship. I'm delighted that the RfA succeeded with a final consensus of 52/17/7, and receiving comments including having 'excellent potential to become a great moderator', and I am now an administrator. It did however only just pass, and I shall do my very best to rectify any of my errors, including the general belief that I should do more article work. If you have any concerns, or if you ever feel that I may be able to help you, please feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Again, thank you! Ian13/talk 19:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)IRCCare to tag along on #wikipedia-en-vandalism on freenode? :) -- Cat 21:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you!Just came across your comments regarding the deletion of "Genetic origins of the Kurds" and it's refreshing that someone else can also clearly see that this obsession with race and genetics is nothing but old school racism draped in scientific jargon. I thought I was the only one around here who was disturbed by this bizarre attitude. Humans are not animals, and yet this sick and narrow worldview that the Nazis and other genocidal maniacs subscribed to still persists in this day and age - only now it's acceptable since the scientific community is so accepting of it. These are the sort of people who love to discuss "mixing" and "interbreeding" on and on (again, treating humans as animals - and if they're non-European, all the better). But wait, didn't the Nazis rant and rave the very same way? Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your comments and it's good to see another truly human being here on WP. SouthernComfort 07:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC) Growing tired of User:Diyako and User:Heja helwedaI am growing tired of this kind of edit behaviour and am considering arbitration. What do you think? I do not believe we (you/me/others) need to clean up this kind of mess as wikipedians should have the learning curve to at least attempt writing neutraly... -- Cat 04:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat "What are you looking at?"I've noticed the insertion of your faied rfa's recently. Are you okay..? I know you're dissapointed, but keep your head up. I'm sure things will turn around eventually. -Zero 16:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
{{Kurdistan-stub}}Thank you for your assistance in the rationale that gotten rid of this stub cat. I was wondering if you could assist me on several articles related to kurds. I'll summarise the general picture. There are several rebelions portrayed as independent (and failed) nations. At least one of these "nations" lasted only 2 months... An example is kingdom of Kurdistan. There are lots of problematic edits such as this one: Category:Kurdistan is being used to tag random provinces. Basicaly people are drawing the borders of kurdistan using categories. Also existing sub categories appear to be useless. Three of the five sub categories have virtualy a handfull (less than 5) articles Articles like Turkish Kurdistan and Syrian Kurdistan are highly problematic. If you look at the articles youll see kurdistan is not treated like a geographic region or like a cultural region but for info regarding an independence movement and/or how much kurds are opressed and why they should have a nation of their own. I have pov on the matter thats why I need objective input. Thanks -- Cat 09:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank YouHi, I just wanted to say thanks for your reasonable analysis, and hard work.Zmmz 17:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC) Hi PashaA lot of Turkish-related articles' copyright, such as Politics of Turkey, Culture of Turkey and Communications in Turkey, are being challenged by a certain user. You may want to look into this, the articles could be deleted. --ManiF 17:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
K*******nHello Cool Cat. It's really a nice user page you have here - hope I manage to leave my message without leaving a mess. I noticed that you are doing an effort to removed references to Kurdishness in articles about Southeastern Turkey. I must say I tend to disagree with you, but my purpose for writing you here is not to embark on a long debate where we probably both in forehand know the arguments of the other. You seem to be a well-experienced and serious Wikipedian. So my question is whether there has been taken any compregensive decisions for Misplaced Pages policy on offically non-recognized minorities - as the Kurds in Turkey. There are so many articles related to the area of Turkey, that some, including myself, refer to as Kurdistan, that I believe a comprehensive policy should be developed. Has there been such discussions? If not, where is the place to raise such a discussion? I believe it will be better to discuss and reach some overall agreement instead of continous edit wars on articles such as Batman, Hakkari etc. Bertilvidet 20:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I am just warning you that I am considering reopening the arbitration casesJust to let you know that I will request a harder sanction for what you did. Fad (ix) 00:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I think he has some issues.He has some issues beyond my edits. Personally, I do not have any desire to deal with him. I can easily work on another article. It is funny that he belives that he "owns" the article. He negates not on the information, but from his choice of words he takes it on an interestingly personal level. If he thinks you are on his side, all the edits o.k. or vice versa. I have added information that can be classified on both sides of the arguments. He began to flip out, when I moved from top of the page (agrees with his perspective) to bottom (disagrees his perspective). He even tried to (and did) change textbook information. Funny Guy.--Karabekir 22:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
ChannelsI have been quite busy myself and have just now gotten a chance to log onto wikipedia. I am pretty clueless with this channel thing, which means maybe im not experienced enough to even lift this off the ground. Your thoughts? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Activision45 (talk • contribs)
Evidence page
I have started my evidence page here and will be filling them in the upcomming days before opening an arbitration cases. User:Fadix/evidencepage
Image taggingHi, I changed the licensing of the four images you cited to {{HistoricPhoto}}, a fair use claim which I believe is the most appropriate. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Genetic origins of the KurdsHi Cool Cat, I appreciate your opinion on this article (and I appreciate that you're approaching me about it on my talk page), and to tell you the truth, I kind of agree with you about the article. However, the bar is set pretty high for consensus to delete an article, there needs to be roughly 80% consensus. This AfD has approximately 50% consensus to delete (give or take a few). As a vote closer, I have to say this is not enough of a consensus to delete the article. However, I applied a {{npov}} to the article to remove the POV from the article (ie, remove the racism). Since there's not enough consensus to delete the article, I suggest you try and work the article so it is more NPOV. If you have any other concerns, please let me know. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC) botsorry, my chatzilla is corrupted. i think i can fix it due tomorrow, we can chat then tomorrow 19:00 at #wikipedia-de-vandalism. greetz, de:User:HardDisk aka HardDisk_WP Winged logoI'm "sort of around", I'm away on spring break with my laptop, but I'm without Photoshop and Illustrator . I think I can git-r-done when I get back home Sunday. — TheKMan 22:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC) OK Coolcat, lets say I am trying to assume good faithAre you claiming that all those layouts that I was reffering to and that you have created are now widely used here in Misplaced Pages, not only in English Misplaced Pages but even Turkish? Is that what you are claiming? Fad (ix) 23:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
RE: WikiProject Anime and manga participantionYou are listed at a participant of WikiProject Anime and manga. A recent change in how participants are listed — using a category — will result in your inadvertent removal from the project. If you wish to continue your participantion, please check the the project page for details on how to add yourself back to the project. --TheFarix 00:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
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ArchiveYou may want to model my archive style as your talk page seems to be very active. :) -- Cat 22:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Your bandwidth costsJust out of curiosity what were your bandwidth costs monthly to run the bot, I've had a grand total of under 100MB used by anything Misplaced Pages related including my anti vandal bot and my two IRC bots, keeping the bot up has been basically one cron process that does it for me, I would have thought writing the bot takes more work. Feel free to ignore this if you want but you have me curious, how bad is bandwidth in your area! -- Tawker 02:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for uploading Image:Pkk.gif. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Misplaced Pages (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page. If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL-self}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use. If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stan 04:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Tawkerbot2 and WhitelistThe whitelist currently employed by the CVU is now implemented in Tawkerbot2. If you're on that whitelist, then you shouldn't have any problems. :) joshbuddy 06:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
RfarIts not going to occur. Please review the process taken by Fadix and yourself. None of the qualms appealed have indicated an attempt at dispute resolution, and therefore, this rfar will be rejected. I've removed the bogus link. Please don't put it back. -Zero 20:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
AucamanHi, out of no choice, we too have set up an Rfc against user Aucaman Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Aucaman.Zmmz 05:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I forgot, you can always go here and endorse it, if you agree with it of course.Zmmz 03:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC) commons:User talk:Cool Catping! pfctdayelise (translate?) 07:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Star Trek CharactersWhat is the policy for {{Star Trek character}} in regards to rank? Some characters are promoted/demoted during the course of a series; is the most recent rank or highest rank listed? I think most recent probably makes the most sense. I was just wondering after seeing the articles on Miles O'Brien, Tom Paris, and Tuvok. — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:05, 18 March 2006 (UTC) BTW, Wikimood -10?! Don't be stressed :( — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Greetings from the United Federation of PlanetsSince you are already working with me on the transformation of Template:ST character -> Template:Star Trek character I was wondering if you could help me with these: -- Cat 19:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi again! Take a peek at the new (and burgeoning) List of Starfleet officers. The formatting isn't perfect and requires work (e.g., I want to consolidate like information in discrete table cells), but I'm starting to go blind. However, you get the idea. Thoughts? Also in retrospect, I may also consider and defer to your desire to include only one rank in the infobox/template (so as not to overload the infobox, but not just yet, OK?); however, should we exhibit the officer's last rank and or the one during which they had the most on-screen time as and likely is more memorable to visitors (e.g., Cmdr. Riker or Capt. Riker?) Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Reverted page moveI have reverted your page move of Kira Nerys to Nerys Kira. Please explain on the article's talk page why you feel this is necessary and attempt to get some consensus before moving this page again. Thanks. 23skidoo 02:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
E. Pluribus Anthony pretty well sums up my objections and the objections of others so there's no need for me to parrot him, while CBurnett also states a further case on the Kira Nerys talk page. Cheers. 23skidoo 15:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Mr. FlintCool Cat, Thanks for fixing the flint bio box. I have reverted to the previous until we can resize the image. I like your changes but the Image is too large. I have tried unsuccessfully. Is there a way of doing this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks FrankWilliams 00:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I added back the original info. It looks much better now.FrankWilliams 01:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC) Interesting?, what do you think? --Kash 16:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC) Speedy deletions of imagesHi there, I notice you tagged a number of images for speedy deletion with the reason "Now useless". However, "Now useless" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I am -- Cat 14:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)removing the speedy deletion tags. If you feel the images are redundant copies, in the same image file format and same or lower resolution, of something else on Misplaced Pages, please tag them with {{Isd|name of other image without Image: prefix}}. If you feel that the images are not useful on Misplaced Pages, please list them on WP:IFD. Possible reasons for this would be that the images are unencyclopedic or orphaned. Thanks! Stifle 01:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
User:Diyako is Vandalizing and FabricatingLook at the sources he has cited for his bann of the Kurdish flag in Iran. They are random webpages. They have nothing to do with the topic. I have made warnings onthe topic. 69.196.139.250 02:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC) Formatting a userboxHi Cool Cat - commendations on your suavely formatted user page. Thanks for the code I stole. Could you advise me on how to align a userbox with text, e.g. the Members section of WikiProject International development? <center> doesn't seem to work, and I don't know how to stop the text from wrapping. Any other formatting help on that page would be much appreciated. Thanks! --Singkong2005 10:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
TfD nomination of Template:ST characterTemplate:ST character has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Philip Stevens 11:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
RibbonsCheck out Wikipedia_talk:Ribbons. -- evrik 18:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
ArbCom CaseHi, I included a diff to your Rfc in an ongoing ArbCom case that we unfortunately had to file against Aucaman; so just be aware of that please.Zmmz 22:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
HAPPY NEW YEARDiyako Talk + 10:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Or how about replying: "Thank you for the friendly message despite previous conflicts. I wish you a happy Nevruz" ? Bertilvidet 13:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Your RfCHi CoolCat, I just saw that RfC page you put up for Aucaman et al. This doesn't really look like a formally valid user-conduct RfC. Could you please check the formal rules again and reformat accordingly, so that it will actually be useful in attracting people to comment? I'd suggest you shouldn't advertise it in the meantime. Thanks! Lukas 14:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
SelamTürk karşıtı Khoikhoi admin oluyor,tanıdığın bütün türklere haber verirsen engelleyebiliriz burdan oy verebilirsin (Metb82 13:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)) Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Aucaman, Diyako, Heja helweda, MuhamedAs you requested I have filed an RfC and not an RfAr. -- Cat 13:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Misc comment #1I understand no Turkish and I do not come from Turkey. I come from the northIraq and I speak Arab and Kurdish. Siktir Lan I learned of your Turkish friends. Muhamed
Misc comment #2It would be greatly appreciated if you participated and left a comment there as you have at least had experience with some of the people involved there. Some users unfortunately (like Lukas) are trying to turn this into an indictment of sorts against nearly all Iranian editors. Much obliged.--Zereshk 05:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC) WikiProject TurkeyMerhaba WikiProject Turkey isminde bir proje önerisinde bulundum. Öneri olarak en az 5-10 kişi varsa projeye başlamanın daha uygun olacağı söyleniyor. Türkiye ile ilgilenen her kullanıcıya bu mesajı yolluyorum. Gözümden kaçan bu proje ile ilgilenebilecek aktif kullanıcı olursa sizde bildirin. Geçici proje sayfası bu User:Ugur Basak/WikiProject Turkey, bu sayfayada ilgilenmek isterseniz adınızı ekleyebilirsiniz. Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject/List_of_proposed_projects#Turkey --Ugur Basak 14:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Various unseen or stub Star Trek ClassesMass afding is bad practice. I am quite displeased. -- Cat 20:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
MentorAre you willing to reactivate as an active mentor for user:JarlaxleArtemis? Linuxbeak has indicated he is too busy with other matters. I also left a note for User:JSpudeman the other designated mentor. JarlaxleArtemis has been causing problems, and has been extremely sluggish about completing his requirements. Without an active mentor he will have to be blocked. -Will Beback 23:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
ArticlesI have reverted your edit on batman page for god knows how many times now. I recommend you have a read of WP:NPOV. I'd hate to spend the time fileing another rfc. I am under the impresion you are here to expand and improve wikipedia. You need to be able to work with others rather than senselessly revert them screeming "That is POV". -- Cat 03:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
MeowSyrian Kurdistan has been deleted and redirected to Kurds in Syria, same should be done with Turkish Kurdistan. Can you nominate it for deletion or show me how I can. Thank you and kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 10:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turkish KurdistanSimilar to syrian Kurdistan article. Should be treated the same. What do you tink? -- Cat 22:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi thereCan I have your e-mail address please? --ManiF 01:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Vote Stacking on Kurdish-related votesI saw your complaint, very true. Here are some more evidence in case you needed them: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Zora&diff=44048779&oldid=44023457 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Aucaman&diff=prev&oldid=45333494 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Diyako&diff=prev&oldid=45329041 http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Diyako&diff=prev&oldid=45329041
Image:Barnstar reversion ribbon.pngHere is one image. I will try and knock out the other two images. User:Zscout370 21:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
An RFC has been filed involving you.The RfC has been filed and is available at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Cool Cat. -M List of Starfleet ship classesI want to make the article more like List of Oh My Goddess episodes a comparasion chart. Would you support that? -- Cat 20:15, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Update Misplaced Pages:In the news section on the Main Page/CandidatesWho Updates the template. I made a suggestion like 6 hours ago, and nothing has happened. In a day or so it will be irrelevant (2006 Commonwealth Games). --Hamedog 12:37, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
vote for khoi..Hi, Sorry for wasting your time, Khoi. who has always problems with Turk related articles will be an admin, unless you vote for opposition. ]--TuzsuzDeliBekir 14:13, 26 March 2006 (UTC) VandalismSomeone intentionally or unintentionally vandalized your History of Turkey templates, can you revert them, I couldn't. Regards.--Kagan the Barbarian 20:09, 26 March 2006 (UTC) I appologize CoolcatYou were not Karabekir, while my research shows you were implicated in the Febuary 10s lobbying, Tommiks was behind those alias. , . I admit when I am wrong. Fad (ix) 01:02, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Why was this edit made?
CollaborationCool Cat, it seems that we have several common points of interest concerning contemporary Turkey and minority issues is in Turkey. It is also clear that we have differing approaches, at least to the quite sensitive Kurdish question. IMHO our differing approaches should be considered as a strength in order to write well-balanced articles on the issues. If we admit our differences, I am certain that we can write really good NPOV articles. This requires, however, a mutual respect for the other's view, willingness to discussions, refrain from personal attacks and mutually assuming good faith. Lots of work is indeed to improve Turkey-related articles. I suggest that we collaborate about this important task. You are hereby invited. Bertilvidet 11:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Batman, TurkeyHi Cool Cat, I do understand why some editors prefer the more compact version of the statement, but I see the sensibility of the issue. I can live with either version, as long as the (claimed, if you like) predominance of Kurds is mentioned. Apart from that, I'm fine.--Hippalus 15:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
***Nudge***Hows it going? -- Cat 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
AN/I DiscussionThere are now 3 outside views who agree with my refutation of your claims, one who accuses you of violating WP:AGF and an admin who says your verging on violating WP:CIVIL. You may wish to pull the complaint before you dig yourself in too far a hole. -M
Thanks! Hey Cool Cat, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC) Kurdish CatDude, please stop removing the Kurdish category from pages; this category has survived the CFD attempts and categorizing areas by ethnic population is legitimate and encyclopedic. --Moby 08:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey. Whats the deal with all these cats e.g. Kurdish cuisine does every single Kurd article deserve a category!? --Kash 23:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/RfAr Armenian GenocidePlease do not remove the link again. I am very serious about this. I will eventully prepare my case for arbitration, I just haven't gotten to it yet. -- Cat 18:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
HurriyyaI wanted to give you a heads up about this new "watchdog" in town, Misplaced Pages:Hurriyya_notice_board, you have been mentioned on it --Kash 23:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC) Category:KurdistanSince we have discussed something similar. What do you think of the tagging of random Turkish provinces with this category? Please note that there has been no offical recognition of such a claim. -- Cat 16:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
sol eclip img filename @ commons2005 -> 2006, please correct them Yaohua2000 13:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
An RfC has been filed involving youThe RfC has been filed and is available at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Cool Cat. -M Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/AucamanHello, An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Aucaman/Workshop. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 19:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC) Batman revisitedHi there Cool Cat, thanks for your reaction. I see you still have some issues with the temporal version. I'll try to adress them here. First of all, as far as I can see the 'proposal' version doesn't contain weasle words. If you do see them, could you point them out to me? We might change those. Secondly, your concern about the 'disclaimer-message'. I think it is inevitable we have a disclaimer here and there in a collaborative encyclopedia like this one. A lot of Misplaced Pages's articles actually contain disclaimers. The POV-tag is the most famous disclaimer message, probably. However, I think a 'disclaimer' in a footnote is more encyclopedic than a POV-tag. References and footnotes are a procedure used very often in science circles, and generally approved of. I think they will make this a better encyclopedia. Okay, a last request. Have a look at the 'proposal' version for a second time. Could you please tell me whether the 'disclaimer'-footnote covers your concern on the unverifiability of the demographic statement? And if that is the case, could you consider leaving it to the readers to decide whether he accepts the statement as true or not, till we find a better compromise? Cheers,--Hippalus 19:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Fujiwara no Teika peer review requestCC: I remember that you helped me out a bit on the Teika article, so I thought you'd might want to know I'm putting it up for peer review: Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Fujiwara no Teika. --maru (talk) contribs 17:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC) DefconAny idea why the template isn't showing up? It should be on my page but its vanished, and I'm not seeing it anywhere else other than the template page. T K E 18:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Hurriyya notice boardHave you seen this, your name is there? --ManiF 06:11, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
link to porn sites on user pageI removed the link to porn sites that you placed on your user page. Misplaced Pages may not be censored for the protection of minors, but I do not believe that you are allowed to have porn links on your user page. - Conrad Devonshire 06:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Category: KurdistanFor your information: the question which articles should have the tag 'Category:Kurdistan' is currently being discussed at Category talk:Kurdistan. Yours,--Hippalus 13:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Turkish KurdistanResult is unbelievable. Misplaced Pages is under the invasion of mobs. These people, with common objectives and agenda, form nameless groups and abuse the democracy here as much as they can. Insidious people, schemes, devious methods... I won't spare as much time for this crap as I did before, still I'll try to keep an eye whenever I can. I'd like to thank you for your efforts to counter these shameless POV pushers for so long just by yourself, you are the Lone Cat. By the way, History of Turkey template is magnificent, best I've seen on Misplaced Pages, well done. Sağlıcakla kal ve kolay gelsin.--Kagan the Barbarian 16:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
My userpage Thanks, I don't know where you've seen the design, I made it myself(which is why it is broken probably!). That is one of two thinks preventing me from using Firefox- I'm using Maxthon now - the other thing is one of my monobook features(an auto warn button) doesn't work in Firefox. Thanks for your help! Prodego 23:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Cool Cat, today being April's Fool Day a few admins played a bit too much with blocks (blocking each other), so some trusted users (including a few admins) are now blacklisted. They include it:Utente:Civvi, it:Utente:Red devil 666, it:Utente:Clark Shuster and someone else (as soon as I figure out I'll let you know). Thanks a lot. --Cruccone 21:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Speedy deletion
I noticed that you tagged the page Template:Parts of Kurdistan for speedy deletion with the reason "useless template". However, "useless template" is not currently one of our criteria for speedy deletion, so I have removed the speedy deletion tag. You can use WP:TFD if you still want the article to be deleted. Thanks! Stifle 22:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
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Starfleet copyright
People are complaining about the copyrights of the images. It is becoming quite ridiclous. You may want to assist. -- Cat 15:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'll be quite uninvolved with Misplaced Pages until the end of April. I am in the middle of a military exercise. It is very sad. Paramount can not claim a copyright on three circles worn on a collar, I dont care what people may say. -Husnock 17:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- If you can find copyright info about paramount not holding copyrights that would satisfy all parties for certain. I hope to clear this up before your return.
- Oh and btw DONT GET HURT during the excercise. Thats an order.
- -- Cat 08:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Star Fleet Images
Cool Cat - I saw your post on Ed Poor's page - IAAL - so I was thinking I could lend some expertise in this area - as I pointed out on the featured list page the issue is whether the images can be considered a derivative work or not. Can you get me started on where the images are - and what has been discussed so I can be up to speed on the issue. Thx in adv - Trödel 17:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- The images that appear on Starfleet ranks and insignia are mostly in commons.wiki (images wikipedians drew), while others (images found on the web drawn by other Star Trek fans) are on en.wiki.
- The discussion commenced at: Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/Starfleet ranks and insignia. Issue has been discussed inconclusively so far (you know what I mean).
- The issue so far basicaly is me and others drawing images of decorations (rank insignias) appeared on the show and weather or not is this to be considered derivative work.
- My argument is that if I am able to release photo I toke of Patrick Stewart (Jean-Luc Picard) in a starfleet uniform under a free license I should be able to release rank insignias the same way. You can buy the rank pins/pips and take the photo right? Also most rank insignias are very basic shapes such as 4 circles next to each other.
- Anyway else I can help you get started?
- -- Cat 20:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thx - I'll start there - I have 8 closings over the next 3 days but should have some time to research a little. Trödel 20:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
RFC Xebat (Diyako)
Regarding your RFC, that user has been blocked for 1 month because of blatant personal attacks ,, perhaps the issue can be taken to the ArbCom for arbitration now. --ManiF 13:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- Why am I not suprised. It is possible to file a case on arbcom against Diyako but he would be unblocked as soon as arbitration starts.
- It might be in the best interest of Diyako as well as all of us to wait a month before we put this to arbitration. Let everything cool a bit perhaps.
- -- Cat 13:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Boxes...
Hi Cool Cat - I'm looking to learn from for your table mastery again... I'm having trouble with userboxes on my userpage this time, making them all stick to the right. See here. I want the Wikiproject boxes and the text to fill in on the left - don't know why it isn't working. Suggestions or edits appreciated. (You can ignore the edit after the link I gave - I reverted the changes so it's not a complete mess). Cheers, Singkong2005 14:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have tried to fix your page. Better?
- I have one advice unrelated to your request: You may want to break your userpage into topic spesific sub pages.
- -- Cat 14:53, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks again. Working on your suggestion.
- I'm not sure why the right hand box has a large blank left border though. Its width is specified to be 240px, and the boxes inside it specify width: 242px; in their templates, but it won't go narrower.
- Can I get your assistance with {{totd b}}? I want to make it more compact but can't make the text wrap around the image. Any suggestions/improvements welcome. (I'm also making a suggestions for change to the Tip of the day format on the talk page.) Thanks! --Singkong2005 04:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- Is this better? -- Cat 08:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- (Sorry for the delay - I've been trying to figure a few things out.)
- Actually it still doesn't seem to want to wrap around the image. Still, if that can't be done, it still works quite well.
- I just put the right column stuff into the {{Userboxtop}}/{{Userboxbottom}} thing, and that seems to work okay. My web page will never be as snazzy as yours, but it's definitely a lot easier to read now. Thanks
- --Singkong2005 04:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Is this better? -- Cat 08:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Question
Hi Cool Cat, I noticed the Architecture section of the Culture of Turkey article was copied from here. I think other parts of the article were copied from there as well. Is text from official Turkish government websites in the Public Domain? If not, it looks like these paragraphs will have to be re-written or deleted. I'm not sure who added the text, but I think I've seen similar copyvios in related articles. --Khoikhoi 01:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- I am no expert in copyrights but I believe anyone can use anything on a Turkish Gov website as such pages are generaly considered "National Heritage" unless otherwise stated. I also do not believe there is a single case of Turkish Gov sueing anyone for using their stuff. Media for instance ocasionaly uses Turkish gov data while crediting Turkish gov (perhaps in a sense of reporting rather than satisfying some copyright requirement).
- However, I am not certain if I can prove such a statement as I am no expert in copyrights.
- I'll look for this though.
- -- Cat 09:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, for this case it is explicitly stated at that: All rights reserved. The copyright of this publication belongs to the Turkish News Agency. The texts and photographs cannot be quoted or used without permission.
- Hence you are right it needs to be rewriten/deleted. I nominate you for the job. :)
- -- Cat 09:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm. :) I asked Saposcat if he could rewrite the copyvio paragraphs, I'm sure he knows a lot more about Turkey's culture than I do. Cheers, Khoikhoi 00:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Another question
Hi, I noticed that you said here that you're not Turkish. Out of shere curiosity, what ethnicity are you? --Khoikhoi 07:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Turkish is a nationality not an ethnicity unlike Turkic.
- I do not reveal any personal info on wikipedia or on the internet (a personal policy, nothing personal). So, I will have to decline in answering that. My userpage lists a number of nationalities I have so far been declared by others if you are still interested.
- -- Cat 07:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- No problem, I understand.
- Wait, what do you think of the Turkish people page then? It's about the Turkic citizens of Turkey. --Khoikhoi 07:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- There are serious pov issues on wikipedia involving Turkey on wikipedia. That one is a great example. Every citizen of Turkey is Turkish. Some Kurds/Turks for example find that insultive and modify the article in question so that it becomes like this. I intend to fix all such factual inacuracies.
- -- Cat 07:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, how do you suggest we fix it? We already have People of Turkey and Demographics of Turkey articles. --Khoikhoi 07:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- If you take a look at Batman, Turkey it is been declared "predominantly kurdish" with no basis. As in a census establishing ethnicity was never held. My attempts to fix this factual acuracy by stating a census wasnt held even though bbc "claims" the area to be "predominantly kurdish" was reverted on sight.
- So I think any attempt to "fix" will result in a revert war. We need to first deal with this kind of infestation. Take a look at Category talk:Kurdistan
- -- Cat 07:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm..looks like a sticky situation. BTW, Diyako/Xebat was blocked for 1 month for personal attacks. --Khoikhoi 07:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I am aware. I actualy track every block on wikipedia via my bot which used to serve on #wikipedia-en-vandalism (currently the bot is offline on en).
- Oh, infestation such as this happened before and had been dealt with in the past such as the infamous Greek/Macedonian conflict on wikipedia. Something similar will eventualy happen.
- -- Cat 07:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm..looks like a sticky situation. BTW, Diyako/Xebat was blocked for 1 month for personal attacks. --Khoikhoi 07:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, how do you suggest we fix it? We already have People of Turkey and Demographics of Turkey articles. --Khoikhoi 07:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- You might want to request a check on that on WP:ANB/I. I do note that he may be a meatpuppet rather than a sockpuppet as in he might be a diferent person with views similar to Diyako. It is also possible that Diyako might have called a friend to take over. but this is mere speculation... ^_^
- There was a conflict on the naming of Republic of Macedonia. Note the article is still protected. The dispute isn't just limited to wikipedia as you can see.
- This is one of the many examples of infestation on wikipedia.
- -- Cat 08:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- As I said, it's already at WP:RFCU, so I think that's fine. Yeah, perhaps - I'm pretty sure it's him however.
- Actually, I'm the one who got Alex to protect that page. Notice that some Macedonian editor - Dipazi (talk · contribs) spammed the talk pages of a bunch of Turkish editors asking them to vote. --Khoikhoi 08:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Never the less... It is suprising the page was ever unlocked. Given that dispute. Great work you caughed a vote stacking in progress and managed to get attention. I wasnt so fortunate on the VfD of Turkish Kurdistan...
- According to I do feel he may be a sockpuppet... At least one other person shares your concern. But if he is using sockpuppets that really is a "positive" sign. That means his block will we extended at the very least.
- there is a backlog on the check user page... Hmm...
- -- Cat 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- InShaneee also suspects this. I have a feeling that if it's him, he may be using this account from a different location. --Khoikhoi 08:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Which may be the house accross or he might be using a proxy (open or closed). You can fake your location with little effort these days and as far as I care, diyako is determined enough for all of that. Also he might have a dinamic ip. -- Cat 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Shhhh! Don't give him any ideas! ;) --Khoikhoi 08:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I dealt with this kind of behaviour on a daliy basis. Sockpuppetary is very easy to catch. -- Cat 08:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Shhhh! Don't give him any ideas! ;) --Khoikhoi 08:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Which may be the house accross or he might be using a proxy (open or closed). You can fake your location with little effort these days and as far as I care, diyako is determined enough for all of that. Also he might have a dinamic ip. -- Cat 08:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- InShaneee also suspects this. I have a feeling that if it's him, he may be using this account from a different location. --Khoikhoi 08:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Proposals
I notice you have been involved recently with the development of a number of policy initiatives. While there is no procedural bar against this, please allow me to suggest that you may be more effective if you concentrate on one or two at a time. Do understand that I'm not implying in any way that you have run afoul of any guideline here; only that you may not be as effective as you would like. If there's any way I can help, please let me know. John Reid 13:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- I do not mind if the stuff I proposed is supported/opposed/ignored. I am merely trying to come up with ideas that would make wikipedia a better and more troll-free enviorment. Don't ger me wrong I would like my proposals to be implimented, I just dont have the patience/time to polish and perfect them alone.
- Generally stuff I sugguest is ignored until someting big happens. Semi-protect was my one of my ideas... It was implimented after the not so pleasant appearance of Misplaced Pages on CNN.
- I however thank you for your advice. I am not declining it, but I am not certain how to proceed. I do not mind if you may want to assist with the proposals' polish etc.
- -- Cat 13:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry for taking your response seriously, I was under the impresion you were trying to help policies I propose pass. Instead it appears you are campaigning against it, I do not think higly of accusations I recieve. Implying a hidden motive isn't any better. Please don't waiste my time with similar comments in the future. -- Cat 14:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Infestation
I found this proposed policy, and I really like the way it's starting to shape up. I've made some spelling changes and whatnot, but no substance additions yet. I believe if this policy continues developing in an acceptable manner it could become accepted by the community. Any specific help you might want on it? -M 
15:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, for one we need spesific examples of what can be considered "infestation".
- Greek/Macedonian conflict over the naiming of Republic of Macedonia may be a good example.
- I prefer not to present conflicts (I am biased in conflicts I am involved with after all) I was a part of as examples but I do not mind you presenting them.
- -- Cat 16:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah! Wish, One More Time!
Thank you for the fix. -- Cat 19:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I hope you find some time to expand the article. Regards, --Tone 19:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- I was hoping you would join the quest... -- Cat 19:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
User page
The addition looks fabulous, just one wee request, because I can't work out how you did what you did, could you center the ribbons below the three images rather than have them to the left please? Cheers. -- Francs2000 
20:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
- Your wish is my command. -- Cat 20:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Email Usernames
- I wish they would be. I think that a fair amount of the CHU requests are 'please change xxx@yyy.com to just xxx' — Ilyanep (Talk) 03:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Stress
Sorry to hear things are the way they are, tinhgs were getting bad for me but are looking up. I hope you don't mind me asking why you were banned from IRC. I remember the days of computer3 and you in there; there was nothing like it. Hope things get better for you. --Pilot|guy
02:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I am not sure, probably because I booted pgkbot off of the chan in frustration... Apperantly that was one of Essjay's rules I violated, the rules he came up with on my channel without asking me. -- Cat 11:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
DefCon boxes
Hey Cool Cat. In reference to the DefCon boxes which you marked for speedy. Would you object to them instead being 'de-userfied' into template space? It seems like alot of people are using them currently. --CBDunkerson 14:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- The wikipedia comunity (made out of few determined users) have hammered me for creating the defcon template etc.. They forced/ordered me to move them to my userspace or else they would vandalise/maliciously edit the templates in question. So if you want to move them to templatespace, good luck.
- I dont care what happens to it so long as it isnt in my userspace since I am not allowed to participate in rc patrol, I do not want anything implying I have anything to do with WP:CVU.
- -- Cat 18:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Image:Counter Vandalism Unit.png
Can you delete every page on my userspace that displays this image? -- Cat 19:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sure. Just confirm, every page? ×Meegs 19:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- They are all files that have fragments of my vandalism detection bot. Since I can no longer run it the pages have no purpose.
- I'd like to renote only files in my userspace.
- Thank you. -- Cat 19:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- All done. Image:Coolcat's CVU FAQ1.png is now an orphan, by the way. Take care. ×Meegs 22:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Category:PKK victims
I'd like to note, we do not like declaring organisations as 'terrorist' on wikipedia as per WP:NPOV as well as WP:Avoid.
The reason is actualy simple: "Who determines who is terrorist". Many will agree that the US is a terrorist entity. I for one dont feel that way about the US. But you do see my point. Hence it is never approporate to have that in the article. Hence why the category in question must go.
Any disagreements? -- Cat 20:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Cool Cat,
- I totally agree with you, you must have mistaken what I meant in the edit summary, I was being sarcastic, because edits like these are obvious POV.
- BTW, do you have any idea what this means?
- --Khoikhoi 20:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Please evade sarcasm on edit summaries and try to minimise confusion.
- Something about an RfA of yours... I am not really certain. -- Cat 20:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I apologize, thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, would you please be able to explain the the same thing to User:Hattusili? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I am not certain what you are trying to say, its a userpage... what about it?
- -- Cat 20:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- You said to me "we do not like declaring organisations as 'terrorist' on wikipedia as per WP:NPOV as well as WP:Avoid." Could you please say the same thing to him? --Khoikhoi 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, would you please be able to explain the the same thing to User:Hattusili? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- I apologize, thanks. --Khoikhoi 20:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
PKK
I was informed by Khoikhoi to inform you about a few wikipedia policies/rules regarding how 'terrorism' is to be treated.
Firstly we try to evade contraversial accusations whenever we can. For example declaring the United States or Turkey is out of the question. Same goes to organisations like Hamas, PKK, IRA, Hezbollah, Al-quadia...
It is ok to say that these organisations are recognised as terrorist by a number of countries, it just isn't ok to name-call them as terrosit.
Hope this helps.
-- Cat 21:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry but there are pages about IRA,ETA or 9/11 victims, and nobody opposes when we call IRA ETA or Al-Qaeda as terrorist organisations. What is the privilege of PKK? If the press of your country is independent you should have seen the events going in last few days!!! --Hattusili 06:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- I for one view the IRA, Al-quida, hamas, ETA, PKK as terrorist. I also do not trust the media... that includes all media.
- PKK has no special privilage. On the article why dont you write about the events going on last few days? If the events in question are terrorist, the reader will conclude to that end. Sep/11 for example is portrayed as just an attack even though it is perhaps one of the worst example of barbarism in modern human history. I view it as a terrorist attack and I would revert any edit talking about sep/11th as a terrorist attack. On that article it is ok to talk about people intentionaly flying planes into buildings, it is not ok to talk about people commiting terrorist acts.
- I am trying to get rid of pov categories such as Category:Kurdistan etc. as well as Category:PKK victims.
- -- Cat 08:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me in this subject, I will consider your critisism in my future articles. I don't want to be offensive; the only thing I want to do is create neutral articles about Turkey. You are right, the reader must decide if an act is a terrorist attack or not. thanks--Hattusili 08:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- If you got any questions, I'd be more than welcome to help in any way I can. I am not criticising you, I am merely pointing out a few wikipedia policies. -- Cat 09:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- Jesus Christ, now the user is spamming the talk pages of every user in Category:User tr about it. This is ridiculous. --Khoikhoi 07:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm only informing the people related with this subject. And also why don't we use Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion section to provide a consensus?? --Hattusili 02:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- What you're telling them is a different story. Categories for deletion is only necessary for things that don't meet speedy deletion standards. --Khoikhoi 07:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'm only informing the people related with this subject. And also why don't we use Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion section to provide a consensus?? --Hattusili 02:11, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- Jesus Christ, now the user is spamming the talk pages of every user in Category:User tr about it. This is ridiculous. --Khoikhoi 07:06, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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Long time, no speak --Adam1213 Talk + 00:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hey there, glad you are along. How can I help? -- Cat 08:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
External links on Kurdistan Workers Party tagged for speedy deletion
An article that you have been involved in editing, External links on Kurdistan Workers Party, has been tagged for speedy deletion. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. AmiDaniel (Talk) 09:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)General political support for a Kurdistan-based agenda in Turkey's (as well as the primarily concerned regions)
Hello Cool Cat! First, I would like to express my appreciation of your cool, balanced and constructive interventions on a number of subjects, as I could notice to this day.
My objective in drawing up a table of election results covering (more or less) the last decade was to shake the (occasional) misconception that there might be a population inhabiting the concerned region gathered behind the idea of politically promoting their specifities and pursuing an agenda based on a term separate from the rest of the country. There are many cases of ethnicities (or specific population masses in a given region) constituting "blocks" of varying political strength (Quebec, Flanders, Northern Italy, Kosovo). The table I prepared does not suggest the evident existence of such a block in the 20 Turkish provinces concerned, although one political party is certainly notable in some of these. There is not just "one" ethnically-based specificity in the region, and by and large the region's political trends are in line and evolving within the same structure as the rest of the country. I am keeping it as a counterweight to the map present in many K-related articles (and strangely indicating the airports in a wider geography???) in case the issue gains prominence. I do believe that inhabitants/governments can be influent on the naming of geographies. As a final remark, the map on the German wikipedia is somehow different, with the outlet to sea theory having been realized and tainted with more furious colors. As if someone had hummed the tune, "Mapmaker mapmaker, make me a map! Make me a perfect map!". Sometimes one image can shape the entire chain of perceptions in a subject matter. Regards. --Cretanforever 19:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Here we go again...
User:CltFn just moved Ottoman Armenian casualties to Ottoman Armenian victims. Based on other encounters with this user, I don't think he is going to listen to me. Please help. --—Khoikhoi 04:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Now he's editing the Armenian Genocide page. --—Khoikhoi 05:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- I refuse to touch Armenian Genocide (article is practicaly owned) but I have moved Ottoman Armenian casualties page back to its proper title. -- Cat 15:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. —Khoikhoi 18:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, the definition at the Turkish people article has changed a bit since last time I showed it to you. —Khoikhoi 19:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Looks much better. There is ofcourse room for progress... -- Cat 21:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, the definition at the Turkish people article has changed a bit since last time I showed it to you. —Khoikhoi 19:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. —Khoikhoi 18:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- I refuse to touch Armenian Genocide (article is practicaly owned) but I have moved Ottoman Armenian casualties page back to its proper title. -- Cat 15:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Happy Easter
Everyone else seems to have stolen all the good Easter pictures and stuff, but I wish you a Happy Easter all the same. — FireFox • T
- Domo Arigato, happy easter to you too. -- Cat 19:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Aa! Megamisama TV (Season 2)
Ummm... not quite sure where to really put this, and I thank you for enjoying my synopsis of the first episode. And if you don't mind me helping, I'd love to help out with the series. (I'm not really good with Wiki yet, so there's still much for me to learn.) But thank you again, and I'll be around to help out as much as I can. ^.^ (Xiaoyung 13:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC))
- Season 1 also needs some work so you can jump on that
- I'd be glad to help you in any way I can.
- -- Cat 18:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Sure, I'll poke around a little bit when I have a little more time. At the moment, I have a ton of work until the end of the semester for school. So I'll probably go back through some of the others when I'm done with the semester about Mid-May or so, it that's okay with you. -- Xiaoyung 17:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- That's ok. The anime will be there in mid may. :) -- Cat 06:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Fixing My Userpage
Thanks for fixing the puppet master box on my userpage! I was looking around for a gender specific version of the box (as it seems quite unnecessary to be gender neutral when the gender of the user is clearly known), and I never even thought to try a second paramater! I guess should have actually looked at the wikicode for the template. But, again, thank you for fixing it... I need all the help I can get :->. AmiDaniel (Talk) 07:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I added the wiki code for the extra parameter. :) -- Cat 07:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Inquiry
Hey there, I was wondering if you were busy for the future few days.
I am having pov issues on several articles which a person with your talents would be able to deal with ease. -- Cat 13:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry for not getting back to you sooner: what did you want me to do? -- Francs2000
09:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have been trying to get attention on the articles related to Kurds and Kurdistan for quite some time now (with lttle/no success). I was wondering if you could assist me in dealing with a few pov issues on the related articles such as Category:Kurdistan and/or Turkish Kurdistan as well as Batman Province and city.
- I do not know how much you know on the topic, but I think you can be a reasonable outside view even if you know nothing.
- -- Cat 09:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really know what use I can be but I'll have a look when I have a moment. Which sections on the talk pages in particular would you like me to take a look at? -- Francs2000 22:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Although please hang on till tomorrow: I've had enough death threats and pillocks for one night already... -- Francs2000 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- I am in no hurry. Take your time.
- Whevever you have the time, take a look at Category Talk:Kurdistan#Response
- Death threats are generaly the sign of fine work. I used to have a death threat counter on my userpage at a point though no one thretened me so far... I kinda feel useless at times because of that ;)
- -- Cat 07:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Although please hang on till tomorrow: I've had enough death threats and pillocks for one night already... -- Francs2000
- I don't really know what use I can be but I'll have a look when I have a moment. Which sections on the talk pages in particular would you like me to take a look at? -- Francs2000
Vandalism Detection Bot
Hey. Sorry about what's going on with the channel and all. I'm just wondering why you would need to replace '#wikipedia-en-vandalism' by hand? Is there not a find and replace function in whatever you use to code your bot? — Ilyanep (Talk) 01:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- The code does not contain the channel name of channels in its code anymore. It generates #wikipedia-en-vandalism from wikimedia channel #en.wikipedia. If the channel was meta.wikimedia the freenode channel would be #wikimedia-meta-vandalism. This is a standard with version 2.0 of my bot.
- The reason for this is to increase efficency of the bot so it doesnt lag.
- It is technicaly posible to introduce an if/else structure and give en.wikipedia an exception. This would probably take me weeks since I'd have to practicaly double the amount of code the bot has. This would also decrease bots efficency by 50% as there would be twice the amount of code now.
- Another problem is that many files (with fragmets of code such as language files) and hashtables expect the channel name of the channel to be in the standard #wikipedia-xx-vandalism format.
- Yet another problem is my moving of 12+ channels... I am not keen on moving an armada of channels.
- There are perhaps other problems I haven't even thought about.
- #wikipedia-en-vandalism is a redirect channel and hence isn't used. All it takes is half a minute of work (asigning it a new password etc) to turn the channel something useful. The bot was working on the channel for months.
- -- Cat 06:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oh...well that's unfortunate :( Hope you can get your bot working soon. — Ilyanep (Talk) 19:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- I can the second Essjay decides to cooperate, unless that happens the bot wont function. I will not spend months recoding the bot just to satisfy Essjay's ego. And from my standing that is the only problem... -- Cat 07:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oh...well that's unfortunate :( Hope you can get your bot working soon. — Ilyanep (Talk) 19:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
UK Chat
Hi, you said some really nasty things to UK Chat and now he's really upset. I suggest you apologise at once.--Judge Rahman 08:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Judge Rahman (talk · contribs) is quite a new user who claims he isnt a sockpuppet on his/her/its userpage. I for one am sceptical... Should I ask for a sock puppet check? -- Cat 08:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- That's up to you tbh, though I have left a message for the above user stating that I stand by my remarks and the reason why. -- Francs2000 11:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- That's up to you tbh, though I have left a message for the above user stating that I stand by my remarks and the reason why. -- Francs2000
They were warned that if their behaviour continued they would be blocked from editing, and I would have made it a permanent block. They ceased editing from that point. I am intrigued however how UK Chat could contact Judge Rahman, seeing as the latter does not have email enabled in their preferences. If not sockpuppetry, I at least suspect meatpuppetry at work... -- Francs2000 11:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ture, but from where I am standing they are only here to troll and not about creating an encyclopedia... They/He/She arent/isnt really worth the effort. :) -- Cat 16:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The September 11, 2001 attacks
Hi this is from the September 11 page "The September 11, 2001 attacks (9/11 or September 11th) were a series of terrorist attacks on the morning of September 11th in the United States, which consequently resulted in the death of nearly 3,000 people." Can you please warn the users editing this page about wikipedia policies/rules regarding how 'terrorism' is to be treated. thanks --Hattusili 17:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have fixed it on the article and mentioned my modification on the articles talk page. It should be taken care of now. I would warn the user adding "terrorist" but I am not certain who that is. -- Cat 18:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.
- I am prohibited from mediating as per ArbCom hearing.
- Could you provide a reference to that ruling? I'm almost sure that ArbCom doesn't regulate informal mediation this way. Informal mediation already happens when you help two editors in a dispute to resolve their dispute. --Fasten 11:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek.
- As per that I cannot mediate even though I feel I am more than qualified to do so as all my failed attempts were a complete failiure beacuse of interference from Davenbelle and Stereotek.
- -- Cat 14:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Could you provide a reference to that ruling? I'm almost sure that ArbCom doesn't regulate informal mediation this way. Informal mediation already happens when you help two editors in a dispute to resolve their dispute. --Fasten 11:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Your claim that your bot cannot use a different channel
This claim is not very convincing. Did you write the bot in assembly language that relies on the channel name as a code fragment or what could be the reason? --Fasten 13:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- The bot uses the channel name on irc.wikimedia.org to preform several functions.
- If the channel name on wikimedia server is lets say #es.wikipedia or #es.wikinews, the bot would speak in spanish.
- The bot will post events to #wikipedia-es-vandalism (for #es.wikipedia) and #wikinews-es-vandalism (for #es.wikinews).
- All logs would be saved to a large number of files (several thousand for en) under varius filenames generated by using the channel name. The bots files for en.wikpedia en.wikinews are generated using the channels name.
- Access list of several hundered people will also have to be 'moved'.
- The entier process would take me weeks to months of extra work as the move will generate bugs as well as other things. I do not want to spend time for that which I can be using doing other things such as improving the bot, adding features, editing wikipedia... you know...
- In order the bot to work in any other channel I would have to restructure the bots code for all channels the bot operates for (thats over 14 channels). I would also have to rename practicaly every file and folder. Alternatively I could include a special if case for en which would decrease efficency by 50% since there will be twice as many checks.
- The problem I am facing with this issue is a product of bots efficency. The code can work on all wikis because of this feature.
- -- Cat 14:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
non-english Redirect delete
Last time I checked, non-english was not a speedy deletion criteria for redirects while it is for articles even then they are not speedied but put for deletion. I hope you will correct your error at once. -- Cat 21:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Cool Cat! I didn't delete for not being in English (although the user who nominated did so for that reason, using fairly unpleasant language). I deleted for CSD-R3, implausible typo. It struck me as an odd situation: non-English language redirects that had no history and nothing linked to them, with no details as to why on the talk pages. After all, it's not something we commonly - or at all - do with redirects.
- But if there was a point, I'll happily undelete but the reasoning needs to be added to the talk page (I'll add it myself if you like). But I'd really like to know what it is! :o) Cheers mate! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- I'd like to know who this individual is and what he said. He isn't anyone I am tracking so I did not notice the articles speedy tagging. As I created the redirect today I more than suspect stalking. (I have very few friends on wikipedia and quite a number of enemies (mostly vandals such as User:MARMOT))
- The redirect for ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 is the official title of the series. The series is a japanese one and it is only logical for it to link to the respective article. It is an alternative speling of the series.
- Situation is very simmilar to Allah. The article in question explains the muslim deity/god and the name is of arabic origin. The arabic script links to the page if I recall correctly.
- Sorry for the confortious initial attitide. I am kinda under stress and loose my cool easily these days... Yes its one of those times...
- -- Cat 21:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hey, no worries! I'll get my undelete boots on now. I don't reckon this type of redirect would survive an RfD-type process, but about 100 similar redirects were all nominated by a single anon, at speed, earlier today. I did a couple (some of them were persuasively weird) as I was on CSD patrol at the time, then got bored and went for a cup of tea. When I got back they'd all gone, either speedied or despeedied, I didn't look. I was just grateful it wasn't my problem!
- Done! Histories of ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 merged back together, interestingly removing my existence from the article's history altogether. HTH! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 22:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- So long as people keep their hailing frequencies open and phasers put aside, there is no reason for me to feel stressed. Thank you for your kind touch in processing this matter. Hopefully it was as pleasant for you as it was as pleasant for me. You have no idea how rare I get to work with people these days.
- What you are telling me is a bit trobling. Is there a list of the speedies by this annon. It sounds most distressing even though a delete is a reversable process. I just want to make sure no valid redirect slips by and stay deleted.
- -- Cat 01:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Done! Histories of ああっ女神さまっ それぞれの翼 merged back together, interestingly removing my existence from the article's history altogether. HTH! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 22:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Right - you're not going to like this! I've done some research and, by digging around in the logs I've found the complete list of non-English redirects deleted yesterday after being nominated by 58.87.150.207 (talk · contribs · count). The ones that survived are in that anon's contributions list. There's also something on the talk page, where an editor has asked the anon to stop nominating.
- So, that complete list: it's a long one. I'll print it below to save you having to dig the info out for yourself. Three admins did the deleting (all in good faith, like me, I'm sure: these were odd redirects and were nominated for deletion by someone else, so it's not rogue admins on the prowl!). The bad news: there's currently a big kick on wheel-warring, with it not being unknown for permanent blocks to be handed out for undoing the actions of admins; so I'm not willing to undelete these, I'm afraid. Chickenshit. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 10:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the log. No I would not want you to end up overiding another admin, I know that kind of stuff can get quite nasty in no time. I'd not want you to get stressed. I will however talk to the admins deleting the pages. I know at least one of them to be a very reasonable person. Like I said, phasers vs hailing frequencies. I'll choose the latter. -- Cat 13:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- So, that complete list: it's a long one. I'll print it below to save you having to dig the info out for yourself. Three admins did the deleting (all in good faith, like me, I'm sure: these were odd redirects and were nominated for deletion by someone else, so it's not rogue admins on the prowl!). The bad news: there's currently a big kick on wheel-warring, with it not being unknown for permanent blocks to be handed out for undoing the actions of admins; so I'm not willing to undelete these, I'm afraid. Chickenshit. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 10:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Non english redirects - Mackensen
I have noticed/been notified that you have deleted quite a number of non-english redirect pages (a list is avalible on my talk page). I was wondering if you were willing to undelete them since it isn't in accordance with the speedy deletion criteria.
It is common practice to use redirects to link official names of the organisations, places, tv shows, games, etc to the article with the most comon english name.
-- Cat 13:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I hope I'm the reasonable one ;). Yes, I'll start undeleting those. At the time, I was simply dealing what appeared to be a gigantic backlog in CAT:CSD. Mackensen (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well I only know Doc glasgow, but you are more than reasonable. No harm done, and thank you for your efforts. I know while dealing with backlogs things may slip by. :) -- Cat 16:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Non english redirects - Ragib
I have noticed/been notified that you have deleted quite a number of non-english redirect pages (a list is avalible on my talk page). I was wondering if you were willing to undelete them since it isn't in accordance with the speedy deletion criteria.
It is common practice to use redirects to link official names of the organisations, places, tv shows, games, etc to the article with the most comon english name.
-- Cat 13:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, just like Mackensen, I was cleaning a backlog in CSD. I'm not totally sure about the redirect-in-other-languages issue, i.e. whether it is speediable, so I left a clarification request in WP:ANB. I'd be happy to undelete the redirects once the policy regarding this is clarified. Thanks. --Ragib 20:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. :) -- Cat 09:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
log
- Time, date, deleting admin, page deleted, (comment - usually automatically generated)
- 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 姚重華 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Emperor Shun')
- 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 파리의 연인 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Lovers In Paris')
- 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 진양호 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Jinyang Lake')
- 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 조선왕조 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Joseon Dynasty')
- 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 조선 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Joseon Dynasty')
- 21:03, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 이상은 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Lee Tzsche')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 위키백과 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Misplaced Pages')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 옥수수차 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Oksusu cha')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 여의도 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Yeouido')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 신중현 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Shin Jung-hyeon')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 스트래스필드 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Strathfield, New South Wales')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 수정과 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Sujeonggwa')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 동서대학교 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Dongseo University')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 白露 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Bailu')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 白井竜 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Shirai Ryu')
- 21:02, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 実戦パチスロ必勝法! 北斗の拳 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Jissen PachiSlot Hisshou Hou! PachiSlot Hokuto no Ken')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 黒田 清隆 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kuroda Kiyotaka')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 首都圏中央連絡自動車道 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Ken-O Expressway')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 谷雨 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Guyu')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 角宿二 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Zeta Virginis')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 虞舜 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Emperor Shun')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 破邪巨星Gダンガイオー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect:Great Dangaioh')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 破邪大星ダンガイオー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect:Dangaioh')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted マリみて (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Maria-sama ga Miteru')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マンキー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Mankey')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マルマイン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Electrode (Pokémon)')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マリア様がみてる (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Maria-sama ga Miteru')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マタドガス (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Weezing')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted マッピー (コンピューターゲーム) (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirectMappy')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ポニータ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Ponyta')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ポケットモンスター (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Pokémon')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김일성 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kim Il-sung')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ベロリンガ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Lickitung')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김일성장군의 노래 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Kim Il-sung')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ベトベトン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Muk')
- 21:01, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 김형곤 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Kim Hyung-Gon')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワリオワールド (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Wario World Category:Redirects from Japanese words/names')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワンダと巨像 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Shadow of the Colossus')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted ワンリキー (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Machop')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 六翼天使(Seraphim) (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Seraphim (band)')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 南越 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Nanyue')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 古今图书集成 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Gujin tushu jicheng')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 台湾 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Taiwan')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ファイナルファンタジ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Final Fantasy')
- 21:00, 21 April 2006 Mackensen deleted 台灣啤酒 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Taiwan Beer')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ファイナルファンタジーIV (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECTFinal Fantasy IV')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted ファイナルファンタジーVII アドベントチルドレン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フシギダネ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Bulbasaur')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フシギバナ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Venusaur')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フリクリ (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT FLCL')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted フーディン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Alakazam')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted プクリン (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Wigglytuff')
- 20:59, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted プチさな (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Sanae Shintani')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 팬텀 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Gengar')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 평양 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Pyongyang')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 한국어 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Korean language')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 한국 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Korea')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 한대수 (content was: '{db|not english}#redirect Hahn Dae-soo')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 화랑도 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Hwa Rang Do')
- 20:58, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 황우석 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT: Hwang Woo-Suk')
- 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 蘆笙 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Lusheng')
- 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 蔣介石 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Chiang Kai-shek {R from alternate language}')
- 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 葵の上 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Aoi no Ue')
- 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 胸いっぱいのこの愛を 誰より君に (content was: '{db|not engrish}#redirect Jewelry (group)')
- 20:57, 21 April 2006 Doc glasgow deleted 社会民主党 (content was: '{db|not engrish}#REDIRECT Social Democratic Party (Japan)')
- 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted イノセンス (not english)
- 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted イタリア村Italia Mura (not english)
- 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted ゆらめき (not english)
- 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted みずほ銀行 (not english)
- 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted ぷちぷり＊ユーシィ (not english)
- 19:45, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted ちば (not english)
- 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アーロン (not english)
- 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アーボック (not english)
- 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アルベドˑピアソラ (not english)
- 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アメリカ村 (not english)
- 19:43, 21 April 2006 Ragib deleted アドバンスドポリス (not english)
mIRC script for #wikipedia-de-vandalism
hi!
somehow the access rights got blown away; I can't execute bl add or bnu add due to lacking access... may you please be so kind and give "HardDisk_WP" normal access rights again?
thanks, de:User:HardDisk@84.56.17.242 19:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
ps: the bot should not escape wikilinks in ]s with () and other special chars because chatzilla double-escapes them when clicking.
- Done. -- Cat 19:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- thanks...by the way: would you assist me to port the script to PHP and move it to the m:Toolserver then?
- greets,de:User:HardDisk@84.56.0.241 23:31, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Turkish Kurdistan
The vote was peppered with votestacking and cannot be seen as concensus. -- Cat 20:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ah well, ok. There was votestacking from from the other side, however. (mostly the work of TuzsuzDeliBekir) —Khoikhoi 22:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Like I said... there is vote stacking... I am not trying to find blame. Hence the vote has no value. Syrian Kurdistan however is based on concensus. -- Cat 22:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Wiki-Cat
Hi. I placed myself up for constructive critisism on WP:ER. I'd appreciate it if you could comment there. As a senior member of the community, I think your words would be good for me. And my apologies for my removal for your rfa link, I hope you accept I was only attempting to help.-Zero 19:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- No harm done. The top of my talk page is a place where I keep my ongoing disputes. Sometimes those are red links for what I'm planning. I genealy hope to resolve the dispute w/o rfcs or rfars. That is one of the reasons why that link has stayed as a red link.
- I do not believe there are any seniority among wikipedia comunity
- -- Cat 00:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- I believe a certain understanding of wikipedia entells when one spends enough time on site. You and I have been wikipedians for over a year now. I think that means we should have some amount of seniority. -Zero 04:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Kurd issue
Feel free to signal me whenever you are ready. :) -- Cat 13:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I forgot. :-( -- Francs2000 13:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thought so :) Well since I have your attention now I was wondering if you could take a look at Batman, Turkey and Batman Province. In my belief we stay away from demographics claims that are not based on actual census but rather estimates of lets say the BBC.
- I also feel the disclaimer is disgusting on Batman, Turkey. See my version
- Also I whelmingly oppose the presence of a Category:Kurdistan on this article.
- -- Cat 13:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have written something over at Talk:Batman, Turkey about how the article should be phrased regarding the population of Kurds in the city. I'll have a look at the category later, but right now I have to get back to work (i.e. what I'm being paid to do!) -- Francs2000 14:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Money is good ;) -- Cat 15:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have written something over at Talk:Batman, Turkey about how the article should be phrased regarding the population of Kurds in the city. I'll have a look at the category later, but right now I have to get back to work (i.e. what I'm being paid to do!) -- Francs2000
Fujiwara no Teika
Per the Peer Review, where you said you found the clan business confusing: I've reworked that section. Is the new version clearer? --maru (talk) contribs 01:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Yes. It explains why poetry was significant and what it had to do with clans. Looks much better. I think it can be a FA now. :) -- Cat 10:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Batman, Turkey
I was being civil... I am curious what I said had offended you. -- Cat 15:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Be careful of what you write - you may not have meant it to be sarcastic, but that's the way it came across. I'm going to be offline now because I have work to do so if I don't respond until tomorrow it's not because I'm ignoring you. -- Francs2000 15:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I... dont know what to say. OK. I am sorry for that. No sarcasm or offense was intended.
- Regarding the info you provided. I have this . It talks about Turkish goverments denial to accpet its Kurdish population. The site isnt neutral but the site claims the source is the US Gov.
- I could not find this report but I have found this which is the US embasy in stockholm
- Thats all I got for now.
- -- Cat 15:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's something that's going to piss you off...
I always suspected that User:Retau was a sockpuppet of Diyako/Xebat, but now I'm almost certain. Check his latest contributions - he just created Category:Kurdish cities and added it to articles like Kahramanmaraş Province and Kirkuk. Besides, Xebat is currently blocked for 2 months (and will probably be banned for one year), so it makes sense why he would try to evade it. Just wanted to let you know. —Khoikhoi 04:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Shukran for that. I have placed him under survelance.
- I also have placed two of the stub categories he created for speedy deletion as we already voted that they were inaprorate.
- I also requested a sockpuppet check on him.
- Enjoy the fireworks... :)
- -- Cat 10:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hehehe. :) Have you also noticed Category:Kurdish provinces? How POV can you get? —Khoikhoi 17:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Kurdistan/Kurd stubs
I deleted the politician stub, but I think you should TfD this one: {{Kurdistan-bio-stub}}. - FrancisTyers 11:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Is that really necesary? Same arguments apply. And both were created by the same person whom is also a suspected sockpuppet (not just by me). -- Cat 11:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- We have {{africa-bio-stub}}, which isn't a country. The TfD seemed to deal with just politicians. - FrancisTyers 11:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well... You love burocracy, I'll give you that. Done. However I expect nothing less than vote stacking... -- Cat 11:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- We have {{africa-bio-stub}}, which isn't a country. The TfD seemed to deal with just politicians. - FrancisTyers 11:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Signature
Is it posible for you to have a talk page link? :) -- Cat 11:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hah, tired of seeing my face? :)) Well, I considered it, but I don't really know how to do a personalised sig, and I'm not sure I really approve of the whole practice. Perhaps I could have a very reserved version? - FrancisTyers 11:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Your face is nice, but I'd prefer a pretty girl instead :P
- I'll tutor you in the process, its actualy quite simple. Click preferances sellect the checkbox for "raw signatures". And replace the field (labeled "Nickname:") with something like:
- ] ]
- It is the same wiki code, nothing special. Of course you can make it beultiful like my simple sig. :)
- -- Cat 12:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Ongoing discussion
have you read my comment on your talk page. You archived w/o responding (I just dont want you to miss anything :) ) -- Cat 10:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- It's in my to do file - I know where the comment is, I just can't do anything about it just at this moment in time. I like to archive my talk page when the number of messages reaches an orderly figure: call me obsessive-compulsive if you want to! -- Francs2000 12:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I was just concerned about accidental archiving. Have you happen to take a look at my archive(s)? I am ten times worse than you ^_^. Oh I dont mind if you steal my format. -- Cat 12:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
oki, it seems that people can talk how they want and accuse someone to be another
I am new here and don´t now exactly how to write and answer to some stupid comments.. these words are wrong choosen, for second I don´t understand why the admin even listen to this people on of their kind. as I have said before, I want to make it clear to everybody what is what and what is not User:Retau
- In my view you are innocent till proven guilty so I will treat you like a newbie.
- One thing you need to learn is civility. You dont declare comments by others as "stupid". See WP:NPA for this rule.
- We have a set of rules and processes we use. You cannot just try to change that. You have recreated something wikipedia comunity decided was not approporate and I am refering to the stub type you have created which was deleted.
- I do not understand what you mean by 'what is what and what is not'.
- -- Cat 19:41, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Muhamed
Hi, I notice that three arbitrators have considered your application and voted to reject, because Muhamed hasn't edited English Misplaced Pages for over a month. Would you mind if I closed this request without prejudice? If he ever returns to English Misplaced Pages and his behavior continues to present a problem, you will be able to re-open the request at any time. --Tony Sidaway 22:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thats possible but I was really hoping for some sort of general ruling that discourages such behaviour.
- I know it is common sense, so I do not believe it is too hard to make it a policy. But if you feel that isn't possible feel free to close it.
- -- Cat 22:59, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
User talk:Cool Cat/Legend...
I hope you don't mind but I did some slight modifications to the legend including making it so that it only included the top portion without the examples if transcluded into a page, and I also changed it slightly so that it has a header to that section only when transcluded but doesn't appear on the original version. Feel free to revert if you don't like them but I hope they help make it look better. Pegasus1138 ---- 05:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- I do mind. And all I have to say is thank you. :) Keep up the good work. and no I have no problem with it, and infact I actualy like it. :) Hence I refuse to revert -- Cat 23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Please help
Hi. Can you please explain to this user why the additon of those categories are POV? I'd do it myself, but he hates me. —Khoikhoi 06:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, there's also a Category:Turkish terrorists. —Khoikhoi 23:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Already done. I also have placed the head category up for deletion and all its sub categories. -- Cat 15:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
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May
PKK
I've read the archive 1 of the PKK articles Talk Page and all I can say is that you are highly biased. I do not think you should be contributing to the PKK article. The information you provide is inaccurate on every section of the article. I think this biased is due to the event you have included in during you in the GAP project. You also very oftenly use in your arguments the fact that Turgut Ozal had Kurdish ties but you do not mention that by many it is believed that he was murdered. What you provide for the article has a POV and I would like to ask you to stop your hatred on the PKK and Kurds because I as a Kurd see what you call a Terrorist Organisation a solution to the Kurdish Problem. Finally, you've said that it is not a bad idea for the Turkish nationalist to force everyone to be one nationality. I am sorry but that is not the way it is. There is over 20 million Kurds in Turkey and many do not want to be called Mountain Turks. What Ataturk did was a big mistake he tried to make everyone Turkish, he couldn't accept differences and I see a problem there, I see a big mistake that is still continuing. Ozgurgerilla 09:08, 1 May 2006
- Frankly, I think you must not be telling which articles I or anyone shouldn't edit.
- I also do not understand why the heck are you sharing your beliefs with me. From what I can see you are at least ten times more biased than myself.
- -- Cat 13:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think I have the freedom to ask somebody to not contribute on a particular article if I believe that person is biased. Because I have close ties with the PKK I do not want to contribute on the PKK article. I believe you have national sympathy towards the Turks, at the least, I dig this from your contributions. Please let people with NPOV to contribute. I take your "at least ten times more biased" comment as nonsense. Ozgurgerilla 04:24, 2 May 2006
- You are correct, "at least ten times more biased" comment was indeed nonsense.
- People do not have NPOV. WP:NPOV is a wikipedia policy which dictates articles be written in a neutral tone. For instance calling PKK a "terrorist" organisation is out of the question. It is also out of the question to declare it as a "freedom fighting" organisation.
- You do not have the freedom to ask anyone not contribute on a particular article as per WP:NPOV, WP:CIVIL, and a large number of non-negotiable wikipedia policies.
- I have sympathy towards Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Americans, Japanese, and a long list of people. I believe it would be imposible for me to edit any wikipedia article if that was a problem.
- You are welcome to cycle through my contributions, I have nothing to hide. If you check deep enough, you will discover that I have reverted people adding "terrorist" referance to articles such as the PKK, or Sep 11th attacks. What you may not see is the deletions I have gotten involved. I have for example recently gotten Category:Kurdish Terrorists deleted. I also gotten Category:Turkish Terrorists deleted.
- So as a new editor please do not attempt to dictate what I can do and cannot do. If you want to work with me, you are welcome to do so. If so, how can I help you?
- -- Cat 17:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think I have the freedom to ask somebody to not contribute on a particular article if I believe that person is biased. Because I have close ties with the PKK I do not want to contribute on the PKK article. I believe you have national sympathy towards the Turks, at the least, I dig this from your contributions. Please let people with NPOV to contribute. I take your "at least ten times more biased" comment as nonsense. Ozgurgerilla 04:24, 2 May 2006
IRC bot
Hi. I've ask you, some time ago, to put a irc bot on wikipedia-pt-vandalism. Is it working properly ? I cannot send commands to the bot (actually i dont remenber what commands it accepts. lijealso 00:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. I'll add you to the bots database so you have access. Saying Computer Help in channel will give you the list of the commands you can use. -- Cat 13:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok. My IRC nick is the same as my username: "lijealso". Thanks. lijealso 20:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- You now have full access :) -- Cat 05:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok. My IRC nick is the same as my username: "lijealso". Thanks. lijealso 20:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
{{Turkey-geo-stub}}
It has been split as you suggested, so if you feel like helping in the sorting or recruiting others, you're more than welcome. :) Aelfthrytha 05:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the barnstar. I'm glad you enjoy my contributions. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 19:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Blended wing spacecraft
I've seen all of Planetes (twice!) and I'm rather familiar with NASA, so I feel qualified to comment on this ... NASA sure as hell didn't lift the design for the blended wing spacecraft from an anime. Designs of that nature have been kicking around for decades. If anything, Planetes used the real-life prototypes as a model for their vision of what spacecraft might look like in the future. If you watch the extras discs on the special edition DVDs you'll see that they conducted various interviews with NASA to make sure they got all of their science right. So Planetes took the design from NASA, not the other way around. --Cyde Weys 20:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- That is of course true. Creating an aircraft design is a delicate, tiring process requiring lots of hard work and donuts. NASA of course didn't steal the designs.
- I am only fascinated that something thats seen on the show has a very good chance of becoming an actual ship. It is an exciting era, isnt it?
- -- Cat 20:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Teika formatting
Remember Fujiwara no Teika? Well, I'm trying to get those nice little boxes you set up to be in the center instead of left-aligning (I've asked around, and people find center aligning better, apparently), but I can't figure out how- the relevant code already says "center". --maru (talk) contribs 05:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- Aye aye, done. :) -- Cat 08:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Template:Nihongo
What damage are we taling about? -- Cat 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think all articles in question should be modified to be more compatible with my change. Taking care of repetive usage is the point of templates. -- Cat 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
It's late, I'll explain tomorrow. Basically all the articles used the template with "it is known as !"$%£ in Japanese" and you changed it to "it is known as Japanese:!"$%£ in Japanese". Yeah. Highway 23:51, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I see. Still I think "it is known in japanese" is unnecesary. We can just use the format I came up with. -- Cat 23:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Your change does not work into good English. It is very difficult to make a defunct label work into context. And it isn't your template, all edits are equal. Highway 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am going to fucking sleep. I will deal with this tomorrow. Please leave it until I can sort this out. Highway 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- There is no one forcing you to respond immidiately. When I post on a talk page I expect people to respond at the most convinient time to them. Please be civil.
- My change works fine with english. I have been using that syntax on a very large number of articles. Take a look at List of Oh My Goddess episodes and all linked episode pages (aside from ovas).
- Any template I create or make significant change becomes "my template" in a conversation for easy referance. Saying "my" is much more conviniant than repetively typing out the templats name. This doesnt mean I own them of course.
- -- Cat 09:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am going to fucking sleep. I will deal with this tomorrow. Please leave it until I can sort this out. Highway 23:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Fine, I'm sorry it was 1am and I was tired. Is there any way we can come to a compromise? Could we have to separate templates? It's just completely fecked up articles that use paragraphs. Highway 10:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, we can rewrite every paragraph to make them better. I vote for that option. All I want is whats best for wikipedia. The syntax I propose has been the standard I observed.
- We do not have to follow either suggestion. I just feel a sentence is redundent when its talking about the japanese meaning in a lenghty tone which could also be achieved with one word: (Japanese: )
- -- Cat 14:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- All that does is trap editors into having rewrite a sentence a particular way because of it. Now you can have Japanese shoved at the front of another template, but please at least leave one that still functions fine alone to at least preserve the thousands of articles it would damage. Highway 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Fine, I'm sorry it was 1am and I was tired. Is there any way we can come to a compromise? Could we have to separate templates? It's just completely fecked up articles that use paragraphs. Highway 10:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, lets get one thing straight. I am not trying to disrupt wikipedia nor trapping anyone. Your hostile attitide is starting to bother me.
- It is possible to rewrite the 'thousands of articles' with a bot in a few seconds so thats not an issue either. So there is no damage.
- So what is the issue, that I dont understand.
- -- Cat 15:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- I also do not see a single article my modification "breaks" -- Cat 15:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Heja helweda
I think you have had some experience with this user adding information that is not properly sourced. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at Talk:History_of_the_Kurds#Zoroaster_and_Yazidis where he is trying to add this rather large paragraph based on this article on "findarticles.com" which in my opinion is not academic at all, article is full of "I think"s and the author has made up conclusions which I think should not be put on Misplaced Pages.
Perhaps I am wrong here, but I read that Jimbo insists that for anything disputable there has to be SOLID and VERIFABLE sources, not what "Sheikh Dawresh Kalesh" (Google search = 0) would say and how the author has claimed that it is infact, true!..
Anyway you might also want to check out Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#.
Thanks, -- - K a s h 11:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- You may want to add this to the rfc I filed. Seek arbitration if he insists on being disruptive. I can offer little assistance at this point as I got my hands full, sorry. -- Cat 19:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
blocked
I have blocked you for 48 hours for violating the ArbCom ruling about disruptive edits in Kurd-related areas as brought up recently on AN/I. Take the time to cool off, and come back more receptive to community consensus please. -lethe 13:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Ban on kurd-related editing
- As your mentor, I'm letting Lethe's block stand, and I'm taking the step of banning you from editing, creating or nominating for deletion any articles, categories or templates related to the kurds. This is for an initial period of one week to be extended indefinitely if the other two mentors agree.
- This ban doesn't restrict your use of related talk pages. --Tony Sidaway 05:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- You have banned me from editing articles... something I havent done in ages. Yur ban is over ONE cfding of a category. You have also banned me from voting.... -- Cat 07:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Should you return to participating in Kurd-related talk pages I would ask you to make reasonable arguments and to not simply oppose efforts of others who may not share your views. It would seem that admins agree that there has been a pattern of editing here that warrants this remedy -- it is not a simple case of ONE CFD. I personally was annoyed that the CFD appeared to be a direct response to my having used the category. FWIW, I don't see anything above that would indicate that you're being disenfranchised, only that you should not nominate a Kurd-related category for deletion. --Moby 09:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- DON'T PATRONISE ME! -- Cat 09:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Should you return to participating in Kurd-related talk pages I would ask you to make reasonable arguments and to not simply oppose efforts of others who may not share your views. It would seem that admins agree that there has been a pattern of editing here that warrants this remedy -- it is not a simple case of ONE CFD. I personally was annoyed that the CFD appeared to be a direct response to my having used the category. FWIW, I don't see anything above that would indicate that you're being disenfranchised, only that you should not nominate a Kurd-related category for deletion. --Moby 09:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Mgm has opposed the ban. As he is one of the two other mentors, I've rescinded the ban pending further discussion . --Tony Sidaway 15:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am still blocked so I cant participate in that discussion. -- Cat 15:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Southeastern_Anatolia_Project
I believe the criticisim setcion is not in accordance with wikipedias NPOV policy. . I do not believe Southeastern_Anatolia_Project was built just to inconviniance kurds or destroy historic sites (turkey is full of historic sites on every corner especialy on river beds for perhaps obvious reasons)
Since people are decently quick to revert my edits, just like davenbelle. Thought you may want to look at it.
-- Cat 07:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I'm a bit too busy with other stuff to help out right now. If you need a speedy response, I suggest you talk to someone else. - Mgm| 07:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I can wait. Besides, I'd prefer the touch of MacGyver Magic in this matter ;) -- Cat 08:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Kurdish deletion nomination
We have 3 categories created to mark places where kurds supposively are a majority. My deletion nominations were not in bad faith. Two of the categories were created by a suspected sockpuppet of a user that has been banned for a serious amount of time.
The other (last nom) was created as a comprimise per my request. But I later decided categorising by ethnicity is a bad idea given we do not have any verifiable demographics data on kurds.
Also no where else do we categorise based on ethnicity, however we have articles for census data.
I just wanted to make my standing clear.
-- Cat 07:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I apologise for questioning the faith of your CfD nominations. As you can see, I do agree with you that ethnic geography categories are a bad idea. In fact the most recent nomination was probably the most clear-cut (it made no grammatical sense as a category name). I can understand the frustration of Kurdish editors, though I do not know how we can resolve this issue. TheGrappler 17:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thats ok, no real harm done. Though I wouldnt mind if you stated something parallel to that comment on the nomination pages.
- I am currently dealing with User:Moby Dick, but aside from that I am not certain how to handle editors who appear to be campaigning in categorising teritory with the basis of weather or not its kurdish.
- The deletion process may fail and we may have 3 different kurdish territory categories as people are assuming bad faith in their votes now by panic keeping... I do not believe in wiki-politics but I do not beieve I should be renominating them if that happens. I am open for suggestions.
- -- Cat 18:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Public apologies are now listed at the nominations page. Good faith now well and truly assumed :) TheGrappler 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for your comment! I really appriciate it. What I appriciate more is the good faith tho. It takes courage to apologise publicaly, a courage I often lack :( -- Cat 19:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Public apologies are now listed at the nominations page. Good faith now well and truly assumed :) TheGrappler 19:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Category:Kurdish provinces Category:Kurdish cities Category:Kurdish inhabited region
Do you follow my rationale regarding my attempts for deletion of kurdish inhabited region categories?
We dont even have any census data for the Kurds. We cant categorise demographics based on supersticion, rumors or beliefs right?
Even with a census we do not tag D.C. as a black city that would be asking for trobble. Instead census data is presented via maps and other means. See: United States Census, 2000
Also you should realise the other two categories were created by a user who is a suspected sockpuppet of another
-- Cat 08:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Many U.S. cities have black neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods or Chinatowns. --Uncle Ed 22:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes none are categorised as "Black inhabited region", "jewish inhabited region", "white inhabited region" etc.
- Just categorising New York based on ethnicity can easily be a nightmare. You know... questions such as "What percentage qualifies to be a black city" etc.. What about "half breeds" and the "other"?
- -- Cat 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Also feel free to join the discusion at Talk:Diyarbakır and the capital of Turkish Kurdistan. This may be the first step in someone else understanding my concerns.
- First it starts with Category:Kurdistan (which was bad enough as far as I care), then we have a Turkish Kurdistan, then we have Diyarbakır becoming a kurdish dominant city.... and now Diyarbakır is the capital of Turkish Kurdistan.
- -- Cat 23:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Need Help
I know you help newcomers and I am not one, do you know how to delete the "contents" table? I'd love to delete it from my userpage --Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Add __NOTOC__ anywhere to the page. See Misplaced Pages:How_to_edit_a_page#Table_of_contents. -lethe 20:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- __NOTOC__ would do that, I have done so for you. -- Cat 20:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you very much --Argentino (talk/cont.) 20:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Category:Kurdish inhabited region deletion nom
Yes it was initialy a comprimise but after seeing the Kurdish Cities and Kurdish Provinces cat I realised what we are doing or trying to do with this category can be quie problematic. No wehere else do we categorise by ethnicity even when we have census data establish ethnicity rations. For kurds we dont even have that. All we have is an asumption that kurds dominate random cities, provinces, and other places. -- Cat 19:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, but there should be some category for Kurds. I mean, there must be some reliable sources out there that confirm that they're a majority in certain cities or provinces. Also, is there any way to fix the Turkish people page? If "Turkish" is only a nationality as you said before, than the two main ethnic groups in Turkey are Kurds and...? Please explain, thanks. —Khoikhoi 03:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- There are no reliable sources to determine if kurds are a majority anywhere in the midle east. There was never a census. Take a look at United States Census, 2000. That gives us reliable info regarding ethnicity, even with that we do not tag based on ethnicity.
- This isnt about weather or not kurds are a majority. This is about us tagging based on ethnicity. We do not do anything like this on the rest of wikipedia. Consider me tagging all cities and provinces of ], Germany and many other nations with a "White inhabited region" category. Or much better consider how hard it would be to tag cities like Jerusalem.
- -- Cat 09:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Category:Kurdish inhabited region
Hi, I'd like to inquire why is this category useful? -- Cat 09:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Kurds don't have own state; they are split between several countries, so this category is natural replacement of what could be category:Subdivisions of Kurdistan, like there is Category:Subdivisions of Russia. As for your argument, "we do not do this for other ethnicities", every rule has exceptions. Special cases do exist in the real world. For example, there are Jews, who organize information about themselves in wikipedia in a unique way. `'mikka (t) 15:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- The native americans, african americans, aborigines (australia), dozens of other ethnicities throughout the planet lack a state. If kurds dont have a state, they dont have a state and categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice.
- Kurdistan has no defined borders. Any border we talk about is circumstantial and someone else can easily come up with more expanded borders or something much smaller. Furthermore for the case of kurds we have no way of knowing how many there are nor do we know on which cities they are a majority.
- Your Category:Subdivisions of Russia example is inconclusive. While I am not not certain exactly how Subdivisions of Russia works, from what I understand the government does not object to this kind of grouping. I suspect it has to do with population ratios and climate, not ethnicity occupation percentages. It is nothing like the case of Kurdistan.
- You should understand categories are binary in nature, Kurds either live at a place or they don't. Categorising to this end can be highly contraversial. Which cities would fall under a Kurdistan? Who determines which cities qualify? You? Me? Some other random user? If there is a necesity to 'organize information' a wikiproject, or an article, or something in a userspace can handle that. Same thing can also be achieved with a paragraph on Kurdistan. Something along the line as 'foo source claims these provinces to be in kurdistan'. We do not tag New York to be a jewish city under such a category.
- -- Cat 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- "categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice." - I am afraid, colleague, you are excessively politicizing the issue. Misplaced Pages is not an advisor at UN and categirzing in this way does not give any legitimacy for ideas of "Greated Kurdistan" or whatever. If certain settlements are traditionally classified as having significant kurdish population, it is a fact and can be categorized. And I see no problem in categorizing places where Australian aborigenes still live unassimilated. I would find this useful as well. Thank you for the idea. `'mikka (t) 04:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- No, of course we are not the UN, but that is not the point. The political aspect surrounding Kurdistan should not be ignored and instead should be taken into account when categorising. Some people living in SE Turkey whelmingly and even violenly oppose a Kurdistan while others whelmingly and even violently support a Kurdistan.
- I am not being excessive. I just want to keep the politics from both sides (pro-Kurdistan or anti-kurdistan) off of the articles. I'd rather not have a dozen pov forks. The Kurdistan issue can be discussed in articles like Kurdistan, Kurds in Turkey, Kurdish nationalism etc.
- As for "categorising them as if they have a state would be bad practice." comment, I was merely trying to point out my POV. I do not try to hide my POV as I prefer objective insight from other parties, in this case you.
- Currently we are categorising Rome, and Stockholm under the Category:Kurdish inhabited region. Needless to say Stockholm and Hakkari don't have much in common aside from being human settlements, they arent even on the same continent. There are no 'traditional' cities classified. We have no reliable source to categorise, not even a census. Your word is as good as mine when we tag articles with this category. That was the hole point I was trying to emphacise.
- I also fail to see the usefullness of categorising based on ethnicity. I am not trying to pull your leg but I honestly do not see the benefit it brings.
- Oh and btw please respond on my talk page too so I know when you post a response. :)
- -- Cat 22:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Help me!
Hello! I'm a Persian Wikipedian and I wanna build a robot, but I like to build a one in English Misplaced Pages. So Can you help to make a bot step by step??? Thanks a lot! --MehranVB 17:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- What is the language code of persian wikipedia? I can modify my bot with a few commands to monitor persian wikipedia. -- Cat 22:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- The code of persian wikipedia is fa. But my mind is having a robot for myself. (In other words I wanna build a new robot, but I don't know how??? I downloaded the Python but what's the next step???)
Thanks a lot!--MehranVB 08:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- I know little about phython, but per your request I have modified my bot to moitor Persian wikipedia for vandalism.
- You can use the bot on #wikipedia-fa-vandalism on irc.freenode.net
- If you need any other help, I'll be more than willing to assist.
- -- Cat 22:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Photos
Misplaced Pages must contains pictures. Misplaced Pages community published Mohammed's cartoons in the name of freedom of speech. Ruzgar 20:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, and there are many others such as myself who thinks of that to be problematic.
- I do not feel it is necesary to display photos on the PKK page. The terrorism PKK commited can be expressed with words, the Mohammed cartoons cannot. Generaly pictures of bloodshed and/or corpses are only necessary when there arent convincing arguments.
- I understand exactly how you feel about the PKK, and I share your feelings to a degree however I do not believe the pictures are aproporate on the article.
- -- Cat 22:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
PKK photo
Hi. The same picture is also at the Civilian casualties caused by PKK article. —Khoikhoi 22:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think such a picture may be approporate on an article talking about the deceaced in the conflict. However, I do not believe it is absolutely necesary. A statistic can be much more encyclopedic.
- I do not want to make contraversial edits on any article related to kurds since people do not seem to appriciate my efforts as it is apperant on the WP:ANB/I. I wont be intimidated by anyone. I will continue to make an effort to keep pov pushers at bay and continue to be vigilant however now I realise I should also be carefull. People seem to be trying very hard to find fault or a hidden agenda in my actions. Some are devoting their entier contribution to this end. I will not give them the satisfaction they seek.
- Do not misunderstand me, I have no quarrel with you on the contrary I respect you greatly. In fact I find your assistance most comforting when dealing with issues regarding the kurds. I have however restrictions levied on me by the ArbCom which makes it very easy for problematic users to get me blocked as we see on the recent WP:ANB/I issue. I didn't used to worry about the arbcom ruling since my stalkers left me alone, though it appears that wasn't really the case. You do not have such restrictions and you are free to edit (of course wikipedia policies apply). So if you like we can work much closer. If I detect a problematic behaviour, I can notify you and you can take action if its ok with you. What do you say?
- -- Cat 23:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I hate to break it to you, but I'm on probation as well. However, fell free to contact me whenever you want. BTW, have you seen this? ("Togrol" means "Turk" in Kurdish) —Khoikhoi 23:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be suprised if that guy cmes up with ten thousand sockpuppets. The more desperate he gets the better. I have tricks I spare for the desperate only. :)
- Oh. Btw, I believe Togrol is also a popular name in Turkey. In Kurdish Turks are often referanced as Tirk. That is, at least in one of the dialects... I generaly see each dialect as a seperate language as they are so distant from each other.
- In any case, what are your restrictions?
- -- Cat 02:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I hate to break it to you, but I'm on probation as well. However, fell free to contact me whenever you want. BTW, have you seen this? ("Togrol" means "Turk" in Kurdish) —Khoikhoi 23:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat
CoolCat,I am a friend of thewolfstar. She has asked me to ask you to please help her. She along with Merecat and many others have been blocked unfairly with no procedure followed. Thewolfstar's page is protected now, too. She and Merecat are now blocked indefinitely. Thewolfstar's unblock code has been removed by her blockers. Bishonen is involved and Swatjester, both known low-lives. Please help thewolfstar and please help Merecat. I know you hate junior highers like Bishonen and Schvatjester. Thanks Coolcat. Many like you are being blocked and extermminated left and right. It's clear that any dissenting view on Misplaced Pages is not allowed. Your friend in war and peace, Lamb of god 22:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- As a personal policy, I will offer any assitance I can to whoever is in distress. However I have to point out I am not sure what are you expecting me to do.
- From a short investigation:
- User:Merecat is a suspected sockpuppet of User:Rex071404 (or the other war around).
- The pattern of simmilar edits imply convincingly that the two editors are infact the same person. There is also a checkuser report that basicaly verifying the theory. I'll need some sort of proof or evidence suggesting the contrary to be able to do anything. For instance if this is a case where a shared computer is used by the two people editing or a case where both users use a dynamic IP range, it would be possible to consider getting them unblocked.
- The procedure in dealing with sockpuppets is instant block often without warning.
- User:Thewolfstar has been blocked repetively for personal attacks.
- Apperantly he was refering fellow editors as "Nazi".
- I do not tollerate personal attacks of any kind directed at anyone for any purpose. You must provide a damn good reason for me to even consider assisting this person.
- I would also like to clarify a matter. I do not hate any fellow editor including User:Lethe who had blocked me for 48 hours in the past week. Even though his attempts were misguided, he was trying to protect wikipedia from what appeared to be a disruptive user. Sufficive to say, I am not disruptive. People like me are not exterminated, only often mistreated. So long as people follow policy and assume good faith they will prevail.
- -- Cat 23:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- If instead of conspiracy theories and accusations of being low-lifes, I saw some indication that there was intent of good faith from these blocked editors, I would consider looking at the case. As it stands, Lamb of God seems to be heading down the same road. -lethe 09:03, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
The number of users (Thewolfstar etc..)
Care to fill me in? I am kinda curious what 'evil' you have supposively done. :) -- Cat 01:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hi there, Kawai neko! Not sure what "the number of users" refers to? But let me break down my offences for you:
- If you read thewolfstar's talkpage archive here, you will get a goood picture of my crimes. I know it's long and, uh, kind of repetitious, but just do a search for "Bishonen". As you can see, the posts from me are few; I soon decided that arguing with TWS was too surrealist for me, I'm impatient that way. But the discussions of me are pretty comprehensive! ;-)
- It was me who blocked TWS indefinitely as having exhausted the community's patience, here. Do click on the link I give there to the block log, it's kind of hair-raising. The ANI thread, which is linked to in the message, is also very telling. Unfortunately it's been archived from the ANI page, so you'll have have to use the diff to the first post that's supplied in block message.
- And thirdly: yesterday I blocked User:Lamb of god as an obvious sock (or possibly meatpuppet). It's not editing from the same IP, but the CheckUser arbitrator that I consulted laughed at the idea that it would not be a sock. And indeed, I'm convinced the community will uphold the block. That reminds me I need to go post it on WP:ANI.
- That's it, enjoy your reading. Bishonen | talk 08:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC).
- "the number of users" was refering to multiple users (puppet or not) complaining about you for blokcing them.
- It appears clear second thoughts are not necesary in this case. You didnt really had to give a lenghty response. :)
- In any case thank you for your time.
- -- Cat 17:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Diyarbakır
Maybe you can fix this: . The reference came out strangely rendered for me. --Moby 07:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Kurd category
-- - K a s h 15:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- actually there is a whole series of it! , list at -- - K a s h 15:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know. Also please check your email. -- Cat 15:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Planetes Episode 12.jpg
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fair use warning thing
I do not know if thats an automated script or not but I generaly consider it bad practice to warn the user the second they upload the image... Especialy people like me who generaly upload mass number of images first and THEN add the rationales... -- Cat 18:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, didn't realize you had just uploaded it a minute before. --Rory096 18:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
- :P Well i guess that makes you watchfull ^_^. Sorry I often get tense during my edit storms. -- Cat 18:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Dynamo ace/User AMG
I have detected and improved the template as per your request. I have also moved it to your userspace and the reason is strictly to evade an unnecesary ruckus. Userboxes are often treated with little dignity these days. -- Cat 22:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well... did you like it? :) -- Cat 13:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes i do, thanks for the recoluring and icon to the userbox, its looks much better. Could you see if it can be catagoraized (like with other userboxes)
- Also, i been fidling around with a screencap program and got some good screencaps of Sakyo Mishmia which would be better than the ones on the article, do you want them uploaded?
- -Dynamo_ace Talk
- Sure, I'll categorise it.
- I do not know what to say untill I see the screen cap. :)
- -- Cat 15:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Incivility
I consider the suggestion of WP:FLRC as a response to another featured list I wrote to be incivil and frankly rude.
It takes a lot of effort to create a featured list. FLC is to create better, nicer better organised lists. Objections should have a basis aside from personal taste. There is no 'standard' template for lists.
-- Cat 15:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Huh? I honestly don't get your point. My point was that there is a procedure to remove lists that don't deserve to be featured. That means that any featured list is not "untouchable." Maybe some lists met the standards when they were nominated but now the standards might be higher and the list does not meet them anymore. I am trying to say that using old featured list as the golden standard is not such a good practice. Simply, if there is something to improve about a list, it should be. Renata 16:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am well aware of the procedure, there is no need to mention it in a FAC. I never implied it was "untochable". You might have your own standards but flc does not. After a point it is a matter of taste and thats something quite contraversial.
- What do you suggest in place of the dvd cover images? Episode screenshots?
- -- Cat 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Umm actualy I can give you the answer. On List of Oh My Goddess episodes, article originaly had screenshots of individual episodes. During the featured nomination people said that was a violation of fair use and hence I started using dvd covers. That is why I started using dvd covers. Plus we use less images this way. -- Cat 18:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- I asked a couple of users what they think and so far I got no response. But I believe screenshots would be better. Renata 18:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Wiki-hell
I modified the page accordingly as it was broken on my browser. I hope you dont mind. :) -- Cat 22:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the fix, and for the notice of it! Cheers! BD2412 T 22:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- In return may I ask for a small favor. If interested I have two lists I'd like to have copy edited. I have been staring it for soo long I no longer see the mistakes... You know how it goes...
- Articles are FMA list Planetes list
- -- Cat 22:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Will do in about an hour - have to finish a draft reply to an appeal, and go pick up the missus. Cheers! BD2412 T 22:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
User dispute
Would you mind looking into a user dispute? I have a rather lenghty evidence I posted at ANB/I that has been siting there for some time now.
I believe user:Moby Dick is also stalking me. An arbitration hearing found Davenbelle to be stalking. I feel User:Moby Dick is a user:Davenbelle sockpuppet and hence is attempting to evade arbitration restrictions.
I assumed you would volunteer to investigate. -- Cat 19:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if you think he's a sockpuppet, I'd think the first place to go would be RfCu... --InShaneee 23:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok done, see: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Moby Dick -- Cat 09:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in here, but I think InShaneee meant a checkuser request (RFCU)- obviously you've already done that. A RFC probably isn't out of place anyway. You might also want to point out the ANI post and any talk pages discussions as evidence of trying to and failing to solve the dispute, if you think they are relevant. Petros471 10:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- ACK. I will do as you ask and point the ANI discussion. Should I pull back the rfc? -- Cat 11:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well I for one would be interested to see if anyone does actually have any comments to make first. Petros471 13:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Very well. However the RfC procedure requires at least two people certifying the basis of a dispute or else page will be deleted. Since you feel there is something that requires investigation you might want to say so in the rfc page. -- Cat 13:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, as the notice on my talk page says life is getting busy... Anyway I don't really want to see the RFC deleted, but can't really certify it as I am not really someone who has 'tried and failed to resolve it'. I've endorsed the outside view though. Hope this gets sorted out. Remember always behave better those accusing you- then you can't have your own actions turned back against you. Petros471 20:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Quite alright. All of us lead a busy life. You did not even have had to comment at the ANB/I page or on the RFC. You have my most sincere gratitude. As per equavalent trade, I'd like to do something for you. My skills with tables and templates superceeds me interwiki... But modesty aside, what can I do for you?
- Don't worry, at least one thing I learnt from my encounter with Davenbelle is that his constant baiting was why things got out of control. Moby Dick is probably trying the same thing but this fish just isn't going to bite the bait this time. Besides how cana future administrator set an example if he degrades into the level of people stalking him.
- -- Cat 21:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry for not getting back to you earlier, as the notice on my talk page says life is getting busy... Anyway I don't really want to see the RFC deleted, but can't really certify it as I am not really someone who has 'tried and failed to resolve it'. I've endorsed the outside view though. Hope this gets sorted out. Remember always behave better those accusing you- then you can't have your own actions turned back against you. Petros471 20:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Very well. However the RfC procedure requires at least two people certifying the basis of a dispute or else page will be deleted. Since you feel there is something that requires investigation you might want to say so in the rfc page. -- Cat 13:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well I for one would be interested to see if anyone does actually have any comments to make first. Petros471 13:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- ACK. I will do as you ask and point the ANI discussion. Should I pull back the rfc? -- Cat 11:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to butt in here, but I think InShaneee meant a checkuser request (RFCU)- obviously you've already done that. A RFC probably isn't out of place anyway. You might also want to point out the ANI post and any talk pages discussions as evidence of trying to and failing to solve the dispute, if you think they are relevant. Petros471 10:45, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ok done, see: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Moby Dick -- Cat 09:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, Cool Cat. I've stumbled across the rfc and I have endorsed it. I'm considering making an addition of my own edvidence as well. -Zero 20:52, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- That is most appiciated. -- Cat 21:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Adding e-mail
How do I enable an e-mail option Cool Cat? Could you just indicate the pages explaining? Thanks. --Cretanforever 14:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- On the "preferences" page there is a field where you can type in the email you want messeges to be sent to.
- You should check the checkbox labeled "Enable e-mail from other users"
- You will also need to "authenticate" it. A link should be avalible in the reddish box which should read something like:
- * E-mail (optional): Allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. If you also "Enable e-mail from other users", then others can e-mail you from your User or User talk page by using the "E-mail this user" feature. Note that the sender's e-mail address will be visible to the recipient. If you change your e-mail address, you will need to reconfirm your address.
- -- Cat 15:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- I did. Thanks. --Cretanforever 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
"Kurdish people" SFD farrago
you may want to review my response, I believe the debate can be concluded now. -- Cat 14:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've replied there, as you seem to feel the need. If you were prompting me to either vote (either way), or to close the SFD nom, I can't say I'm inclined to do either, for the reasons I've already mentioned. Doubtless one of the other SFD regulars will take care of it in due course. Alai 18:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I just wanted to get over with it :) Sorry for the bother. Alright, I'll let SFD regulars take care of it. Sorry for the torbble. -- Cat 18:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's no bother; sorry if I sounded peevish on the topic. It's just one of those cases where I find both alternatives sufficiently unattractive, not to say divisive, that I want as little as possible to do with the resolution either way. Not that that stops me from chiming in with my 2c... (Mind you, if it's stays there too much longer and no-one else closes it, it'll probably annoy me sufficiently that I will.) Alai 18:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ya. I can understand that. Contraversial cases are hard to deal with... especialy when one is divided in the middle. -- Cat 18:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's no bother; sorry if I sounded peevish on the topic. It's just one of those cases where I find both alternatives sufficiently unattractive, not to say divisive, that I want as little as possible to do with the resolution either way. Not that that stops me from chiming in with my 2c... (Mind you, if it's stays there too much longer and no-one else closes it, it'll probably annoy me sufficiently that I will.) Alai 18:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I just wanted to get over with it :) Sorry for the bother. Alright, I'll let SFD regulars take care of it. Sorry for the torbble. -- Cat 18:11, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Templates about Prime Ministers and Presidents of Turkey
Hi, I realize that you added the coat of arms related to a.m. templates. Fine! However, I can not understand why you changed the heading color from red to ice-blue. Is there a procedure also for that? If not, maybe you can revert the color by yourself. Thanks. Besides, I had already mentioned that we, members in the Turkey project, waste time to make unnecessary modifications to the work of people made by wikipedians in this project, instead of creating or extending articles. CeeGee 18:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- It isn't so much as a procedure but more about consistancy.
- I relise red and white are the official colors of Turkey but if you take a look at similar templates you will see they are all ice blue. Consider template:USpresidents, Template:CanPM, Template:Cabinet of Canada, Template:Prime Minister of Canada see also for example, the colors of the US gov is blue red and white but we do not see it in the template
- The templates you created were decent. All I am doing is honoring your hard work with my attempts to 'perfect' it more.
- Hope this helps. -- Cat 23:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Stalking/Water Under the Bridge
It has been forever and frankly I had forgotten about the hole incident regarding you. I feel now is the right time to set the record straight as you deserve no less.
Incivil behaviour is inexcusable and the way I treated you was less than civil. It was and still is indignified and unacceptable. I caused you unnecesary stress. I have been dealing with people who had been inflicting stress on me since day one and to realise that I have been no better than them...
You have to understand I have been quite jumpy since the disappearance of davenbelle and MARMOT incident. Perhaps I became a bit paranoid as well. This however does not justify my actions.
Hence, I expect you to be less than satisfied with an apology as my actions were way out of line. You have my most sincere apologies if they mean anything to you after our encounter.
-- Cat 21:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- No worries at all. You were subjected to some pretty intense harrassment yourself, which is very easy to understand. I'm an incredibly easy-going guy as you'll probably notice and many times assume good faith to the point of it being a fault. Thats why we need more down to earth people such as yourself to balance out the likes of me. :) If you ever need help with anything, feel free to ask me. -M
05:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- In order to "melt the ice", how about working together on two featured list candidates? See: FMA list Planetes list
- -- Cat 11:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
FYI
I've issued a strongly worded warning to Moby Dick about stalking . This is grounded in remedy 2 of your arbitration case (about harassment by Davenbelle, Stereotek and Fadix). --Tony Sidaway 16:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you!
- I am curious though if it would be posible to take a few precations.
- I'd like to make sure Moby Dick has no "other" sockpuppets lurking around me. If he had like 10 accounts it would be very hard for me to gather any reliable evidence.
- Posibly keeping logs that make a checkuser posible longer than a month if Moby Dick decides to stalk from a different alias. These logs can be kept on wikimedia servers away from public reach.
- -- Cat 17:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- That last would require both a policy and a technical change; it might be nice, but it's unlikely. A number of editors (like myself) are happy to know that if they choose to leave for more than a week (or whatever it takes for Recentchanges to expire here on en) that their IPs will be forgotten. --maru (talk) contribs 18:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- Recentchanges/IP data expire in a month. I just want the log of Moby Dick to stay longer making it easier to identify his sockpuppets if they appear. It would have been a great help if we had the logs for davenbelle to compare with Moby Dick.
- As for the sockpuppet check, do you think you can get someone to look into it?
- -- Cat 07:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- That last would require both a policy and a technical change; it might be nice, but it's unlikely. A number of editors (like myself) are happy to know that if they choose to leave for more than a week (or whatever it takes for Recentchanges to expire here on en) that their IPs will be forgotten. --maru (talk) contribs 18:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
RFC on Moby Dick
I regret to advise you that Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Moby Dick was not certified by two or more users within 48 hours of creation; as such it has been deleted. Stifle (talk) 23:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- So much for dispute resolution... :/ Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat 07:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome. The main reasoning behind the requirement for two people to validate a request for comment is to reduce vexatious RFCs (not that I'm saying this one was) and to encourage people to seek a third opinion or negotiate first. Stifle (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I know its for technical reasons and the RfC wasn't completely unproductive. -- Cat 10:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome. The main reasoning behind the requirement for two people to validate a request for comment is to reduce vexatious RFCs (not that I'm saying this one was) and to encourage people to seek a third opinion or negotiate first. Stifle (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Red_Bastard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I think thats an indef {{usernameblock}}... Rather than a 24hr one for 3rr... -- Cat 15:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree but I ain't overruling the katester. :) --Woohookitty 15:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, you're probably right, come to think of it. · Katefan0 15:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, come to think of it, I don't disagree. But, I'll give him a chance to think about it before lowering the boom. ;) · Katefan0 15:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Fine with me, though you might want to tell him to change his nick ^_^ -- Cat 15:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
There are a few other anime lists I am working on... care to work on thse too?
- List of Serial Experiments Lain episodes
- List of MADLAX episodes
- List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
- List of Planetes episodes
- -- Cat 15:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd love to help, but unfortunately I've never seen any of those other shows :-( Sorry. Mistamagic28 21:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- You can always get and watch then ^_^'. Alternatively you can expand fma summaries.
- I also intend to break FMA characters appart.
- -- Cat 21:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's a good idea. I myself have been working on Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and related pages such as List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes for a while. Mistamagic28 16:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Btw I was wondering what you though about the FMA OVA that has been out this year. I think it should be on the list but I cant seem to locate the release date of the dvd. -- Cat 23:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- That's a good idea. I myself have been working on Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, and related pages such as List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes for a while. Mistamagic28 16:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
WP:FLC/Fullmetal Alchemist & WP:FLC/PLanetes/D'oh!
Hey. I am kind of confused with your comment on WP:FLC/PLanetes regarding ed and al. Was it intended for WP:FLC/Fullmetal Alchemist? -- Cat 07:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- It was, sorry, switching now... Rough couple days at work, as my edit count can attest to. Sorry for the spaceyness. -M 07:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- No need to apologise, happens to the best of us. -- Cat 07:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Just on a sidenote before I go to bed, I'm really impressed by the images of the FMA list.... I normally am nonplussed by anime, but those covers depict a certain badass quality to it... well chosen :) -M 07:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- They are the original dvd covers. If you liked the covers you might want to watch the series. There might be yet hope for you. :) -- Cat 11:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Featured lists and Kanji issues
- Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
- Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of Planetes episodes
The featured list candidates seem to have an issue with the kanji characters. I believe this may be a codec issue. Since I have japanese fonts installed and observe no problems and that I have no understanding of kanji I though you might want to assist.
BTW congradulations in becomeing an admin, I would give my support but it appears you dont really need it ^_^;
-- Cat 16:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- I popped in on both. Everything appears to be fine as far as the kanji encoding. ···日本穣 18:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- Good to hear. :) -- Cat 18:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Ejected from CVU?
How can you be ejected from an organization that has no leadership? That's not really an organization, but rather a grouping of anti-vandal individuals? No one can "eject" you from CVU if you still want to associate yourself with them. The only person who can eject you is yourself. ···日本穣 22:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- My access in the chanel was gradualy reduced... ultimately I was banned from all of the IRC channels related to the CVU. This is a perm ban. #wikipedia-en-vandalism channel has been rendered useless making my vandal detection bot useless. All actions were taken by the same individual.
- So I cannot preform any of the functions I used to be able to as a CVU member. Hence am "ejected". Things are going quite nasty for me on many fronts.
- Since you are an administrator now you might want to review evidence presented related to User:Moby Dick on WP:ANB/I. Though since you are a new admin you probably shouldn't take action but your comments would be most apriciated.
- -- Cat 22:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Cool Cat, you probably remember me from a confrontation we had a while back. I can see that things are going bad for you, and I really try to understand why things like this always happen to you, but it's very difficult for me to feel sorry for you when you always seem to repeat the same mistakes. Don't you think you get a little close to Misplaced Pages sometimes? I know there's a lot of issues to get caught up in, and the community is really large and interesting, but I think sometimes you just have to step back and realize that Misplaced Pages is really nothing, just a collection of words written by a lot of people around the world, and you really shouldn't waste so much of your drive on enforcing rules, or getting involved in conflicts.
Maybe you have more time than I do to hang around wiki. More time to get involved in all the deep issues that are going around. I like getting in arguments too, and I've gotten pretty deep into some conflicts before. Heck, me and Nihonjoe really step on each others toes once in a while, but in the end we're just two other Misplaced Pages editors and I don't think either of us has any hard feelings about what's happened in the past.
I don't want to be like all of the other admins and super-users that are telling you to change your attitude, because I don't think that's the reason why you get into trouble. I just think you're a really intense person, and you get carried away when you let your emotions control the situation. I'm sounding like a psychologist now - -;. Anyways, think about what I said. I think you'd get a lot more out of Misplaced Pages if you use it for what it is; a vast collection of amazing information, of a volume that no one man could read it in his lifetime. You don't always have to get involved when you see something that you don't agree with. Misplaced Pages will continue whether you do or not, so why not let things just run their course for once. freshgavinΓΛĿЌ 03:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Getting into conflict for me isn't fun though, I'd rather work with users not against. Let me give several examples of conflicts thrown a me (ones I havent volunteered for).
- One user has been opposing me on whatever article I edit, including ones related to anime or norse mythology. Same user was voting opposite to my vote whenever I vote. he even objected me recieveing anti-vandalism barnstars. Basicaly this user comes to any article I edit simply to oppose me.
- That "year of hell" ended on early december when finaly the user left wikipedia and me. This user or a user editing very much similar to him (almost identical to him) resurfaced early february. So, I only had a level of peace and quiet for a month or two. No other wikipedian has dealt with this kind of nonsense aside from User:RickK.
- There was also the MARMOT case which marmot was spoofing my IP and getting me blocked. He was getting my IP from the IRC bot of mine that detected vandalism. Same bot has been rendered useless since my ban from cvu-related chanels single-handedly by one user. That user was the closest wikipedian I had, and we supported each other in difficult times when either one of us were vunrable most. For the IRC bot detecting vandalism, I spent a great amount of time coding it and a lot of cash to keep it running. In return I only asked to be able to run it. I guess I was asking for too much.
- With perhaps overwhelming stress from stuff like I mentioned above... I think I have very strong emotional control, granted I do not yet have the control of a Vulcan.
- I take wikipedia seriously, yes. Newspapers already use wikipedia as a referance and in the near future I believe wikipedia will be the source of all information. I want to help create such a noble project enforcing its rules and guidelines.
- You are however right, my dedication to wikipedia is probably not in my personal best interest, but perhaps it is in the best interest of wikipedia. After all, I get nothing in return for my contribution aside from constant harrasment from people like Davenbelle, Marmot, etc...
- -- Cat 11:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Nobody gets anything in return really, just the feeling of a job well done. Though I see you do seem to enjoy collecting your barnstars and such. Jimbo certainly doesn't get much in return for wiki, but I'm pretty sure he's happy with it. Basically Cat, you are a high-profile user. You talk a lot, you hold rather strong opinions, and you attract a lot of attention. I am a teacher, one of the good teachers I'd say, and one thing I know about annoying brats is that they're at their worst when they know they'll get you riled up if they act badly. It's a little bit rediculous to tell you not to react to vandalism and accusations against you, so I don't mean that. The deeper you get into things, though, the more crap is going to be thrown back at you. It's alright to take Misplaced Pages seriously, but you don't have to fix it all yourself. There are some aspects of Wiki that are really unproductive, and they really bug me sometimes, but just like I'm not going to be able to change world democracy, I'm not going to be able to chance Misplaced Pages either.
- One last thing, you say you think you're level-headed. I'm sure you've had a lot of experience with bboards and IRC and stuff like that, and I know: the people there are often complete morons. I was a private boarder when it was still manageable, I've used IRC since 1999 and seen every network known to Jesus go to shits with all the idiots screwing things up. Right now wiki is about as level-headed as the web gets, which is amazing because it's so free at the same time. But as far as the ideal Wikipedian image goes, you're not quite there when it comes to level-headedness. Neither am I. Maybe you know Esjay, I think he's a pretty damned level-headed fellow. I could be wrong though, I haven't looked through all his histories. Being Wikipedian sometimes involves ignoring insults and other bad crap that is hurtled at you, allowing things to happen that you don't agree with, and being low-profile might be a necessary trait as well. freshgavinΓΛĿЌ 12:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- I will not ever be intimidated by threats, stalking, nor harrasment I recieve. I am more concerned about wikipedias content and integrity rather than my image/reputation. This probably means my adminship would have to wait a decade or ten...
- -- Cat 13:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hey man, all I can say is don't bite yourself in the face. What's more important to you; a peaceful wiki-life, or protecting your pride? I'm pretty sure you can't have both. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 05:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- I know you are trying to help but even if I want to keep a "low-profile" I dont believe I can. I used to have an edit/mo average of 1800ish which I pulled back to 800ish (over a 50% drop). I even stoped editing anything contraversial. In return I got Moby Dick starting to do his thing... I do not believe I am driven by pride. If I had any of that, I'd have left wiki long ago. A peaceful wiki-life would be preferable but inprobable so long as people actively stalk me...
- -- Cat 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hey man, all I can say is don't bite yourself in the face. What's more important to you; a peaceful wiki-life, or protecting your pride? I'm pretty sure you can't have both. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 05:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
Is it posible for you to reupload the dvd images in png format overwriting the ones I uploaded? -- Cat 17:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- You mean wou want me to reupload the same images in png format, or do you want me to revert back to the images you uploaded? Mistamagic28 17:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Reupload the english images in png format with filenames identical to my images and then revert. That way we will be using your images and my filenames ^_^. -- Cat 17:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- I could, but you'd have to have your images deleted first. (I suppose requesting a speedy delete would suffice.) Mistamagic28 17:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- You can overwrite... and then edit page descriptions... Why bother getting them deleted? -- Cat 18:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- I could, but you'd have to have your images deleted first. (I suppose requesting a speedy delete would suffice.) Mistamagic28 17:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Reupload the english images in png format with filenames identical to my images and then revert. That way we will be using your images and my filenames ^_^. -- Cat 17:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
List of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episodes
I am interested in converting this page to List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes format. What do you think? -- Cat 18:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think that would be a wise idea. I have been working on that page for quite a while and was thinking of splitting it up. I could do it, but you're welcome to if you want to put in the time yourself. Either way, I'd like to help (perhaps with the short episode descriptions like I did with FMA), or doing some of the pages myself (maybe we could split it in half, you do one season and I'll do the other). Let me know what you think. Mistamagic28 19:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- We can toss all seasons into one article. See List of Oh My Goddess episodes.
- However I need kanji names of the episodes as well as original airdates. I can get the dvd covers from amazon :)
- -- Cat 20:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
New pic uploaded
I have uploaded the new Sakoyo Mishima picture for its article. Can you check if it is OK?
Link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/Sayoko_Mishima
- Much better image. I have reuploaded it over the old one :) -- Cat 10:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Greetings from the United Federation of Planets
Just wanted to say hi, given we are both UFPers... ^_^; -- Cat 21:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Greetings to you too, CC. From Wallie 21:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oh just noticed.. it was the UN flag.... >_< -- Cat 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yep. They look the same... :) Wallie 22:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oh just noticed.. it was the UN flag.... >_< -- Cat 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict
I'd like to discuss the points surrounding this on an IRC or email enviorment w/o interference from 3rd parties... would you be interested? -- Cat 18:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, I'm on right now. - FrancisTyers 18:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- I do not see you, whats your nick? -- Cat 19:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I am still waiting for that IRC convo... :) -- Cat 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm never off IRC. You haven't tried to contact me ;) My nick is as on my userpage, spectre, spectie or spectei. - FrancisTyers 18:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Template:King of Fighters Character statistics
Hi. Could you take a gander at this template..? I'd like it if we could format the article code so it follows the standard guidelines in articles while still retaining the design. Currently, to extrude it I am resigned to using this:
{{King of Fighters Character statistics|{{{name}}}|{{{color}}}|{{{Image}}}|{{{caption}}}|{{{Birthplace}}}|{{{Birthdate}}}|{{{Height}}}| {{{Weight}}}|{{{Blood}}}|{{{Hobby}}}|{{{Food}}}|{{{Measurements}}}|{{{Favorite Sport}}}|{{{Valuble}}}|{{{Hate}}}|{{{Fighting Style}}}|{{{First Appearence}}}|{{{second appearence}}}|{{{Image2}}}|{{caption}}}}
That seems a little bit messy and difficult to keep track of. I'm hopeful we could use a simialar syntax to the Oh My Goddess! articles. -Zero 09:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I've worked on it and made some great progress. See here for the updated syntax. -Zero 13:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Forget it, I've figured it out. -Zero 13:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I can make it better with little effort. Oh My Goddess! code is much more readable. Should I proceed? -- Cat 14:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Forget it, I've figured it out. -Zero 13:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- No! Take a look! Take a look! I just finished touching it up. Its beautiful. See here. :)-Zero 14:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thanks
Thanks for inter wiki linkage on my user page.Teşekkürler--Hattusili 20:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Glad I could be of some assistance. :) -- Cat 21:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Kurdish inhabited category
I'd like to point out a few things about Kurdistan from the article itself.
- the exact borders of Kurdistan are hard to define.
- According to Encyclopædia Britannica, Kurdistan is a mountainous region of Turkey, Iran, Iraq, and Syria, inhabited predominantly by Kurds including 27-28 million people in a 190,000 km2 (74,000 sq. mi) area
- Encyclopaedia of Islam, it includes a 390,000 km2 area.
- Others estimate as many as 40 million Kurds live in Kurdistan, which covers an area as big as France.
Hence why I do not believe a valid criteria can't exist. Listify, maybe... What do you think?
-- Cat 21:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think any and all such cats are inherently flawed. I'm not attached to it the way others seem to be, though, so it's not worth it to me to try to sway others to my viewpoint. I've laid out my reasons, and if others are too blinded by their own political beliefs to see how unencyclopidic (sp?) it is, then I'll leave them to wallow in their perspective. :-) CovenantD 01:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- True I guess however if something is unencyclopedic, effort should be made to get rid of it right? -- Cat 15:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Which I did by nominating it, and explaining twice why I did so. Anything beyond that just isn't worth it to me. CovenantD 17:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- True I guess however if something is unencyclopedic, effort should be made to get rid of it right? -- Cat 15:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
there's power in numbers. Lonecanine
Username Banpei
Your unusualy familiar username caought my attention -- Cat 17:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Heh...yeah...that poor little robot Banpei...He's been my pseudonym for quite a few years... Glad someone recognized it tho =) Banpei
- Well, I was actualy wondering if you wound want to help with Oh My Goddess! related articles. :) -- Cat 15:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Yo! Looking for template help ~~
I'll admit to always admiring the layout of your templates from afar, but while I'm handy enough at adding info to them, I might as well be typing with my elbows when it comes to making one myself. I'd like to convert Template:Tenchi Character and Template:Tenchi Muyo! to bring them up to snuff to the standard set by the OMG! articles - removing some of the disorganized clutter, redundancy and the like - but I'm clueless on how to initiate and didn't want to rip off your work directly or without you knowing. Do you think you could help me? Papacha 06:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'll gladly assist. Thank you for your nice comments. -- Cat 15:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I appreciate it. I'm worse than an infant when it comes to birthing those things; it'd take a miracle of random chance to figure something structurally nice left to my own devices. v_v Papacha 15:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I am done with {{Tenchi Muyo!}} and {{Tenchi Muyo Char}}. What do you think of them? -- Cat 16:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- They're both looking rather nice. I'm savvy enough (HA!) to add breaks if necessary, though I don't know what kind of color pallete we have to play with here. I'm sure it's not trial-and-error, but is there a scheme or tool used to show what choice of shades tables have available?
- I am done with {{Tenchi Muyo!}} and {{Tenchi Muyo Char}}. What do you think of them? -- Cat 16:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I appreciate it. I'm worse than an infant when it comes to birthing those things; it'd take a miracle of random chance to figure something structurally nice left to my own devices. v_v Papacha 15:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Again, thanks so much for your help on these thus far. You caught me with me pants down so I haven't had the chance to check Ryoko's yet, but I will now. Papacha 17:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- {{Tenchi Muyo Character Infobox}} complate. See Ryoko (Tenchi Muyo!) for an example. All character pages should be updated in usinig the new template.
- Are there other optional parameters you would like me to add?
- -- Cat 16:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I should be okay in adding/subtracting template parameters; I can handle divvying up sizes (yeesh) and blood type from the single space they occupy now, and I can change "code name" to "real name" easily enough.
- Now I just have to start implementing the changes and we should be good to go. Broken record much, but thanks a lot for lending me a hand. Papacha 17:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the Masaki Family most noteably Nobuyuki and Katsuhito Masaki were missing from the new character template so I re-included those names and then update the Templates on each of those pages. I was just trying to help make sure that those pages weren't ignored. -Adv193 17:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- I know nothing about the series. I am praticaly editing "blind". So I really apriciate that. Thanks. -- Cat 17:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- The pics do seem to be warping a bit with the text (for ex., Kain/Washu). I didn't insert the new box so I don't know the cause of the interference. Do you know why so I can knock it out? Papacha 17:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- On your template, you were passing ]. ON the new template all you need to pass is filename.jpg. -- Cat 17:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- The pics do seem to be warping a bit with the text (for ex., Kain/Washu). I didn't insert the new box so I don't know the cause of the interference. Do you know why so I can knock it out? Papacha 17:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Let's go for the gusto ~~
What the heck, I'm here already aren't I?
I'm thinking about adding a pic to each of the single episode summaries on the FMA list, but would you consider some pictures (i.e. Envy impaling Ed on his arm in Death) to be too "spoilery" in nature? Papacha 07:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- See List of Oh My Goddess episodes articles on how I picked screen caps. Usualy the first half of every episode is the best time to look for screen caps. -- Cat 15:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
Why did this fail? All problems adressed have been fixed. -- Cat 21:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- The main issue was maru's objections on phrasing and language. The list is very good, so you're welcome to resubmit it as soon as you please after outstanding issues are fixed. Regards -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 11:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- We have adressed all of the outstanding issues. I believe, Maru never checked back in... I'll do as you ask tho. -- Cat 15:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
TM! template talk (cont)...
Ah, I see. So is this template preset to display pics at a particular size?
Baby-steps, baby-steps... Papacha 17:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
- Default size was 300 width I believe, a reasonable size for fairuse images. -- Cat 18:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Opinion
Check this out. I'd like to hear what you think about it. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 06:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ummm... It is a nice essay.
- We want people to be bold and assume good faith and there are many of us that find Wiki Politics disruptive.
- There should be no consequence for vfding a (contraversial or not) article or category assuming there are valid arguments.
- What the essay implies (perhaps unintentionaly) is to back off when pov pushers or trolls emerge. Consider everyone giving up whenever there is a fight. We wouldn't then have a reason to have wikipedia policies.
- I can be cruel when criticising. Hopefully I haven't offended you with my comments above.
- -- Cat 10:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- You weren't critical at all. Hearing that you find it implies Wikipedians to "back off" when confronted with trouble is exactly something that I should think about. What I've attempted to explain is not that one should "back off when confronted with problems", but rather consider the volume of the counter-response before going through with any actions, and not to intentionally provoke situations in ways that won't serve the ultimate cause in the end. I think a good example of this is the whole Kawaii article thing. Honestly, I shouldn't have AfD'd that article. I, as a Wikipedian, am confident about my position that the article shouldn't exist, is approached wrong, etc. etc., but the truth is Misplaced Pages (with its hoards of Japan-fans) is much more stable and predictible with articles like Kawaii. If the general attitude/atmosphere of Misplaced Pages were to change (over time) to reflect core Misplaced Pages's policy and rules more closely, a lot of big, heated issues that exist now (JHS/HS articles, fancruft/lists, userboxen) would immediately and peacefully fade away because of the change in opinion from large user base's perspective. Fighting for Wikipedian policy is a good thing, but fighting against a grain that you can clearly see is not in your favor is often a fool's pursuit. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 04:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Copy Cat
I think your New Horizons news section is cool, cat. I plagarized it.--MrFish 14:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Any such plagarisim is punishable with a thank you. I am glad you liked it :) Feel free to "steal" as you wish ^_^.
- Thank you for your comment.
- -- Cat 16:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Nice kitty, didn't eat the fish. :) --24.75.63.240 16:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, he better not.
--MrFish 17:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, he better not.
- Nice kitty, didn't eat the fish. :) --24.75.63.240 16:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
My barnstars
- 1x Image:WMBarnstar.png
- 2x Image:Random_Acts_of_Kindness_Barnstar.png
- 4x Image:Barnstar.png
- 3x Image:Barnstar of Reversion2.png
- 1x Image:Barnstar3.png
- 1x Image:WikiDefender Barnstar.png
- 1x Image:Barnstar of Humour3.png
- — FireFox talk 21:22, 30 May '06
wowturkey.com images
Hi, I guess you are an experienced member of Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Turkey. I wanted to know if you can be of any help in User:A.Garnet and User:Metb82's attempt to get wowturkey.com to "free up" their images. Thanks! -- Paddu 00:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Image:G4countries.PNG
I uploaded your image on commons, with a proper licence. 'hope you wouldn't mind.--Milan Jelisavčić 13:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- That action is punishable with a thank you. Thanks for uploading it to commons :) -- Cat 13:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you...
...for re-designing my userpage! — FireFox talk 15:44, 31 May '06
Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes
I'd hope you'd reconsider your objection. There really is no problem with fair use. Also there is no problem with episode titles (that I can see) they are (kanji and English) from official sites. I'd be happy to correct any errors, but I see none. -- Cat 22:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ack... where do you *put* things on this talk page... Anyway, expanded on the FLC page. --zippedmartin 22:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- Usage of my talk page is exceptionaly easy. It is explained in BOLD characters and even a link is provided. You are the first person to ever had difficulty and I have been around for about one and a half year.
- That aside, I have replied to you on the flc page.
- -- Cat 23:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
June
Turkish people, Turkic people, People of Turkey
Hmm.. I thought we discussed this. Turkish people include kurds. Perhaps it might be wise to merge People of Turkey with Turkish people. 'Turk' is an ethnicity, 'Turkish' is a nationality. -- Cat 19:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- If that's true why is that the CIA differentiates between "Turkish" and "Kurdish" in the ethnic groups section? —Khoikhoi 23:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps CIA made a typo. While I do not know why, CIA screwed up big time. However see: under "Nationality", "adjective: Turkish" on the same CIA page you have posted to me. Every citizen of Turkey is Turkish, including Ethnic Kurds, Turks, Greeks and everone else. This is like calling someone a Canadian if they are from Canada.
- It is often easy to confuse Ethnicity and Nationality, but I'd expect better from the CIA.
- -- Cat 23:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well here, check out the U.S. Library of Congress study on Turkey, particularly the Linguistic and Ethnic Groups section. It also refers to "ethnic Turks" as separate group from the Kurds. —Khoikhoi 00:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- You are precisely right. "Ethnic Turks" U.S. Library of Congress talks about are Turkic people living in Turkey, and the aproporate wikipedia article would be Turkic people. Turkic people are indeed distinct from the Kurds to a degree. However, Turkish people (nationality) include Turkic people (ethnicity) and Kurdish people (ethnicity).
- I understand the terminology can be a bit confusing as Turkish and Turkic sound similar.
- -- Cat 00:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, I know the difference between Turkish and Turkic. However, the Turkish people article is not about the Turkish nationality and it has never been. That's why is uses {{Infobox ethnic group}}. I'm not sure what else to say. —Khoikhoi 00:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- There is no Turkish ethnicity so the article can't talk about it. The infobox and/or the article is probably inaproporate and should redirect just like American people. -- Cat 00:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have reviewed the case further and discovered something quite disturbing. People of Turkey, Turkish people, and Demographics of Turkey practicaly talk about the same thing (all 3 exists as a pov fork to a level of degree). I feel all should be refined and merged to Demographics of Turkey. See: Demographics of the United States as an example. -- Cat 01:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- No I disagree. Let me explain: Demographics of Turkey is not only about the ethnic groups, it's also about sex ratio, birth rate, literacy, etc. People of Turkey is a sub-article of the former that I mentioned, it goes more into depth on the ethnic groups. Lastly, Turkish people talks about the main ethnic group in Turkey (which does not include Kurds). Whether it exists or not is a matter of debate. —Khoikhoi 01:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Demographics include sex ratios, ethicity ratios etc. I do not see why we need an article that has to focus on ethnicity. Why is there a reason for us to cover Kurds any diferently than how "blacks" are covered in United States? There is an African American article and a Kurdish people article... and no People of the United States (its a redirect to guess what?)
- The main ethnic group in Turkey is Turkic people which can be explained in the Turkic people article. A good example would be American people (its a redirect)
- -- Cat 01:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think people would approve of deleting the Turkish people page, but we'll see what others have to say. —Khoikhoi 01:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am not suggesting we "delete" the page, instead just merge. All 3 articles "rant on" random opinions from time to time. Remove those, and you have a decent demographics article. -- Cat 01:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I guess I see what you're saying. I just want to make sure that others agree as well before any action is taken. —Khoikhoi 01:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am not suggesting we "delete" the page, instead just merge. All 3 articles "rant on" random opinions from time to time. Remove those, and you have a decent demographics article. -- Cat 01:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think people would approve of deleting the Turkish people page, but we'll see what others have to say. —Khoikhoi 01:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- No I disagree. Let me explain: Demographics of Turkey is not only about the ethnic groups, it's also about sex ratio, birth rate, literacy, etc. People of Turkey is a sub-article of the former that I mentioned, it goes more into depth on the ethnic groups. Lastly, Turkish people talks about the main ethnic group in Turkey (which does not include Kurds). Whether it exists or not is a matter of debate. —Khoikhoi 01:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, I know the difference between Turkish and Turkic. However, the Turkish people article is not about the Turkish nationality and it has never been. That's why is uses {{Infobox ethnic group}}. I'm not sure what else to say. —Khoikhoi 00:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well here, check out the U.S. Library of Congress study on Turkey, particularly the Linguistic and Ethnic Groups section. It also refers to "ethnic Turks" as separate group from the Kurds. —Khoikhoi 00:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Dictator
Please see my talk page Photo section. The user InShaneee threaten me. Can I do anything for that? For example informing other admins can work.
"This is your only warning. Continue to add this picture to articles and you will be blocked. --InShaneee 23:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)"
Ruzgar 21:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am no admin but I do want to help you, but you need to make it possible.
- Calling an admin a "dictator", "racist", anti-turk, etc does not help us create a better encyclopedia. I want you to apologise from InShaneee. I will try to convince InShaneee to shorten/lift your block if you promise you wont continue the "revert war".
- As for the image, I dont think it is aproporate on the PKK article. It is also inapproporate for Armenian Genocide to have similar images of corpses. However the way to remove the images do not go throughthe PKK article. I will talk to InShaneee about this.
- -- Cat 23:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:JapaneseStopSign.gif listed for deletion
An image or media file that you use in a userspace userbox, Image:JapaneseStopSign.gif, and will soon be listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there soon to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. It is being obsoleted by Image:JapaneseStopSign.png. Thank you.Err, first off, sorry for not signing that. I'm replacing it by a PNG version, basically, per {{Template:BadGIF}} Kevin_b_er 05:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- You actually saved me the work by replacing the .gif -> .png I thank you. .gif be damned! :) -- Cat 05:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Moby Dick
See this application for arbitration against Moby Dick. --Tony Sidaway 15:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/In many languages...
Thank you for the German, Hungarian, Lithuanian translations -- Cat 15:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hey, no problems. I speak German, and the Hungarian and Lithuanian versions I checked with friends. I'll update once I can guarantee what it is in other languages too! Jared Preston 15:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Impresive. Can you also add a litteral translation back to english? -- Cat 15:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I'm aware, they all mean "cool". At least the German certainly does! *lol* I have another for you to add (I'm not too sure on how you want it all formatted so I'll leave it here at your disposal) and that's Czech: Hustá kočka. That also literally means "cool cat", but hustá, hustý also means "dense". Hustota is Czech for "density". Jared Preston 20:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- PS: In Slovak I've been told that "cool cat" is "cool mačka", they don't appear to have their own word for cool... Jared Preston 20:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Many languages dont have an equavalent to "cool", so we need aproximations ;). -- Cat 20:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- You'll have to make do with what you've got :-P but I can help you with the Russian – the adjective "крутой" means "sharp" ;-) Jared Preston 20:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Many languages dont have an equavalent to "cool", so we need aproximations ;). -- Cat 20:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Impresive. Can you also add a litteral translation back to english? -- Cat 15:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I've added a literal meaning in Russian. The word крутой has several meanings (see ), but I assume the third one is most appropriate for "cool" (though I'm no linguist). Conscious 12:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Cheap tactics revelaed
You may want to read some of the cheap tactics confessed by Fadix and THOTH :) 24.211.192.250 18:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, What am I supposed to be looking for? Can you clarify what you mean by "cheap tactics"? -- Cat 20:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
THOTH speaking to Fadix: "... However, in times past, I have refused to make certain posts (that you scripted for me - etc) under different usernames to support your positions as you requested of me - and I have this documented...as well as other similar things... I am sorry that this has made you upset - that I have not proven as mallable as you wished - though I have cooperated on some things - haven't I? (nothing deceptive however - as I don't go for all of this silly personal intrigue). Shall I go on or shall I just introduce this evidence into your proceedings?"
Fadix speaking to THOTH: "...You're being childishtic, two times I have been requesting things involving the creation of usernames, recent one was implying what I needed a Turk to do(that part was an indirect request to that other person, as far as I know you don't know Turkish), and you know what happened, a Turk offered to help me(and I hope you are respectful enought to keep that persons identity private). Two Wikipedian members are aware of the situation and know why I did that, and another veteran, also administrator El_C who I said about the email I recieved during the period was warned by me about the situation which I considered premedited. I needed to know who was doing that and the only way for me to know was a Turk registering and supporting me so that the responsable email that person and so I accumulate that evidence(implicated with Tommiks cases) during the RfAr I was planing at that time forcing the responsable to come clean privatly(I know it wasn't clean, I admit) by email and retreaving that evidence. But I forgot to say that Turk to have a valid email and that person didn't had much time so I didn't wanted to bother that person(if you visit that registered users talkpage(the one you were witness of what I requested that person to say), you will read my past request about having a valid email) so I settled for a checkuser for that time being, which was refused. Either way, that person was really a Turk and was really supporting me, while this was durty, you can't use this, since it isen't against any policies or guidelines, and I admit that it was also motivated by the need of gaining some support against later, the IP unregistered users. " 24.211.192.250 20:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thats a copy of the msg posted on the page you linked. What part of it is "cheep tactic"? I just don't want to jump to conclusions as both sides (Fadix THOTH) are ranting on... -- Cat 20:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not sure what you consider appropriate. But Fadix requesting THOTH to create different usernames, and asking to post messages scripted by himself under these 'fake' usernames does not sound normal to me.
- Similarly, Fadix trying to find a Turkish speaking user to manipulate the talk page is not innocent. Anyway, this is FYI only. I'm not planning to pursue anything out of this. Best 24.211.192.250 21:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know. -- Cat 21:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Category:Kurdish inhabited regions (again)
Hey, I'd like to notify you that the category will probably be kept per perhaps some politicaly motivated keep votes unlike Category:Hispanic inhabited regions which will be deleted. -- Cat 13:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not surprised that the discrepancy happened. Just shows that logic is lacking somewhere... ;-) CovenantD 20:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed. Now what should we do with the category? Since it is very hard to get anything related to the kurds deleted... -- Cat 20:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if the objection is that it's vague, then it needs to be refined somehow, although in this case that means the cat name has to be longer. BTW, you can just leave responses here. I'll check. No sense in having the exact same messages in two places. CovenantD 20:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- As you wish. :)
- People voted delete to a category that had solid basis from a census (Hispanic one). As per that the category with no census to back it up should be speedied... I do not see a reasonable way to refine the category... It will be pov no matter what we try.
- -- Cat 20:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- You probably know more about the ins and outs of Wikipolicy than I do. From the feelings and politics involved, I don't see getting consensus to delete. The best I see happening is a rename to something less vague. Kurdish inhabited regions based on a CIA map? I don't know... CovenantD 21:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Posible, perhaps: Category:Kurdish inhabited regions based on the map by the Centeral Intelligence Agency. Ah... the rant...
- Politics should not determine what is wikipedia worthy, wikipedia is not a soapbox (WP:NOT policy) for that. However you do have a point.
- It was fairly easy to get Syrian Kurdistan deleted (though I was not involved in any way). Turkish Kurdistan however is there.
- These articles and categories in my view fall under Misplaced Pages:Content forking, however I do not consider myself to be the most objective person in treating articles related to Kurdistan etc... I'd like you to have a read of it if you have the time.
- -- Cat 21:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I can't promise I'll get to them today, but I will put them on the short list. CovenantD 21:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- You probably know more about the ins and outs of Wikipolicy than I do. From the feelings and politics involved, I don't see getting consensus to delete. The best I see happening is a rename to something less vague. Kurdish inhabited regions based on a CIA map? I don't know... CovenantD 21:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if the objection is that it's vague, then it needs to be refined somehow, although in this case that means the cat name has to be longer. BTW, you can just leave responses here. I'll check. No sense in having the exact same messages in two places. CovenantD 20:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed. Now what should we do with the category? Since it is very hard to get anything related to the kurds deleted... -- Cat 20:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I want to ask some advice. Category:Hispanic inhabited regions was deleted with ease for being vauge even though a solid census provided data regarding Hispanic inhabitance. However Category:Kurdish inhabited regions survived two cfd's with no consensus even though it is much more vauge than the Hispanic counterpart as there isn't even a census to back up Kurdish inhabitance.
I feel some of the keep votes are politicaly motivated. How should I deal with this? -- Cat 11:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Since it is more or less clear that the category is going to stay, it may be a good idea to ensure that it contains what it should contain. There's at least one piece of reliable information. Conscious 11:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I feel the category is being nothing but a pov fork... But that aside, how should I use the map? Tag everything inside the border as kurdish inhabited? Should Kurdish inhabited regions be a sub cat of Kurdistan? I really need guidance. -- Cat 14:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- What you say sounds like a good idea to me... As for pov fork, I don't know. IMO "Kurdish inhabited regions" is a better category label for, say, Şırnak Province than "Kurdistan". It sounds more factual. Conscious 14:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am still unconfortable in declaring a place kurdish inhabited w/o census data... -- Cat 15:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- What you say sounds like a good idea to me... As for pov fork, I don't know. IMO "Kurdish inhabited regions" is a better category label for, say, Şırnak Province than "Kurdistan". It sounds more factual. Conscious 14:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I feel the category is being nothing but a pov fork... But that aside, how should I use the map? Tag everything inside the border as kurdish inhabited? Should Kurdish inhabited regions be a sub cat of Kurdistan? I really need guidance. -- Cat 14:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Kurdish blogs
I was wondering what you intended with this article. We have a an article for Blog... -- Cat 22:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- cp. Iranian blogs --Jpbrenna 22:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd prefer a reasoning. From my perspective both articles do not cover anything blog doesn't, both happen to be for link spam, and both can be argued to be pov forks...
- It would really help if I knew what they were for. Are they about the bloggs or people getting 'opressed'
- -- Cat 23:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- They are about blogging in specific communities, like Canadian blogosphere and other articles on Misplaced Pages. It's true, the Kurdish and Iranian articles as they stand now are about one-half link repository; this should be corrected by destubbing the articles, not eliminating them. Article blog is not community-specific. We have articles separate from Education concerning Education in the United States and Education in France; I don't see how either of them are "POV forks," and I don't see how these blog articles are either. --Jpbrenna 01:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I wasn't going to prpose them for deletion. I just felt they needed some attention, which you agree.
- I am concerned about statemens such as "Blogging in Iran operates under special circumstances as the Iranian government tends to discourage self-expression" (weasle words, who says so) or "This is something they have not always been able to do via other media" (there were kurdish websites and Kurdish tv networks). Statements such as those imply "pov forking". Of course the intention wasn't that but it appears that way.
- Also I recomend a categorisation for all the "blog" related articles.
- -- Cat 10:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- They are about blogging in specific communities, like Canadian blogosphere and other articles on Misplaced Pages. It's true, the Kurdish and Iranian articles as they stand now are about one-half link repository; this should be corrected by destubbing the articles, not eliminating them. Article blog is not community-specific. We have articles separate from Education concerning Education in the United States and Education in France; I don't see how either of them are "POV forks," and I don't see how these blog articles are either. --Jpbrenna 01:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
need your help
Hi, I am a new user who found your page by just clicking through links and ended up at Prodego's page. I only know a very little about editing and stuff. Could you tell me where I can learn to write wiki markup and find all the stuff that I need to learn while being here, if there is such a place? Thanks. Twasmetrec 21:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'll gladly try to help. But perhaps it is best to keep this as a Q&A -- Cat 23:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Cool Cat, I got your comment. Thanks for agreeing to help me. I can always use all the help I can get. I like your name. I have a cousin that edits here and her name is Metrocat. She says it's pretty cool here but kind of weird. I can't remember the exact thing I was asking about, but when I do I'll ask you in a Q and A thing, I guess. Why do you want Q and A? Well thanks again for your support. Twasmetrec 08:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- The topic of editing wikipedia is a vast area. You do not need to know everything to edit. Based on questions, I can assist you in portions os wiki markup you are interested in. -- Cat 11:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Cool Cat, I got your comment. Thanks for agreeing to help me. I can always use all the help I can get. I like your name. I have a cousin that edits here and her name is Metrocat. She says it's pretty cool here but kind of weird. I can't remember the exact thing I was asking about, but when I do I'll ask you in a Q and A thing, I guess. Why do you want Q and A? Well thanks again for your support. Twasmetrec 08:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Wiki-sick?
"Now who will we go to when we are wiki-sick?"
What about those who are feeling wiki-sick because fo the positions of Doc and his friends, especially Tony Sidaway and Cyde? Jay Maynard 02:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hello, I am not sure what you ment by that. Mind elaborating :) -- Cat 11:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Fair use debate regarding television screencaps
Currently, there is a debate on Talk:List of Lost episodes regarding whether or not use of a 1/30th stillframe visual excerpt next to a list of audiovisual works (such as List of Lost episodes or List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes) is in accordance with WP:Fair use, and has even resulted in the protection of the page.
If you have any opinions regarding fair use on the List of Lost episodes page, please feel free to express them as I believe these two pages are sister projects.
Cws125 05:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I commented there -- Cat 11:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
A star for your efforts
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Manga and Anime BarnSakura Award | |
| For the fact that every single anime article I ever look at seems to have you as a major editor, I award you this barn |
- Domo arigaro Goldom-san -- Cat 11:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Scout box
FYI, your Scout user box points to an old title of the Eagle Scout article. It's now called Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America). Rlevse 19:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you, fixed. I also noticed several BSA ranks went AFK (merged somehow). I restored those too. -- Cat 20:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- They were mereged for a reason. I wish you hadn't done that. Rlevse 20:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I wish I was informed about this merge in march. The merged article is in my view a mess and I am quite experienced with featured lists. -- Cat 20:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- It is not anyone's job to inform you personally of a merge. It's your responsibility to set a watch on an article of interest and respond to changes you see. I and others do not think they are a mess, it puts the info in one spot. You also took this action without any discussion and accuse Gadget, et al of no discussion, yet there was lots of it if you'd watched the articles, etc. Rlevse 20:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ok here is how I will do this. I am going to forget about this issue for a day or two until things cool down. This is being highly unproductive. -- Cat 21:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- You've no one but yourself to blame for this due to making wholesale changes without any chance for discussion whatsover; at least Gadget posted merge notices. Agree to a few day wait. Rlevse 21:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ok here is how I will do this. I am going to forget about this issue for a day or two until things cool down. This is being highly unproductive. -- Cat 21:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- It is not anyone's job to inform you personally of a merge. It's your responsibility to set a watch on an article of interest and respond to changes you see. I and others do not think they are a mess, it puts the info in one spot. You also took this action without any discussion and accuse Gadget, et al of no discussion, yet there was lots of it if you'd watched the articles, etc. Rlevse 20:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I wish I was informed about this merge in march. The merged article is in my view a mess and I am quite experienced with featured lists. -- Cat 20:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- They were mereged for a reason. I wish you hadn't done that. Rlevse 20:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Large scale merging
Please try to avoid large scale merges w/o discussion. I have restored the BSA rank articles... -- Cat 19:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge tags were placed on each article on 16 Mar 2006. No objections were made on any of the individual articles, thus the merge was made 7 days later on 23 Mar. Discussion did take place, specifically on the Scouting portal and at Talk:Boy Scouts (Boy Scouts of America)/Archive 1. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC) And at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Wow- you've been busy today! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not quite. My busy days have several hundered edits per day.
- I created all of those articles merged. Since my creation they were somewhat expanded (I was couting on someones eagle project covering the topic).
- The 7 day rule doesn't mean anything to me as I have thousands of articles on my watchlist. I think it wouldn't have hurt to inform me.
- I feel the individual rank articles have a potential to expand given time each rank has a history after all (see eagle article). A merge is unnecessary.
- -- Cat 20:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why is it okay for you to make wholesale reversions without any chance of discussion by others but Gadget can't make merges after posting merge notices? Rlevse 21:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Re Cool Cat's talk input of 7 June...I offer my talk page as a single point for this discussion. Rlevse 17:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
User: Clevelander
User: Clevelander has made some 10-15 consecutive edits in the Hamshenis page. He saves a page for each comma he has displaced which makes it rather difficult to find out what he has changed. I saw that he is of Armenian descent (therefore naturally interested in the stuff). I also saw that he has had a big dispute with fellow Armenians on the subject of pulling out Armenian Americans from a general List of Armenians article to include them in a self-made List of Armenian-Americans article. He lost the debate and now he is around here. I discussed with him briefly on Hamshenis talk page to see him off smoothly. He is gone now. He is in the neighborhood of Nagorno-Karabakh and Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline putting good order in those issues. On his way out, he discovered a sizable Georgian community in Ardahan and duly re-phrased the photograph caption, all this sitting behind a desk in Cleveland. I will wait a few days to make sure that he is busy tidying other parts of the world and then recuperate the Turkey-related articles he has been in. I think that is the best way to take this kind of contributor. She is putting good order to the world through an internet encyclopedia and won't leave before having planted a flag on a promontory.
If you are interested in sea mammals, check this . It is not, of course, unless the wifey is from St. Louis and the mother is in Bali. But it is close (there are photographs), and sometimes even associable (they had to run for their lives during the 2004 tsunami). I don't like the letters DB anyway, they are always associable.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cretanforever (talk • contribs)
- ... I see he added 350,000 to the number of people in the table, removed Category:Ethnic groups in Turkey... Weasle words: Whether Christian or Muslim, most Armenians are willing to work with and try to understand their ethnic cousins. It isn't all that difficult. Problematic for certain.
- -- Cat 21:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- What about http://www.dannyvanbelle.com ? I dont think I get the picture... -- Cat 21:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Wikisickness, continued
What I was referring to was the endless debate over userboxes. You'd commented that Doc Glasgow was someone to whom people could come when they were feeling wikisick...but he was one of the people causing it with his position in the userbox debates, along with Tony Sidaway and Cyde. They've all got me feeling sick and depressed because of the unilateral, scorched-earth, bullying tactics they've used to deny that Misplaced Pages is a community of diverse people with diverse interests and diverse PsOV.
Hence my question: Who do I turn to? Jay Maynard 21:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Err... Doc Glasgow is an awsome vandal fighter and a close friend. I'd gladly exchange him for all the userboxes on my userpage, and I am quite protective of them...
- POV boxes were declared bad by Jimbo Wales, as they started being counter productive... The second Jimbo made his ruling, the debate ended. Like it or not Jimbo Wales and WMF owns wikipedia servers. Doc was only enforcing that.
- -- Cat 22:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Except that, by his own words, Jimbo was not making policy, and not encouraging people to go on a deletion spree. But that's neither here nor there, for the moment...I hate to see any valued contributor leave. I just wish that those on the other side of the issue saw that's what they're doing. Jay Maynard 22:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I for one see the entier userbox issue an exagaration. When the "war" broke out I subst: my userbox templates (none were political). Waited a month or two and found out my precation wasn't even necesary.
- I would wish to see people evolved culturaly beyond prejudice, sadly however there are many who disagrees with that kind of ideology. Userboxes with political or religious content facilitates and sparks this prejudice. Of course you taking the time talking to me aren't the prejudicing kind, but not everyone is like you.
- Some people have difficulty supressing their emotions and views, other than that they are excellent contributors. It would not be wise to slap a patriotic american with a userbox showing US army people beheaded etc. (and that user contributing to say Sep/11th attacks). Placing a limit to such cases is the problem, safest would be to delete anything political.
- -- Cat 01:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- The problem I have is that it's the user's actions that count, not their beliefs. Only when their beliefs leak into their actions is it that it's a problem (and I'm not in any way trying to minimize it) for Misplaced Pages. Just because someone is a Republican and proud of it does not mean they're putting a Republican POV into their articles; indeed, it could well mean just the opposite. I put the User republican tag on my page, when I had them at all, so that others could watch and make sure I wasn't writing with that bias.
- In any event, this has all been hashed out at great (some might say, with justification, interminable) length other places. My comment was aimed more at the toll this has taken on me, personally. Jay Maynard 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- What about a userbox portaying blacks in general for being fundemetaly stupid or whites being arrogant, Japanese being tretrous, muslims barnaric... How is all that creating a friendly and civil environment? -- Cat 23:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Except that, by his own words, Jimbo was not making policy, and not encouraging people to go on a deletion spree. But that's neither here nor there, for the moment...I hate to see any valued contributor leave. I just wish that those on the other side of the issue saw that's what they're doing. Jay Maynard 22:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes (again)
I am considering withdrawing my nomination since people are comlaining the silly about everything in no way in accordance with criteria.
Some of the oppose votes are for images being fair use, while another complains that dvd images are inaproporate and instead screenshots should be used (something whelmingly opposed on other noms). Some oppose because tables "look ugly".
What do you think. Does it have any chance of surviving the flc since I can't satisfy conflicting views... -- Cat 13:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- As long as images have Fair Use rationales (and they do) the objection is not valid and thus I wouldn't consider it. Uglyness is a factor sometimes, but what people are expecting to see is a class="wikitable" sort of thing (so that's easily addressed). I haven't really gone through the nomination this time (fairly busy week at work) but I'd recommend you not to withdraw it. Good luck. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 13:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ok. I'll wait then. :)
- class="wikitable" doesn't work properly on firefox on larger tables (and the one we have is decently large). The current table header is the modified version of wikitable compensating for the problem (and blue bg instead of grey).
- -- Cat 13:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Image:RedPencil.jpg
I am going to nominate this image for speedy deletion as now there is a .png version of the same image: Image:RedPencil.png. Any objections? -- Cat 13:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- No objections from me. I only used it for a one-off at the Reference desk. - Nunh-huh 18:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually it might be best if you speedy deleted it yourself. :) -- Cat 18:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Done. (How do you manage to have your talk page in such a nice font?) - Nunh-huh 19:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- User:Cool Cat/Talk Template does the trick. <div style="margin-left:6px; margin-right:6px; margin-top:6px; font-family: 'Georgia';"> to be more spesific. -- Cat 19:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Probably beyond my ken ... doesn't that rely on no one messing up the closing div? Nevertheless, here goes nothing.... Nunh-huh 20:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well... the dıv is intentionaly left broken so it apllies to all sections below it. I keep everything but usercomments on that sub page which makes it harder for people to mess with it... -- Cat 17:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Probably beyond my ken ... doesn't that rely on no one messing up the closing div? Nevertheless, here goes nothing.... Nunh-huh 20:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- User:Cool Cat/Talk Template does the trick. <div style="margin-left:6px; margin-right:6px; margin-top:6px; font-family: 'Georgia';"> to be more spesific. -- Cat 19:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Done. (How do you manage to have your talk page in such a nice font?) - Nunh-huh 19:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually it might be best if you speedy deleted it yourself. :) -- Cat 18:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
color
Whoooo! ORANGE! effeietsanders 20:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- This is a formal warning. Orange has been declared illegal! -- Cat 20:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Reistance is futile. Orange will take over the world! Whoooo! effeietsanders 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am Species 8471 in disguise, resistance is not futile... And borg prefers green. -- Cat 21:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Reistance is futile. Orange will take over the world! Whoooo! effeietsanders 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Osman Nuri Topbas
We need a Turkish speaker to help us determine what to do with this mostly untranslated article. Could you please take a look and comment on the notability of this person? Thank you, Kusma (討論) 03:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, I commented on the afd page. -- Cat 10:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Boy Scout rank articles
The following articles have been updated. Links have been fixed, the requirement lists were switched to references and other general cleanup.
- Life Scout (Boy Scouts of America)
- Star Scout (Boy Scouts of America)
- First Class (Boy Scouts of America)
- Second Class (Boy Scouts of America)
- Tenderfoot (Boy Scouts of America)
- Scout (Boy Scouts of America)
--Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Userpage and talk page
care to exchange designs? -- Cat 17:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I would be interested in designing each other's page. However, I would like to know what exactly you are after. Computerjoe's talk 18:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing in particular. Just the 'cultural'/'creative' exchange. -- Cat 18:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
comment on Category:Imposters of Moby Dick cfd
Hmm.. such is wide spread. see: Category:Imposters of Cool Cat, Category:Imposters of Shanel etc -- Cat 18:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, I wasn't aware of that! What a strange world Wiki seems to be. Both examples you gave me are really below the belt. Are you not interested in getting deleted the category related to you? I must say I find it in bad taste! Bertilvidet 18:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- The categories help us keep track of such accounts. It is easier to make sure they stay blocked.
- Also people writing vandal fighting scrits use such usernames on the category to create better ways in detecting and blockıng such accounts often before they are ever used.
- Obviously I have not had sex with half a dozen wikipedia admins, so I do not see the problem with the category ^_^
- -- Cat 19:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Username
Interesting username, I am curious what inspired it. :) -- Cat 17:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm glad you find my username interesting, thanks . There's no real inspiration behind it though. I simply put a group of words togeather and that's how the final result came out.
- Noble Skuld the Legend Killer 18:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Skuld is actually a legendary character in norse mythology as well as on the anime Oh My Goddess!. Cheers. -- Cat 19:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Lucky bastard/Thanks!
Heh you are famous now. I kida envy that. Congrats. -- Cat 18:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hey Cool Cat, I'm actually quite disappointed, I was hoping for a BBC interview. :p Ciao, —Khoikhoi 00:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
USAK
Selam.U still have not replied to my call on whether the statistics in Anatolian Turkish diaspora come from UMAK (i am sure u know if they are!). well, the result was, of cource 'keep', without me voting for 'delete'... Anyway, i would appreciate a reply on my question... Thanks. --Hectorian 00:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Konnichi wa! I have no idea where statistics on Anatolian Turkish diaspora came from. Have you tried reviewing Turkish people? It has some decent citation apperantly. Also if you are sure where they are from, why are you asking me? -- Cat 11:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, i am asking u cause i am not sure, and i thought that u may be (since u edit a lot in turkish-related articles). I know about USAK... so, perhaps it would be better to remove the sentence that refers to it in Anatolian Turkish diaspora, since there is no source or link. Regards. --Hectorian 16:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have no knowledge of ISRO, their activities, etc. I was even unaware of its existence until I inquired "Think Tank" article after watching Star Trek: Voyager episode "Think Tank".
- There are a vast number of articles related to Turkey, and I actually edit a very small minority. Most of my edits go to Japanese Anime and Star Trek.
- Why not ask someone who has been actually involved with that article?
- -- Cat 18:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, i am asking u cause i am not sure, and i thought that u may be (since u edit a lot in turkish-related articles). I know about USAK... so, perhaps it would be better to remove the sentence that refers to it in Anatolian Turkish diaspora, since there is no source or link. Regards. --Hectorian 16:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Scouting articles
CC: We've posted a message about the advancement articles on our ScoutingWikiProject's "Current Issues" section, here Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Scouting/Todo#Current_issues to see what others think of what the state of the advancment articles should be. We'll wait a few days to see what, if any, input we get and go from there. FYI, the main project page is here Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Scouting and the portal page is here Portal:Scouting . Rlevse 01:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- An excellent idea. Is it ok if I join the project? -- Cat 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:--RussianScout1914.jpg
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Silver vs Gold
CC: Silver comes before gold in Olympic medals, but not Eagle Palms--read up on it. The reason is that when palms were created, silver was worth more than gold, so silver was made the highest palm and BSA has never changed that. r/ Rlevse 20:50, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh... silly me :) -- Cat 21:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Russian Scout graphic
Thank you so much for restoring that graphic! Cool Cat indeed! :) This was one of the images my Wife created for me, it means more than I can explain. Thank you so much. Chris 06:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- No problem, you might want to keep backups of important images. ;)
- -- Cat 18:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Zedler and PuTTY
- Double-click on your PPK file and enter the password; this starts Pageant
- Find the Pageant icon in the system tray, right-click it and choose New Session
- Enter a name for the session, e.g. "Toolserver"; set the hostname to login-services.zedler.knams.wikimedia.org
- Choose the connection->data node from the left and enter your username under "auto login username"
- Choose the connection->ssh->auth node from the left
- Hit browse and select your PPK file
- Go back to the session node on the left
- Click Save
- Click Load
In future, just right-click the Pageant icon, point to Load Session, and click on your set-up session
Hope this helps. robchurch | talk 13:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
User talk:White Cat/Explanation
Err? What was that about? -- Cat 20:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I think I owe you an explanation. Sorry for any inconvenience or shock. The edit from the anon which you reverted yourself earlier today as vandalism contained personal information about someone who has been a victim of serious harassment, so I removed it from the history. Your page has now been restored. (It's a nice page, by the way.) See here for further information. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 20:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I wasn't in shock, just the audio alert "Warning! User talk:Cool Cat has been deleted!" got me curious.. :) I actually never noticed the personal info :P
- All I have to say is, carry on. :)
- -- Cat 20:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Inquery
Comments such as "Otaku own the internet, and the Wiki, like the internet, bends to their wishes. " is not creating a pleasant environment and is most certainly not improving the article. May I ask what are you intending to achieve on Talk:Kawaii with such comments? -- Cat 20:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
- As a response to the user's obvious question, I felt it best to be blunt and a little "tongue in cheek". Simple explanation: is often used by writers as a warning that the following comment will be overly insensitive, due to time limitations, etc. Since I also forwarded him to longer, more accurate sources I don't feel my comment was out of place. I do believe that Chokaro's comment was also meant as "tongue in cheek", as nobody really plans on fighting any "wars" over Misplaced Pages. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 02:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think an actual straight answer (as per consensus, see arcives) would be more aproporate. Referring to an otaku cabal is inaproporate and is no way to refer to fellow wikipedians (myself included).
- Chokaro's comment can be easily be interpreted as an invitation to a revert war. Please be sensative with your responses so as to make sure we avoid unnecessary confrontations.
- -- Cat 11:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Inappropriate? Have you checked google lately?
- "otaku own the internet" gives 332,000 hits
- "otaku dont own the internet" gives only 58,600 hits
- I assume you've read Misplaced Pages:Assume bad faith and I still don't see how my comments relate to you in the slightest. I would appreciate it if you didn't accuse me of seeking an "unnecessary confrontation" with you, when I have don't nothing of the sort. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 06:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- You were 'blaming' otaku for the existence of the Kawaii article, I find that attitude hostile and uncivil. Just because there are google hits doesn't give you the excuse to be uncivil. All I gave you was a friendly warning so that you evade a confortation with some other person (not me) which you interprted as an accusation... -- Cat 13:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- While I understand that you feel something is uncivil, I still fail to see why. As a side, please don't bend the facts. ...is not creating a pleasant environment and is most certainly not improving the article sounds much more like an accusation than a warning to me. Usually friendly warnings work like "Hey, would you mind not saying stuff like that? I know you were just poking fun but it kind of bugs me" but then again, I don't really expect you to be friendly, and I don't mind being accused; you've been friendly enough to me before and I know basically what to expect of you. Also, I'd like to remind you again of something you said, May I ask what are you intending to achieve with such comments?, which is clearly asking for my opinion on this matter, and I have respectfully done so. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 00:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. All I have to add to my previous statement is, avoid comnnets such as Otaku own the internet etc... This chain of comments is being most unproductive. -- Cat 00:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- While I understand that you feel something is uncivil, I still fail to see why. As a side, please don't bend the facts. ...is not creating a pleasant environment and is most certainly not improving the article sounds much more like an accusation than a warning to me. Usually friendly warnings work like "Hey, would you mind not saying stuff like that? I know you were just poking fun but it kind of bugs me" but then again, I don't really expect you to be friendly, and I don't mind being accused; you've been friendly enough to me before and I know basically what to expect of you. Also, I'd like to remind you again of something you said, May I ask what are you intending to achieve with such comments?, which is clearly asking for my opinion on this matter, and I have respectfully done so. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 00:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- You were 'blaming' otaku for the existence of the Kawaii article, I find that attitude hostile and uncivil. Just because there are google hits doesn't give you the excuse to be uncivil. All I gave you was a friendly warning so that you evade a confortation with some other person (not me) which you interprted as an accusation... -- Cat 13:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Inappropriate? Have you checked google lately?
Air
I realised I havent yet created this anime an episode list... I think I will in a day or two (I generally create the hole thing in one edit) -- Cat 21:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Funny I just happened to catch you creating that article (I was about to do the same), but I really don't think we should go with the OMG format with Air. By only having two episodes each, there is a LOT of wasted space. Personally, I think we should just move over the tables we already have in the main article. --SeizureDog 19:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- You see the raw version, I haven't even started. -- Cat 19:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Still, that's twice as much space to fill per episode. What are you going to flesh it out with? Summary?--SeizureDog 19:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't that how it is on OMG article? ;) -- Cat 19:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Except for OMG the titles themselves take up 3 lines, and there are 3 episodes per disc instead of 2. You're going to have to write about x4 as much summary as OMG does if you don't want it looking empty.--SeizureDog 19:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- OMG has a simple story plot compared to Air's drama. I do not believe the 4x as much summary will be too challenging. -- Cat 21:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Don't forget that you also need to keep the spoiler count down in that x4 summary too though...--SeizureDog 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- I actually need help with one mater. I am not certain with what dvd did the recap episode was given out with (if it was at all). -- Cat 01:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Don't forget that you also need to keep the spoiler count down in that x4 summary too though...--SeizureDog 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- OMG has a simple story plot compared to Air's drama. I do not believe the 4x as much summary will be too challenging. -- Cat 21:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Except for OMG the titles themselves take up 3 lines, and there are 3 episodes per disc instead of 2. You're going to have to write about x4 as much summary as OMG does if you don't want it looking empty.--SeizureDog 19:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't that how it is on OMG article? ;) -- Cat 19:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Still, that's twice as much space to fill per episode. What are you going to flesh it out with? Summary?--SeizureDog 19:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- You see the raw version, I haven't even started. -- Cat 19:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Isn't it this?--SeizureDog 02:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
On another note, why is every DVD cover you put except for the first one different from the ones I'm finding on amazon.co.jp? looky It says you're finding these pictures on Amazon but what's your search term? I can't even FIND the freaking things in the English side. --SeizureDog 02:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I actually searched for "Air" on amazon.co.jp (remember, the name isnt avalible in kanji). There are a lot of false hits but eventually you get to the anime. There are two versions of the dvd covers. I picked the ones that featured the characters more, with the exeption if the first one which the alternative is ridiclously low on quality.
- Air hasn't been licensed in the US yet (to my knowledge) so it is quite normal why it is not on amazon.com.
- -- Cat 04:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Silly me, I didn't open the images all the way. Seems that images.amazon.com hosts the images for all languages. Also, would you mind drawing up a character table such for the OMG characters? I could start working on those articles. I'm not sure how many fields will be needed though, as I'm not sure if there is random information for the characters height and such.--SeizureDog 04:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- It shall be done. -- Cat 08:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Silly me, I didn't open the images all the way. Seems that images.amazon.com hosts the images for all languages. Also, would you mind drawing up a character table such for the OMG characters? I could start working on those articles. I'm not sure how many fields will be needed though, as I'm not sure if there is random information for the characters height and such.--SeizureDog 04:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if Air is technically a series. A series implies sequels. Air just got remade...3 times. It's kinda like calling Romeo and Juliet a series when it has so many adaptations. Do I have a better suggestion? No. I just felt like pointing it out as it's likely to bug the hell out of me. Oh me and the things I focus on :P --SeizureDog 11:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- The anime has a ridiclously siple title... Air... I mean wtf were the creators thinking? Technically the OMG OVA and the OMG TV series are unrelated. OVA is a prarllel universe on its own detached even from manga. TV is... different from the manga. Movie is well also different. Mini series has a mind of its own. Its kinda the same deal with air just that air's stories are much closely related.
- I just dont like labeling Air as a game, an anime or a manga etc since its both and more...
- -- Cat 15:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Ranks and insignia of NATO armies officers needs to be fixed please
I am not good at fix html, but I noticed something wrong with this page. The American Officers is wrong. “Second Lieutenant” is O-1 and “General of the Army” is not O-10, but it is a rank reserved for war, which is correct. So, to fix the American Army ranks on this page, just move “First Lieutenant” to the O-2 position, and then move all the other ones up one and that will fix it, and in the O-10 position should be “General.” If someone could fix that, I would appreciate it, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.34.57.24 (talk • contribs)
- You are confusing US rating and NATO rating. See U.S. Army officer rank insignia for both of them. -- Cat 13:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Chris is cool
It is not currently protected. I think it should probaly not be described as such until it is. having said that, iI do ot see any point in reverting it. You could ask User:dvib to protect it, he is fairly responsive, and deleted it originally.Dolive21 15:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Working on it. Take a deep breath and give me a few minutes/hours... -- Cat 15:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Re:OMG
Check Excel Saga, they have some pretty good sources and ideas in their article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your Mediation Cabal case
I appreciate the time you took to discuss your case with me on IRC earlier and especially your willingness to help prevent its escalation. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Thank you for allowing MedCab to mediate your case! ~Kylu (u|t) 15:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
character stubs
Cool Cat, why are you creating all these Air character stubs like Michiru? WP:FICT suggests characters be discussed in the article about the show unless the content is too long to justify, which doesn't seem to be the case here.--Kchase02 T 08:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Take a deep breath and wait a day or two...
- I was requested to create a template for characters and went ahead and created the stubs as well. Michiru for example is very important to the plot of the anime and has apeared in multiple episodes...
- Also Misplaced Pages:Notability (fiction) is not a policy but a guideline, it is a recomendation not a rule.
- -- Cat 09:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I was quoting it as a guideline. I'll admit I'm a little trigger happy about character stubs b/c I recently had to deal with this guy.--Kchase02 T 21:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh a vandal using cartoon characters... Someone just isn't creative... You might want to post the issue on Misplaced Pages talk:Counter-Vandalism Unit -- Cat 01:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- I was quoting it as a guideline. I'll admit I'm a little trigger happy about character stubs b/c I recently had to deal with this guy.--Kchase02 T 21:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
The evidence section
I see that you find it hard to stay away from me and my edits, and do a lot of research regarding my activities on Misplaced Pages. I guess that now, nothing will prevent me from investigating your edits and add relevant evidence regarding your continued POV editing and other violations to your most recent ArbCom case. -- Karl Meier 21:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm? I was asked to comment there via email. You seemed to have predetermined conclusions... That is no way to start any investigation. In any case, be my guest to review my edits and present them at arbcom case.
- Only edits that can be viewed as somewhat contraverisal was in Batman, Turkey. I objected the cities ethnic clasification as "kurdish dominant" when such thing cannot be based on any reliable data and that such a thing should be presented as a "claim" in the light of WP:NPOV, WP:Cite etc... I really have nothing to hide, I never had.
- What I call "a lot of research" is the evidence I collected against Moby Dick. IIRC you were present on that ANB/I discussion.
- -- Cat 21:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- To present edits that are more than half a year old does indeed take a lot of research, and that is what you just did. Anyway, as you clearly refuse to stay away from me and my edits I will feel free to examine your diffs. Whether or not your edits has been against policy is something then something that the ArbCom will make a decision about. -- Karl Meier 21:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I picked an article randomly that you have edited recently, Ali Sina. At random and reviewed the past 1000 edits reviewing your reverts. My monobook highlights administrators so its fairly easy to notice an administrator reverting you...
- You seem to be alarmed when people monitor/review your edits. It is curious however the behaviour that alarms you is the behaviour you indulge yourself most...
- Whether or not your edits has been against policy is something then something that the ArbCom will make a decision about as well...
- -- Cat 22:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- In any case what is the purpose of this talk page msg? -- Cat 22:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- To present edits that are more than half a year old does indeed take a lot of research, and that is what you just did. Anyway, as you clearly refuse to stay away from me and my edits I will feel free to examine your diffs. Whether or not your edits has been against policy is something then something that the ArbCom will make a decision about. -- Karl Meier 21:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
To boldly expand what no one had expand before!
I think Air (series) structuring is complete. Feel free to expand character and series artciles... :) -- Cat 16:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nice :) Btw, what the hell would you say is Yukito's hair color? It goes from gray to lavender to freaking purple (movie mostly). Also, do the character infoboxes have the ability to show multiple screenshots like for the OMG characters? I think showing the differences in style can be pretty important for this series, especially with Misuzu as she looks like 5 years older in the movie. --SeizureDog 16:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Umm... "Gray/lavender/purple"?
- The character infobox is a modified version of the OMG infobox and only redundent parameters like "Angel" "Dimension" (etc) are removed. It can have the extra images just like the OMG infobox.
- -- Cat 16:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Mk. Also, I think the "first appearance" field should be changed to "era" or something. Seeing how most everyone is introduced in the first episode. It's not as staggered as OMG. lol, funny thing just happened though. I was looking at Misuzu's article and I suddenly just saw the phrase "soul bears" and I was like "wtf is a soul bear?" The full phrase was "Thus, each incarnation of Kanna (e.g. Misuzu) will eventually die after she has found true happiness and friendship, alone, without ever having had the chance to heal the wounds that Kanna's soul bears." lawl, soul bears XD--SeizureDog 16:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Done. "First apearance" field is gone and "Era" is introduced.
- Ya... soul bears.. :P
- -- Cat 17:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Mk. Also, I think the "first appearance" field should be changed to "era" or something. Seeing how most everyone is introduced in the first episode. It's not as staggered as OMG. lol, funny thing just happened though. I was looking at Misuzu's article and I suddenly just saw the phrase "soul bears" and I was like "wtf is a soul bear?" The full phrase was "Thus, each incarnation of Kanna (e.g. Misuzu) will eventually die after she has found true happiness and friendship, alone, without ever having had the chance to heal the wounds that Kanna's soul bears." lawl, soul bears XD--SeizureDog 16:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick/Workshop.
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Kemal Atatürk or Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (discussion on move)
Talk:Kemal_Atatürk Cretanforever
Turkish user at commons
commons:User:Hasan Sami Bolak has uploaded many images, citing only the website (in Turkish, I assume) but not giving any copyright tags. There are numerous messages in commons:User talk:Hasan Sami Bolak but I'm not sure the person understood that apart from citing the source one has to also give licencing info. for all the uploaded images. Can you try requesting (preferably in Turkish) to add licence tags?
Probably you could also offer some insight into the licencing info. of some of these images from what is mentioned (again, I assume, in Turkish) in commons:Image:Nihan Bolak tavşanıyla...JPG, commons:Image:Süleymaniye Camii-İstanbul.jpg. Thanks! -- Paddu 23:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, I have talked to him. I also arranged the expansion of the tag which now has Turkish. -- Cat 12:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, and thanks for adding a Turkish translation as well. -- Paddu 15:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Irishpunktom
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Disambiguation link at Skuld (Oh My Goddess!)
It is now fixed. Since these are norse goddesses, I think we are looking at Classical element -- Cat 09:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for sorting the element link out from the Oh My Goddess infoboxes. LeeG 11:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- Anything for Skuld :) -- Cat 12:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Archive standards
Hi Cool Cat. I noticed that you've been involved with the archive header templates (e.g. {{Archive}} or {{Talkarchive}}) in one way or another and I was wondering if you'd care to join the discussion over at Misplaced Pages talk:How to archive a talk page#Archive standards. I plan on writing a bot that will do some archival work, so establishing consensus on the use of our archive header templates is important to me. Thanks! ~MDD4696 16:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Turkey
Cool Cat, I've joined WikiProject Turkey and I was wondering if you can help me with some articles. I'm trying to write an article on the Turkish motor industry; could you help me?? I noticed you're a member there, so I'd ask you! (since you take part so much!) --Sunholm(talk) 17:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Greetings. What kind of assistance do you desire? -- Cat 18:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Can you find some info on the Turkish motor industry for me?? (BTW, you are a good editor, no doubt about that!) --Sunholm(talk) 18:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am flatered. But I can only find spesific information. I would use google to find the info which you can use w/o me. I am not certain how you want me to proceed. -- Cat 21:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Turkish Automotive Manufacturers Association I had in mind articles on the same subject as well as the shipbuilding industry too. Much work these days. Cretanforever.
- I am flatered. But I can only find spesific information. I would use google to find the info which you can use w/o me. I am not certain how you want me to proceed. -- Cat 21:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Can you find some info on the Turkish motor industry for me?? (BTW, you are a good editor, no doubt about that!) --Sunholm(talk) 18:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Redirecting WP:VOTE
Greetings, I noticed you redirected this to the proposed policy/guideline Misplaced Pages:Survey notification. Would you mind just leaving it as it is? It's a complementary shortcut to WP:NOVOTE. If Misplaced Pages:Survey notification is adopted... the question of that redirect should be revisted. Thanks. Netscott 14:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm... I dont know, how about making it a disambiguation page. The "Vote Stacking" really needs a good shortcut. I am open to suggestions as always. -- Cat 14:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- WP:NOTSPAM? WP:NOTIFY? WP:NOTIFICATION? I welcome you to respond here without the need to crosspost on my talk page. Thanks. Netscott 14:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the riginal name of the policy was "Vote stacking". Maybe a WP:Stack -- Cat 14:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- And WP:VOTESTACK as well... that would be equally memorable. Netscott 14:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, additionally it appears that you only created WP:Stack. Normally shortcuts are made with caps, so you might want to make WP:STACK as well. Take it easy. Netscott 15:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- And WP:VOTESTACK as well... that would be equally memorable. Netscott 14:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the riginal name of the policy was "Vote stacking". Maybe a WP:Stack -- Cat 14:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- WP:NOTSPAM? WP:NOTIFY? WP:NOTIFICATION? I welcome you to respond here without the need to crosspost on my talk page. Thanks. Netscott 14:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Atheism?
Hi Cool Cat. I was reading your user page and I saw that you're a Computer Engineering major... cool! I am too. Furthur down I saw that you put an exclamation point after Atheism. I'm not sure what that means. Did you intend to emphasize that atheism is not a religion, or something else? I'm just curious. ~MDD4696 21:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, it is just that being accused of being an atheist and a muslim was kinda funny since the two religions arent compatible. I do not reveal the faith I believe in or weather I believe in one. ;)
- Atheisms claisfication (weather its a religion or not) is a controversial issue which I'd rather not get indulged in
- -- Cat 21:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'll get into it though ... of course atheism isn't a religion. In addition to the simple meaning of the word, it shares nothing in common with religions ... there's no organized hierarchy of atheists, there's no irrational beliefs, no faith, etc. --Cyde↔Weys 22:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, some argue the absence of religion itself is a religion...
- Many wars are fought over religion even in this century. The idea of dying in the name of a religion is a very dangerous ideology. It basically allows one to shut off moral center.
- My view is that religion is a topic best kept alone. Everybody is free to believe in what they believe in and no one should impose their beliefs on others. If only we followed a Prime Directive, life would be much better on the planet.
- -- Cat 22:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'll get into it though ... of course atheism isn't a religion. In addition to the simple meaning of the word, it shares nothing in common with religions ... there's no organized hierarchy of atheists, there's no irrational beliefs, no faith, etc. --Cyde↔Weys 22:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages Guidelines
There are many wikipedia guidelines, many often conflict each other. Guidelines are ment to guide users in writing high quality articles and are not absolute. If the application of a guideline degrades article quality, I am more than willing to ignore it.
Some wikiprojects set their own guidelines such as the one ned 'works' at (has a total of 6 members I believe). Nothing compels me to follow their 'standards', especially if the format I use is used on 3 featured lists, all three I used. He is telling me that I cannot use DVD covers on that list I have initiated. He has no such authority, no one does. Consider this change in the name of guidelines.
My comment originaly was protesting against the application of WP:FICTION on stub articles I created. Now I intend to expand them in time, I cannot do that in an hour. The creation of the stubs happened less than a week ago. People started talking about mergers before I could even rewatch the series.
This whole thing is pretty silly, I know but it is not a content dispute. Ned just want the articles to appear exactly how he wants them. He does not contribute to the articles much. Prior to june he had no contribution to air at all.
-- Cat 04:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually there has been at least 16 editors who've listed themselves as a participant of WikiProject LOE. Granted the project went a bit inactive for a while, these style guidelines were always apart of the project. And note, that's just how many who've added themselves to a list or category. WikiProjects don't really have "members", but rather, they're a place for anyone to discuss and form ideas about a similar topic that applies to many articles. And all the ideas were taken from active episode list articles, using their discussions, ideas, and layouts as well. Many more editors are involved than just those who add a userbox to their userpage. This is not "our" standards, but Misplaced Pages's standards. I never said you couldn't use DVD covers, I just said it looked ugly to place them on the sides of the lists like that. The reason people talk about mergers before YOU can start editing and re-watching stuff is because they are not YOUR articles. These articles belong to all of us, as fans and as Wikipedians. You really should include other people. -- Ned Scott 05:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- This hole thing started when I answered this request. I made this fatal edit for which Ned had practicaly punished me. neds other contribution on Talk:List of Lost episodes is also visible. In sum I am being punished for making a remark. -- Cat 04:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- That is the first time I recall coming across you, but no, I am not mad about that, I am not punishing you for that. For any actions that you have taken that I have objected to, there are true and valid reasons for my objections. -- Ned Scott 05:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll just say a few things about that. First off, I think the the times when guidelines should not be followed are rare exceptions, not the rules, and I don't think I'm alone in that view. Secondly, it does seem that he is discussing this. If consensus goes against him and he continues to revert, then there's something actionable. Thirdly, I personally detest stubs and believe that everyone should make use of workspaces to get a good sized article before posting (and I was a big supporter of WP:FICT). Finally, there's nothing wrong with jumping into a new article and making changes to a page so long as you don't go against the feeling of the other editors, which can be determined through discussion. --InShaneee 04:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK consider this. You start edititing an article (you initiate it) and this third party comes and dictates it. List of Oh My Goddess episodes List of Planetes episodes List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes follow the style I want for List of Air episodes. Is there any reason you would object to that?
- Would you object to stub articles the second you notice them or would you give them like a month or a week?
- -- Cat 04:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- You consider your fellow anime editors a "third party"? Initiation for an electronic document doesn't mean you were the one to start writing about the subject, ether. Even if it was, that does not make other editors a third party, or give you any more say in an article than your fellow editors. -- Ned Scott 05:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I dont quite follow this.... -- Cat 07:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- You consider your fellow anime editors a "third party"? Initiation for an electronic document doesn't mean you were the one to start writing about the subject, ether. Even if it was, that does not make other editors a third party, or give you any more say in an article than your fellow editors. -- Ned Scott 05:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Threat to "revert war as long as it takes"
Your comment, "I will continue that revert war as long as it takes." is highly inappropriate. Revert warring is specifically against Misplaced Pages policy (see the bold part in this paragraph). If you decide to continue in a revert war, you may be blocked from editing on Misplaced Pages for a period of time.
I would hate to do this as I think you are a good editor and you have made many, many good contributions to Misplaced Pages. However, disruptions that threaten the general peace on Misplaced Pages can not be tolerated. I strongly recommend that you engage in civil discussions with Ned Scott and try to work out any differences of opinion you have about the List of Air episodes article on the talk page. Thank you. (^_^) ···日本穣 07:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I dislike to be bullied. I have no issues with ned. I was haply editing the article until he arived and dictate it. If such behaviour is acceptable, so are revert wars. I am sick and tired of getting stalked. Even with overwheling evidence I only get a slowly progressing Arbcom case which only allows the stalker to come back with a sock. ned perhaps isn't Davenbelle/Moby Dick but as much anoying. -- Cat 14:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Reverts
I see you revert me between edits. May I inquire the reason for the hurry? -- Cat 15:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- "hurry" is relative. But I am free to correct what I interpret is the misuse of {{Infobox animanga}} fields. --TheFarix (Talk) 16:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- I do not believe I am misusing the template. Who determines what constitutes as a misuse? -- Cat 19:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- WikiProject Anime and manga -- Ned Scott 03:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Wikiprojects dont run the show. And I really hate when an uninvited party interferes with my convo. -- Cat 17:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- WikiProject Anime and manga -- Ned Scott 03:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I do not believe I am misusing the template. Who determines what constitutes as a misuse? -- Cat 19:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Template:Infobox animanga/Header
The default 250px as it is now defeates the point of size parameter. Does it not? -- Cat 19:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, it doesn't. The way the paramaters are set up currently make the size parameter the senoir parameter of the two. Should it be left blank, the image box defaults to the original. However, if {{{size|250px}} is used, it will cause an error in some templates. Should someone declare the parameter with "size = ", but not give a value, the image will not display. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I see. Thanks then. ^_^ -- Cat 22:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Cool name!
Good choice of name! CoolGuy 02:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) -- Cat 16:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Straw Poll for List of Air episodes
I have created a straw poll in hopes of quickly resolving the dispute over List of Air episodes. Talk:List of Air episodes#Straw poll for which episode table to use. I strongly encourage everyone to share their opinion and vote. -- Ned Scott 03:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Naruto ep 51
Hey, you had a good description for this. Unfortunately, certain trivia and other stuff relates to episode 40 and not 51. I started to edit what actually happened: convo between Kabuto and Orochimaru, Kabuto trying to eliminate Sasuke, etc but I lost connection or hit back and it all got erased. :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.118.9 (talk • contribs)
- That info is stored on the chache of your browser. If its gone, nothing can bring it back. -- Cat 16:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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Impostor?
I recently welcomed User:Coolcat789, this name is quite similar to yours, i'm not really sure what to do but I thought i'd let you know anyway. MichaelBillington 02:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I thank you for notifying me. User creation log indicate the account in question was created by User:Coola1800 at 21:15 hours UTC on 22 June 2006. Same log indicate that account for User:Coola1800 itself was created quite some time ago at 20:27 hours UTC on 27 April 2006. Neither user has any edits.
- Judging from the absence of other accounts, I conclude that these are not created from the use of a public computer or a proxy which would be expected from an impersonator.
- Creating multiple accounts without using either is strange to say the least but so far nothing implies impostoration. Hence we should treat him like a legitemate user. Haveing said that, staying vigilant would be a prudent course of action. I'll watch "both" of them for a while.
- -- Cat 06:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Moby Dick
Already had him, but did it again. He uses several ips. Fred Bauder 12:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Translations
Hi, Cool Cat. My Japanese is still horrible, so can I inquire a favor..? I would appreciate a translation of the test on these pages: Ajim and Guerilian, Z-Gradt and Shadow VR. The translations can be copied to Talk:Virtuaroid -Zero 13:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I really know very little japanese, my knowledge of japanese script is however at much more laughable levels. You might want to chack for a native speaker or a level 3 or 4 by using the ja-category. -- Cat 13:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Do you perhaps know of anyone who can translate...? This data is really quite relevant to the article. -Zero 13:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Category:User ja-N, Category:User ja-4, and Category:User ja-3 has the list of people with good knowledge of japanese. I do not know anyone who would translate a page and ask random users/people to translate from time to time. -- Cat 13:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'll look about the cateogry and see how it goes. I'm not familiar with any of these editors. -Zero 13:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- That the beulty of user categories. Go ahead, seek out new life! :) -- Cat 13:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, but I'm a wiki-hermit. :) -Zero 17:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- P.S.: Could you please copy merely your reply note if you reply on my talkpage instead of the entire conversation...? Thanks. :)
- Oh, but I'm a wiki-hermit. :) -Zero 17:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- That the beulty of user categories. Go ahead, seek out new life! :) -- Cat 13:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'll look about the cateogry and see how it goes. I'm not familiar with any of these editors. -Zero 13:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Category:User ja-N, Category:User ja-4, and Category:User ja-3 has the list of people with good knowledge of japanese. I do not know anyone who would translate a page and ask random users/people to translate from time to time. -- Cat 13:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Do you perhaps know of anyone who can translate...? This data is really quite relevant to the article. -Zero 13:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you
Thanks for the new image on the POV template, CC. It looks really nice, and much less aggressive. SlimVirgin 02:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind words. -- Cat 02:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Template_messages/Disputes there are other neutrality (NPOV related) templates. Do you think it would be aproporate to use the image on them as well?
- If so would you mind doing the honors?
- -- Cat 02:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Vote change - Air list thing.
Why does the other template look better? I modified it to look almost identical. (it has a few optional parameters allowing me to use dvd covers more efficiently) -- Cat 02:56, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, I'm not sure how to explain why does the other template look better, it's just an aesthetic thing I guess. Personal preference. _dk 03:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Our taste in tables dont seem to be matching then. Hypoteticaly, would it bug you if my version was used? -- Cat 03:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not at all, if consenus decides that your version gets used. _dk 03:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- I do not like this idea of a "consensus". After all, I am the person writing the article. I should be free to choose any style I wish, asuming it is legable/workable.
- Wikiprojects cannot and should not dictate what I can and cannot do and I feel this is what it is about.
- -- Cat 04:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Er...let me try to put this in a way where it doesn't sound offensive, hopefully. You are not the only person writing the article, and we should all try to respect each other's views when cooperating on an article. That is why we need consensus. Wikiprojects, as you said, cannot dictate what individual editors do, but they provide coordination and consistency for a subject area.... And that is needed for the benefit of the readers, as the readers are, ultimately, who Misplaced Pages serves. _dk 04:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, wikiprojects bring coordination and consistency. Neither the difference in the templates, nor the debate provide any additional consistency. Both list provide same info in almost identical manner and are consistent with norms. Coordination means they work as a group to improve a list, not dictate it. They as a group should be working for a consensus, willing to compromise. I compromised, why cannot they?
- The OMG template was created long before its counterpart as a part of Anime wikiproject. The LOE wikiproject replace the OMG usage (as it did on exel saga as they proudly express it) generating inconsistancy. Anime wikiproject should be coordinating anime related articles for consistancy.
- The point is, is the difference in the two versions worth the effort?
- -- Cat 10:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Er...let me try to put this in a way where it doesn't sound offensive, hopefully. You are not the only person writing the article, and we should all try to respect each other's views when cooperating on an article. That is why we need consensus. Wikiprojects, as you said, cannot dictate what individual editors do, but they provide coordination and consistency for a subject area.... And that is needed for the benefit of the readers, as the readers are, ultimately, who Misplaced Pages serves. _dk 04:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Not at all, if consenus decides that your version gets used. _dk 03:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Our taste in tables dont seem to be matching then. Hypoteticaly, would it bug you if my version was used? -- Cat 03:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Compromise
Lets settle this with a compromise. So far I have compromised the thick borders (with delight might I add). I also converted the template to folow the "LOE" table markup.
So far you have not compromised at all. Now I request to be able to use whats left of my tables. The only difference currently is where kanji, romaji, and episode numbers appear. I prefer my syntax.
Perhaps that could be applied to the LOE template? Or a new LOE template for articles using dvd covers?
-- Cat 06:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- As a gesture of good faith I have removed thick borders on every page I used my syntax on with the exeption of locked air list. -- Cat 06:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I await your response anxiously. -- Cat 07:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Since you have responded to a comment I make on the talk page of the List of air episodes I believe you have noticed this post. While you have the liberty to reply at your conviniance, please respond confirming you are considering the suggestion. -- Cat 03:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why would I compromise something that isn't just my view, but the view of many editors, and is backed by logic? I'm all for getting along with you, but I won't sacrifice these issues for the sake of appearing friendly. I don't have much reason to trust you, ether. Sure, you are speaking of compromise and collaboration now, but is that only because you have been backed into a corner with no choice? I noticed on some of your archived talk pages that one editor reminded you to put fair use rational statements on images, and your response was something to the extent of "I don't have to do what anyone tells me to do". It was only until it was a requirement of the featured lists and it was brought up during the OMG candidacy that you complied, when you had no other choice. We will make some sort of peace with each other, surely, but not by sacrificing editing values. -- Ned Scott 06:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- In war there are only two ways to peace. Either through one sides surrender, or both sides compromise. What you ask of me is unconditional surrender.
- View of many editors are met. That is why I compromised by modifying my version of the template. I have taken into account their arguments especially about "easy use". The template now is almost identical to the LOE template with a few minor differences. The point of a compromise is to let go certain things you disagree with as should the other party.
- I am making an effort to settle this in a civil and cooperative environment. Both sides made mistakes such as revert warring. In a cooperative environment, no one is cornered.
- Oh and btw, OMG achieved fac w/o the fair use rationales (see timestamp of the addition of the rationnale). I added that later on after someone bothered to expain me the reasonings behind fair-use rationales via IRC. I not only agreed with his reasonings, but became an advocate of the issue. I am not as close minded as you portray me.
- What is it that you do not trust about me? I havent deceived you or anything have I?
- -- Cat 11:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why would I compromise something that isn't just my view, but the view of many editors, and is backed by logic? I'm all for getting along with you, but I won't sacrifice these issues for the sake of appearing friendly. I don't have much reason to trust you, ether. Sure, you are speaking of compromise and collaboration now, but is that only because you have been backed into a corner with no choice? I noticed on some of your archived talk pages that one editor reminded you to put fair use rational statements on images, and your response was something to the extent of "I don't have to do what anyone tells me to do". It was only until it was a requirement of the featured lists and it was brought up during the OMG candidacy that you complied, when you had no other choice. We will make some sort of peace with each other, surely, but not by sacrificing editing values. -- Ned Scott 06:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Naruto episode #9
I created this wiki but maybe I should have read something on how to do it first. if you had time I was wondering if you wouldnt mind helping make any edits. Ill be working on it too. also, if you wouldnt mind, please post a link on my talk page or something I can use because I have no idea how to communicate with other users. and you seem like a cool cat and all ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeydo (talk • contribs)
- Alright, Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) is the guideline you may want to observe.
- My reccomendation is writing one or two line summaries for individual naruto episodes on List of Naruto episodes first.
- I'd be more than happy to answer individual questions. Just a general one is hard to answer.
- -- Cat 12:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
List of Oh My Goddess episodes
As per this edit, I request you check other anime episodes I have been involved with. See: User:Cool Cat/Office for other episode lists I participated. :) -- Cat 20:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you look at Template talk:Japanese episode list under Using the template, you'll see that the standard is 98% and not 100%, so I changed it accordingly. Actually, it was because I brought up the point to Ned Scott that he changed it from 100% to 98% because of the horizontal scrolling bar that appears on the MSN browser that I use, if not others, but I'm not sure if it affects any other browsers the same way.--Juhachi 20:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why must you cite a reason? I am assuming good faith and do not desire nor require a detailed explanation.
- I was only asking you to make similar modifications on all other episode lists on my office and check for other problems that might exist with msn browser.
- -- Cat 20:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, well I misread it then; sorry. I've made the same modification to the Planetes and FMA lists too.--Juhachi 20:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. Please let me know if any of the lists break with any browser. I;ll do my best to make it compatible with all browsers or at least I will try ;) -- Cat 03:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, well I misread it then; sorry. I've made the same modification to the Planetes and FMA lists too.--Juhachi 20:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
98% width issue
The 98% isn't important. It was a minor adjustment so some browsers wouldn't show a horizontal scroll bar when rendering the Wikitable. It's not really apart of any guideline. -- Ned Scott 22:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Editing wikipedia is quite possible w/o a guideline or a straw poll. With little care, pages can look perfectly on multiple browsers. -- Cat 01:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, no, you prove that wrong. Normally people accept progress, instead of hanging on to "their things". -- Ned Scott 03:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry what progress are we talking about? What is the point of that comment? -- Cat 03:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Lets take the example of the Air nav templates. How many times did you revert me on that before taking it into consideration? Take the bold table lines, how long did it take for you to question that it might be a simple bug and not a requirement? Why is it that we must corner you in order for you to realize simple things? Look at your attitude towards official guidelines and WikiProjects. Of course they're not the final word, and no one is expected to live in "fear" of them. But rather than you looking at them and saying "hey, I bet there was a conversation behind that and I bet someone made a really good point that lead to that being a guideline." Rather, you ignore it all together, despite when other editors cite it as something helpful, directly to you. I forget where it says, but I believe there's another statement or guideline about guidelines themselves, and it says it's more important to follow them in spirit than word for word. You lack the collaborative spirit, you lack trust in your fellow Wikipedians. We take ideas from all of us and try to take the best parts and go forward. These things you think are my ideas, aren't my ideas. They're ideas I took from someone else, that they took from someone else, etc. It's been very hard to get you to think outside your editing style. I'm not telling you this to be rude, I'm telling this to you because I really want you to realize it. -- Ned Scott 03:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Lets take example of air templates. You revert warred against me. Have you not? Have you attempted explaining yourself? Have you attempted a compromise? I had to get a 3rd person to come up with a 3rd version in between. Have you taken my version into consideration?
- I believe (without quoting a guideline or polcy) that it is imperative for wikipedia pages to be rendered correctly on all browsers. At the very least an effort should be made to make pages work on multiple browsers. My views on the necesity of thick borders have not changed. I pashionately support the think borders. While being slightly ugly, thick boreds work well on firefox. But I compromised something I pashionately believe in to cool of the heat of the debate. Somebody has to pull his hand off the triger...
- Who is we? Who do you talk behalf of? Who is cornering me? What kind of an attitude is "cornerring"? I do not believe I have been cornered. I can just as easly continue the revert war.
- My attitude towards wikiprojects is in accordance with Misplaced Pages:Wikiproject, a WikiProject is a collection of pages (just a list of links) devoted to the management of a specific family of information within Misplaced Pages. It is a resource to help coordinate and organize article writing. Nothing more, nothing less. Wikiprojects have no juristiction in any way nor are they in any way official. Wikiprojects do not set standards.
- I do not ignore guidelines, I am just not obsessed about them. I edit in good faith developing a chain of articles. If a guideline or policy is making my life complicated, I forget about it until I have a working article. Then I consider weather or not applying the policy improves the articles value (Misplaced Pages:Ignore all rules). Misplaced Pages is NOT a burocracy. Also which guideline am I allegedly not following?
- I think it was you not trusting me (for whatever the reason). I do however trust you. I know for certain you don't vandalise articles. Nor do I consider you to be a threat to wikipedia. I monitor every edit of people I do not "trust" such as User:MARMOT.
- I colaborate just fine, assuming I am beeing talked to. I prefer to resolve disputes with diplomacy and discussion. I prefer to discuss matters with other editors rather than forcing it as a standard or via a straw poll.
- Again who is we? The Borg? Whoes input are we talking about? Certinly not my input... that has been actively dismissed at Template talk:Japanese episode list. I am not sure which ideas are we discussing, but the origin does not matter.
- If you want me to consider something, you should talk to me and tell me precisely what I should consder. I was unaware that I had an editing pattern...
- It was very late when I was posting this. If something doesn't make any sense its probably because I am sleepy. :) I'll correct any such error later on.
- -- Cat 04:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Lets take the example of the Air nav templates. How many times did you revert me on that before taking it into consideration? Take the bold table lines, how long did it take for you to question that it might be a simple bug and not a requirement? Why is it that we must corner you in order for you to realize simple things? Look at your attitude towards official guidelines and WikiProjects. Of course they're not the final word, and no one is expected to live in "fear" of them. But rather than you looking at them and saying "hey, I bet there was a conversation behind that and I bet someone made a really good point that lead to that being a guideline." Rather, you ignore it all together, despite when other editors cite it as something helpful, directly to you. I forget where it says, but I believe there's another statement or guideline about guidelines themselves, and it says it's more important to follow them in spirit than word for word. You lack the collaborative spirit, you lack trust in your fellow Wikipedians. We take ideas from all of us and try to take the best parts and go forward. These things you think are my ideas, aren't my ideas. They're ideas I took from someone else, that they took from someone else, etc. It's been very hard to get you to think outside your editing style. I'm not telling you this to be rude, I'm telling this to you because I really want you to realize it. -- Ned Scott 03:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry what progress are we talking about? What is the point of that comment? -- Cat 03:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, no, you prove that wrong. Normally people accept progress, instead of hanging on to "their things". -- Ned Scott 03:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Help
This guy keeps adding some extremely POV sentences on Turkey's history in the Turkey article. Earlier he used to do it as an anon, but now he's got a user name I think he's gone over 6 reverts now. Im a novice at WP, so can you report this guy to the admins for breaking the 3RR ? Thanks KSK
- Thanks a lot! ...but he's back again. This time as User:Lifer00. *sigh* --KSK 05:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- His presistance is, directly proportional to the length of the block. Hence why he is indefinately blocked. -- Cat 08:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! ...but he's back again. This time as User:Lifer00. *sigh* --KSK 05:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/List of Air episodes
I really apriciate that correction of your however there seems to be a problem with the script. See this diff:
Please do not interprete this msg as a discouragement. -- Cat 15:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, I was using Firefox when that correction to your page was made... Sorry about that. --JDemail 15:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- No need to apologise, was just pointing out a bug. I know how annoying those can be... :) -- Cat 15:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
POV issues
Please kindly discuss your concerns on the Talk page, so that other editors also become aware of those issues. I believe we can address and resolve them in a constructive manner.Heja Helweda 20:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Negative, I do not consider myself objective enough to determine neutrality. The template requests review from a neutral and uninvolved party and should stay until such a person stumbles upon. -- Cat 20:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Do you know any neutral editor who is willing to help?Heja Helweda 20:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well If I asked people I knew, there is a risk that they would lean toward my views as likely they would ask me for input. I want the review(s) to be impartial. -- Cat 21:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Do you know any neutral editor who is willing to help?Heja Helweda 20:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
armenian genocide
hi there. I know that this article has caused serious headache and problem to you in the past. Fadix who was the main trouble maker there left wiki for good. maybe now you can consider coming back and helping us for the sake of Neutrality. see u.neurobio 11:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- Greetings. The reason I am not very active on that particular article was not Fadix (I am not intimidated by incivility and other nonsense). Until 23:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC), I intend to stay away from that article as per Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek
- I am not very knowlegable on the issue. But articles pathetic shape is so apperant, it does not require knowledge (there was a propoganda posters at a point).
- What I might recomend is arbitration to resolve the current nonsense going on mostly on the talk page.
- -- Cat 12:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
July
Help
Hi, I'm T-man, and I need some help from you to publically identify a stalker. Basically this is my case so far. I'm trying to gather more evidence in my talk page, but other administrators are having trouble to see how DA is a wikistalker. Since you already experienced it, I hoped you could help me.
- "User:Dyslexic agnostic appears unable to assume good faith with regards User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow, and appears to have formed himself into a one man T-Man correction squad, note . I'm also concerned by the comments expressed in this diff, , which indicate some level of keeping an eye on T-Man. User:T-man, the Wise Scarecrow seems incapable of keeping his temper with regards Dyslexic agnostic". -Steve Block ( Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Evidence ).
- Simply put; they show signs of being able to work usefully, but need to be kept apart. Mozzerati 20:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC) -Mozzerati Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Evidence#Evidence by mozzerati
- He has come to believe that T-Man's contributions are without merit, and has not been shy in saying so. Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Dyslexic Agnostic/Evidence#Evidence presented by Josiah Rowe
Previous cases:
- In the matter of Cool Cat (talk • contribs) (aka User:Coolcat) — a case decided on October 5, 2005 — the ArbCom voted that wikistalking was unacceptable in the following circumstances: It is not acceptable to stalk another editor who is editing in good faith. (Note that everyone is expected to assume good faith in the absence of definite evidence to the contrary.) Once an editor has given reason to suspect bad faith, monitoring is appropriate, but constantly nit-picking is always a violation of required courtesy. There are hundreds of administrators available to monitor problem users...Following an editor to another article to continue disruption (also known as wikistalking)'. The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor.
- In the matter of Skyring — a separate case decided August 12, 2005 — a user was found by the Arbitration Committee to have committed "wikistalking". The committee voted 5-0 that:
The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor. This is distinct from following a contributor in order to clear repeated errors.
On 13 June User:Skyring followed User:Jtdirl, editing a large set of articles that had recently been edited by Jtdirl (see contributions for 13 June). While it is not possible to fully assess intent, this action, and some of the edit summaries used, seem designed to provoke: "enfeebled minds", "Some professional standards, please!", "A common pattern for this editor to produce poor English", "Low quality of Irish editor"
--T-man, the wise 06:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Declaring somene a stalker is one of the most time consuming tasks. What I recomend is...
- ...to stay away from contraversial articles, at least until the arbitration case is over;
- ...not to argue with your stalker on every article, allow him to simply revert you;
- ...not to revert war no matter how tempting it is, you can revert after arbitration case is over;
- ...to reorganise evidence on the arbitration page (see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick/Evidence for an example).
- The evidence you are looking for is showing cases that user has been folowing you around on unrelated topics. If you had stalked him back (as he claims), this will complicate matters.
- -- Cat 09:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I do not know who created the flag of quatar, but you should know all goverments flags are pd as per various international treaties etc. -- Cat 14:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I would have thought so but based on {{flagimage}} and the discussion at Template_talk:Flagimage#Copyright_redux it looks like the assumption of PD may be incorrect. However, it looks like almost all the flag images are now in this mystery status so it seems to make sense to just leave it alone until the issue is clarified/settled. Sorry for the bother! -SCEhardT 00:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. OK. I probably renamed an exiting image. If there is a better one in commons you are welcome to delete it.
- As per international treties (such as the geniva convention and several others) flags are required to be in the PD for at least the purpose of combattant identification.
- Oh it wasnt a bother. BTW, please do not respond in archives in the future (I am not trying to be picky). I noticed your post only because of a coincidence. Use talk page instead :)
- -- Cat 01:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I would have thought so but based on {{flagimage}} and the discussion at Template_talk:Flagimage#Copyright_redux it looks like the assumption of PD may be incorrect. However, it looks like almost all the flag images are now in this mystery status so it seems to make sense to just leave it alone until the issue is clarified/settled. Sorry for the bother! -SCEhardT 00:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
wikiproject
I want to start a wikiproject to help identify wikistalker. I wouldn't bring up the Dyslexic Agnostic case until the project is defined.
Would you like to lead it?
On top of my mind I would say the project would focus on:
- define objetives
- define what's a wikistalker
- define what's a wikistalkee
- set the what kind of evidence is needed to identify a wikistalker definitively
- set the what kind of evidence is needed to identify bad faith
- define how to enforce punishmet or parole
- Identify wikistalkers and wikistalkees
- Arbitrate cases.
- Store previous cases as reference
I'd be as active as posible, but I recognize such project would be kind of out of my league, so I'd say the attention of major administrators (like Jimbo Whales, victim of stalking himself) would be key to this project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by T-man, the Wise Scarecrow (talk • contribs)
- WP:STALK takes care almost all of that, rest is done in WP:Arbcom. A wikiproject supposed to help us write articles or work on well defined problems. It is posible to list all stalking related ossue on the page explaining stalking.
- You might want to bring up a request for an expanding of the WP:HA page.
- -- Cat 04:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
An odd edit
See here. :) -Zero 08:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting. But why are you posing as a different editor? -- Cat 12:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Its not a viel. This is my real name. I've experienced quite a bit on wikipedia, I believe and I felt it okay to begin using my legitimate title. I also tired of editors calling me "megaman". You may still continue to call me by Zero if you feel it necessary. I won't mind. -Randall Brackett 12:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I'll go with the wind then.
- Randall, in that case you sould login as megaman zero and post something on your megaman zero username and talkpage pointing to your current username. You should have one userpage and usertalk page so as to avoid confusion and impostoration suspicion. :)
- -- Cat 12:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't work that way anymore. I requested Angela to move my account, contributions and related data over to my current username. She and I also avoided this by execution of redirecting all relevant talk and user pages to this and I moved all my subpages yesterday. If people are suspicious, they can merely ask. I need only to tell them this.
- Its not a viel. This is my real name. I've experienced quite a bit on wikipedia, I believe and I felt it okay to begin using my legitimate title. I also tired of editors calling me "megaman". You may still continue to call me by Zero if you feel it necessary. I won't mind. -Randall Brackett 12:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Its not as if I've become a different editor, if not by username, many editors should surmize regonition by simple observatin of my communication and writing style. -Randall Brackett 13:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment (sorta)
I think that in order to stop the critisism you should be more open, concidering you are pretending to know everything. Also it is my understanding that only criminals have to hide thier idenity, so your either a criminal or you are to scared to be yourself and stand behind what you belive no matter what the risk may be. you should be ashamed of yourself letting your fear of persecution hide your identity. So if you whant to judge prepare to be judged and rediculed in the same manner that you are disrepecting peoples heritage and ancestry,and lastly who asked you to take up this project anyway obviously nobody if you are hiding your identity. Be a man what are you scared of show us what an incredible character you are. ABUCHABNASEER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.240.4.246 (talk • contribs)
- Lack of criticism is lack of progress. I welcome criticism as long as there is a constructive aspect to it. What you suggest is not compatible with wikipedias NPOV policy. I was hired by Starfleet.
- I am not certain what you are refering to with the accusations you are directing at me, in any case they are a breach of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA.
- -- Cat 12:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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Moby Dick
I must admit I hadn't noticed that batch of edvidence previously. This editor's abuse has become so obsessive he's been disruptive over at commons..? -Randall Brackett 18:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- It certainly appears that way. Though so far he only has 3 edis on commons which isnt exactly disruptive. Also En.wiki rules dont apply to commons. So there are a number of loop-holes in policy. -- Cat 18:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- You'll not be surprised to discover I happen to look upon this with a sufficient measure of disgust. This kind of behavior should never be tolerated in wiki society and I'm complacent to discover the proposed decision is coming to some very reasonable remedies on the issue. It would be sheer idiocy to permit this editor to run loose about the wiki. -Randall Brackett 18:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- His is one vote, in the aftermath I got two support votes and a person identifying moby dick as a stalker. Davenbelle opposing me recieveing a barnstar was a turning point in the previous rfar. I think for this case his edit only strengthens our argument. -- Cat 19:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- You'll not be surprised to discover I happen to look upon this with a sufficient measure of disgust. This kind of behavior should never be tolerated in wiki society and I'm complacent to discover the proposed decision is coming to some very reasonable remedies on the issue. It would be sheer idiocy to permit this editor to run loose about the wiki. -Randall Brackett 18:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
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Quote comment
just a question. the quote "You've persecuted us for generations... And now you beg us to aid you? We will do what we must... But we do it for Aiur, not you!". is it from a Ursula Leguen book or am I mistaken.neurobio 00:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- It is from Zeratul of Starcraft. :) -- Cat 00:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- oh yea now I remember. that ghostly character.:)neurobio 00:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Dark Templar... :) -- Cat 00:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- can you notifiy me when you want something deleted.neurobio 00:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- oh yea now I remember. that ghostly character.:)neurobio 00:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages awards committee
Check out my comments here, Misplaced Pages awards committee. Thanks! --evrik 17:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Request
Can you keep an eye on ? Karl Meier is essentially attempting to delete the article through directing it to the PKK article. 24.211.192.250 10:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
On Air
I'm stuck without my normal computer for a while and thus won't be able to work on the articles for some time. ATM, I'm only able to be on this Mac (I normally use a PC) briefly and it's too bothersome to try and do articles on it. --SeizureDog 18:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
please Mr. Post Man
thank you for reviving my summary. I thought it made sense, apparently that other guy didn't. I put effort into it, thanks again for not letting it go to waste. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Verde830 (talk • contribs)
- Well to be fair, the episodes title as well as the episode itself was quite wierd. Narutos filler episodes are borderlining nonsense lately :(. The heart symbol etc probably implied it was some sort of a prank which of course wasnt the case.
- -- Cat 21:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clean up - much better :-) I know nothing at all about the topic and could not have done it myself.--A Y Arktos\ 19:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
arbcom
Mabe it will help to know that Karl Meier was revert waring in armenian genocide article too. he came out of no where started to change titles of article (opposition to denial, obvious POV). I have warned him 3 times (the last one was harsh) saying that there is consensus on that and he must comment in talk page if he wants change. it did not help.neurobio 02:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- You can cite the revert waring on the Arbcom evidence page (actualy I might for you). -- Cat 12:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- please do it then. I dont want to get involved in arbcom my self.neurobio 12:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- I did, citing evidence is not involvement. -- Cat 12:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- please do it then. I dont want to get involved in arbcom my self.neurobio 12:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Turkey
RogerMooreArm/Lifer00 is back - This time as User:Houlihan1. Is there any sort of action we can take against this guy ? P.S. Can you keep a close eye on the article? --Kilhan 04:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Started a long term case, see Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/RogerMooreArm -- Cat 13:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks a heap! Its best to keep the article semi-protected in case he/she shows up again. Oh, and can you add a comment here when you've got time ? --Kilhan 22:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh oh, RogerMooreArm isnt a new user anymore, and now he/she's able to edit the semi-protected article--Kilhan 04:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
FireFox warning
Well I'll be a thing that does stuff, I thought he was talking about my comments on the lost dispute, . I guess I learn something new everyday. -- Ned Scott 11:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- You should be civil at all times avoiding personal remarks. I am glad the issue has been cleared. -- Cat 12:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Gustav Leonhardt is a highly acclaimed Dutch harpsichordist
It's not a personal attack just because you addressed me by name. Also, what you said isn't untrue, except I wouldn't call it complaining, since that's just rude. Rather, it's called discussion. Feel free to change it back to my name, I won't go screaming "NPA!", since that's just silly. -- Ned Scott 09:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have never met or heard of a Gustav Leonhardt, nor do I see a relevance.
- I try to avid personal reverances unless it is absolutely necesary (such as in arbitration cases or ANB/I posts). This is something not covered in policy, just my personal preference. Personal referances often make people act over defensively as it is apperant in this very discussion.
- Declaring someting "going too far" is complaining, more so 5 days after its creation.
- I also am curious on why are you going through my individual diffs. You noticed and responded to that particular diff 10 minutes after the change. Just how frequently are you loading my diffs?
- -- Cat 09:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- There's no relevance to Gustav at all, but he's sure one hell of a harpsichordist.
- Do you think I am stalking you? Do you think I am watching your edits, waiting for the chance to make your life miserable? You have nothing to fear, I'm not going to follow you around Misplaced Pages. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to avoid you on articles that I have a legitimate interest in editing and contributing to, such as the Air articles. I do not edit, suggest, list for AfD, or anything like that just to cause you grief. -- Ned Scott 09:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- Then please lets stay on topic.
- For the record, I haven't accused you of stalking and cannot understand the reason of your deffensive stance. If I felt that you were stalking me, we would not be talking. I however am still curious on how did you notice and prepare a response to a change just after ten minutes. I can't think of a way aside from loading individual diffs or reloading the afd page every 10 minues and reading it carefull enogh to notice such a change.
- Since you are interested air articles, why not help out aside from participating in discussion. How about expanding the character articles?
- P.S. feel free to post your response on my talk page if you want a more prompt response. Keeping the thread on both talk pages while not required is common practice.
- -- Cat 11:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Free licensed manga covers.
guillom on irc told me to contact you about this issue. I am trying to get manga, anime dvd covers etc to be relased with free license so they can be used on all wikipedias. To do this I need to get the manga creator and/or company to release images with a free license.
I was wondering if there is any example of manga/anime being released with a free license. The prospect should be appealing to the creators since this will be free advertisement for them.
P.S: Please respond on my en.talk page so that I can respond back in a prompt manner. :)
-- Cat 12:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- meow
- Unfortunatly, I've never seen an example of "free licence" manga/DVD cover yet.
- I think company will be quite afraid of doing that because, since it's freely reusable, it also be coucurrents company can also use them.
- Darkoneko 11:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am exploring the posibilities of aquiring free images from various organisations as well as various others from a number of different channels. For instance, my Turkish Millitary contact was very interested in such a deal but there is currently a discussion on weather or not to allow images to be altered.
- I'd like to explore the posibilities with japanese companies and organisations in a simmilar manner but I do not have the language skills. I want to start with manga and anime. I feel companies would be more than willing to sacrifice one or two low-resolution images.
- m:ESA images were not orriginaly avalible with a free license. With discussion and debate, they became freely avalible.
- -- Cat 12:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Moby Dick up to his old tricks
See this.
I acted in good faith upon my removal of the spoiler tags and I feel that they weren't at all apropriate since we didn't really elaborate on the plot points in our cooperation on the articles. I won't revert again if you replce it but I beleive its quite obvious this editor reverted clearly to take advantage of the slight disagreement we had. I think its also evidence he has engaged in stakery again.
I'm sorry if I offended you when I removed them like this. I'll attempt more consideration next time and post on the talkpage. -Randall Brackett 21:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am not offended but its genneraly better practice to wait for the discussion (at the talk page of the spoiler thing) to complete.
- As for character articles, I do not really mind the removal of the tags... I guess with that reasoning it is only logical. I am also not certain if the tag is necesary in any article; you'd expect to see a plot summary in a plot section, a warning to that end is really redundent. Furthermore, our friendship is more important than the tags.
- As for Moby Dick, I am sure arbcom would love to see this new evidence. I would however ask you not to revert war with him so as to evade unnecesary arbcom restrictions. Sometimes retreat is the better side of valor, especialy when dealing with stalkers.
- -- Cat 17:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Imposter?
Just blocked User:Cool_Cat@81.213.136.114 which seemed an odd name to choose, I assume it's not you. --pgk 19:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Nah, just an idiot. Block at will if you havent already. :) Thanks for the headsup -- Cat 16:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Ah, finally its done. Someone showed up again the other day. Could possibly be him.--Kilhan 22:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Naruto OVA merge
Hi! I left a reply to your comment on my talk page. Thanks! -- Byakuren 16:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- As the page stands right, I don't think there's enough material to warrant a whole article for each OVA. I suspect most people who visit one of the OVA's articles will eventually end up visiting the pages for all three, so having all these together is an added convience. But convenience factor aside, I fear the articles will just be tagged for merger again. (I saw them before, and I assure you, they were painfully short.) As a sensible compromise I suggest two things:
- Starting a discussion on the article's talk page about the possibility of separating the articles.
- If it is decided that multiple pages are desireable, rather than create the incomplete stub-length pages and gradually fill them up, I suggest beefing up the article (with the extra paragraph on production information and other such info) in the existing page, and once it is ready to stand on its own, then do the move.
- What do you think? Let me know and I'll start the discussion section. -- Byakuren 02:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- While I do not object to a discussion idea, I'd prefer to come up with a concensus between you and me. My comments were for the long term future of the page(s). I just want Naruto ova page(s) to have the same quality as the OMG counterparts with infoboxes and etc.
- I have not ever seen a single Naruto OVA episode so I am more than disqualified to contribute to the article(s) aside from minor tweaks such as renaming.
- -- Cat 14:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tactics of Kurdistan Workers Party
There appears to be a problem with the article. The afd you closed isnt observed. There is a nasty revert war going on the article. -- Cat 16:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, could you tell me how my AfD closure isn't obesrved? It looks like an edit war going on, but my closure was "No consensus", which means the article should be kept for now. From what I see, it still is. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Let me elaborate. The result of the afd was not a "merge". Currently article is been reverted into a #redirect and hence beeing effectivly blanked/deleted.
- Furthermore in my view Kurdistan Workers Party as is already exeeds 32kb limit by far hence there is no room for a merger.
- -- Cat 19:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- From an AfD point of view, that's fine. Not only is "no consensus" a weak result (meaning that the article can be quickly re-AfDed if necessary), but ultimately, an AfD really only has two real results: Delete and Don't delete: Delete includes BJAODN and Transwiki; Don't delete includes Keep, No consensus, Merge, Redirect, and almost any result that preserves the article history in a form that non-admins can view. In other words, whether the article is kept, merged, or redirected is decided through normal editorial actions and does not require admin actions or AfD. Normal editorial actions would be through the talk page and other forms of consensus. Whatever is happening in the article, I'm afraid it's outside my jurisdiction or enforcement as an admin who closed the original AfD. --Deathphoenix ʕ 19:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I see... Thanks anyways. -- Cat 00:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- From an AfD point of view, that's fine. Not only is "no consensus" a weak result (meaning that the article can be quickly re-AfDed if necessary), but ultimately, an AfD really only has two real results: Delete and Don't delete: Delete includes BJAODN and Transwiki; Don't delete includes Keep, No consensus, Merge, Redirect, and almost any result that preserves the article history in a form that non-admins can view. In other words, whether the article is kept, merged, or redirected is decided through normal editorial actions and does not require admin actions or AfD. Normal editorial actions would be through the talk page and other forms of consensus. Whatever is happening in the article, I'm afraid it's outside my jurisdiction or enforcement as an admin who closed the original AfD. --Deathphoenix ʕ 19:40, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
From L33th4x0r
Hi:
I've been in hiding for a long time cuz the government is out to get me...but anyways, the reason I linked to your page was because your page had so many userboxes and I would like to make a note to myself to look to your page as a template for my page (which as you can see are crammed full of userboxes). I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove user boxes.
Peace out.
L33th4x0r 19:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am glad you liked it. Though, I would reccomend the more current version. :) -- Cat 00:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi:
- But the current one doesn't have as many userboxes. :-(
- I wonder if they still have the G.O.P. userbox.
- L33th4x0r 00:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- It actually has more userboxes. Notice a link next to "Click to show other userboxes".
- What is a G.O.P. userbox?
- -- Cat 00:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi:
- I see...cool.
- G.O.P. = Grand Old Party = Republican Party.
- L33th4x0r 00:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- I think political/religious userboxes are not welcome on wikipedia as per somewhat recent policy. -- Cat 00:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi:
- Yeah, but political userbox can still be found in user spaces.
- IMHO the political userboxes are more "interesting". :-)
- L33th4x0r 04:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I wasn't a participant of the userbox/politics debate. I might have made a comment or two. I am not an admin and even if I were an admin this is an area I wouldn't care about. There simply are admin tasks at higher priority IMHO. All I am saying is people might complain in the future.
- -- Cat 13:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Konichiwa:
- I checked out your fold-out userbox frame and it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cool!
- How did you do that??? With the collapsible in-line frame and all?
- It seems that you also have a political userbox:
- "all dicks should be circumcised" with a picture of Cheney beside it, obviously you're expressing political message there, no?
- L33th4x0r 04:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- The code to achieve that is in User:Cool Cat/Userboxes. Feel free to copy that to User:L33th4x0r/Userboxes or something.
- Thank you soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much, definitely very helpful. However, the code in your User:Cool Cat/Userboxes space isn't showing any userboxes. L33th4x0r 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have nothing for or against Cheney (hey, he is not my leader). It is just that his name is "Dick" and we have a thing on meta called m:dick. I just needed a picture w/o copyright problems... I also didn't want to use an actual dick picture either.
- -- Cat 12:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hehehe...that's funny, you can actually use the penis pictures they have on the penis page, those are GPLed.
- Yea but people would complain about it. -- Cat 14:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hehehe...that's funny, you can actually use the penis pictures they have on the penis page, those are GPLed.
- P.S. Is it posible for you not to start a new section when posting something on my talk page? :)
- -- Cat 12:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry, I just keep hitting that "add a new post" link on your page without knowing that you don't like people opening new sections. L33th4x0r 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I like new sections when people start the conversation. I can see how that link may lead to confusion. I'll modify the text. -- Cat 14:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry, I just keep hitting that "add a new post" link on your page without knowing that you don't like people opening new sections. L33th4x0r 20:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- The code to achieve that is in User:Cool Cat/Userboxes. Feel free to copy that to User:L33th4x0r/Userboxes or something.
- I think political/religious userboxes are not welcome on wikipedia as per somewhat recent policy. -- Cat 00:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Not sure!
Hi Cool Cat, I 've tried to translate cool cat into Arabic and I am working on it. I'm not sure about you going to Iran or Saudi Arabia because both countries are Islamic fundmentalist and I heard that they will not allow non-Muslim froeigners into thier countries, especially if you are either a Jew or form the State of Israel. --Abdullah Geelah 21:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hello there, any attempt in translation is better than none. SO I welcome the attempt weather or not it suceeds. :)
- I just feel countries I marked as "not sure to go" will ever be "safe" in the near future.
- -- Cat 00:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Cool Cat, I've translated your name to Somali as well, you asked me to put the Arabic Translation in the Latin Script but to be honest with it is REALLY difficult. Nice to see you around! P.S. Can you put the Thankyou Sunflower that you awarded me on my userpage in a bigger size, and then write a caption for why you gave it me! Please Abdullah Geelah 13:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I've translated your name in Pig Latin as well!! Just letting you know! Abdullah Geelah 13:52, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- When people where translating your name, how did inform them to translate your name? because i want people to translate my name as well you can see it here, can you translate my name in what ever language you speak apart from the ones on that page. Abdullah Geelah 15:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I didn't inform anyone in any way. People just stumbled upon the page or it is brought up by someone reading my userpage on an unrelated discussion (such as the list of anime). Admitively, I had pursued the japanese translation but I think that was the only exception.
- I'd translate it to Turkish, but not certain how to translate a name to a different language. :)
- -- Cat 15:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- So you're TURKISH AFTER ALL THEN!!!! Abdullah Geelah 16:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am only tr-3 and no I do not acknowlege being from any nationality. One doesn't have to be japanese in order to know/learn japanese.
- BTW you may want to add a </font> at the end of your sig as it is currently broken I believe. :)
- -- Cat 16:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- So you're TURKISH AFTER ALL THEN!!!! Abdullah Geelah 16:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- When people where translating your name, how did inform them to translate your name? because i want people to translate my name as well you can see it here, can you translate my name in what ever language you speak apart from the ones on that page. Abdullah Geelah 15:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Do you know the Wikithank you awarded me can you put it on my userpage with the caption please Abdullah Geelah 17:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Kiddy grade Peer review
First things first. The Ah! My Goddess page is almost defiantly the BEST anime/manga page on Misplaced Pages, and through a brief trawl of its history, you appear to be the person who made this so. I would be most grateful if you could read the Kiddy Grade article and its subsequent pages a take part in a peer review of the pages? I would be most thankful. The peer review page is here to provide feedback, and if you are not familiar with peer reviews, though as the AMG page was I doubt it, the guidelines are here.
Thank you!!!
--Crampy20 21:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind words. There actually is a better anime page out there for Excel Saga. I'll work on a "peer review" as soon as possible. -- Cat 00:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
G20 Countries Map
I was wondering if you would be able to update it. On the G20 developing nations talk page, there have been some discussion of some discrepancies between the map and know G20 countries, even considering the fluncuation in member countries. --chemica 22:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'll gladly assist. I have updated the map accordingly and uploaded it to commons. The second en.wiki counterpart is deleted it will start working. You may visit commons:Image:G20 countries (DN).png to view it.
- I can create/update such images with pleasure, feel free to drop me a message anytime.
- -- Cat 23:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- Great job! Thanks for the help. --chemica 01:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Your sig/I just saved a ton of characters on Geico!
- I noticed it is
- ] <i><sub>]</sub></i>
- and was wondering if you'd modify it to
- ] <sub>'']''</sub>
- It would really do the same thing. I just have this thing against html tags on wiki. :P
- -- Cat 15:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Y'know, I thought I fixed that months ago. Seems like somebody else commented on the same thing, once upon a time...thanks for the catch! I've actually shortened it even more drastically... what do you think? -- nae'blis 15:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I shortened it even further.. course, it looks funny on my own talk page now, so you can see it here. What do you think? Thanks for the catch about the HTML though, I thought I'd fixed that months ago... -- nae'blis 15:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Nice, I think that even beats my sigs length as far as total code length goes. :) -- Cat 15:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Aha, looks like I fixed the <i> part on another wiki, and forgot to do so here. *rolls eyes* -- nae'blis 18:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
anime
Inquiry, by any means are you interested in anime related articles? Or to be more spesific Oh My Goddess!? -- Cat 15:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually no, most of my edits are to the categories and types of articles on my user page: (neo)paganism, sociology, criminal justice, The Wheel of Time series (which is my biggest fandom, but now has its own wiki), and whatever else I happen to come across. -- nae'blis 18:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wow, those are tough topics... I hope you do not have to deal with constant flame wars etc.
- Well, I am not a big fan of other wikis as I believe wikipedia should be the prime source of info. But thats just my view. After a quick review, I acualy like the way that series is covered on wikipedia. I think I'll use something like that for the Oh My Goddess! related articles.
- -- Cat 14:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Belldandy
We need the belldandy infobox expanded to include both Anime series 1 and Anime series 2 shots. I have tried but failed. -Dynamo_ace Talk
- Sure thing, though I feel it is unnecessary to treat the two "series" as separate entities. -- Cat 14:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Its just the engine was upgraded in season 2, that was all. -Dynamo_ace Talk
- Well, I neither object nor support the issue either way, but have modified the infobox to have an "image8". -- Cat 14:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, do you want to do the edit or me? -Dynamo_ace Talk
- You are welcome to do it, I do not mind it either way. -- Cat 15:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem to be working, when i add Image8 it duplicates the image7. -Dynamo_ace Talk
- Try now. -- Cat 16:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's working! Thanks a lot! -Dynamo_ace Talk
- Try now. -- Cat 16:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem to be working, when i add Image8 it duplicates the image7. -Dynamo_ace Talk
- You are welcome to do it, I do not mind it either way. -- Cat 15:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks, do you want to do the edit or me? -Dynamo_ace Talk
- Well, I neither object nor support the issue either way, but have modified the infobox to have an "image8". -- Cat 14:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Its just the engine was upgraded in season 2, that was all. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (fiction)
I think the discussion is turning into a flamewar and I am inclinded to bail out yet again.
I would like some sort of advice from a seasoned wikipedian (you) because I am getting tired of these constant flamewars.
It appears to me some of the participants there are more interested in establishing standards in a more burocratic manner. The entier nonsense at Talk:List of Air episodes and its sub page is visible fir instance.
I just want to be left alone when editing articles unless the person is interested in "expanding" or improving rather than barraging in quoting random policies and guidelines... -- Cat 19:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, in fairness, there's a balance somewhere between immediatism and eventualism (or deletionism and inclusionism, or exclusionism and inclusionism). Neither side is wrong, they're just of differing views. Misplaced Pages on a whole is a combination of policies, ideals, guidelines, ideas, and creativity that's staggering in its depth: if you're getting frustrated, I'd suggest maybe to step back out of the project space and go back to working on articles and not worry so much about the behind the scenes. I don't think anything much is going to change with the notability (fiction) requirements... much of what we do is talk and discussion, rather than debate and argue, thankfully. -- nae'blis 19:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes but some of the people discussing that are giving me a hard time outside of project-space such as getting articles deleted, mumbling incohirently etc... while not contributiong at all to the topic.
- I especially need advice on how to deal with nonsense visible at the hsotry of List of Air episodes...
- -- Cat 20:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not ignoring you, just thinking about how to best approach answering (also, it's Friday and I'm trying to get stuff wrapped up here at the office). I'll respond sometime this weekend, most likely; there's a lot more behind the scenes here than I had previously realized, and people on both sides of the discussion are acting in disappointing fashion. Keep your chin up, and keep up the article edits! -- nae'blis 20:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll wait. :) I appriciate any assistance as I desperately need it.
- I understand as a fellow seasoned editor that it should be I desclating the issue but all my attempts so far has been most unsuccesfull.
- -- Cat 22:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not ignoring you, just thinking about how to best approach answering (also, it's Friday and I'm trying to get stuff wrapped up here at the office). I'll respond sometime this weekend, most likely; there's a lot more behind the scenes here than I had previously realized, and people on both sides of the discussion are acting in disappointing fashion. Keep your chin up, and keep up the article edits! -- nae'blis 20:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Spellchecking archives
Hi, you/the bot had fixed typos at User talk:White Cat/Archive/2006/06. I was wondering if you could do the same for other such archives linked on that very page. :) -- Cat 23:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, Been through and AWB has edited most of them. Hope this is what you wanted! Reedy Boy 07:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I only see a correction at User talk:White Cat/Archive/2006/06, I was wondering if you could do the same to User talk:White Cat/Archive/2006/07, User talk:White Cat/Archive/2006/05 User talk:White Cat/Archive/2006/04 ... User talk:White Cat/Archive/2005/02? -- Cat 12:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
To CC:
Not that I care about what you do with your talk archives, but I'm involved in some of those discussions. If you wish to preserve those discussions, do so accurately, because I'm sure you'll bring them up again in the future. -- Ned Scott 08:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- My archives are my business (I dont even have to archive) and if you have problems in me getting people to improve spelling inside archives, you ought to check your priorities. This is yet again borderlining harrasment.
- Now how did you know that my archives were being edited?
- -- Cat 12:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Because my preferences are set to watch every page I edit, including your talk page, and someone posted a big ass message saying "I spell checked your talk archive". The tricky thing about talk page archives is you have to assume the archiver hasn't modified the conversation, but you seem to have no problem with this. I'll keep that in mind when ever you attempt to cite past discussion. -- Ned Scott 12:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Why is the spell checking of my talk archives of any concern to you?
- How frequently do you check your watchlist to be able to respond to my post on my talk page 6 minutes after my post?
- -- Cat 12:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Ned here. did you see the section below your request to reedy boy? It is really not done to edit another users signed comments. This is even worse than editing another users user page. Only with express permission - and in some highly exceptional cases - is such a thing acceptable. Please do not put out such requests when pertaining to other users' signed comments. — Zanaq (?) 12:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I want my archives to be spell checked. All posts to wikipedia licensed under the GFDL which allows the work to be edited. Obviosuly common sense dictates it is more than stupid to edit an archive changing someones comments in a manner that is changing the meaning of his/her comments. Spelling correction does not do this. Furthermore, the original version is avalible in archive history. -- Cat 13:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- It concerns me when it contains messages that I signed and responded to. And I check my watchlist a lot, because I edit articles and am involved on Misplaced Pages. How are these strange concepts to you? -- Ned Scott 12:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- It isn't strange at all, I am quite familiar with that concept. User:Davenbelle, User:Moby Dick and at a point User:Karl Meier (tho not anymore) had been editing just like that.
- You are edit conflicting me on my talk page... I got news for you my talk page and archives are NOT articles.
- -- Cat 13:11, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Ned here. did you see the section below your request to reedy boy? It is really not done to edit another users signed comments. This is even worse than editing another users user page. Only with express permission - and in some highly exceptional cases - is such a thing acceptable. Please do not put out such requests when pertaining to other users' signed comments. — Zanaq (?) 12:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Because my preferences are set to watch every page I edit, including your talk page, and someone posted a big ass message saying "I spell checked your talk archive". The tricky thing about talk page archives is you have to assume the archiver hasn't modified the conversation, but you seem to have no problem with this. I'll keep that in mind when ever you attempt to cite past discussion. -- Ned Scott 12:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, and that's why we don't want to waste time on vandalism on talk pages. If comments are edited continuously, that makes detection of fraudulent edits harder. Some people believe that even spelling errors reveal something about ones personality. Others believe that you should not even edit your own comments once they are responded to: in any case you should not change the meaning of your own comments. In such a case it should be
striked through, and such should be dated and noted. Just don't edit archives and don't edit other users signed comments. — Zanaq (?) 13:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)- I am sorry, but the point of archives is to preserve the discussion. Making it more readable/understandable with spelling corrections should only be welcomed. I explicity state that "positive edits are always welcome" on the header of my talk page.
- Since you do not even have comments in my talk archives (that I know of) I do not quite understand why you are even part of this...
- -- Cat 13:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, and that's why we don't want to waste time on vandalism on talk pages. If comments are edited continuously, that makes detection of fraudulent edits harder. Some people believe that even spelling errors reveal something about ones personality. Others believe that you should not even edit your own comments once they are responded to: in any case you should not change the meaning of your own comments. In such a case it should be
- I am a part of it because I noticed your comment about correcting the archives above my complaint to reedyboy. You even state specifically this is an Archive. Please do not edit on top of your archives. This is as it should be. Don't make a fuss, and just don't do it, and especially not in other people's signed comments. Btw. I too have set the option of watching every page I edit and I have the nasty habit of involving myself with almost everything that is of (semi-)interest to me. Good luck. — Zanaq (?) 13:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Stop with the bullshit stalker accusations. -- Ned Scott 13:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- A thought, in your view what constitutes as stalking... -- Cat 13:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
- Considering our frequent discussions, it should not be a surprise that I have your talk page on my watchlist. A quick look on your Office sub page shows articles that you are interested in editing. Notice that I don't come across you on other subjects, such as Star Trek (although I am a fan), Turkey, Nuclear related, NATO, etc. We do cross paths on anime articles, Misplaced Pages name space talk pages and guidelines about fiction, etc. We also both seem to like many of the same animes.
- I'm sorry for my knee-jerk reaction and saying "bullshit stalker accusations", but it just boggles my mind that you think I'm stalking you.
- -- Ned Scott 01:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- That doesn't answer my question, in your view what constitutes as stalking? -- Cat 16:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- WP:STALK gives some example definitions of Wikistalking: "In both cases below, the action of "following someone around" was not the only offense, but rather compounded the harm that the stalker was causing to the project.", "The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor. This is distinct from following a contributor in order to clear repeated errors.", "It is not acceptable to stalk another editor who is editing in good faith. (Note that everyone is expected to assume good faith in the absence of definite evidence to the contrary.) Once an editor has given reason to suspect bad faith, monitoring is appropriate, but constantly nit-picking is always a violation of required courtesy."
- I would agree with those definitions, but would say they might not be the only examples of it. "I know it when I see it". And to be specific, I do not believe I am wikistalking you, or that I've ever wikistalked anyone on Misplaced Pages. -- Ned Scott 16:20, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- "This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, nor does it mean reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason. The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful." -- Ned Scott 16:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting that I am being disruptive by requesting a spell check of my own talk archives? Is it disruptive for me to modify my own comment at the air recap afd? How about my commons rfa? What about me "going to far" on 2nd air episode? The air template revert war? Air list revert war? Fullmetal alchemist FLC? Planetesl episode list talk page issue? Naruto list issue? Should I keep listing?
- I'd like to note that davenbelle did not interfere with my anime edits (maybe only once to a degree). Davenbelle however had a "common interest" in all articles related to Kurds, Turkey, Armenians etc. So he wasn't stalking to excess, never the less he was stalking. Same goes for Moby Dick even though the rfar hasnt been closed yet.
- Davenbelle and others were mostly given a second chance (to cease stalking and mind their own afairs) and that is why the rfar wasn't too terribly harsh or so I was told by a few of the arbitrators. The second rfar on Moby Dick (likely Davenbelle sock) is significantly harsher than the one for davenbelle.
- -- Cat 19:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, I am suggesting that you feel I am being disruptive for noticing your changes to talk pages. I do not know those users, and I am not them. I could easily push a conflict with you on many more issues (and likely "win" with ease), but I don't because I'm not an asshole. I don't take cheap shots and I don't try to drive editors away from Misplaced Pages.
- When I posted a WikiProject banner on the list of Naruto episodes, and I saw a discussion that was of interest to me, I left a comment. I did not seek you out, but I'm not going to ignore an article just because you are also there. RfAs and FLCs are situations where it's encouraged for editors to be critical of subject at hand (the user for an RfA, and the article for the FLC). I am upfront with you, I do not hide my motivation, "sneak" around, or lie about our conflicts. My comments on the FMA FLC was before I even had a strong opinion of you. You can't get mad at me for nominating any article for deletion, it's apart of the deletion policy. And trying to list the Air thing as separate issues is just a lame attempt to make our conflict seem larger than it is.
- What's funny is in most of our disputes you eventually use the idea that I suggested, despite your passionate arguments against them. This leads me to believe that you do not take issue with what I suggest, but you take issue with me.
- And yes, according to WP:FICT, you had gone "to far" in creating that amount of stubs. It was out of line of an established consensus, both on Misplaced Pages as a whole and on the "local" article.
- Look at my nomination message for the recap episode "Delete, While there is still some debate on this TV show, whether or not to keep individual episode articles, I would think this one could safely be deleted. It's a recap episode with no new animation/footage/etc. In other words, there's nothing more to say about it, other than it was a recap episode, which can easily be done on List of Air episodes. Ned Scott 06:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)"
- I specifically did not nominate ANY other article for deletion, despite being encouraged to do so by other editors, because I knew the discussion was still going on. The recap episode seemed like a black and white issue that could easily be agreed upon by both sides. And you accuse me of doing this at the time that I did because you were on vacation. How on Earth would I even know you were on vacation?
- You somehow don't see all the edits we don't conflict on, the articles we don't both maintain. A logical non-stalking connection can easily be seen as to why we "run into each other", but you don't see that either. You've either become paranoid or you are trying to use this stalking accusation as a threat to drive me away from the articles we both edit. -- Ned Scott 21:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- "This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, nor does it mean reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason. The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful." -- Ned Scott 16:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- That doesn't answer my question, in your view what constitutes as stalking? -- Cat 16:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- Eeto, tenshi-sama... I could give you a lengthy response disputing every alogation and accusation you direct at me but there really is no point in that. Unlike you I am uninterested in flamewars. I do not start and "win" flamewars nor do I brag about them. -- Cat 16:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- This isn't a flamewar.. -- Ned Scott 22:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Eeto,
- Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board on the Internet.
- I was at least one occasion subject to a direct inslult. Some of the other comments can be interpreted as threats or insults...
- The word flaming is also sometimes used for long, intensive and heated discussions, even though insults do not occur.
- I'd call this a heated debate... Heck it occupies over half of my talk page and is sizably large even for my archives. So it even meets that second "criteria"...
- It takes two to flamewar hence why I am bailing out of it. Practice on someone else.
- -- Cat 14:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Eeto,
- This isn't a flamewar.. -- Ned Scott 22:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
feles frigida
No problem.--Josh Rocchio 21:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Template:South America
I am working on all slowly on this list: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Countries/Templates/Navboxes feel free to assist. :)
Meanwhile mind if I revert that template?
-- Cat 12:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- OMG =) Of course you can change the template, but please note that some pages, like Falkland Islands, use <div class="BoxMerge"> for its templates. IMO it's better to delete all those parameters from the articles before doing any changes, but again, proceed at your own will. =) Cheers. --Nkcs 12:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- What exactly does boxmerge do? I haven't seen it do anything :/ -- Cat 14:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- The idea's from the German Wiki. It literally "merges" the templates into an only box; the problem is that all of them must follow the same layout, or at least a very similar one. IMO it gives a nice impression of professionalism, but of course it's not really necessary. --Nkcs 23:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm... Looks redundent to me since they "merge" either way. :) -- Cat 01:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps. But take a look at the websites of, e.g., University of Western Australia. It's only for beauty's sake, but c'mon, doesn't look nice? =) Cheers. PS: I've added some translations on User:Cool Cat/In many languages.... You're welcome. =) --Nkcs 04:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ah! The working example!
- Yes that does look nicer. I am thinking of ways to incorporate that at a broader scale.
- -- Cat 05:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps. But take a look at the websites of, e.g., University of Western Australia. It's only for beauty's sake, but c'mon, doesn't look nice? =) Cheers. PS: I've added some translations on User:Cool Cat/In many languages.... You're welcome. =) --Nkcs 04:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm... Looks redundent to me since they "merge" either way. :) -- Cat 01:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- The idea's from the German Wiki. It literally "merges" the templates into an only box; the problem is that all of them must follow the same layout, or at least a very similar one. IMO it gives a nice impression of professionalism, but of course it's not really necessary. --Nkcs 23:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- What exactly does boxmerge do? I haven't seen it do anything :/ -- Cat 14:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
NATO vs WP map
I hope you didn't mind my editing your excellent map. I thought as well as the repetition of the Soviet Far East that the shape was awkward. --Guinnog 16:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm. I wanted to display that Russia/Warsaw Pact was right next to Alaska. I'd rather not sacrifice that. The "awkwardness is because of "Map projection" issues. Earth is not flat :P
- Furthermore I'd be happier if you modified the image and uploaded over the commons one rather than creating a duplicate.
- -- Cat 16:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- I take your point. But having the Soviet Far East in there twice was inaccurate. Maybe there is a better way we can do it, but I don't see how. Splitting the SU down the middle seems even more awkward.
- And what do you mean the Earth isn't flat? Since when? :)
- I'll upload it to the Commons once we have a solution we can botrh live with, good idea.
- --Guinnog 16:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- How about slicing the duplicate half from the end of the larger peice of warsaw pact? I'll do this on commons image. -- Cat 16:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Well, I won't fight you over it but this was what I meant by splitting the SU down the middle. Still seems awkward. --Guinnog 16:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am open to suggestions... I could slice it sooner (smaler chuck next to alaska) -- Cat 16:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, try that and see what it looks like. Another possibility might be to use a Polar projection, giving a circular map and avoiding the problem neatly. Would you be up for that? --Guinnog 16:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- I tried something new. I like the polar idea and yet opose it in a way. The polar projection distorts borders too much (especialy for countries like Turkey greece etc... I am not certain how much it distorts but if it doesnt look awkward like that, I am all in for that. -- Cat 16:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, try that and see what it looks like. Another possibility might be to use a Polar projection, giving a circular map and avoiding the problem neatly. Would you be up for that? --Guinnog 16:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- I am open to suggestions... I could slice it sooner (smaler chuck next to alaska) -- Cat 16:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Well, I won't fight you over it but this was what I meant by splitting the SU down the middle. Still seems awkward. --Guinnog 16:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- How about slicing the duplicate half from the end of the larger peice of warsaw pact? I'll do this on commons image. -- Cat 16:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
What about something like this? Image:NATO vs Warsaw (1949-1990)e.png I did it very quickly and I (or you) could do a 'nicer' version easily enough. --Guinnog 17:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- Thats fine, however I lack the resources to make it any better. So, yes a nicer version would work but you have to do it. :P -- Cat 18:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- OK, leave it with me. I'll message you when it's done. --Guinnog 19:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
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User:Cool Cat/In many languages...
You're welcome. Had to be done ;) --Emc² (CONTACT ME) 22:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Dummy edit as per silly sounding German laws... Dataming on Misplaced Pages? Come on!
I agree to the edit counter opt-in terms -- Cat 17:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Manga question
The time has come when I must seek your advice :) Do you think this manga author is at all notable? I'm interested in one of the series because it depicts the Battle of Svolder, which I'm working on. Haukur 15:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- There seems to be little about the series on the net. An excelent reason why a wikipedia coverage would be nice. I have a few questions for you.
- When did the series start?
- How many volumes/chapters did this series proceed?
- Is it still ongoing?
- Did the author of the manga create anything else?
- After answering those question I'll be able to give a more tastefull answer.
- -- Cat 15:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- I know very little about this and I don't have a good idea on where to find out more but I'll do my best. There is a very helpful book here if you have a Google account:
- The auhor is Azumi Ryo.
- She started publishing in 1986.
- Her first major work was Akai Tsurugi (The Scarlet Sword). According to that book by Gísli Pálsson, Akai Tsurugi was published in four volumes of about 200 pages each between 1986 and 1988 but this website indicates that it went on till 1993 with a total of 10 volumes, I'm sure that's more up to date.
- Judging from her webpage she is still active and has published several other series.
- Amazon.co.jp lists 35 items by her.
- I'm guessing this should be notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article. Do you agree? Would you be willing to help me write an article? Almost all the relevant sources are in Japanese, which I can't read at all and I've never written an article about a manga artist. Haukur 16:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Woha, I was expecting a 1, 2 volume series. A full 10 volume manga series is more than notable enough. Its age is probably why there is little about it on the net (which will make citing sources difficult)
- I really know nothing about the series. Furthermore I can't read kanji or any japanese font well enough to ne of help anyone. But, I'll gladly help you in any way I can, ranging from tweaks to templates. What kind of an assitance are you looking for?
- -- Cat 16:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and she is mentioned (あずみ椋) in the Japanese Misplaced Pages in the article about Der Ring des Nibelungen. Haukur 16:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry that I haven't kept this discussion tidy! I've now replied on my talk page. Haukur 16:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- No need to apologise, its adequately tidy. -- Cat 16:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Great, thank you! Could you maybe point me to a guideline on how to write articles like this? Is there a WikiProject? And once I've got a stub could you maybe read it over for me and see if I've misunderstood something? Haukur 16:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- There is the anime/manga wikiproject and articles like Excel Saga and Oh My Goddess!
- Generaly what is expected from manga/anime relatd articles is a brief plot summary, info about the notable characters, some sort of a backgound of the characters if applicable (such as if they have norse background), its place in culture and how it affected the industry. How popular it was (such as sale info or ratings (anime)) is also nice additional info. -- Cat
- Thanks for the help! I tried my best at Ryo Azumi. But I'm not even sure what title to use. Should the family name be first or last? Should the title use Ryō, Ryou or Ryo? I thought using the macrons was the standard but I also see some articles that don't. Haukur 22:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- Firstname lastname format is observed (family name comes after given name). If proper romaji is "Ryō" then it shall be that (I am no expert in romaji). However all other combinations should be redirects including his/her name in kanji.
- There is no real standard but you are whelmingly recomended to use this format.
- -- Cat 02:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help! I tried my best at Ryo Azumi. But I'm not even sure what title to use. Should the family name be first or last? Should the title use Ryō, Ryou or Ryo? I thought using the macrons was the standard but I also see some articles that don't. Haukur 22:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
- I know very little about this and I don't have a good idea on where to find out more but I'll do my best. There is a very helpful book here if you have a Google account:
Okay, I followed your advice and included the macron in the title. Now I'm going to make all of the following into redirects.
Thanks for the help! Haukur 08:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- One more question (I've never worked with Japanese names before). Which is more standard - to include a space between the two names or not to? Haukur 09:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- A space is preferable. Make it look like an english name basicaly, thats the informal standard. -- Cat 21:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the heads up. -- Cat 22:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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Hey, whats up with that? :) What is the problem with the TR interwiki link? -- Cat 08:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I was just about to message you :) If you take a look at the interwiki links on Denmark there are two Turkish links. The correct one is displayed under "T" but "Tr:Şablon:Dolaşım" has added itself to the top of the interwiki box. It is the same with the article on Germany, but I can't see it everywhere, so I presume it has to do with a recent edit, either here or on the Turkish Misplaced Pages. If you have any ideas of how to fix this one, I'd really appreciate the help. Regards. Valentinian 08:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm... <noinclude> is expected to prevent that. Originaly (before your edit it was outside of the <noinclude> </noinclude>. After your edit you probably was looking at the wikipedia chache. (templates can me a pain). So in the light of that/under that asumption. I'll try somehting... Hopefully it will all work, if it doesnt (and I might not necesarily see it) please do tell me. -- Cat 09:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, it looks fine now. I forgot to write it before, but I made the edit to the Turkish template (but you'd already guessed that one.) Thanks again. Valentinian 09:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
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if...if...if
Hi Cool Cat,
I have again a problem with those if-templates... I created http://nl.wikibooks.org/Sjabloon:Draaipagina2 on wikibooks-NL. At the end I would like it to be that I can create a template {Draaipagina2/Subject} with the code:
{{Draaipagina2|Naam=Subject
|1=...
|2=...
|3=...
|...
|n=...}}
Then you can use in the articles just {Draaipagina2/Subject}, and it will give the thing you can find at the buttom of b:nl:Rekenen/Optellen. You can scroll to the next page.
To make that possible, I have to tell the template that if N (one of the numbers) is not defined, it shouldn't show the row what starts with the first variable N. Do you know how I could do that? Thanks a lot! effeietsanders 11:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
switchcompares a single value against multiple others, returning a string if a match is found. The syntax is basically:
{{ #switch: ''<comparison value>''
| ''<value<sub>1</sub>>'' = ''<result<sub>1</sub>>''
| ''<value<sub>2</sub>>'' = ''<result<sub>2</sub>>''
| ''...''
| ''<value<sub>n</sub>>'' = ''<result<sub>n</sub>>''
| ''<default result>''
}}
- From meta:ParserFunctions
- I had no experience in something like that, but if I were to design it I would use switch. Should I try creating it? -- Cat 13:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please try, as I have not much of an idea what you talk about :P effeietsanders 15:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- In that case I'll tell you what I interpreted from your idea (I just want to be certain to evade misunderstandings)
- You want a template which has a table with a variable size? Or does the table has a fixed size? I am kinda confused about details actualy (though I am inclined to use switch structure).
- -- Cat 15:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Ehm, it's not about a table. The original template is at b:nl:template:Draaipagina. The template was used in combination with b:nl:template:Draaipagina/Subject, where "Subject" can be replaced by the subject. Then the template "Draaipagina/Subject" can be used in the chapters of the wikibook. The template:Draaipagina/Subject takes care that something like this is given:
- Please try, as I have not much of an idea what you talk about :P effeietsanders 15:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
<- Previous module * Subject * Nex module ->
See for instance b:nl:template:draaipagina and b:nl:template:draaipagina/Rekenen and b:nl:Rekenen/Aftrekken. With Template:Draaipagina2 I want to simplify the imput at Draaipagina2/Subject. I want to make it in such a way, that the imput can be as I discribed above. That way people who are not *very* good with templates can use it as well, and quicker. The only thing they have to do then is creating Template:Draaipagina2/Subject , define Naam=Subject and define the chapternames, 1 to N.
I hope I am more clear now. effeietsanders 15:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Starfleet rank article / Cool off will ya
Please don't restore that bad version of the page which had incorrect insignia, improper references, and false information. It seems the guy who added all that stuff that the Franz manual was God and disregarded all other sources, live action or otherwise. Restoring that page only posts bad information on Misplaced Pages. -Husnock 14:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- I understand gulf is stressful, but thats no excuse to revert-war on any article.
- I was removing those referances as you were reverting. See the toal change for yourself . None of that is inaproporate.
- -- Cat 14:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- You changes are fine, but the original editor sees back at, reverting to improper page versions citing a tech manual in favor of what was seen live action on the show. I think we are headed for a page protection of this keeps up. -Husnock 16:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
long time no talk
Sorry, I really dropped the ball on getting back to you. Hope life's been less stressful of late; mine's been sort of jet-fueled, but I figured if I didn't respond now, it'd be another two weeks...
Per our previous discussion, I said I'd try to give you some advice about how to handle disputes. The biggest thing I can think of is the old Fight Club mantra, "You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake." Misplaced Pages is about the collaborative effort of the many, not the shining brilliance of the one. Take a look at the history of Nupedia for how that other approach failed in spectacular ways. Misplaced Pages will manage just fine if you, or I, or Angela Beesley or even Jimbo Wales, at this point, were to disappear (though the latter would require an election, of course). It's become big enough and self-sustaining, on the whole.
Does it make mistakes? Sure. Any big, disorganized, labyrinthine project to build such a massive encyclopedia is bound to have its false starts, digressions like the userbox wars, and collateral damage like vandals getting pages screwed up or deleted. But it's a wiki. It's almost uniquely well-designed to overcome all of those problems. EVERY SINGLE EDIT to an article is recoverable somewhere, by someone, unless a developer actually goes into the database and deletes it, and that's just not done very often. Even if a page is deleted by consensus, there's deletion review. If a subject gains notability/verifiability later that they didn't have in the 1st/2nd/5th draft, they can have a page recreated, and the old page(s) can be recovered from deletion if there's something worth salvaging in there. It's easy to fix.
So what am I getting at? Slow down. Don't take everything personally, or feel like it's your "job" to "fix" things. We're doing this out of volunteer love for the project, or the subject material, or humanity, right? Volunteers can take breaks. They can step back and let someone else shovel for a while. The job still moves forward, even without you. If you're getting hot under the collar, go do something unrelated: sort some stubs, click random article and fix some grammar, or just log off and come back in a few hours/days. I've got faith that other editors can come to the right decision, even in my absence.
Which doesn't mean I don't spend way too much time and effort here, anyway, because I do make valuable contributions - and so do you! See you around... -- nae'blis 16:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- The issue isn't a content disagreement.
- I haven't been allowed to write articles for a year and a half now. It was at first Davenbelle then Moby Dick (arbcom case just closed), and finaly Ned Scott. I am seriously growing tired of dealing with such issues. In all fairness Ned's case isnt as severe as Davenbelle's.
- Furthermore, what you suggest does not explain this or especialy this. One of the links is not even related to this project (and that RfA itself has issues at the very least according to the bcrat closing it).
- -- Cat 18:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please understand that I am not intimately familiar with your edit history, but it seems to me that no one has "prohibited you from writing articles". You're on restriction from Turkey/Kurdish subjects until October, and I don't see any restrictions placed against you in the Moby Dick case. I know you and Ned Scott don't get along, but he can't prevent you from editing (I would suggest not responding/baiting each other as often as you two seem to do; I saw the whole spellchecking thing and it looked like a pissing contest on both sides). The bigger problem I'm seeing is that you get upset when people disagree with your way of doing things. I get the strong impression you used to be a big vandal fighter; what happened there? Maybe something less content/admin-driven, more article-based and less controversial, would help you "get away from it all". -- nae'blis 18:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Officialy I am not restricted from editing things even related to kurds and etc. Unofficialy Davenbelle/Moby Dick prohibited me from editing anything related to kurds, turks, armenians, etc etc and enforced it. My first arbitration case shaped the WP:HA policy on this kind of behavior. That was an unpleasant element that had haunted me until recently. I do not expect it to go away any time soon as the people spent all their wiki-experience in annoying me. That was ment to be a backgroudn info. :)
- I do not mind people disagreeing with me, I infact prefer other opinions. I have issues with people who disagree with me as a habit. Furthermore, I have no issues with Ned. I do not hate him or anything even with that nonsense I had to deal with... It's just that he irrtates me from time to time... though as of now the dispute has been dead for about a month.
- I did not leave vandal fighting by choice but thats a seperate dispute. Not in anyway pleasant. In a nutshell I wrote an IRC bot that detected vandalism on wikipedia and channel was renamed and got a new owner. That owner booted me off w/o bothering to tell me why to this date. I was going to write a new bot on the toolserv but I am putting that on hold untill certain issues with german privacy law are cleared (which is even a seperate legal dispute). Disputes are plentiful. :P
- I just wanted to share issues causing me stress. Perhaps you might have advice that would ease the pain. Running away from topics like plague doesnt seme to be working for me.
- -- Cat 23:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
- Aye, that's why I said "officially". There'd be no way for me to go back through all your edits, and those editing around you, to see the conditions that you say led to you being chased off of article editing.
- I wish I had something more clever to say; feel free to look me up if you have any further questions/stressors you'd like me to give my two cents in, I'll try to be a little quicker in the future... best of luck, CC. -- nae'blis 00:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
- Please understand that I am not intimately familiar with your edit history, but it seems to me that no one has "prohibited you from writing articles". You're on restriction from Turkey/Kurdish subjects until October, and I don't see any restrictions placed against you in the Moby Dick case. I know you and Ned Scott don't get along, but he can't prevent you from editing (I would suggest not responding/baiting each other as often as you two seem to do; I saw the whole spellchecking thing and it looked like a pissing contest on both sides). The bigger problem I'm seeing is that you get upset when people disagree with your way of doing things. I get the strong impression you used to be a big vandal fighter; what happened there? Maybe something less content/admin-driven, more article-based and less controversial, would help you "get away from it all". -- nae'blis 18:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Problems old friend?/Hehe
How are you holding up? :)
I noticed several reverts of User:D.Kurdistani and have encountered him creating a duplicate page (Nawroz). Whats up with this guy?
-- Cat 02:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hey man. :) I'm not sure, he/she seems to be a new user. And as we all know new users take awhile to grasp the concept of NPOV. I could use some help over at the Kurdistan article. He's raising the population of Kurds without citing any sources. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 02:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm yea well, there is a full time cleanup job after him like Image:Flag-of-Kurdistan.png -- Cat 03:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- What's wrong with the flag? It appears to be bigger than what we have now. —Khoikhoi 03:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, sizes are probably wrong (flags are a matter of pre sicion) and we have a better one in commons. Bigger is not necesarily better. Furthermore the svgs can be made to reflect any size. I can get you a 40000px kurdish flag. It just would not be usefull in any article... -- Cat 03:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I see your point. See his edit here - he changed 25-30 to 35~40! :p —Khoikhoi 03:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yea I know. :) I monitor (sorta) all articles related to kurds, I generaly choose not to react unless I feel its worth my time (kinda sick of pov pushers for a while). Being vigilant is prudent. -- Cat 04:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I guess I see what you're saying. The problem is I deal with so many POV-pushers I lose track after awhile. :) —Khoikhoi 04:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Its a delicate job isnt it? Not to mention stressfull and unrewarding (everyone hates you for trying). With moby dick gone I think I might offer a helping hand. I have my eye on Kurdish celebration of Newroz for quite some time now. It really should be merged IMHO. -- Cat 04:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it can be rewarding...it depends. As for the articles, yes, they should be merged, but the article is just too big to have all that stuff added into it. I don't really think it's that big of a deal right now, at leat we don't have Diyako disrupting everything. —Khoikhoi 05:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I believe the holiday is celebrated in an identical manner. Certain details on the Kurdish version is original research, weasle words, and etc. Most of the external links are unhelpfull and the poem can go to wikisource, where it belongs. The Main article has room for the kurdish stuff, no real reason to make the main article strictly about the iranian version IMHO. But yea no BIG issue but a merge would be nice at least for the holdiday part. -- Cat 06:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Those are good points. I'll check out the discussion at the AfD. —Khoikhoi 06:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I believe the holiday is celebrated in an identical manner. Certain details on the Kurdish version is original research, weasle words, and etc. Most of the external links are unhelpfull and the poem can go to wikisource, where it belongs. The Main article has room for the kurdish stuff, no real reason to make the main article strictly about the iranian version IMHO. But yea no BIG issue but a merge would be nice at least for the holdiday part. -- Cat 06:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, it can be rewarding...it depends. As for the articles, yes, they should be merged, but the article is just too big to have all that stuff added into it. I don't really think it's that big of a deal right now, at leat we don't have Diyako disrupting everything. —Khoikhoi 05:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Its a delicate job isnt it? Not to mention stressfull and unrewarding (everyone hates you for trying). With moby dick gone I think I might offer a helping hand. I have my eye on Kurdish celebration of Newroz for quite some time now. It really should be merged IMHO. -- Cat 04:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I guess I see what you're saying. The problem is I deal with so many POV-pushers I lose track after awhile. :) —Khoikhoi 04:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yea I know. :) I monitor (sorta) all articles related to kurds, I generaly choose not to react unless I feel its worth my time (kinda sick of pov pushers for a while). Being vigilant is prudent. -- Cat 04:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I see your point. See his edit here - he changed 25-30 to 35~40! :p —Khoikhoi 03:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, sizes are probably wrong (flags are a matter of pre sicion) and we have a better one in commons. Bigger is not necesarily better. Furthermore the svgs can be made to reflect any size. I can get you a 40000px kurdish flag. It just would not be usefull in any article... -- Cat 03:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I wouldnt expect any less from you. One addition tho, I think article exists mostly as a POV fork. I might be wrong on this but the political stuff (which has never to do with the holiday) bugs me a bit in the light of neutrality. What do you think? -- Cat 07:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I actually thought the political stuff was interesting. For exampmle, see this article about Purim in Hebron/al Khalīl in 2001. —Khoikhoi 23:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I am not disputing the political stuff. They just have nothing to do with the holiday and imply that kurds celebrate spring holiday by rioting which in my view and experience is not an acurate description. Yes riots have had occured in the past but they were not because of the annual spring holiday but instead happened on practicaly all kinds of social gatherings. The was a period of civil disprder when PKK had a greater influence.
- I do not see the relevance of linked articles to this spring holiday.
- -- Cat 08:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, politics can be a big part of Kurdish life. Their recent history shows that. Anways, the article being inaccurate isn't a reason to delete or merge it. I think a fix attempt would be better in this case. —Khoikhoi 23:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- There is already an over emphasis on kurdish politics on wikipedia (consider comparing the amount of text explaining the holiday and politics on the Newroz article). Articles that are strictly to explain stuff like kurdish culture dont need politics. Everything about the kurds seems to come with a contravercy explaining why kurds are so opressed or why kurds are so evil or both (all pov forks). The thing I am trying to point out is that I think its very difficult to maintain even the most basic level of neutrality when all articles are going to be peppered with politics.
- Remove politics and you are left with the actual holiday explaining kurdish culture (the point of the article) which can be merged. Its the same holiday. Its not all that different and its not all that long.
- Why is merge inapprorate for that?
- -- Cat 12:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure anymore, but judging from the AfD, I don't think either is going to happen. —Khoikhoi 22:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, we will never have any progress with kurd related articles till eternity. So I might as well leave it all to your capable hands. I tried helping by fixing something thats not remotely contraverisal (just a holiday) and it turns out like this... -- Cat 23:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- :( Perhaps the correct thing to do the next time is not nominate it for deletion, but leave a message on the talk page. Unfortunately things can get controversial as we all know. —Khoikhoi 23:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, we will never have any progress with kurd related articles till eternity. So I might as well leave it all to your capable hands. I tried helping by fixing something thats not remotely contraverisal (just a holiday) and it turns out like this... -- Cat 23:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure anymore, but judging from the AfD, I don't think either is going to happen. —Khoikhoi 22:58, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, politics can be a big part of Kurdish life. Their recent history shows that. Anways, the article being inaccurate isn't a reason to delete or merge it. I think a fix attempt would be better in this case. —Khoikhoi 23:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- I actually thought the political stuff was interesting. For exampmle, see this article about Purim in Hebron/al Khalīl in 2001. —Khoikhoi 23:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yea but AFDs are frequently used to get concensus to merge and etc. My vote and bargin was never an actual delete. Talk page mesages got me no where in the past... -- Cat 23:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- What's wrong with the flag? It appears to be bigger than what we have now. —Khoikhoi 03:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm yea well, there is a full time cleanup job after him like Image:Flag-of-Kurdistan.png -- Cat 03:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Kurdistan
The person has repetivly violated 3rr as well as wp:not (for posting propoganda) and should be blocked. -- Cat 08:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Blocked 24 hours. Kimchi.sg 11:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Late response is fine, I noticed the block. ;) -- Cat 11:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Kurdish celebration of Newroz
- Based on skimming both articles, the Kurdish version of the holiday seems significant enough to warrant a separate article. The article is referenced, albeit mostly with external links that probably ought to be turned into endnotes. Were the Kurdish section merged, it would either dominate the head article, or information would be lost. Per WP:BIAS, if we have separate articles on ethnic Winter Solstice observations, we can have separate articles on ethnic Vernal Equinox observations also. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- From Kurdish celebration of Newroz
- I just want to clarify my reasonings. Bear with me.
- Firstly, I am not proposing the information to be lost. Just seperated.
- The holiday Newroz had been celebrated for forever (according to article). Kurds just like rest of the local peoples had been celebrating this and still do. Any diagreements with this?
- I think it is biased to suggest the political rallys are a part of kurdish culture which wouldt come with the assumption that every Kurd supports the PKK (these "political rallys" often end up bing a PKK suprot rally orhganised by certain Kurdish political parties). Any diagreements with this?
- The Newroz celebrations are hardly unique to the kurds (as per Norouz) and the politics stuff is hardly uneque to the spring holiday (such incidents happen on other social gatherings such as on the workers day and etc). That is why an article explaining the political aspect should be kept diferent. Any diagreements with this?
- So, all I am proposing is spliting political stuff and holiday stuff.
- -- Cat 17:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Just a brief response. When a page is on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion, what is at issue is whether the page is so worthless as to be unworthy of an encyclopedia, and ought to be entirely removed. Vanity pages, crank theories, confused gibberish, and deliberate vandalism are the chief offenders.
- Your concerns about what should be at the head page of Norouz and what should be at this one don't fit any of the usual categories. This is the sort of thing that customarily is addressed at one or the other articles' talk pages. Likewise, if the page is wrong about the extent or significance of the politicization of the holiday among Kurds, this too is something that belongs on the talk page; flag it for neutrality and accuracy if need be.
- I have no opinion on any of these issues, and no real basis to form one. I read the article on Kurdish celebrations, and it seemed to make sense and contain information that, if accurate, should be kept somewhere. And similarly, since it contained information about songs associated with the celebration by Kurds, it seemed to have enough independent data to no longer qualify as a POV fork, even if it once did.
- - Smerdis of Tlön 20:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- No, afd is a concensus gathering process. I am NOT trying to get anything deleted,<just tying to reorganize the mess. See talk page of Kurdistan why talk pages are practıcaly useless (constant endless rants). The idea is to talk the opponent to death (forumer logic) I believe.
- I really feel article should be topic spesific rather than ethnicity spesific. History can be its main article for instance. Political stuff should go to an article about political stuff rather than about the spring holiday.
- Perhaps you can change your vote from keep to move/rename etc?
- -- Cat 22:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
For a good atmosphere despite occasional disagreements
Bertilvidet has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!
- Nomater whatever the circusmtances, I dislike to be treated like an idiot. After such a remark don't even bother talking to me. -- Cat 21:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Eh, that wasn't really the kind of answer I expected. We've had some discords, that's sure, but we are here with a common aim: to improve and expand the encyclopedia. So let's try to keep a good atmosphere, settle disputes - and realize that our different approaches are a must for balanced and deliberate articles. Cheers Bertilvidet 22:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- There is someone who spends his entier contribution just to harras me (Moby Dick) and you are actualy encouraging this. After that come here and lecture me about the common aim. I wonder...
- I have no dispute to settle with Moby Dick, I settled that with the two arbitration hearings (one for Davenbelle and another for Moby Dick). All I seek now is the enforcement of the arbitration remidies.
- -- Cat 22:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Anyway, thank you for returning the smile. I do appreciate that. Bertilvidet 07:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Eh, that wasn't really the kind of answer I expected. We've had some discords, that's sure, but we are here with a common aim: to improve and expand the encyclopedia. So let's try to keep a good atmosphere, settle disputes - and realize that our different approaches are a must for balanced and deliberate articles. Cheers Bertilvidet 22:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Moby Dick is back on his harrasment parole
Moby Dick (talk · contribs) is back. Please see the ANB/I case. -- Cat 11:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Clearly we seem to be again at a disagreement about Moby Dick. -- Cat 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Arbitrator Smoddy (Sam Korn) has clarified that in his view the ban does apply to all namespaces. I'll await further comments to see how it pans out, but provisionally it looks if the remedy should be applied very expansively. Please do remind me if I don't appear to take this on board (I have lots of other things to do but that doesn't mean I've forgotten that I brought the case to spare you from being hassled by Moby Dick). --Tony Sidaway 23:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- I just think we are again getting too stuck on burocracy. I think I have tollerated Davenbelle/Moby Dick long enough for one and a half years.
- He should be blocked strictly for harrasing (stalking) me. Can we please block moby dick as fast as he gets me blocked? Please load his contribs
- He will just get a new account and continue you know... I cant keep starting arbcom cases... He is no better than TRT.
- -- Cat 00:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Arbitrator Smoddy (Sam Korn) has clarified that in his view the ban does apply to all namespaces. I'll await further comments to see how it pans out, but provisionally it looks if the remedy should be applied very expansively. Please do remind me if I don't appear to take this on board (I have lots of other things to do but that doesn't mean I've forgotten that I brought the case to spare you from being hassled by Moby Dick). --Tony Sidaway 23:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Privacy issue
Re. the earlier conversation, I've e-mailed a dev and asked for all the logs to be errased. --Doc 00:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Domo Arigato. Sore. -- Cat 00:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Template
- I wish to create a template for
U.S. federal courts .
<left>U.S. district courts</left>
<right>SCOTUS</right>
--Patchouli 22:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- See {{US Federal Courts}}. I started it for you. You can study the code if you like. :) -- Cat 22:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Than you very much and I looked at the code.
I just have one question: Did you start typing that code after entering "Template:US Federal Courts" in the search box on the left of Misplaced Pages's screen and beginning a new article or was it commenced differently?--Patchouli 22:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Question 2: Is it correct to place {{US Federal Courts}} and other templates after the "external links"?--Patchouli 22:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Preferably after everything but categories and interwikilinks. Its not illeal to put it else where, just inpractical -- Cat 23:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- What aobut the query regarding starting a template?--Patchouli 23:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- You can start a template just like how you start a new article but put the word "Template:" infront of it. You do not need permission to start a template. -- Cat 23:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you.--Patchouli 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Anytime. If you have further questions, do not hesitate to ask. :) -- Cat 23:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you.--Patchouli 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- You can start a template just like how you start a new article but put the word "Template:" infront of it. You do not need permission to start a template. -- Cat 23:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- What aobut the query regarding starting a template?--Patchouli 23:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
PLEASE SPARE ME!
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 203.217.83.31 15:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actualy, I created a 4 way template. It should contain all "other" (UN, Fox news, etc) parties. -- Cat 16:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Attention / Turkey
Hiya Cool Cat, can you take a look here and mediate when you have the time?--Kilhan 20:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- I do not negotioate with returning sockpuppets. That user was blocked several times. See: Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/RogerMooreArm -- Cat 20:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Unofficial teams
You have created quite a number of "unofficial" national teams, I'd like to know the reasoning. -- Cat 15:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- I created an article for each of the non-FIFA playing nations because other articles existed for like situations. I just stubbed out the remainders. Patken4 03:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Why not present them in a list. I dont think any will get really large. -- Cat 03:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Stuff
It's not him, check your email. BTW, the category was because of this but also because of you. :p —Khoikhoi 03:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
3RR
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You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. |
Grandmasterka 21:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- 3 reverts is not a violation. -- Cat 21:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Nor is it an entitlement (gah, you know that)--Doc 22:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | unblock | contribs) asked to be unblocked, but one or more administrators has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators can also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). This unblock request continues to be visible. Do not replace this message with another unblock request.
Request reason: "I do not want favors from Kelly Martin. Please lengthen time to 24 hrs or alternaively remove it all together (since it was just 3 reverts). --Cat out 21:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)"
Decline reason: "Don't be silly, and don't personalise it. CC you should now better than to lame edit war - come back in 2hrs or wait 24 if you want. But just behave. (/me is asking nicely) --Doc 22:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)"
Administrators: This template should be removed when the block has expired, or after 2 days in the case of blocks of 1 week or longer.Misplaced Pages:List of Wikipedians by number of edits
Is it posible to use the bot that used to work for this for other wikis? -- Cat 16:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know, I expect so. I only ran a script against a datbase dump, that tool was sadly lost, however the historic relic from it Misplaced Pages:List of ips by number of edits shows that some IP's would have been among the top editors. I was thinking of (writing and) testing a new script against ang.wikipedia.org, since it's fairly trivial. Rich Farmbrough 16:49 29 August 2006 (GMT).
- Don't know if this ] is of use. Rich Farmbrough 16:53 29 August 2006 (GMT).
September
User talk:White Cat/Archive/2005/06/Comment
reply : always saladin eyyubi is kurdish all eurepens public know that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.226.3.38 (talk • contribs)
- In the future, please do not edit archives and instead post your comments on my talk page.
- What is this post refering to? What are you talking about?
- -- Cat 07:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Star Trek rank insignia speedies
You've marked quite a few Star Trek rank insignia images for speedy deletion, but the reason you give is not a valid criteria for speedy deletion. What you should do is add {{NowCommons}} to the image page instead. Pagrashtak 17:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Its a "common sense" delete. WP should not be a burocracy should it? -- Cat 17:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Images with identical copies on Commons must be marked for seven days prior to deletion. Take it up at Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion if you want to change the rules. Pagrashtak 17:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- I Already have. I just wish you werent soo burocratic. :) -- Cat 17:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Images with identical copies on Commons must be marked for seven days prior to deletion. Take it up at Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion if you want to change the rules. Pagrashtak 17:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Test Wiki
You say I was experimenting with your user page? No.... :\ And even though you say you deleted my images in the Test Wiki, the images are still there. Hint: go here. Stalin.P҉G 22:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Only in your chache. Try hitting ctrl+F5 (ie/firefox). Test wiki exists only for developers to work on wikimedia software, not for your ammusement and is certainly not your webhost. -- Cat 22:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, really. I am using a different computer this time than the one I updated. Stalin.P҉G 22:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Just refresh your chache. Its not there. -- Cat 22:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Pressing F5... CTRL+F5... SHIFT+F5... hmmm... it's gone now! Hmmm... but there's something strange... I'll leave it to you to figure out. Don't you just hate those deletionists? Stalin.PoG 22:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- Just refresh your chache. Its not there. -- Cat 22:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, really. I am using a different computer this time than the one I updated. Stalin.P҉G 22:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Wikipe-tan mopping
Hi, Cool Cat. Thank you for the message in my user page.
Reading your message, I drew the mopping version of Wikipe-tan. Use it freely if it is useful for your purpose. --Kasuga 16:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Image updated
Hi, thank you for the updating the counter vandalism image on my it.wiki user page! :) --Jacopo86 18:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi
Nice to meet you.How are you to day.Me I'm fine.I was wondering how do you do a project. Please get back to me at Bobby Black
Kurdistan Workers Party
Careful with the edit summaries, dont raise tentions. :) -- Cat 20:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hehe, I got the idea from a user who tried to rewrite the article, but ended up actually deleting 90% of it. I'll be more careful in the future. :) —Khoikhoi 20:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- ^_^. Say you interested in anime at all? -- Cat 20:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Not at all. ;-) —Khoikhoi 20:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why not? :P -- Cat 20:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, don't you think "armed militant" sounds sorta redundant? Of course the PKK is armed. —Khoikhoi 20:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, it is pointing the obvious for a person who knows what PKK is, but when BBC for instance report it as an "armed millitant" group. "Armed" basicaly points out that they are not like your average political party. Not imperative, but certainly cant hurt to have it. :) -- Cat 20:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- I see your point, sounds good to me. —Khoikhoi 20:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, it is pointing the obvious for a person who knows what PKK is, but when BBC for instance report it as an "armed millitant" group. "Armed" basicaly points out that they are not like your average political party. Not imperative, but certainly cant hurt to have it. :) -- Cat 20:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- Not at all. ;-) —Khoikhoi 20:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- ^_^. Say you interested in anime at all? -- Cat 20:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Image:Encephalon Cross.png
I came accross this at random and was wondering if the Star of life symbol would be much better than the red cross for the reasons spesified at Star of life article perhaps. -- Cat 18:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hello Cool Cat,
- The Cross is simply a personal 'award' I grant on occassion to editors who have made excellent contributions to medical articles. I am aware that there has been some interest recently in instituting a more formal barnstar-type award for the same purpose; I have no objections to the use of the Star of Life, the EC, or any other image for that award. Regards —Encephalon 10:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, I was merely suggesting, (I just feel star of life is cuter). Star of life itself looks like a barnstar. -- Cat 20:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar
My heartfelt gratitude for that totally undeserved barnstar. Cheers me up on a grumpy Monday morning! JFW | T@lk 09:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/Sep11/Yeah I agree...
... -- Cat 09:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- I couldn't think of anything to say that would be appropriate, so I just have some dates. Best wishes.--MONGO 09:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- Feel free to use that template btw. -- Cat 09:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar
Thank you for your Barnstar award. It is most appreciated. — RJH (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
User talk:Ruzgar
I do not see any racist slurs and etc at this diff. The page protection is unwarranted in my opinion (strictly based on that diff, didnt look too deep). He is also complaining about his block.
I'll translate the discussion on that diff for you (I will overly simplify it too). Basicaly Ruzgar's inclusion of the POV image was a reaction to the existance of similar images on Armenian Genocide. He was violating WP:POINT in that sense.
Regarding the incident: While I agree that Kurdistan Workers Party article should not have such pov images, I further feel same standard should be applied to Armenian Genocide and other similar articles.
-- Cat 23:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
- The fact is, not only did the user continuously and knowingly disrupted that article with that image, and even after being blocked, encouraged others to continue in his stead. That's what I consider trolling. --InShaneee 17:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- Even so, his ISP has a semi-dynamic ip so the block is causing collateral damage. I am not compaining about the existance of the block, I am complaining about the length of the block. I also feel that the protection of the talk page is unnecesary. After all, he can simply IRC/email for that, this only prevents me from talking to him.
- I feel the user is frustrated with his inability to work on Armenian Genocide article (a frustration I share) and that this WP:POINT violation is steming from that. I feel what he seeks is right (removal of pov images from Armenian Genocide article), just that his method is completely wrong (attempt to force pov images to Kurdistan Workers Party article).
- -- Cat 22:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
9/11 wiki
Hi Cool Cat. I see you filed bugzilla:7280 to get the 9/11 wiki closed down, but the devs are stalling again. The way I see it, there are several different levels of action, ranging from locking the wiki and leaving it up as a read-only database, to totally deleting it and all the data on it. The question is, which option do the majority of those who have voted for something to be done (themselves an overwhelming majority) favor? Here are the main options as I see them:
- Lock the database and make the wiki read-only, but leave it up there for everyone to read indefinitely. This is definitely better than the status quo, whereby the wiki is described by many of the voters in the latest poll as a "vandal's playground", "troll magnet" etc.
- Archive the content and get rid of the wiki. There seems to be a lot of support for this. If implemented, this would mean that anyone trying to visit the site would get a 404 or a notice directing them to somewhere where they could download the archive. The Wikimedia Foundation would make the content available for download for others to make use of under the GFDL.
- Delete the whole thing and don't even bother making an archive available. This would be as much as we could do to dissociate Misplaced Pages's good name from such an embarrassment as the 9/11 wiki. MemoryWiki has apparently got the content already, so actually the information wouldn't be lost at all.
From Bugzilla I see that Brion has unilaterally decided, seemingly regardless of the wishes of the community, that he won't delete it unless there's a legal problem. In that case it might be much less of a struggle to just get him to make it read only, but really from a content preservation point of view, if you're going to do that you might as well shut down the wiki and make its database available as a download. Looking at the vote, I can see a lot of people, many of them well-respected and famous Wikipedians such as Angela, calling for the wiki to be "archived", "closed", "removed", "deleted" or "gone". I think the consensus would definitely support something more than just locking the database. It's not so much that people want the work that people have contributed to the 9/11 wiki undone (although the vast majority is useless, as it has never become more than a dumping ground), but that they don't want it associated with Misplaced Pages, which is supposed to be all about NPOV, accuracy, factual material, etc. At the very least it needs to lose that old Misplaced Pages logo, so that no readers can be under the impression that such an embarrassment is part of Misplaced Pages. It would be great if you could reply to Brion over on Bugzilla with some definite proposal of what he should do, where the consensus for such an action would be clear from the vote that's been held on Meta, as well as all the other endless discussions, so that he could go ahead and do it. I just wish him or the board, who seem so remote from the community these days, could read the polls and discussions, or even just the comments I've made here, and see that this nonsense has gone on far too long. Thanks a lot and all the best. Andreyi 16:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- 9/11 wiki had always been intended to be the dumpspace of non encyclopedic 9/11 stuff that just was plauging wikipedia at its infant stages. Since the "threat" has passed it can be sent to wiki-hell/heaven/afterlife/ragnorak/(whatever).
- Devs generaly try to avoid drasric actions. There are a number of reasons and I am not going to get indulged with it. He is just being careful.
- I guess the issue should be taken to the board, after all this will be the first time a wiki will be deleted/closed.
- -- Cat 17:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with you and I know Brion is just being careful, but I think it needs pointing out to him that there is a community consensus, expressed many times in many places, for at the very least locking the database and changing the name and logo. I hope you'll at least point this out on Bugzilla and direct Brion to some of the discussions such as this one and the meta vote, because I seem to be unable to sign up for an account over there. Thanks. Andreyi 17:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Brion has me on ignore on IRC so I'd rather not even talk to him right now. Ignoring him back seems to be the most constructive thing I feel I can do. You are however welcome to post anything on bugzilla. -- Cat 17:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with you and I know Brion is just being careful, but I think it needs pointing out to him that there is a community consensus, expressed many times in many places, for at the very least locking the database and changing the name and logo. I hope you'll at least point this out on Bugzilla and direct Brion to some of the discussions such as this one and the meta vote, because I seem to be unable to sign up for an account over there. Thanks. Andreyi 17:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Master world map
I dont know if you can but I'd like to have an empty world map with this level of detail. The current blank map is also geographicaly inacurate (Russian - Alaskan connection would be welcome). What would you think of such an idea? -- Cat 09:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that at the moment, I'm not able to do anything much with regards to images — I'm currently living in a country where many of Misplaced Pages's servers are blocked, including the ones which seem to handle image files — even viewing an image takes work, and I can't find any way at all to upload things. As such, I can't actually do anything about the images now.
- However, I'm not sure I could help in any case — the map you pointed to comes from a special map of the Caribbean — I'm afraid I don't have a global map of the same detail. The distance between Russia and Alaska is a bit more complicated — it's an artifact of the projection system used. The map is actually supposed to be an oval shape rather than a rectangle, and when seen without its oval border, the white space which is supposed to be "off the map" looks like it's actually sea, which causes things to seem distorted. If I had known that the map would be used for the things that it is, I might have chosen a different projection, but the original map was merely meant to be a base for smaller maps to be cut out of (the little locator maps on each country's page). Changing the map from an oval one to a rectangular one would require redrawing the whole thing, and I don't have the necessary tools where I currently live — and someone else would do a far better job anyway, I'm sure.
- So... sorry, but I can't actually do anything right now. If the problems still exist when I get back to my own country, where I'm able to actually do something, maybe I can take a look.
- -- Vardion 06:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- I see...
- You can email it (any image) to me and I can upload it for you :)
- I realise that but on some maps (not the ones on wikipedia), I observed that alaska is simply being drawn twice, or asia is placed left and the americas to the right of the map (as the atlantic is mosty vacant of any island countries).
- Did you drew the Caribbean map yourself or via a tool?
- I have no reason to rush the matter. I can even wait a full year. I'd rather wait for the pro :) Oh and google for HTTP-tunnel may suprisingly take care of most of your problems.
- -- Cat 09:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Looking over things, I'm afraid I probably don't have the right software to do anything much yet. I drew the maps myself, but with the aid of various graphics programs, and using some detailed digital maps for reference — out here, I don't have either available. Nor do I have much ability to obtain and install things on the computer I'm currently using (I access the internet through my work). So I'm afraid that anything I do will have to wait until I'm back home, whenever that is. (Thanks for the suggestion regarding HTTP tunnels, though — I'll look into it). -- Vardion 05:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- I see...
In many laguages
You're welcome :) even though I don't remember doing that. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 18:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Same here (: --Quinlan Vos 20:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Kurdish flag
Thanks! I wasn't aware of this happening—I've done a few fix-ups. —Khoikhoi 18:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
User talk:Ozgurgerilla
I gave a warning on civility and personal attacks (and overal other nonsense). That is hardly nothing. I am required to give two warnings ({{npa2}}, {{npa3}}) before I can request admin intervention. -- Cat 05:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- His concern is that you didn't warn neurobio at all... —Khoikhoi 05:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am not obligated to warn anyone. I just noticed Ozgurgerilla's post and reacted to it. Feel free to warn him (other person) if you feel it is for the better of wikipedia. Just, do not encourage Ozgurgerilla's behaviour. -- Cat 05:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really feel like warning him, Pişîka Xasûk. —Khoikhoi 05:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly how I feel... -- Cat 05:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Besdies that, how have you been recently? —Khoikhoi 05:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well was mostly busy with Oh My Goddess! Soundtracks, CVU deletion thing, meta:Wikimania 2007/Istanbul, and commons:COM:DEL. A bit fatigued with all that but overal ok. You? -- Cat 05:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Trying not to get distracted by Misplaced Pages from real life work. :) —Khoikhoi 05:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Real life? What is that? Cite sources for its existance! :P -- Cat 05:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hehehe. :p —Khoikhoi 05:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Real life? What is that? Cite sources for its existance! :P -- Cat 05:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Trying not to get distracted by Misplaced Pages from real life work. :) —Khoikhoi 05:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well was mostly busy with Oh My Goddess! Soundtracks, CVU deletion thing, meta:Wikimania 2007/Istanbul, and commons:COM:DEL. A bit fatigued with all that but overal ok. You? -- Cat 05:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm. Besdies that, how have you been recently? —Khoikhoi 05:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly how I feel... -- Cat 05:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- I don't really feel like warning him, Pişîka Xasûk. —Khoikhoi 05:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- I am not obligated to warn anyone. I just noticed Ozgurgerilla's post and reacted to it. Feel free to warn him (other person) if you feel it is for the better of wikipedia. Just, do not encourage Ozgurgerilla's behaviour. -- Cat 05:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey there,
Coolcat could you take a look at this page? I think it is pretty biased: "Assyrians in Turkey" -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.58.142 (talk • contribs)
- Appears so. Investigating. -- Cat 16:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
tagalog translation for cool cat
thanks for stopping by my talk page im must apologize, but i kinda messed up the html table heres the right one...
tagalog ---> ayos na pusa ----> a fine cat or an okay cat
†Bloodpack† 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
- Looks ok to me, try refreshing the page. :) -- Cat 16:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Re: User:Cool Cat/In many languages...
You're welcome, sorry for taking so long. =) --Nkcs 18:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi
I was wondering how do you get awards on this site.I realy wan't an award to prove that I can do anything if I put my mind to it.
Thanks,your wikipedian
Bobby Black 12:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, there are no offical "awards" on wikipedia. There are however unofficial barnstars which you can "earn" by simply editing. There are no solid criteria to be awarded. Basicaly someone should "award" you the barnstar... Barnstars are no big deal, keep that in mind. :) -- Cat 18:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
User Talk: Jerle0
Thanks for the welcome notice. I've used wikipedia for a while now but I figure there are a few places I can contribute to...seems the AMG project is one of the places you hover around (and from the looks of it, created large portions of it...amazing body of work you've got there) so we'll likely cross paths from time to time. --Jerle0 18:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'd like that :) It is overwhelming for a single person to handle the AMG serries. -- Cat 19:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
images on commons
Hi, I would ask you to have a look to my response on that site - thanks --Mandavi 12:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, I responded to you at same place. -- Cat 13:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
israel
hii,
why dont you want to visite in the state of israel? there is a litle different between israel to iran, iraq or Saudi Arabia...
someone from the hebrew language wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.154.161.61 (talk • contribs)
- Iraq will likely suffer a civil war that may last decades at this rate.
- Saudi Arabia has been hostile to foreigners (and their own citizens for that matter) for decades.
- Iran isn't exactly safe either, too many islamist extrimists that wont go away any time soon.
- As per recent war in lebanon, things may get out of control in Israel. I don't trust Hezbollah and their call for peace so when they strike, I'd rather not be anywhere near the crossfire. Once it gets relatively safe/stable, I'd like to be there. I have nothing against the state though. -- Cat 18:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
- thank you for the answer. the people of israel doesn't trust Hezbollah, too. (-: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.154.161.61 (talk • contribs)
Reply
I'd rather not...I'm pretty busy right now. sorry. :( —Khoikhoi 04:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Template:Islam
The threads here were what came about merely the last time such a change was discussed. (→Netscott) 11:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Miskin
Cool Cat, without taking sides, could you take a look at this user's history, such as on Cretan Turks page but also elsewhere. Am I the only one who thinks that, removing information sourced or transferred from another article, and then putting it back, and then removing it again, and then writing long diatribes mentioning my user name again and again are calculated and subversive acts? He is in dispute with a lot of people (even with the Serbians - for a Greek, that's an accomplishment). I had made it clear some time ago that I didn't consider him a serious user.
Now I am starting to think that there is an agenda for, perhaps, creating pet little Greek Muslims to brainwash the next generation of Greeks:) (check the vote on the title Greek Muslims on that article's talk page, it was the caucus of the century ). The only problem is that they are nowhere to be seen, and very few among those population groups included in the category consider themselves as Greeks. That should raise question marks for a serious mind. I am beginning to think that the organized bullying of Cretan Turks page forms part of a general trend. Before his arrival, the page was being developped constructively with involvement from another Greek user. Regards. Cretanforever 21:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry for getting back on you about this in a delayed manner.
- Is the issue still a problem? What exactly is the problem with the artice/user (I havent looked)? Have you tried WP:RFC?
- -- Cat 12:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't mind for the moment. If I start to mind, I will try WP:RFC as you suggest. It's part of a general habit of making alphabet soups out of ethnicities. People are no longer being referred to along religious denominations. That was 19th century talk (i.e. Bosnian Muslims). And in the case of Turkish Cretans, Greeks are very badly placed to put forth denominations. The more so when their own language defines Turkish Cretans as Turkish Cretans. If they bully the page, I will add hurtful stuff. One fine day, they will grow up! :) Cretanforever 12:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- A patient pacifist approach is the better side of valor. If you end up adding info in a biased manner, I can't help you. Do not make edits driven by revenge. Furthermore in such a case, an RFC would not go well... -- Cat 13:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- No question of "making edits driven by revenge". I am only withholding sources which, for example, point at Turkish Cretans (mentioned in the article) who knew the Greek language but did not speak it, considering it as a tongue for the lower-classes. Things like that. Well-sourced. It's not the kind of stuff I would gladly include in the article, despire what's on the air for the Turks.:) Cretanforever 14:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedians by number of edits
CC, you asked about gettign these data for another wiki, which one? Rich Farmbrough, 15:58 30 September 2006 (GMT).
- Tr.wiki. :) -- Cat 16:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- tr:Kullanıcı mesaj:Rich Farmbrough Rich Farmbrough, 19:40 30 September 2006 (GMT).
- Incidentally you are number 49 on tr. Cool Cat 2050 (edits). Rich Farmbrough, 21:38 30 September 2006 (GMT).
- tr:Kullanıcı mesaj:Rich Farmbrough Rich Farmbrough, 19:40 30 September 2006 (GMT).
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Image:Solar sys.png
I have used your image and broken it apart to create a more interactive navigation. I was wondering if you could recreate that image adding other notable astronomical bodies such as pluto and other Trans neptunian objects (and perhaps Ceres too).
Furthermore, Larger or better spaced images would allow text to be aligned with the images. -- Cat 12:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- I created this in an earlier revision:
Hope its what your after -- Nbound 06:02, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is certainly nicer and more detailed, but is it possible to make it wider (so that pluto is easier to click)?
- Also you may want to upload multiple files like I did. :)
- -- Cat 12:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
just double sized... cant get it to sharpen without looking like crap though -- Nbound 13:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- The wideness is better. However what I really want to do is put text below the individual planets as caption so each image should have enough wideness for that.
- You may want to upload multiple images like I did. See commons:Category:Solar System Chart to see what I mean. I used paint to break them apart but I feel use of a more professional tool would have better end results. If you use a naming convention like I did it would be easier to manage.
- -- Cat 13:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry i honestly dont have the time... but i reckon the easiest way would be to use a spacer image between each pic... though u'd have to get it to match the gradient colour each time... which is why im feelin lazy, that and im sick as a dog, haha- Nbound 14:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
- To be read when you get better:
- User:Cool_Cat/Sandbox#Solar displays the real template structure I have in mind (I am woking on improving that as well). For it to work properly, I need wider and evenly distributed diagrams of planets. I have no way of doing this myself so that is why I am asking for your assistance.
- -- Cat 18:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- Check your sandbox... ive added an idea of possible navigation:
Basically-> Asteroid pic (link to asteroids)... Ceres in asteroids (link to ceres)... Asteroid pic again
It will need work to look right... but it seems a good idea... and could fairly easily be used for Pluto/Eris-- Nbound
- That can be done yes. No opposition here. Yes it needs more work. :)
- Is it possible to add stuff like the orth cloud and other similar objects?
- Also consider coloring the planets and the sun. Mars is predominantly orangish red while the sun is yellow in color. :)
- -- Cat 13:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hows this for two hours work =)
File:Eight Planets colour3.png
- Shiny coloured planets for everyone =D
- Cut it up however you see fit... -- Nbound 16:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
- slight changes made by other uses - updating this image appropriately -- Nbound 02:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- I like the design. Do you think text would fit under the planets? I think it needs to be wider (space between planets) so that text can fit below the image as caption.
- I'd like you to break the image into smaller peices and experiment weather or not text fits below it. After all, you can actualy fix anything problematic while I cannot.
- -- Cat 13:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- It seems the consensus on the template page seems to be against the interactive footer, so i dont really want to waste time (it would take a few hours to perfect) -- Nbound 14:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- I do not see a reason for their objections as they didnt mention any. So that is by no means that there is a concensus. Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. The vote has no meaning to me. Regardless the outcome of the vote, proper labeling and spacing of the image would be better. Lets work constructively on what we have. -- Cat 21:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- slight changes made by other uses - updating this image appropriately -- Nbound 02:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Gorani (language)/Well...
Actualy the pov rename is approporate as per naming conventions. We avoid unnecesaryly spesific info in ( )'s unless absolutely necesary. -- Cat 01:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- There's a big controversy over the Altaic languages, but most articles link to that page, not the Altaic hypothesis article... :-/ —Khoikhoi 02:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- I do not believe that contravercy is anyway related to the "Gorani" page. -- Cat 02:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- I never said it was, I was merely giving an example. —Khoikhoi 02:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ah I see. Care to elaborate? I am not certain what I am looking for. :) -- Cat 09:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not really (it's 2:38 AM over here). ;-) Kolay gelsin. —Khoikhoi 09:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sleep is a poor substitute to cafeine.... :P -- Cat 09:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed! —Khoikhoi 09:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Sleep is a poor substitute to cafeine.... :P -- Cat 09:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not really (it's 2:38 AM over here). ;-) Kolay gelsin. —Khoikhoi 09:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ah I see. Care to elaborate? I am not certain what I am looking for. :) -- Cat 09:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- I never said it was, I was merely giving an example. —Khoikhoi 02:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
- I do not believe that contravercy is anyway related to the "Gorani" page. -- Cat 02:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Working Man's Barnstar and Barnstar of Diligence
Hi! evrik suggested I contact you since you're associated with WikiProject Awards. After some discussion about changing the name of the "Working Man's Barnstar" to something gender inclusive, we realized that there is not much distinction between "Working Man's Barnstar" and the "Barnstar of Diligence". In order to avoid an overly-PC rename of "Working Man's", and given that there's not much difference between the two anyway, I thought it'd be best to conflate the two awards and have only "The Barnstar of Diligence." Your opinion on the matter would be much appreciated! The discussion can be found here. Cheers! -- Merope 17:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Username blabber blabity blab
Kú Máo(Shanghainese Hanyu Pinyin) *Pronounced "Koo Maoy" with a little pop in the "aoy" part. Hope you add that to the list...--*SMILYS FOR ALL!* Da.Tomato.Dude 22:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
WP:POINT
Please do not disrupt wikipedia to illustrate a point. I am not exactly sure what the problem is but I presume it has something to do with "Palestine". -- Cat 22:43, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- it's not WP:POINT, it's WP:NPOV. Iraqi Kurdistan is too an autonomy. Amoruso 22:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- Iraqi Kurdistan does not claim to be an independent country now do they? I can list several hundered autonomous regions in europe and amercias alone. We only list countries (defacto or not) in nav templates.
- -- Cat 23:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- it has nothing to do with soverginity. it's an autonomy of a seperate PEOPLE who want to control their own lives. It fits the template. Amoruso 23:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I am with you on this one
Refering to the edit war between A Man in Black (AKA AMIB) and Cool Cat.
So, AMIB decides that purging the Deus Ex set of articles isn't enough. I'm with you on this one, AMIB purged a lot of fiction based articles on Deus Ex and we have been having to restore all that he destroyed. He says that it is cruft and\or not fit for an encyclopedia, but he is causing more harm than good in a already vunable encylopedia. -Dynamo_ace Talk
I have attempted to revert the template which he has also defaced. -Dynamo_ace Talk
So, Cool Cat, what do we do. I have tried to contact another admin on this and he refused to mediate. So our only hope is to make AMIB realise that with great power comes great responsablity and that he shouldn't be purging things without reason and a open mind.
I do have to say though, i pefered the screencaps in the infoboxes and not the DVD covers. -Dynamo_ace Talk
Oh My Goddess! images
Here is what I hoped to do... This is somewhat a little history lesson. When I started writing about the series I wasn't even aware of the OVA, mini and manga series. I later realised that the series is too vast for a single person to write about. I simply didn't have the time to expand all AMG serries related articles. I have a mental idea on how I want to use each and every image. On occasions I "update" this when better images become avalible.
Let me explain, for instance Image:Keiichi Morisato (Oh My Goddess! Manga).png is very important to explain keiichi's extraordinary personality and extraordinary situation. Angels are the "other self" of the host. If you look at Urd, her angel has a black and a white wing representing her true nature. I can give more examples but dont want to spoil it :P
It is an excellent series, I highly reccomend it btw.
-- Cat 09:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- I am under the assumption that you are trying to work cooperatively. Is my approach flawed? Why wont you respond? Time is running out and a large number of images are going to be deleted for being orphans because of your actions. -- Cat 15:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I understand the importance of the angels, and I'm not ignorant of OMG/AMG. Where were you planning to put the Keiichi/angel image in the article? I offered to undelete it for you on ANI. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- The thing is you caught me at a bad time. I am overloaded in real life so this decreases my productivity. I am also overwhelmed with the wikipedia panel I am working on. Furthermore, this entier issue had been most displeasant for me even though I know that was not your intention. All I ask is for you to understand this.
- What I planed on doing is explaining Keiichi's involvement on the Angle Eater arc and the later Demon-angel arc. These two after all are probably the most signigicant events through out the manga. The manga image would approporately go aroud there. I was hoping someone would write about all that as I do not want to do all thw work. Infact if you know the series you can do this. :)
- I have seen your ANB/I post. I'd rather handle the issue on your/my talk page. Both of us are aiming the guns at each other (metaphoricaly speaking), I'll be the first to put my hand off the trigger.
- Another issue is the existing orphaned fair use images which will be deleted very soon as a result of your modification to the template. I'd recomend restoring the multi-imaged version temporarily and going through the images one by one on my userspace since some of the images are used for material not yet covered such as keiichi and angel image above. It would be counter-productive to rush this issue or for the images to be deleted.
- -- Cat 20:02, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that fair-use images can't sit around until they're placed somewhere relevant. They need to be removed until they're made relevant and useful. While I can sympathize with real life intervening, the problem is that Misplaced Pages can't be an archive of fair-use images that might someday be used. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
- The images are all relevant, I didn't randomly uploaded them. As for Keiichi's case, the image is approporate for being the manga version alone. I merely expressed my long term "plans" as you inquired, do not misinterprete my comments.
- There is absolutely no reason why images cant be investigated on a case by case basis. Please take the necesary mesures to prevent their deletion. I do not have the time to mass write articles and I do not see the reason for the rush. Is wikipedia under attack?
- So far you have comprimised nothing and to be blunt you have enforced your stance with the admin privilages you were given. All that makes it really frustrating for a seasoned editor as myself. I sincerely hope to see a cooperative enviorment, please pull your finger off the trigger unless you intend to fire.
- -- Cat 04:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
You skipped the "placed somewhere" in the sentence above. Cramming four images into the infobox is not placing them somewhere relevant.
Yes, the images need to be investigated on a case-by-case basis. Get cracking! All you need to do is put the images somewhere relevant in the articles and we'll get started talking about individual cases.
There's no compromise here. All I'm asking of you is the bare minimum; these images can't be in the infobox, feel free to put them anywhere else. I haven't deleted any images save for one image that was unusuable and one image that I've offered to undelete for you if you tell me where you're going to put it. If you can't - or don't, or won't - do that, then the images will be and should be deleted, but I've done nothing to accelerate that deletion save remove some ridiculous galleries crammed into the infobox. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Can you offer a solution to the edit link problem? (weather its using divs and etc or not). That is why the images were inside the infobox. I can easly put the deleted image to the article but it causes technical issues.
- One way to do it is to let the images be passed to the infobox yet place them outside of the actual infobox template. But I havent got the slightest idea how. Since you seem to be talented on dealing with templates, I am open to suggestions.
- -- Cat 04:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Um. The only thing I can suggest is that you not use gigantor images in tiny section headings. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Done. As you can see, the edit link is broken. There is an easy fix for it, I can simply move the image down a bit but that isnt really a fix method I like. on different larger resolutions the edit link still will be misaligned and that bothers me like hell. -- Cat 04:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- You didn't put the image somewhere relevant; you just placed it beneath the infobox. This is not acceptable. You need to place the image alongside relevant commentary on that image. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Do you see the misaligned edit link? Forget about copyright issues for a minute. -- Cat 05:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. The infobox is causing that. Nothing can be done about it. I'm fully aware that it can cause edit links to get pushed all over the place, but the fact remains that images go in the relevant parts of the body of the article and not crammed into galleries at the beginning or end of the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Since the probelm is identified I have moved the image to where it always appeared weather or not if it was inside or outside the infobox. It always appeared under Keiichi_Morisato#Personality as the angel is more than relevant to his personality.
- You basicaly are complaining about where the image's wikicode appears, is that correct?
- -- Cat 05:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. The infobox is causing that. Nothing can be done about it. I'm fully aware that it can cause edit links to get pushed all over the place, but the fact remains that images go in the relevant parts of the body of the article and not crammed into galleries at the beginning or end of the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Do you see the misaligned edit link? Forget about copyright issues for a minute. -- Cat 05:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- You didn't put the image somewhere relevant; you just placed it beneath the infobox. This is not acceptable. You need to place the image alongside relevant commentary on that image. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
If that's where you want the image, it's staying deleted. The personality section doesn't say anything at all about the angel, let alone anything that needs to be illustrated. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- I expanded the section further using the material that was already on the article. That info was originaly with the "personality" section IIRC. Dont exactly know what happened there. As it stands I am not happy with that article and feel it needs work. -- Cat 05:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's less than ideal, but if you're planning to work on the article, I'll restore the image. At least it's somewhere relevant now. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- I intend to expand it. Please understand the amount of info I need to process is a manga that has been around since 1988. So this may take some time. -- Cat 05:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's less than ideal, but if you're planning to work on the article, I'll restore the image. At least it's somewhere relevant now. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:27, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Arbitrary edit point
Now how do you suggest we tackle the edit link problem? -- Cat 05:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- We...don't? I don't see that it's in dire need of fixing. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Four way talks for the 21dec panel
Hi, I'd like to discuss a general outline for the Misplaced Pages panel as well as other issues. :)
This is what I have at the moment. Feel free to reply, and at least acknowlege you had seen it.
Just a reminder: The panel will happen in Ankara, Turkey on 21 Dec 2006. -- Cat 17:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Panel
Hey Coolcat, I got your note, but it seems that what I'm to talk about has morphed from being a discussion on policy and project goals and various ideas on that (e.g. factions) into a discussion on copyright policies on Misplaced Pages. I could probably still talk about that, but I don't think it'd be very interesting - copyright and related policy is a fairly dry topic. Any news on funding? Take care. --Improv 08:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- This isnt fixed. I had to reduce the number of panelists I am to invite to three. If you like to talk about something else, it can easily be adjusted. I just had to give an outline to the people. I did get your name right, right? -- Cat 10:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I was wondering if you could write in a paragraph what you'd like to discuss in the panel. I need to submit a general outline of the panel by this monday. -- Cat 00:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Misconceptions? See: User:Khorshid/Misconceptions
I do not think a userpage is for that stuff... -- Cat 15:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that it's strictly innapropriate, though I'm not pleased that it already exists on its own subpage, as well. Have you considered MfD? --InShaneee 15:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- I was waiting for your review before seeking any kind of action. I do not want to make the nomination myself. How should I proceed? -- Cat 16:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Take it to MfD, mention why it was removed from wherever it was removed from, and point out that it already has its own subpage in his userspace. --InShaneee 19:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- Done. See: Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Khorshid/Misconceptions -- Cat 18:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Take it to MfD, mention why it was removed from wherever it was removed from, and point out that it already has its own subpage in his userspace. --InShaneee 19:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
- I was waiting for your review before seeking any kind of action. I do not want to make the nomination myself. How should I proceed? -- Cat 16:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, about the "misconceptions" section on your userpage...
Firstly I'd like to point out that I also agree that Iran is overdemonised. However I feel a userpage does not exist for one to express political beliefs. I would encourage you to remove it. You can for instance put the content to a blog and link to it in your userpage.
The deletion is for the now seemingly obsolite "User:Khorshid/Misconceptions". I would appriciate if you {{db}}'ed it.
-- Cat 23:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- There is nothing political about it. Its just a list of misconceptions.Khosrow II 00:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I am sure the US president and/or Fox News would disagree. That makes it political. -- Cat 01:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- That makes no sense at all. Unless you have a convincing argument, I wont take it off.Khosrow II 03:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Look, it is all about perspective. That is what politics is about.
- I do not have time to "convince" you. It was a mere friendly advice.
- -- Cat 04:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- As long as I am not breaking any Wiki rules, I dont have to change something just because a person doesnt like it, because that doesnt make any sense, just dont look at my user page if your offended. If I am breaking any rules, please notify me and give me the link to the rule. Thanks.Khosrow II 04:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages is not a rule driven comunity we are not a burocracy. If you really are looking for a rule, it can be removed on the basis of wikipedia is NOT a soapbox. Exact quote you mau want to consider is: "You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views."
- Like I told you, I agree with some of the stuff you are saying there, so I am not offended. However I do feel that would be more approporate off-wikipedia.
- -- Cat 12:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- As long as I am not breaking any Wiki rules, I dont have to change something just because a person doesnt like it, because that doesnt make any sense, just dont look at my user page if your offended. If I am breaking any rules, please notify me and give me the link to the rule. Thanks.Khosrow II 04:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- That makes no sense at all. Unless you have a convincing argument, I wont take it off.Khosrow II 03:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I am sure the US president and/or Fox News would disagree. That makes it political. -- Cat 01:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- First of all, its sourced, second of all, Fox News or Bush may disagree on almost everything on Misplaced Pages, both are propagandists anyway. There is nothing political about my User page. You can contend that I cannot even have "I am a proud American and proud Iranian" on my user page on the basis of propaganda if you wanted to. I can probably find something that would seem political to me on many other user's wiki page, it would be pandamoniam.Khosrow II 14:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Contient templates
{{Africa}}
Hi Cool Cat,
- (moved Template:Countries and territories of Africa to Template:Africa: moving back to proper location)
Just noticed your move; please help me understand why "Africa" is this template's "proper location". Thanks, David Kernow (talk) 02:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, the intended function of the Continent template navboxes such as {{Africa}}, {{Europe}} etc. was to link to countries (defacto or not) on a spesific continent. There are several reasons for this. Two of the important reasons are:
- To limit the number of entities that appear on the template for practical purposes: There are way too many countries in africa.
- POV concerns: Some people decide to add random "territories" of contraversial regions. If official UN territories are allowed, unoficial ones must be allowed as per WP:NPOV which only creates problems.
- There are probably other reasons but I am at the moment focusing on these two.
- For teritories a seperate {{Teritories of Africa}} may be used.
- -- Cat 12:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, the intended function of the Continent template navboxes such as {{Africa}}, {{Europe}} etc. was to link to countries (defacto or not) on a spesific continent. There are several reasons for this. Two of the important reasons are:
- Thank you for your reply.
- Unfortunately, I don't see how the name "Africa" will dissuade folk intent on adding "entities" and/or territories to this template from doing so. Secondly, when found within code, {{Africa}} does not indicate what aspect/s of Africa the template addresses. As the template (still) carries countries and territories, {{Countries and territories of Africa}} seems particularly appropriate.
- You may not be aware that {{Navigation Template}} alone does not seem to accommodate smaller screen or window sizes, producing poor linewrap. That, at least, is the result here.
- As the region names are (currently) no longer aligned, distinguishing between each line of countries/territories is now not so straightforward. I suggest the small images further assisted this useful feature.
- I am copying the above to Template talk:Africa in the hope other folk may comment.
- Thank you for your reply.
- Ok. I'll try to sort this with you w/o involving other parties since so far you sound to be a reasonable person.
- The intention of contient templates have always been to link to political entities: countries (defacto or not). Yes the template does have teritories which is infact problematic.
- If we are to include a single teritory, we have to include all of them. Which may not be all that problematic for africa (since there arent that many border disputes in africa) but it is for asia, europe and etc. We have to apply the same standard to all continent templates.
- I have been meaning to remove (more like move) the continent links from the africa template but didnt really have had the time.
- I am not sure I understand that. Normaly there should not be a linewarp problem at all. The "navigation template" has a generic fixed div size. Can you provide a screenshot?
- I am inclined to remove the images with the continent names. They hare already hard to see. If they get any smaller (as they need to), they will become useless so we might as well remove them completely.
- The intention of contient templates have always been to link to political entities: countries (defacto or not). Yes the template does have teritories which is infact problematic.
- -- Cat 23:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ok. I'll try to sort this with you w/o involving other parties since so far you sound to be a reasonable person.
- Glad that I seem reasonable – so far...! <chuckle>
- The intention of contient templates have always been to link to political entities: countries...
- Understood. In that case, suggest these template names become {{Countries of X}}. Meanwhile, I'd steer away from referring to them as "political entities"; some folk may take exception to either or both these words, especially if they live in or know a "country" with a complicated history. (Perhaps this is so with yourself and Belgium...?)
- ...there should not be a linewarp problem at all ... Can you provide a screenshot?
- See Image:Screenshot showing template.jpg.
- I am inclined to remove the images with the continent names...
- The images may indeed be a cosmetic extra; first, though, I'm more concerned that, in a template such as {{Africa}}, it's now not so easy to see which line refers to which (compass-based) region, as both their alignment and thumbnail images have gone. Hope you understand what I mean.
- Yours, David (talk) 00:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Glad that I seem reasonable – so far...! <chuckle>
- Belgiums case is relatively straight forward when in contranst with places like the balkans or middle east. I intentionaly used the referance "politcal entities" since for instance Taiwan is no county as far as China is concerned. Infact China considers Taiwan to be a part of itself. Taiwan claims to be in control of all of mainald china and does not consider it to be a country. What is a country and what isn't can be very complicated by itself so we do not need "territories" and "wanabe countries" such as Scandinavia, Basque, Kurdistan, Assyria, Greater Armenia (last three overlaps actualy) and others on the continent templates.
- I'd like to evade a {{Countries of X}} since people will object to defacto countries then. It causes problems even though it shouldn't.
- I have updated template africa in a bold move. I intend to do the same to Oceania template. Removing images and teritories would fix the linewarp problem.
- -- Cat 01:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
(resetting indentation)
- I intentionaly used the referance "politcal entities" since...
I'm intrigued by your approach as the kind of examples that have arisen (Belgium, Taiwan, etc) are one reason why I feel avoiding descriptions such as "political" might be wise – this does not mean, however, that I'm opposed to your approach as (1) I'm still learning about it and (2) it may well be an improvement!
- I'd like to evade a {{Countries of X}}...
I hope you understand, however, my point that seeing say {{Africa}} while editing a page is not as useful as (say) {{Countries of Africa}} unless you already know (well) what the template contains. My experience thus far indicates that succinct but informative template names (or category names, or...) outweighs any misguided amendments people may or may not make to the templates themselves; if that were a significant problem, I'd discourage making it (too) easy for people to edit templates by including {{Tnavbar}}s in them! Also, a <noinclude> explanation on the template's could also serve to dissuade mistaken edits, or be something to which people could be referred.
- I have updated template africa in a bold move...
Now seen. Suggest for now that, as the country names are in a small font-size, the bullet-point dividers are correspondingly smaller, i.e. ·s. Also, recommend the syntax ] · to ensure consistent linewrapping. Yours, David (talk) 01:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I am merely trying to be carefull :) I wouldn't dare put "political entities" in the template, I merely use it for the sake of argument here.
- Perhaps that would be better given that logic. How about {{Countries in X}}?
- You are welcome to do all that however I don't particuarly understand the reason for  .
- -- Cat 01:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 1. Understood. I wonder if using "political entities" is wise in any context, but for now am happy to let that debate rest.
- Re 2. I believe the geographic / country subdivision preference is for "of", but may be mistaken; what knowledge I have of naming conventions etc etc is primarily via WP:CfD. Whether "in" or "of", however, either would make the template's name informative and can always be switched later.
- Re 3. Will do. The reason is to avoid divider characters (bullets, middots, vertical-lines) appearing at the beginnings of lines.
- Unless you fear making unnecessary contributions to these templates, perhaps what might be best is if you format them in the way you feel is most effective, then I (and hopefully others...) provide feedback...? Yours, David (talk) 01:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- PS Re divider characters, do you like me prefer middots or bullets as being less obtrusive than the vertical-line character...?
- Right.
- Happy to see that.
- I think both may be problematic. Cyprus is not in Europe noe is it a part of Europe while it is diplomaticaly considered a part of europe.
- Oh thats fine.
- I do not "fear" making edits. Just my enthusiasm had caused problems in the past. :)
- re P.S.: I'd prefer the larger circle (bullet I presume) over the other two. The verticle line may break the template and the smaller circle is harder to see, especialy on larger resolutions.
- -- Cat 02:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Right.
- Re 2. Perhaps it's best to stick with "of" for now, as this is the conjunction used by country subdivisions (cf WP:WPCSub).
- Re 4. I'll keep the templates I've found thus far on my watchlist (plus any similar I find subsequently) and when it looks as if no-one is making any more amendments to them, I'll let you know what I think. Here's another observation already: the {{Africa}} ({{Countries of Africa}}) template may now look compact, but it also looks dense; perhaps too dense. Perhaps some separation by region might assist people consulting it. Since it now includes the NavHead function, using a little more space might not necessarily be to its detriment. (Perhaps, however, the current non-stop string of countries is sufficient; I'm just sharing a thought that occurred to me which may be more relevant elsewhere.)
- Re PS: I was wondering how far your screen/window size and/or resolution might be influencing your formatting... For instance, here is how your talk page looks when I open it in my browser and jump to this discussion – somewhat to the right! (This is on a 21" monitor at resolution 1152 by 864 with my browser window (Firefox) maximiz/sed. Yes, switching off the sidebar will help, but I (and other folk) don't always wish to browse in this way.) I grant, however, that middots can appear too insubstantial; unfortunately, as was the case with {{Africa}}, bullets appear too boldly, detracting from their role as dividers. I had toyed with the idea of creating a {{·}} template to produced bold middot characters (·) but then thought the occurrence of many such templates (e.g. as would be the case in {{Africa}}) might make undue demands. On the other hand, I guess the vertical-line template {{!}} is used heavily... What do you think...? Do you reckon people would accept {{·}}...? Yours, David (talk) 02:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 2.:Well, honestly speaking I do not care either way. My only concern is people complaining later on.
- Re 4.:I merely listed them in an alphabetical manner. If there is a better way to do this, I wouldnt object to it provided we dont deal with territories again. :)
- Re P.S.: Whenever I design a template, I design it for a 800 x 600 resolution. I however causaly work with 1024 x 768.
- My userpage is unnecesarily wide atm due to an image on a debate a bit higher. (the 3rd solar system image I believe). Normaly it doesnt crate an issue. I'll correct this.
- I still think dark larger bullets ("•") would be better. They look fine to me. On my screen (17" - 1024 x 768) a <small>ified "·" is very hard to see. I believe it occupies a single pixel. So for all practical purposes, it is not there.
- -- Cat 02:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 2: Go with "of" and redirect any flak my way!
- Re 4: I'll let some time go by, then revisit the template (and siblings) in situ somewhere and see what I make of it. Re resolutions/current state of your talk page: understood.
- Re bullets etc: I agree that middot can seem too small or insubstantial. On the other hand, bullets seem to prominent, especially in templates using smaller-sized fonts. My preference in lieu of a character midway between them is the middot; but do you think a "bold middot" template {{·}} (producing ·) has any mileage...? Do you reckon you or other editors would balk at seeing (multiple instances of) this template within a template...? (Don't worry, I won't hold you to your answer; I'm just fishing for feedback...) Yours, David (talk) 03:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 2: I'll let you handle it. I cant be doing all of the work ;)
- Re 4: Thats fine.
- Re resolutions/current state of talk page: I restructured my talk page per your comment. For me, it is very important for pages I touch to appear perfect on all reasonable resolutions.
- Re bullets etc: The template is a nice idea. While I do not oppose/object (nor support) the template, from experience I know people will complain for it being redundent. They would argue that a {{.}} is practicaly the same amount of work as '''.'''
- -- Cat 04:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 2: Happy to oblige. (Is there a single category in which these templates reside...?)
- Talk page looks dandy now. (Hope your Wikimood improves soon!)
- Re middot template as redundant: Yes, I guess so... Perhaps I should give a trial on a non-major template and see how folk react...
- Before I forget: Thanks for your time and input to this thread. I appreciate the opportunity to understand something of people's Misplaced Pages experience. Best wishes, David (talk) 04:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 2: No such category but see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Countries/Templates/Navboxes. I would not mind if you "applied" {{Navigation Template}} to those footer templates.
- My wikimood can only improve if I run into more people like you. :)
- -- Cat 04:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re 2: I'll add Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Countries/Templates/Navboxes toward the top of my slightly-lengthy to-do list. by the time I reach, it'll probably also be a good moment to see how I feel about the {{|Countries of ]]}} templates. (As it was my request, I'll locate and rename these to "Countries of" during my next Misplaced Pages session.)
- Re wikimood: Ditto! Until my report back (or sooner), David (talk) 05:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
plus {{Oceania}}
I notice you have also amended this template in a similar manner. Unfortunately it too now suffers from unmanaged linewrap. However, distinguishing between each line should still be straightforward once this linewrap is addressed, as there is some alignment provided by the images and bold links. As with {{Africa}} above, {{Oceania}} does not indicate the template's content, so recommend {{Countries and territories of Oceania}} or the like.
Regards, David Kernow (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Copied to Template talk:Oceania.
- Same as above. It should be about countries only and w/o images. Same reasons. -- Cat 23:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- Understood; will therefore continue above only. David (talk) 00:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Iraqi Kurdistan
Why did you revert me? Iraqi Kurdistan as it is is a part of the federal body of Iraq. We certainly do not put {{North America}} on Michigan. -- Cat 14:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- I see no reason not to define Michigan as part of America, and - even more to the point - I see good reason to define Quebec as a distinct political entity within North America and not only as part of Canada. --Vindheim 16:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- How about individual counties, cities, and other regions? It is highly redundent to do so and against established concensus on the usage of these templates.
- You are welcome to define Iraqi kurdistan as a part of Middle east and asia or Michigan as a part of North America but you can do that with a simple sentence without using the template.
- If it is not linked on the table it really should not be used.
- -- Cat 16:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
spambot
it really wasn't that difficult; I noticed a link from an old thread you'd posted about the spambot in the AN archives. i clicked it and there was spam; so i put db-spam on and that was that. :-) —ptk✰fgs 00:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- It was so natural to you that you didn't notice... I stand corrected. -- Cat 00:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
{{Navigation Template}}
Hi again already, Cool Cat!
- (adding margins)
I did this as some of the country names in the templates using {{Navigation Template}} looked a little too close to the side of the NavFrame. Hope you approve. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 02:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
PS Since Misplaced Pages templates seem to use sentence-case, how about {{Navigation Template}} → {{Navigation template}} – or even simply {{Navigation}}...?
- Me likely. I made the move :P -- Cat 09:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply.
- Do you know the user Tasc...? Unfortunately I'm in the midst of a tricky situation with him/her as of this very moment. See here and his/her recent User
contributionsreversions... David (talk) 09:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC) - (For example, one of them was my adding margins to this template...)
- It is often unnecesarily stressfull to work on templates. I'll join the discussion. -- Cat 20:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- I really hope I don't regret drawing your attention to this user's behavio/ur. This is a Misplaced Pages first for me: it's less than 24 hours since I first came by this user and his/her self-centred posts and uncollaborative/incivil manner are already very perturbing. By all means let go if s/he starts refusing to communicate, which unfortunately I fear is a real possibility. I just hope s/he has a more mellow mood somewhere! Regards, David (talk) 22:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to help. Just keep your cool. -- Cat 00:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- David, let's move this discussion to your talk page, as you're one, who seem to be eager to continue communication. -- tasc deeds 22:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'd apriciate it if you would adress me on my talk page. -- Cat 00:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've got only templates for you. {{good night}} -- tasc deeds 00:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oyasuminasai Tasc-san. -- Cat 01:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I've got only templates for you. {{good night}} -- tasc deeds 00:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'd apriciate it if you would adress me on my talk page. -- Cat 00:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I really hope I don't regret drawing your attention to this user's behavio/ur. This is a Misplaced Pages first for me: it's less than 24 hours since I first came by this user and his/her self-centred posts and uncollaborative/incivil manner are already very perturbing. By all means let go if s/he starts refusing to communicate, which unfortunately I fear is a real possibility. I just hope s/he has a more mellow mood somewhere! Regards, David (talk) 22:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thanks
For your superb contribution to Turkish Airlines Flight 1476, I hereby award you this barnstar. Keep up the good work. -- Cat 15:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Cool Cat, i'll try to keep up the good work. İyi geceler --Ugur Basak 18:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages panel
Hi, I am organising a panel about wikipedia in Ankara Turkey 21 dec 2006 as a part of the larger internet conferance. I have compiled some of the information here. I am looking for a person to talk about the foundation. I originaly had Anthere in mind but she seems to be somewhat busy. While she did not decline, I realy have to have a plan B option. Do you have anyone in mind (including yourself) that you could reccomend for the task? -- Cat
- i'd love to discuss the possibilities and have some ideas in mind, maybe we should irc or email about it first? grtz, oscar 00:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair use images in lists
Hello, I see you have contributed your thoughts to Misplaced Pages talk:Fair use/Fair use images in lists. It's been dead for a while, but I have archived it and taken a new fresh start. I hope this time we will be able to achieve something as I have summarized the main points of both sides (feel free to improve them) and I call you to express your support or oppose on the concrete proposal that I have formulated. Thanks, Renata 02:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
November
Transmutation circle
Hello there. -- Cat 08:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Huh? State Alchemist 16:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not to sound rude or anything, but what was that all about? So confused...o_O State Alchemist 16:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say hi to a fellow fullmetal fan. :) -- Cat 16:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I assume you spotted either A: My username B: Me in a category page, or C: One of my userboxes (least likely.) State Alchemist 22:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I actualy noticed your userbox first. I noticed your username at random while accidentaly viewing the entier wikipedia edit feed. ;) -- Cat 19:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I assume you spotted either A: My username B: Me in a category page, or C: One of my userboxes (least likely.) State Alchemist 22:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say hi to a fellow fullmetal fan. :) -- Cat 16:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Not to sound rude or anything, but what was that all about? So confused...o_O State Alchemist 16:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah, the Fullmetal box, automail box, or just me playing with them in general? State Alchemist 20:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I do not remember but you were probably doing something irrelevant to fullmetal or your userboxes. Likely your edits to Bahaumaunt's userspace. Like I said I noticed it randomly. -- Cat 01:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Lol yeah I play with her page a fair bit. Oh well, nice to meet a Fullmetal Fan like I. State Alchemist 18:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Ping!
Two new issues here when you have a moment – apologies in advance if the second is something simple I've overlooked. Hope all well, David Kernow (talk) 13:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
MADLAX
Hello, fellow MADLAX fan. :) I've noticed you've put following into the template: "Someday, somewhere, anytime, anyplace." Is it a quote I don't recognize? :) More importantly, as you may have noticed, I have recently translated the Russian featured article about MADLAX, and now I'd really like to know your opinion. :) --Koveras 17:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- The quote is from the "yammani" theme song. I'll review the russian translation later. -- Cat 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, now I remember, thank you. :) It's just that I don't particularly like "nowhere". %) As for the translation, unfortunately, I must inform you that my request is outdated by now. :( --Koveras 20:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
bot help?
hey, there's no bot reporting in vandalism-en-wp. Can you help? Thanks much, delldot | talk 14:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- Me and my bot has been banned from that channel indefinately as per essjays supreme authority. I cannot join that channel.
- The bots code requires the channel name to be spesific. I can gladly provide bot assistance if the original channel ( #wikipedia-en-vandalism ) becomes avalible again. Otherwise the code wouldn't work.
- -- Cat 19:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!
For reverting the vandalism on Kurdish literature. Çok Teşekürler :)Heja Helweda 04:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- Anytime. :) -- Cat 05:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hahahhahha!!!
for Image:Spyware infestation.png. That is GREAT!! 68.39.174.238 03:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Re FLC
It's hard to promote something that had no supports whatsoever. Sorry. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 16:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar
You may be interested in this discussion Talk:Barnstar#Straw_poll. --evrik 15:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
StarCraft
Do you play? Fredil 21:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, unfortunately a bit too much perhaps. -- Cat 03:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- What's your favourite race? I like Zerg – good for hydra rushing. 120 Hydras, only carriers can stop em :P Fredil 00:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Stroop image
I saw you put this up for deletion over at the commons. The source is very clearly given as NARA and that picture is available on the microfiche of his service record...I have personaly seen it since I work for that agency. I would suggest removing the deletion tag from the image its public domain by every definition as an image owned by a U.S. government agency, -Husnock 06:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- It was nominated for speedy deletion (for not having sources). By converting it to regular deletion I managed to delay the process a bit since I trust you. :) I am trying to rescue it not get it deleted.
- Would it be possible to somehow source the image to that (maybe a specific number leading to his service record) or better a web reference? My hands are tied by commons policy requiring citation.
- -- Cat 12:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Template:Navigation/Re #Template:Navigation
Mind restoring the default colors (I cant due to protection). It was lost in a revert perhaps. . If people want any color, they can set it. Ice blue was the most widely used color at the time of the templates creation, thats why I made it the default (and its a nice color :P). Thanks. -- Cat 23:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi again Cool Cat,
- Sure; have just done so – but if folk disapprove, I think I ought to return it to #eee and create a survey to see if there's a consensus as to the preferred default colo/ur. Hope that's okay. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 01:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Mmm... Ok. Though, it is an optional parameter... there shouldn't be a reason for people to complain IMHO... :/ -- Cat 07:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- An objection has appeared here on {{Navigation}}'s talk page, so per the above I've returned the colo/ur to #eee and set up a survey to see if any consensus pertains. Regards, David (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- ...Have posted notifications re the survey here and here (Community bulletin board | News). Let's hope a consensus emerges! Yours, David (talk) 05:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Merhaba?
İyi günler attığım email geldi mi ? Buluşma hakkında kontak kurmaya çalışmıştım. --Nerval 13:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Evet, cevap yazdim -- Cat 14:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Awards News
There are several issues that the WikiProject needs to address.
- Do we need a coordinator (or more than one) to coordinate our efforts and act as an arbiter? Please place your thoughts here.
- Could someone work on archiving the talk page Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Awards?
- Do we need to develop better guidelines for the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject awards?
- Finally, could you please weigh in on the following discussions so we can move them to conclusion:
Sincerely, --evrik 02:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- I nominated myself (kinda)
- Done
- I believe common sense works best for this since barnstarts are meant to be unofficial.
- Sure.
- Commented there.
- Commented there.
- Commented there long before your talk page post. :P
- Sincerity!
- -- Cat 11:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Islamic barnstar query
If I may butt in on this one... subsuming Islam under "religion" because it's "too specific" strikes me as analogous to subsuming baseball, basketball, football, etc. under "sports," or chemistry, physics, astronomy, psychology, etc. under "science." We don't do that because expertise in one of those areas doesn't necessarily translate into the other areas. Similarly, expertise concerning Islam does not automatically imply expertise regarding Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, etc. So "Islam" is appropriate as a category, and an "Islamic barnstar" (or Jewish, Buddhist, etc.) is an appropriate recognition for specific expertise and Wiki contributions.
Hope this is helpful. -- Rob C (Alarob) 18:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree.
- :)
- -- Cat 18:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
OK. I'd be interested to know on what grounds you disagree. -- Rob C (Alarob) 16:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Of course there are other reasons than the ones I specified. I'll give you some.
- Using your analogy:
- For starters, Islamic barnstar is more like a barnstar award for Chicago Bulls related articles. It is too specific...
- Basketball is a vast and dynamic topic with an increasing number of articles. For instance, you have articles about individual players. Thats a +500 new articles per generation for players alone with the assumption that only each US state has one and only one basketball team (with 10 players) notable enough to be on Misplaced Pages. Islam is on the other hand a static topic. It isn't like there are 500 new prophets or any other notable developments in Islam (or any religion for that matter).
- Religion is a bit of a complicated topic. It is fairly easy to distinguish tennis from basketball. Very unlikely for them to have any related articles. But same can't be said about religion. Many articles such as Adam, Angel, God, Devil talk about same thing portrayed in different religions.
- We want wikipedia to be a united community. Barnstar awards should reflect that and should not be in any way controversial. It would be silly to create a "anti-working mans barnstar" since that isn't a valid topic. "Anti-islam" or "Anti-Christianity" and etc can be valid topics. Do you get what the prospective problems are?
- I can list more reasons... But these should be adequate.
- -- Cat 16:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't find any of these reasons convincing. Here is why:
- The analogy with the Chicago Bulls assumes that religions (like Buddhism, Islam, etc.) are competitors in a game called "religion." To me, that does not describe reality. (I grant you that there may be some believers who feel this way. But are they typical? Not in my experience.)
- Islam (or any other religion) is not "a static topic." Here's an example, just drawing on my own contribs to Misplaced Pages: Farid Esack. It's not just that this is a bio of a living person, but that his thought is not static although grounded in traditional Islamic learning.
- Sure, some articles overlap different traditions. The same goes for or the contested term football or the objects called bat and ball. That doesn't preclude barnstars for specific sports, so I don't see the case for abolishing them from religions.
- I do not see how a barnstar for a particular religion is necessarily controversial or "anti" another religion. Naturally, recipients of these barnstars would have to abide by the rules and principles of the community. But this goes for scientists and athletes as much as for believers in God.
I get the prospective problems, but do not see them as grounds for prohibition. That's where I'm coming from. -- Rob C (Alarob) 17:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- If there are prospective problems, than that makes it an inapproporate barnstar. This isn't a prohibition thing. Think of the atheists receiving the barnstar... A general religion award would not cause any such problem and would serve the same purpose. -- Cat 17:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
On looking at the list of barnstars I see that categories are indeed very broad (e.g.., there is no "physics" or "football" barnstar). I've been proceeding on the assumption that your position is that any "Islam" award should be prohibited. But maybe that's not what you're saying.
If you're proposing that there should be a barnstar for "Religion" to go with the ones for history, culture, math/science, etc., then I'm with you 100%. I also agree that at that level there is no need for a barnstar pertaining to a specific religion.
Moreover, a broad-category barnstar on religion would recognize editors who work on more than one. An "Islam" award should be handled at the WikiProject level or below. -- Rob C (Alarob) 18:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Orphaned fair use image (Image:Oh My Goddess TV DVD Vol 09.png)
Thanks for uploading Image:Oh My Goddess TV DVD Vol 09.png. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Misplaced Pages and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).
If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr.) 22:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Template:Time
I dislike what is happening. There is no reason for this. And where is this discussion? -- Cat 07:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that the bot made a mistake on this page. There was no discussion, but I found it quite important and obvious to remove it after user comments. The problem is that it provides misleading information if used after a post. If I signed this comment with {{time}}, today it would look like I signed November 20 (which is true), but next week it would look like I signed November 27 (which is obviously wrong). It can be used for other purposes, but should not be used after comments on talk pages. —Mets501 (talk) 11:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah that I have no problem with. I actually have reviewed your bots activity and realized the main reason for the thing. Tho a lot of people use the time template like I have. Anyways, thanks for the janitor duty but in the future be a bit more careful. :) -- Cat 13:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Just so you know...
Someone has re-created User talk:Cool Cat/Archive/2005/02/. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 01:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Keep up the good work ! :) -- Cat 11:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Image tagging for Image:United_(ENT_episode).jpg
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::poke::
If you make a list of the Star Trek images you tagged needing fair use rationales then I will go through them and review them the best I can. Matthew Fenton (talk · contribs · count · email) 14:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sure! I'd like to thank you for making more of an effort at discourse than Cool Cat (talk · contribs) did above; with an accusatory tone and no reply, I was unsure of what course of action to take. See below.
- Image:Kirk001.jpg
- Image:Kirk spock.jpg
- Image:TNG crew.jpg
- Image:STDS9 cast season 5-6.jpg
- Image:EnterpriseCast.jpg
- Image:STARFLEETEMBLEM.jpg
- Image:Starfleet command emblem.png
- Image:Voyager OF4.png
- Image:Voyager_OF3.png
- Image:Voyager OF2.png
- Image:Voyager OF1a.png
- Image:Voyager OF1b.png
- Image:29th century star trek Of 5.jpg
- Image:29th century star trek Of 4.jpg
- Image:29th century star trek Of 3.jpg
- Image:29th century star trek Of 2.jpg
- Image:29th century star trek Of 1a.jpg
- Image:29th century star trek Of 1b.jpg
- Image:Voyager OF5.png
- Image:Ent En 3.png
- Image:Ent En 2.png
- Image:Ent En 1.png
- Image:ISS Enterpirse OF5.png
- Image:ISS Enterpirse OF8,10.png
- Image:ISS Enterpirse OF4.png
- Image:ISS Enterpirse OF3.png
- Image:ISS Enterpirse OF2.png
- Image:ISS Enterpirse OF1.png
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 9.gif
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 5.gif
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 4.gif
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 3.gif
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 2.gif
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 1a.gif
- Image:Star Trek The Next Generation, Alternate OF 1b.gif
- Image:Bajoran Logo.png
- Image:Cardassian Logo.png
- Image:Klingon Logo.png
- Image:Romulan Logo.png
- These are all the images that had something wrong with them. The majority were missing detailed fair-use rationales, and a few were missing sources IIRC. I've linked the images themselves, and the full link to the edits I made to them at the time. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. — pd_THOR | 14:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
- This isn't the preferred fair use image process. Those images were uploaded before the rule was implemented. If you'd like to help, feel free to add a rationale to any of the images. After all you are not a bot. :)
- Mass tagging as you are doing creates lots and lots of problems... I know you are only trying to help and I more than respect that... For instance it is using orphan bots valuable resources on something entierly avoidable. Furthermore it is not "helping" anyone but instead cluttering the system. Someone will need to further review the case as a result. It is much easier for you to add a rationale rather than a copyvio template.
- Hope this helps. And an additional note, I deal with 4 wikis, 1 wikimania 2008 bid, and other things such as putting a satellite in orbit. If you desire a response from me in a timely manner, it would be best if you also used my talk page.
- -- Cat 17:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I do not like the tone of your remarks about me you have above. I am not the enemy. -- Cat 17:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- The "preferred fair use image process"; I'm not sure what you mean by that. You're correct when you say that the images were uploaded before the rule was implemented, but that does not make them retroactively exempt from the rule, it only makes them inapplicable for speedy deletion. That's why I used {{fair use disputed}} as opposed to {{no rationale}}. As for "if I'd like to help": I can't add a detailed fair-use rationale to many of the tagged images as I don't feel they fall under fair-use. Instead of nominating their deletion in my belief, I'm only disputing it and thereby allowing somebody else the opportunity to provide their rationale.
Lots and lots of problems? The images I've tagged with {{fair use disputed}} aren't handled by OrphanBot (talk · contribs), only those which are violating the longer-standing and more important rules requiring sourcing and licensing for all images. Not having requisite sourcing and licensing isn't something I believe should be dealt with leniently and fully appreciate the bot's functioning with. Not having sources or licensing isn't "entirely avoidable"; unless provided by the uploader, this can be nigh on impossible to determine at times. Lastly, it is, in fact, easier to tag the image as not complying with standards than to invent a detailed fair-use rationale for images which I do not feel apply.
Congratulations. I'm very impressed. I need to vacuum my rug, drop some stuff off at Goodwill this afternoon, and wash my dishes; I'm glad you're keeping busy too. I'll poke you on your talkpage to let you know I replied here; odd, my watchlist seems to be working w/o any problems though.
I'm also sorry you don't like my tone. Communicating over a textual medium makes intent, innuendo, and subtlety difficult to discern. As such, I usually try to limit myself to facts and observations as I did when referencing your actions. Speaking of, as you believe in the propriety of many of these images: following your advice shouldn't you amend the images duly, as opposed to simply "rv"ing the factual and legitimate tags already in place — they seem to be appropriately placed, and yet you simply remove my efforts w/o making any of your own in their place. That seems counter-productive. — pd_THOR | 18:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- As a newer wikipedian you probably have a manageable watchlist. I on the other hand do not. I do not want to monitor the tens of thousands of articles and images I have been involved with unless there is a really good reason. I neither have the time or patience with that kind of a thing, nobody does so please do not expect it from people.
- Misplaced Pages is not a bureaucracy. Rules are not to be followed to the letter. You should never be using alternative processes simply to delete images unless there is a serious problem with the copyrights of the said image(s). In addition, you are required to notify unloader of every image uploaded prior to 13 July 2006: Misplaced Pages:Fair_use#Exceptions. But that may not be good enough at times.
- Among the images you have tagged are Kirks promotional photo used in an article about star trek uniforms as well as the show Kirk stared on. What is it there that is so hard to write a rationale about? The first two bullets of the template is met isn't it? We should be careful and slow in applying these newer rules to the older images so as not to needlessly compromise wikipedias content.
- On wikipedia a key policy is WP:AGF. What you are telling me is in contradictory with it.
- In sum, please share the workload rather than mass tagging any image you see without a rationale.
- -- Cat 14:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- :^) A "newer" Wikipedian?: non sequitur, your facts are uncoordinated. When you say "rules are not to be followed to the letter", I assume you are referring to WP:IAR?
You say not to use "alternative processes", but these tags are developed and utilized for a reason: it then follows that using them in the fashion for which they were designed isn't non-standard. Additionally, who/what is unloader?
I believe this image would only qualify as fair-use for James T. Kirk, not starfleet uniforms or Star Trek: The Original Series which are the two articles it is used in. As such, I cannot provide a detailed fair-use rationale for those uses; if somebody else believes that this image can be legitimately used somewhere, then they can provide the required rationale — if nobody can or will, the image is both unnecessary and possibly detrimental. Am I assuming ... bad faith? I don't feel I'm assuming any intent whatsoever; I'm tagging images which are lacking required information regardless of whoever uploaded it or what their intent may have been. I can assume that the contributer had good intentions when they uploaded the image, but that assumption does not precipitate the need for such images to be corrected or later deleted. I usually assume good faith.
Finding poorly sourced and/or licensed images and then tagging them appropriately is an important process for maintaining the legal integrity of Misplaced Pages; I share this workload with many other users. — pd_THOR | 15:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- With less than 5000 edits I'd consider you quite new. The fact that you didn't even notify me about your post shows your inexperience. Majority of your contribution seems to be nothing but tagging random fairuse images for deletion.
- "rules are not to be followed to the letter" is not IAR its how we do things on wikipedia. All rules should be followed to the spirit not letter.
- You have forced me to sacrifice valuable sleep time for something stupid with your complete apathy. Thank you. Although I do not believe you care at all for what I have to say but here it is...
- I have tagged (copy/pasted) fairuse rationales as you practically ordered me to. This was MOST unpleasant for me as stated above.
- I ask you, how am I supposed to discuss rank insignias WITHOUT displaying them whenever relevant? How am I supposed to discuss uniforms WITHOUT displaying them? Please use common sense when thinking about a rationale.
- With what you are doing, you are not maintaining wikipedias legal integrity at all, you could simply add the rationales I have added rather than waisting my time...
- -- Cat 00:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- :^) A "newer" Wikipedian?: non sequitur, your facts are uncoordinated. When you say "rules are not to be followed to the letter", I assume you are referring to WP:IAR?
- The "preferred fair use image process"; I'm not sure what you mean by that. You're correct when you say that the images were uploaded before the rule was implemented, but that does not make them retroactively exempt from the rule, it only makes them inapplicable for speedy deletion. That's why I used {{fair use disputed}} as opposed to {{no rationale}}. As for "if I'd like to help": I can't add a detailed fair-use rationale to many of the tagged images as I don't feel they fall under fair-use. Instead of nominating their deletion in my belief, I'm only disputing it and thereby allowing somebody else the opportunity to provide their rationale.
- I do not like the tone of your remarks about me you have above. I am not the enemy. -- Cat 17:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Jellybeans
Jelly Beans for you.. I am being weird today and I decided to give some to a Random Person to hopefully make people a little bit happier.. Enjoy these Jelly Beans.. (I Like the Lime ones)
An Apple a day keeps -The Doctor- Away.. Or does it! 02:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- As long as it keeps a fleet of daleks away, I am fine with it. Thank you. -- Cat 23:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Don't worry.. It usually does.. But I can't make any promises.. --An Apple a day keeps -The Doctor- Away.. Or does it! 23:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
MKA
Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. Must 18:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Orphaned fair use image (Image:Gan-chan with Belldandy.png)
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commons:Image:DF-SD-05-12735.jpg
Can you provide a source and license for this? -- Cat 21:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I did not put a source on the image my mistake, but when I try to put a source on the image it won’t let met. The correct source is “Source: www.defenselink.mil”, if you can put it on the image. --D.Kurdistani 23:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- That isn't an acceptable source. I need a link to the page the image appears on. I also need a license. -- Cat 23:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- Below is the correct information you can put on the image, but I still can’t put that on the image my self or I don’t have access to it. --D.Kurdistani 23:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- That isn't an acceptable source. I need a link to the page the image appears on. I also need a license. -- Cat 23:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- You probably need an account to make the necessary moifications
- I have added that info but the URL you provided doesn't seem to be working.
- I would encourage you to upload such images directly to commons in the future.
- -- Cat 23:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- The URL is below. --D.Kurdistani 00:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for your cooperation. I have made the necessary modifications. You may like commons:Massoud Barzani -- Cat 18:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Cooperation board launched
A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Defend this with your Wiki-Life
User:Durin has indicated his aims of targeting images on Starfleet ranks, again one of the foolish people who believes Paramount has a copyright on three circles in a row or two stripes on top of one another. This guy is very determined and could do SERIOUS damage to the Starfleet ranks article. In fact, I'm sure he would take great pleasure from doing so since I have been so deeply involved with the article. As I am deployed, I may not be here to defend and protect this artcle which we have worked so hard to create. Defend this article with your Wiki-Life! I have sent a request to the Nogri to visit Durin's house but they have not responded (busy doing other things). -Husnock 18:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- I sent you an email. -- Cat 18:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I got it. Some joker also just put up the conjectured ranks article for deletion. I think it might be bad faith...since the "this article's entry" page is completely blank and doesnt give a reason for a VfD (at least, not yet). -Husnock 11:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- As we've both seen, the page is now up and running. This is horrifying that people on Misplaced Pages would do this. The page is full of "I just don't like this and thats why it should be deleted." comments I seriosly wonder if a couple of users put thier heads togehter to do this since we have seen VfDs on two Star Trek rank articles in the past few days as well as reverts and deletions to other rank articles like Fleet captain; all of this happening in quick succession. -Husnock 12:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- I am not happy with it. I am thinking of rfcs and rfars but I already experienced how useless dispute resolution process is. If only you weren't stuck in the gulf. But in reality, I am not too terribly concerned. Once you return we can sort this mess.
- -- Cat 12:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- As we've both seen, the page is now up and running. This is horrifying that people on Misplaced Pages would do this. The page is full of "I just don't like this and thats why it should be deleted." comments I seriosly wonder if a couple of users put thier heads togehter to do this since we have seen VfDs on two Star Trek rank articles in the past few days as well as reverts and deletions to other rank articles like Fleet captain; all of this happening in quick succession. -Husnock 12:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm doing what I can to fix this...no need to fire all phasers snce we clearly dont want the main rank article deleted. -Husnock 12:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
temp page
User:Coolcat/P142: do you still need it? `'mikkanarxi 17:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- I do want to work on it since the current version on Armenian Genocide is depressingly biased. Even making a simple edit to the article causes havoc. I haven't had the time to work on it and several people "owning" the Armenian Genocide article is still problematic... I have however moved the page to my "new" username. -- Cat 00:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't go
I saw your note on the deletion page. I would urge you to stick around despite the occasional aggravations that occur around here. Take a break if you need it but I hope you'll return and resume contributing. Newyorkbrad 17:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, I intend to permanently depart when the afd storm settles on trek related articles. En.wiki is unworkable for me.
- I am tired of dealing with people whose entire existence is to troll and/or destroy peoples hard work by dancing with any policy, guideline, or essay that may be remotely relevant.
- I will only return when wikipedia become friendly. Misplaced Pages is a troll heaven.
- -- Cat 09:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
December
List of Serial Experiments Lain episodes
I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article List of Serial Experiments Lain episodes, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Misplaced Pages, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:List of Serial Experiments Lain episodes. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. - Basically, with the recent improvement of the main Serial Experiments Lain, the episode list is a duplicate of the information. Sorry if this causes you any grief.Malkinann 21:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Please do not prod that page nor try to get it deleted. The duplicate info can be removed from the article can be removed but see List of Planetes episodes. I had been meaning to nominate that for a "featured" status. I will do so soon. -- Cat 23:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- All of the article is duplicated on the main SEL page, though... I won't prod it further, but you might want to confer with User:$yD! on what exactly is going to happen with regards to the episode list, and the main Serial Experiments Lain article, which is currently in FA nomination. - Malkinann 23:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- I do not see a reason to further discuss. And please do not get that the wrong way, I just feel this would satisfy all parties involved. I will put a note to the main lain page to explain my actions but I think he would prefer having two featured articles/lists. I'll however wait for that FAC to conclude and nominate the episode list after it for FL. -- Cat 23:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- All of the article is duplicated on the main SEL page, though... I won't prod it further, but you might want to confer with User:$yD! on what exactly is going to happen with regards to the episode list, and the main Serial Experiments Lain article, which is currently in FA nomination. - Malkinann 23:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Star Trek Insignia
Thanks for updating the page. I personally am intriqued by the subject but lack the knowledge and wanted to save the article before it gets deleted. Agathoclea 08:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Starfleet_alternate_ranks_and_insignia drama?
I'm confused by your repeated use of the word "drama". Is there something inherently dramatic about redirects that I'm not seeing? Friday (talk) 21:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I continue to be very curious at your use of the word "drama" in this case. Are you using this word to mean "something I disagree with"? Friday (talk) 17:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Starfleet Security
Of extreme interest is that one of the people heavily involved with the deletion votes of both the Warrant Officer and the alternate ranks article showed up within 5 minutes of my working on this article, blanking parts of it and challenging the sources on all of it. I've asked that user to tone it down, I think there might be some personal feeling at work here. Will this never end? Anyway, your help on this new article would be welcome. -Husnock 20:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I recommend arbitration. WP:HA is not tolerated if thats the case. I am sorry but the other guys do not care about what I have to say and frankly I am sick and tired of repeating myself to them. -- Cat 20:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
This is now to the level that I am trying not to laugh. How can one seriously propose deletion of this article? Do these people not like the articles, not like us, or a bit of both? You are so right what you said on the page. It is the same people, the same type of articles, and yes they are making a mess. In this case, however, I am hoping the AfD gets laughed out of court. -Husnock 21:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- You know... this series of incidents almost reminds me the nature of my medical emergency (rfar #2). Were these guys following you around or attacking star trek articles randomly? -- Cat 21:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- makes for interesting reading! --Moby 10:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
BA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Thats what I did when I saw that these people have nominated YET ANOTHER article for deletion. Who are they trying to fool? -Husnock 00:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- They can nominate the entire star trek franchise as far as I care... If they really want to destroy their own credibility that badly, how can I prevent them?
- In 15 days from now if this nonsense continues as it is going on now, I will compile it in the form of evidence and let arbcom review it. With my estimate that would mean over two dozens of deletions.
- -- Cat 00:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
- I gave a blow by blow description of what has been happening going all the way back to the one user who was constantly removing stuff from the Fleet captain article. This is now on the deletion page for Starfleet JAG Corps. If you go to ArbCom, I'm sure this material will be helpful. -Husnock 20:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Saved the day
Law in Star Trek appears saved and I can't believe a sensable editor would delete Starfleet Security. don't care what otehrs may say, that AfD was bad faith as Starfleet Security is extremely notable and has existed in every franchise of Star Trek. Looked like our articles are saved. I hope. -Husnock 06:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
The Star Trek Encyclopedia
Hi, this is a sanity check thing. Either the majority is wrong or I am right... I asked the same question to several people... Would it be OR research to cite Star Trek Encyclopedia as source? -- Cat 21:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- It is impossible to answer such a generalised question as it depends what exactly the claim being made is. I have cited the Encyclopedia for things in the past, generally real-life behind the stage info that it is a reliable source for. Drawing your own conclusions from things the a source says, then citing it, is still original research, regardless of whether the s source is the Encyclopedia or the episodes themselves. Morwen - Talk 21:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- To be more specific the claim is that Star Trek Encyclopedia is a "self-publication" and hence not meeting "WP:RS". -- Cat 21:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I do not see any such claim there. I see a claim that you are citing the Encyclopedia for things it does not actually say. You would do well to acknowledge and address the point actually raised, rather than misreading what is being said and addressing that, people might think you are using strawmen arguments. Morwen - Talk 21:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am citing the encyclopedia for the rank insignias. They are there, are they not? Have I mis-cited any? (I am seriously requesting you to verify, I do have my copy). As for the "text" there is room for work of course, but an AFD wasn't even necessary for that... -- Cat 22:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- I do not see any such claim there. I see a claim that you are citing the Encyclopedia for things it does not actually say. You would do well to acknowledge and address the point actually raised, rather than misreading what is being said and addressing that, people might think you are using strawmen arguments. Morwen - Talk 21:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
- To be more specific the claim is that Star Trek Encyclopedia is a "self-publication" and hence not meeting "WP:RS". -- Cat 21:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Mergification
Moving JAG into the main Starfleet article was probably a good idea, and the various other discrete offices -- eg Medical, Intelligence -- could probably also stand to be similarly cut-and-pasted. If you're up for it, might as well do that before someone decides to slap an AfD on those, too.
That said, I'm not sure a merge is always the best solution. The recently-merged warrant officer material in the alternate ranks article, for instance, is encumbered by OR/uncited information that still needs cleaning up. By placing that OR/uncited material in the alt. ranks article, it is now to another vector of attack and criticism -- and it's shaky enough as is (but less so than it was a few days ago). --EEMeltonIV 01:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Merging is a good solution. Bad faith nominations as it happened on alternate rank article will happen anyways. The Warrant officer thing annoyed me greatly. Its covert deletion in my view is unacceptable.
- Lots of material on wikipedia had been written before citation became important. The correct way of correcting such problems is to properly cite the article, not afd.
- I will be merging some of those... Not all though. Starfleet Security is too large for example.
- -- Cat 02:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
WP:NPA WP:CIVIL WP:TROLL m:dick
Hi, I urge you to read those pages. Your conduct violates a combination of those. -- Cat 06:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Would you mind citing anything specific, or are you one of these people who like to scream "NPA" and "troll" anytime someone opposes you? --Elaragirl 06:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the answer to your question is self apperant.
- is just one example. You aren't swearing alright but your tone is irritating. State what you need to say while avoiding the "flowery irritating" tone.
- -- Cat 07:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am going to strongly suggest you do yourself a favor and don't go any further along this line of reasoning. You are going to put yourself in a situation where you are flinging mud at people for giving someone a grudging complement. Look up pithy before you claim I'm acting in a uncivil manner, and while you're at it, perhaps you could explain why you continually assume bad faith, badger people about votes, engage in blatant misstatements, vote keep without a single recourse to policy except WP:ILIKEIT, and your own tone is patronizing, dismissive of anyone who disagrees with you, and evocative of someone who sees anyone who is not possessed of your brilliance as article-deleting thug. Please stop. --Elaragirl 07:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- (sighs tiredly) I will say to you what I have said to others. If you feel I have made a personal attack, you are free to report it to WP:PAIN. Please be aware that since I am very aggressive I am very familiar with WP:NPA and I know the precise limits to which I can and cannot go. I am sorry you cannot accept criticism and that you seem to hold unilateral action higher than policy and consensus, but you warning JzG against personal attacks when he didn't make one clearly illustrates to me that you have zero understanding of the difference between disagreement and attack. --Elaragirl 07:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- I find your statement amusing in it's autocratic tone. However, as per diffs above, I wish to remind you. Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Elaragirl 08:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC) (previously unsigned
RfC
If you're going to file one you might want to read the instructions. —Doug Bell 09:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- Can you be a bit more spesific? -- Cat 09:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
A comment...
Don't go: you've been a positive contributor for a long time, and it would be sad to see you go! --SunStar Net 00:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Unblocked
I've unblocked you. Please chill, Cat Out. Bishonen | talk 01:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
- Cool Cat. This ain't cool man. If the problem is this than you just need a 24h break. Just forget about the issue and let it go. -- Szvest
12:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- "I am saddened to see you leave. I never noticed you before as you are too fast of an anti vandal person. I sincerely encourage you to come back. I hope this is a temprorary wiki-vacation." --Cool Cat 15:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Sorry to see you leave
Sorry to see you leave, we have never came into contact with each other but I have noticed your supreme bad luck with RFA's and if you were too have another i'd have voted Support
†he Bread 09:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
regarding Moby Dick
Just in case you decide not to leave, it would be best not to attract people trolling you by not mentioning old matters in your edits. My case for blocking him, although justifiable, remains arguable by his friends, which is part of the reason I only blocked him for a week and not the full month allowed by the Arbcom Case. Bastiq▼e 19:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Houston, we have a problem
Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Civility was clearly ridiculous. What's going on here? Friday (talk) 08:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Do you want a long or short answer? -- Cat 08:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I imagine it's complicated- please explain as much as you wish. I see no reason for a block tho- do you? If you can work things out without further disruption, I think minimal harm has been done. Friday (talk) 08:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- My intention is not disruption, on the contrary. I just do not see a workable way to point out a fundamental flaw with our community.
- It actually isn't very complicated. Like the Kelly Martin section on your talk page, incivility has started to even come from our exemplary contributors (such as Kelly Martin). Incivility has became a norm and civil people are almost punished for it.
- An example is Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Elaragirl. Not only were people disagreeing with me (I am not pissed that people disagreeing with me), their defense was counter accusations for things I have done over a year ago and people "endorsed" that.
- This isn't just about the RfC but a much more serious problem with wikipedia-wide implications. I do not know where to "discuss" it. I am actualy hesitant to even discuss it because of the number of trolls I am dealing with.
- -- Cat 08:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm all ears when it comes to people kicking around ideas about how to deal with systemic problems. Discussion by itself is rarely harmful- if you're not sure where it belongs, start here on your talk page and once the idea is more developed, post it somewhere else too. I personally keep a scratchpad of half-developed ideas- that might work too. I agree with you on incivility being a widespread problem- I myself was needlessly rude a few times recently and I'm sure this did not improve my ability to communicate. However I think most reasonable editors realize we're all just human. If we make a mistake, we can always say "oops, I messed up" and try to do better next time. I hope not too many people would hold this against us. Friday (talk) 09:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- More than one incivility per month makes Wikipe-tan cry. The problem is some people make a habit of it which just depresses Wikipe-tan.
- Another reason why we have so much incivility is that several editors (such as myself) are kept on the edge all the time by various trolls. On private discussion people can easily identify trolling but very rarely do they ever react to it when it is staring at them in the face publicaly.
- The strategy is to bore off the trolls which is not a working one, wikipedia is too popular for that. Once a troll finally goes away, a new one or ten comes in its place. Its a never ending circle that needs to be disrupted. There are two types of trolls, content trolls and forking trolls. And I am not even referencing to content trolls, those are a different story.
- I think there are multiple aspects to the problem. What do you think?
- -- Cat 09:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's an ongoing struggle. If there was an easy answer, we'd already know it by now. I've seen the same thing you've seen- the more people are in a position to deal with such troublemakers, the more they tend to see people as troublemakers. I've seen respected editors accused of trolling by other respected editors. All I can recommend is that we keep an eye on ourselves and each other, and if someone needs to take a break, they should do so. Friday (talk) 18:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Um... There can be an easy answer.
- User:MONGO seems to be also leaving. While I have no clue about the details of his case, I know that we value trolls above anything else on wikipedia. Trolls are treated like archangels. Blocking trolls is like a deadly sin instead of being a common practice. Trolling seems to be "hard to prove" even if it is common knowledge.
- The main problem is not "good" contributors that turned "bad" but "bad" contributors who were always "bad".
- -- Cat 19:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- It's an ongoing struggle. If there was an easy answer, we'd already know it by now. I've seen the same thing you've seen- the more people are in a position to deal with such troublemakers, the more they tend to see people as troublemakers. I've seen respected editors accused of trolling by other respected editors. All I can recommend is that we keep an eye on ourselves and each other, and if someone needs to take a break, they should do so. Friday (talk) 18:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm all ears when it comes to people kicking around ideas about how to deal with systemic problems. Discussion by itself is rarely harmful- if you're not sure where it belongs, start here on your talk page and once the idea is more developed, post it somewhere else too. I personally keep a scratchpad of half-developed ideas- that might work too. I agree with you on incivility being a widespread problem- I myself was needlessly rude a few times recently and I'm sure this did not improve my ability to communicate. However I think most reasonable editors realize we're all just human. If we make a mistake, we can always say "oops, I messed up" and try to do better next time. I hope not too many people would hold this against us. Friday (talk) 09:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I imagine it's complicated- please explain as much as you wish. I see no reason for a block tho- do you? If you can work things out without further disruption, I think minimal harm has been done. Friday (talk) 08:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Please don't be disruptive
Policy pages cannot be deleted through nomination on WP:MFD as you did with Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Civility. Please stop being disruptive. —Doug Bell 10:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Please... -- Cat 10:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Please what? —Doug Bell 10:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Look, I even said please. Please do not lecture me... Do not even talk to me. I do not like you (plural) and wish to never hear from you (plural) again. -- Cat 10:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't even know you. I'm simply asking you not to be disruptive. Also, I reverted your last edit to my talk page where you deleted my comment. Please don't delete my comments from my talk page. —Doug Bell 10:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I was merely trying to remove a duplicate post I made which you reverted like vandalism... Feel free to block me for it though.
- And I am simply asking you to leave me alone.
- -- Cat 11:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- The edit of mine which you deleted was requesting you not to cross post your replies to my talk page. You not only ignored the request by cross posting, but you also deleted the request. By reverting your edit I didn't remove any post of yours, merely the cross post, so I don't see what the problem is with my reverting it. —Doug Bell 11:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am not going to bother arguing since I do not care. -- Cat 11:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- The edit of mine which you deleted was requesting you not to cross post your replies to my talk page. You not only ignored the request by cross posting, but you also deleted the request. By reverting your edit I didn't remove any post of yours, merely the cross post, so I don't see what the problem is with my reverting it. —Doug Bell 11:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't even know you. I'm simply asking you not to be disruptive. Also, I reverted your last edit to my talk page where you deleted my comment. Please don't delete my comments from my talk page. —Doug Bell 10:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Look, I even said please. Please do not lecture me... Do not even talk to me. I do not like you (plural) and wish to never hear from you (plural) again. -- Cat 10:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Please what? —Doug Bell 10:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Cool Cat/Wikistress status
Resemiprotect that. You are borderlining WP:HA since your edit came right after mine. -- Cat 12:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Huh? Harrassment? Removing the protection is not intended to annoy you in the slightest, and I'm sorry if it did. The purpose of semiprotection is to protect pages from disruptive edits. It isn't intended to be permanent. If your wikistress user subpage comes under attack from vandals it can always be reprotected. I don't believe there is any basis for protecting it, so I set it back to the default that all pages not requiring protection should have. It's been semiprotected for four months, so presumeably the reasons behind protecting it are gone and the semi-protection can be removed. Please don't take this as anything done to annoy you as that is not the intent at all. —Doug Bell 12:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- I really dislike seeing such edits a minute and 39 seconds after mine (especially because of my interaction with moby dick (aka Davenbelle) such stuff really irks me). I'll call this one a coincidence.
- That page should be permanently semiprotected. It is my userspace, not an article. I cannot think of a reason why an anon or a new user should be able to edit my stress meter. If they really desire a change, they can mention it on my talk page.
- -- Cat 12:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Querry
Hey. How are things? El_C 13:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- The short answer is: um.. bad. The long answer is: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD! (parodying Jon Stewart) :)
- Seriously though I feel like the horde is after me... It is like a stampede...
- There was a 'delete happy' group of people who were trying to delete the Star Trek articles which was quite stressful. There was one casuality. That seems to have settled... I am a deletionist myself but I do not create pages like this. I do not make a big deal of it. I dared to complain about their incivility and that went... interesting...
- I have a number of trolls lurking on ANB/I attacking me and et all. They practically are accusing that Bastique is my pet Pokemon or something. :P
- Toolserv is down so commons is a drag... Don't want to delete anything w/o toolserv there.
- Basicaly... Too many trolls... Lots of injustice... :(
- How are you?
- -- Cat 15:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Chill out
You're letting a few trolls take advantage of your ordinarily reactionary nature. You need to take some time off en.wp for a while before you do something more to jeapordize your own interests here. Bastiq▼e 17:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Acknowledged. -- Cat 17:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Re: The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
Hajimemashite! Graphic Designer's Barnstar wa domo arigato gozaimasu! Jecowa 07:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Help!
See: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Death_Threat_Accusation. The same group from the Star Trek AfDs are at it again. -Husnock 14:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- What was it the Horta said? "The murderers have won?" LoL! Just kidding. Situation appears resolved. -Husnock 17:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Unblock
This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | unblock | contribs) asked to be unblocked, but one or more administrators has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators can also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). This unblock request continues to be visible. Do not replace this message with another unblock request.
Request reason: "Please unblock me (so I can deal with this nonsense) or close Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Starfleet alternate ranks and insignia (2nd nomination). There was already a recent afd: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Starfleet alternate ranks and insignia and inconclusive deletion review: Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2006 December 5 (16 overturn - 14 endorse ~ 53.555%) --Cat out 20:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)"
Decline reason: "No reasonable reason to unblock given. -- Renesis (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)"
Administrators: This template should be removed when the block has expired, or after 2 days in the case of blocks of 1 week or longer.Hello from Camel Commodore!
Camel Commodore greets you. You seem to know a lot about Star Trek and Camel Commodore would like to help. Let Camel Commodore know what he can do to help, and with which articles. Let's all call everyone to "Misplaced Pages Battlestations!" if you know what Camel Commodore means. -CamelCommodore 12:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yo,
- You can talk in first person. :)
- Starfleet alternate ranks and insignia needs a lot of work. Feel free to contribute. :)
- -- Cat 12:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- Camel Commodore must talk in Camel code so that others do not discover Camel Commodore, if you know what Camel Commodore means. Camel Commodore must hide underneath the sands and avoid being seen, les the Taliban catch Camel Commodore and eat him for breakfest! -CamelCommodore 13:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- You seem to like talking in riddles... -- Cat 13:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- Camel Commodore must talk in Camel code so that others do not discover Camel Commodore, if you know what Camel Commodore means. Camel Commodore must hide underneath the sands and avoid being seen, les the Taliban catch Camel Commodore and eat him for breakfest! -CamelCommodore 13:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Şş
Moby Dick adlı Kürt şahıs yüzünden ayrıldığını görmiyim. Yıldırma politikaları bunlar, pes etme. Sen kimsin dersen ben WikiProject Türkiyeden kısaca KtB, o kullanıcı şu anda süresiz banned, açıkça yazmıyımda sonra peşime düşmesinler :P. For Aiur, Cool Cat!!!--Doktor Gonzo 14:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry
Didn't realize who you were talking to. -Amarkov edits 02:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- No problem at all, I can see how easily it could be confusing. ^_^ -- Cat 02:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
question
Hello.
I don't know if you've seen this. Basically, User:CamelCommodore made a very strange edit. User:Husnock says you and he have been talking in email about this user - can you corroborate this? Is User:CamelCommodore known to you from elsewhere? Can he explain that odd edit? Thanks, Morwen - Talk 11:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- I saw your comments on the arbcom page. Now, how about we got User:CamelCommodore to agree to you disclosing contents of your conversations, if any? No privacy breach there, right? Obviously the decision is User:CamelCommodore.
- By the way, perhaps you have not noticed, but whilst all this drama has been going on, I have been doing major content work. I have written a large historical section about timeline of Star Trek, have been working on-and-off at Star Trek spin-off fiction, and have also done major work on Where No Man Has Gone Before (TOS episode). Morwen - Talk 16:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, but I do not see the relevance of such a thing. He can reveal it himself/herself and I can verify. -- Cat 17:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, right now the thinking on WP:AN seems to be that User:CamelCommodore is either someone trying to discredit User:Husnock, User:Husnock pretending to be someone trying to discredit himself. Thus, any independent evidence of User:CamelCommodore's existence would be good.
- I think forgetting about the whole thing would be the better side of valor. -- Cat 17:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, right now the thinking on WP:AN seems to be that User:CamelCommodore is either someone trying to discredit User:Husnock, User:Husnock pretending to be someone trying to discredit himself. Thus, any independent evidence of User:CamelCommodore's existence would be good.
- Yes, that is why I am asking you to be more active in updating pages (rather than complaining/discussing so much). Be bold! If you see a problem, fix it. But please do so w/o butchering the article (this isn't intended to be an accusation, just a heads up if you will) -- Cat 17:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have no desire to get into revert wars, which is the reason I haven't touched certain articles. I have been concentrating the types of articles I mention, which I consider more important, and also are the ones that it's actually easier to find sources on. You may be glad to learn I recieved in the post today a book about Law in Star Trek, which I intend to scour for usable things. Morwen - Talk 17:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- If you add content as per 'source' I do not believe anyone would revert you. -- Cat 17:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have no desire to get into revert wars, which is the reason I haven't touched certain articles. I have been concentrating the types of articles I mention, which I consider more important, and also are the ones that it's actually easier to find sources on. You may be glad to learn I recieved in the post today a book about Law in Star Trek, which I intend to scour for usable things. Morwen - Talk 17:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- You may not recall this but you were wondering why I wasn't blocked a while back. I sincerely hope your views about me has changed somewhat (since you haven't blocked me) -- Cat 17:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- The wikibreak certainly appears to have done you good. I hope this continues. Morwen - Talk 17:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Had the community be more sensitive about removing trolls from the project, I wouldn't need a wiki-vacation. -- Cat 17:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- The wikibreak certainly appears to have done you good. I hope this continues. Morwen - Talk 17:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, but I do not see the relevance of such a thing. He can reveal it himself/herself and I can verify. -- Cat 17:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat, also please join us at: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration#Husnock. Your inputs would be welcome. -Husnock 13:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Husnock
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Husnock. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Husnock/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Husnock/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,—— Eagle 101 04:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Deletionists
I couldn't agree with your comment on your user page more. Misplaced Pages lacks coverage on many significant topics that encyclopedias 1/30 the size of us cover. Ethnic groups in Africa numbering in the millions do not have articles written about them, yet the best thing deletionists can do is try to delete an article about some guy's school?? Another thing that gets me is that deletionists rarely write articles in Misplaced Pages themselves — often because they're too young to know anything notable. And that, my friend, is why they're deletionists in the first place. They lack the simple ability to put themselves in other people's shoes. I often hear some of them argue in AFDs that an article isn't "encyclopedic," but this shows just how ignorant they are! Encyclopedias are works that cover all areas of knowledge and before recent times, some actually tried to include all human knowledge. Arguments exhibiting policy fetishism are examples of a primitive follow-the-leader rationale that most adults abandon after their early teens. The fact that they would be so reckless as to delete something that another person wrote for a week (or month) is a sign of adolescent recklessness, as well. Therefore, deletionists, ironically, tend to be the least qualified in evaluating articles. In conclusion, I think that deletionists do not really have anything to add to this project by their primitive nature and — of course — their reckless behavior.—83.133.121.12 10:32, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Using data an improved time table
I would like to get your input to improve the Template:Casualties of the PKK conflict. Hope it looks good.OttomanReference 14:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
Dear とある白い猫/Archive,
Love came to a stable on that very special night to bring us out of darkness into His glorious light. May Jesus touch your life with gladness and warm your heart with love as we celebrate His birth. I hope you have a Blessed Christmas, Anupam 06:14, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Happy holidays !
You may want to consider endorsing this petition: User_talk:Friday#Petition_to_recall_User:Friday_from_the_position_of_admin. StuRat 12:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Star Trek ranks
I saw that you undid my changes to the page. I removed the TWOK enlisted ranks because the coloured shoulder tabs indicated departments not rank. Also, I removed the DS9 Petty Officer pin because this pin did not appear in the episode "Valiant" (or in any other episode). Kind regards. --213.33.15.69 13:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- Sure it did. The girl member of the red squad was wearing it on valiant episode. Aside from Quark and Jake she was the only survivor.
As for the rank tabs, I do not care about them much.
-- Cat 13:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- I checked out some screenshots and it looks like the 2-dot variant O'Brien wore. --212.183.33.61 14:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
- I am mature enough to acknowledge when I am wrong so. I guess you are right. The dots are very hard to notice aren't they? -- Cat 11:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- I checked out some screenshots and it looks like the 2-dot variant O'Brien wore. --212.183.33.61 14:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
US Army Institute of Heraldry
I'm trying to compile galleries of US Military Coats of Arms. I noticed a moment ago that you had applied a Request for Deletion on a number of images uploaded from the US Army Institute of Heraldry with the comment that "Images are not free enough" (I think the request has since been removed, since I can't find it anymore, so forgive me if I am misremembering). I was wondering why you decided to have these images deleted, and what you meant by "not free enough." v/r, Hammon27 21:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Lain FAC again!
Hi! Just letting you know that Serial Experiments Lain is up at FAC again. As you participated in the last one, I thought you might want to know. Happy holydays!--SidiLemine 12:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
hi
How are things going? -Randall Brackett 21:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hi! Things are going somewhat OK I suppose. I do not know why you reverted yourself :) -- Cat 21:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you noted on your talkpage you weren't at this paticular project any longer and had moved residence to commons, so I transfered over there, in the case you wouldn't notice little ol' me. :) -Randall Brackett 22:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- It is true that my focus is commons more, en.wiki is mostly unworkable now. The fact that I do not edit, doesn't mean I do not closely watch. -- Cat 22:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I simply wanted to say hi. Dewa Mata, my friend. -Randall Brackett 22:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- It is true that my focus is commons more, en.wiki is mostly unworkable now. The fact that I do not edit, doesn't mean I do not closely watch. -- Cat 22:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you noted on your talkpage you weren't at this paticular project any longer and had moved residence to commons, so I transfered over there, in the case you wouldn't notice little ol' me. :) -Randall Brackett 22:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
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Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MECU≈talk 20:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
