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June 2023

Hello, I'm BusterD. I noticed that you recently removed content from Sudan without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. BusterD (talk) 19:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Nilotic peoples, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Austronesier (talk) 19:25, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Nilotic peoples, you may be blocked from editing. Austronesier (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

How is the source that i provided poor? It's literally a good source.The Bantu people page also doesn't have a source for the 360 million population why don't you speak about that also? At least I used a source for the population estimate I provided. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Dr.Pinsky. I noticed that in this edit to Sudanese Arabs, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 19:04, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello yes I removed it because this is not true. Sudan's population is approximately 47 million 70% of this population is classified as Sudanese Arab and Sudanese Arabs are Sunni Muslims. The remaining 30% are Black African ethnicities. The religion percentage represents Sudan's population as a whole but not Sudanese Arabs. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Misplaced Pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Nilo-Saharan languages. LandLing 15:36, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

And i'll block you from editing. Your number doesn't even have a source. Where's your source that 50-60 million people speak Nilo Saharan languages?. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 17:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I'm specifically referring to this edit. Gyrofrog (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Beja language shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Gyrofrog (talk) 20:47, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not engaging in an "editing war" I provided the sources for my edit but @Pathawi is refusing to accept it and wants to add in false information from a book written in the 2000s. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 20:50, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Pathawi and I have both explained the issues with your sources (further down this page). The book might indeed be from the 2000s, but unlike (for example) a self-published website that cites Misplaced Pages, it is verifiable (WP:V). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

This is just a side point, but the book in question is from 2020. I don't think I'm the editor who introduced it into the article, tho I could be wrong. Pathawi (talk) 05:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Gyrofrog (talk) 21:08, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't attack any User and I explained that the content he/she provided was not acceasible and that the book is 2 decades old. The 1993 census of ethnicity and language for Sudan is definitely not reliable since it under estimates and undercounts certain ethnicites to gain political support this is especially true since the census was conducted during the regime of omar bashir who is known for genocide. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Your first sentence in this edit contains a personal attack against Pathawi (who, by the way, did not report anything to me). Don't talk about others that way on Misplaced Pages. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:29, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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the Hadendowa are Muslim and practice Islam there's no source that's needed to explain that. It's well known what their religion will be without the source as it's obvious that they along with the other Beja groups are Sunni Muslim. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 18:48, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

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Your recent editing history at Sudanese Arabs shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello Admin i am sorry if i violated any rule Thank you for protecting the page from vandalism. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 14:27, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Source for Nilotic population

https://www.peoplegroups.org/explore/ClusterDetails.aspx?rop2=C0153 I had a source but did not know how to add it. Idc who's blocked but that doesn't change the fact that Sudan is 97% Muslim and that pew research center estimates are flase. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 19:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Sudanese Arabs

A friendly note that you are at WP:3RR at Sudanese Arabs. Please self revert and try to establish a consensus at article's talk page for the changes you want be made. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 19:32, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Beja Speaker Population?

Hi. You recently changed the number of speakers at Beja language to 2.2 million and cited . I don't see that number at the page you cite. Can you help explain what's going on? Pathawi (talk) 14:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean i cited it and the website worked Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 16:40, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

So, again you've changed a number (Eritrean Bidhaawyeet-speaker population from 60,000 → 107,000) where a source is listed, but it's not what the source says. You might very well have better, more recent information, but that's not reflected in the edit. Any time readers see a fact followed immediately by a reference, the reference really has to include the specific fact. From the comments on this page, it seems like this is a recurring problem. I very strongly recommend that you spend a little time reading WP:REFB before making any further edits to Misplaced Pages. If you have any questions about how referencing works, please don't hesitate to ask. Pathawi (talk) 06:53, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The source literally says there are 107,000 Beja speakers in Eritrea i dont know if your blind or not but this is not the 1990s the Beja population has increased since then. Its not my problem if your blind and cant see. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:11, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I did not realise that you had deleted the existing source for that sentence to replace it with a new source. The result is that the first half of the sentence becomes unsourced. The new source is a problem in and of itself for two reasons: First, it's simply not a reliable source (WP:RS). Second, it's a circular reference, in that it states that it gets its information from Misplaced Pages (WP:CIRCULAR). For a quality encyclopædia, we want good sources—not random Websites. Unfortunately, that means that where there isn't data, we just don't have data. It's certainly not the '90s & the population of Bidhaawyeet-speakers has definitely changed, but the guesses of random people on-line don't make for better, reliable data. We just have to accept what we don't know & be clear about it. Pathawi (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages isn't the only source the website bases its credibility from it also gets it from an author so its credible. Also why would there be 60,000 Beja speakers in Eritrea when there population has been estimated at more than 200,000 today?. The source is right and credible and there are other sources that report the same number from that website I would be happy to send it to you. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 20:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

@Cookiemonster1618:, you are right now engaged in a fair number of conflicts with other editors about your edits. These aren't personal attacks. This is not the usual experience that editors have of Misplaced Pages. It looks like what's going on is that you have particular types of edits you want to make, but aren't yet fully familiar with the project of Misplaced Pages. I haven't reported you for anything as you allege elsewhere & I haven't threatened you with anything, but other editors have stated that you could be blocked for the ways in which you're engaging the encyclopædia & its editors. I think it's likely that you will be blocked soon if things don't change.

You could be having a very different experience of Misplaced Pages: This is meant to be a collaborative encyclopædia based on reliable sources. Most of your conflicts so far come from sourcing issues—either the addition of information without sources, or edits that make it seem (inadvertently!) like a source contains a claim that it doesn't, or sources that are not reliable. I hope you won't be offended if I suggest that you take a break from editing for a few days & read some of the core guidelines so that you can understand where other editors—your collaborators!—are coming from. The Five Pillars of Misplaced Pages (WP:5P) is a good place to start for a big picture overview. For the kinds of conflicts you've been having, Verifiability (WP:V) & Reliable Sources (WP:RS) are really the core relevant guidelines. If you read these & dig thru their links a little, I think you're likely to find that it makes your experience of dealing with other Misplaced Pages editors much easier. You also may want to look at the Edit Warring policy (WP:EW).

On the issue of the number of Beja-speakers: The source is not credible. It's basically the equivalent of a blog. As mentioned above, circularity is an issue. Their sources other than Misplaced Pages are missionary Websites that are also not reliable. We don't know how these guys got their estimates. They in fact have a disclaimer on their Website: '…we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness, accuracy, reliability, suitability or availability with respect to the website or the information…'

I don't believe that there's a source out there with a good count or even estimate of Beja-speakers in Eritrea. The data just doesn't exist. When we see a claim that there are 200,000 Beja people in Eritrea today (if we think that that claim is reliable—I don't), we should ask what that means: Are they referring to Beni Amer people? If so, the overwhelming majority speak Tigre & Arabic—not Beja. We aren't able to meaningfully extrapolate from an ethnic population a language speaker population. More relevantly, we aren't allowed to: Another important policy is No Original Research (WP:NOR). Pathawi (talk) 04:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I didnt add the sources for the missionary evengelical website. And what conflict? I haven't had a conflict with other users. The links were there i just added the population estimates as the website says. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 05:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

if you go down history they have a section with number of speakers. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Btw the source below also says there are 2,300,000 speakers of the Beja language now so I added that. If you want to know where to find that in the website scroll down until you see history and then under it, you will see the number of speakers for each country. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

In case you need the source here it is again.

https://www.101lasttribes.com/tribes/beja.html#:~:text=Our%20figures%20estimate%20Beja%20speakers,appears%20to%20be%20about%20206%2C000.%7D%7D Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 13:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Same thing for the number of ethnic Mende in Liberia in Mende people. It's not in the source that you have used. –Austronesier (talk) 14:36, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I added a better source there are you happy now?. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 16:46, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I added a source but every time I add it the page doesn't work here is the source though

https://minorityrights.org/country/liberia/ Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 17:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

One thing that you can do that might make editing easier for you is to preview edits before publishing them. Then, you can make sure that everything's right before it becomes visible to the rest of Misplaced Pages. Pathawi (talk) 09:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

101lasttribes.com is (1) a self-published source, and (2) cites Misplaced Pages as a source (again, see WP:CIRCULAR), and doesn't specify which information comes from WP or from one of the other sources. As such this doesn't seem to be a reliable source, but you're free to get another opinion at WP:RSN. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

A suggestion, offered in the spirit of helpfulness: for the Beja population (people, not necessarily speakers) in Eritrea, consider using a source such as the CIA World Factbook (aside from what you or I think of the CIA, the World Factbook is a reliable source, where Misplaced Pages is concerned). For example: "According to the CIA, as of 2021 the Hedareb and Beja together comprise 2% of Eritrea's population." (FYI, that equates to 125,496 persons based on the estimated 2023 population, but the 2% is from 2021 so, strictly speaking, we shouldn't specify that number here -- see WP:NOR.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

To reiterate a note I made above (& echoing the parenthetical statement early in Gyrofrog's edit): This would be the number of people identified as ethnically Beja, but not the number of Beja-speakers. Many sources consider Beni Amer people Beja, but the great majority of Beni Amer speak Tigre—not Beja. Pathawi (talk) 05:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I havent edited anything about the Beja language i honestly dont care what population estimates are put up there with the source i havent changed anything since @Gyrofrog reverted back your edits. If I find a valuable source on the number of speakers I'll add it right now i havent found any so I won't change anything. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 05:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

References

1. "Eritrea § People and Society". The World Factbook (2024 ed.). Central Intelligence Agency. (Archived 2021 edition.)

Bravanese people

Hi! I'm sure you copied this number + source from Bravanese dialect. Have you actually looked at the source if it supports the data? The problem is, it doesn't. While it mentions Bravanese as a dialect of Swahili, it only has the total figure of Swahili speakers of Somalia, counting Bravanese and Bajuni together. (Also: number of speakers is not the same as the number for the ethnic group.)

Please stop adding/copying things without scrutinizing first if the data is valid. If you keep on doing this, you will eventually face a topic ban or block. Austronesier (talk) 08:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Baganda

Thanks for correcting the population share figure at Baganda, but you replaced the census results source with a different source, which doesn't mention the 2014 census. Surely it's better to cite the census results themselves in this situation? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello the source I cited got its source from the 2014 Census but I can add the 2014 Census to the source. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 17:54, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

It would be OK if the Minority Rights source stated that its source was the census, but it doesn't as far as I can see. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

If you go the website and click on one of the entries like Acholi for example it will say "according to the 2014 census" for example. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 17:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, but given that it's not on the page you cited itself, I suggest citing the census results as well. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 18:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello I need your help with something theres this user who keeps editing the Sudanese Arabs Article to his own edit and he changed the sentence to include his sources as if they said that when they cant be accessed. I told him countless times that the sources he used don't mention any of the stuff he wrote let alone his sources cant be accessed as one source is a book from Online titled "Sudan" and the other source doesnt have an accessible link. Please block or report for a block thank you. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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