Misplaced Pages

Talk:Case Closed: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 19:41, 18 May 2019 editAinz Ooal Gown (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Rollbackers16,843 editsNo edit summaryTags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit← Previous edit Latest revision as of 21:47, 11 December 2024 edit undoXexerss (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, New page reviewers, Pending changes reviewers102,814 edits →Separate page for TV series?: ReplyTag: Reply 
(90 intermediate revisions by 42 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Skip to talk}} {{Skip to talk}}
{{Talk header}} {{Talk header}}
{{notice|header=This article is named ''Case Closed'' according to ].|] has stated ''se the official English titles for article names and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article.'' Any discussion on that policy should be directed to ].}} {{notice|header=This article is named ''Case Closed'' according to ].|] has stated ''se the official English titles for article names and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article.'' At this time specifically the names for versions in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and Ireland are to be used instead of names used in Southeast Asian English versions. Any discussion on that policy should be directed to ].}}
{{ArticleHistory {{ArticleHistory
|action1=GAN |action1=GAN
Line 11: Line 11:
|topic=Literature |topic=Literature
}} }}
{{WikiProject Anime and manga|class=GA|importance=Mid}} {{WikiProject banner shell|class=GA|vital=yes|1=
{{WikiProject Video games|class=GA|importance=Low|Sega=yes}} {{WikiProject Anime and manga|importance=High}}
{{WikiProject Media franchises|importance=Mid}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config {{User:MiszaBot/config
|maxarchivesize = 200K |maxarchivesize = 200K
Line 18: Line 20:
|algo = old(30d) |algo = old(30d)
|archive = Talk:Case Closed/Archive %(counter)d |archive = Talk:Case Closed/Archive %(counter)d
}}
{{Refideas
|{{cite web | url=https://www201.235.147.210.animenewsnetwork.com/the-mike-toole-show/2019-12-02/.153156 | title=The One Truth, And Nothing But the One Truth: An Oral History of Case Closed | first=Mike | last=Toole | date=December 2, 2019 | website=Anime News Network}}
}} }}


== Audience ==
== Requested move 01 November 2015 ==
<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top -->
:''The following is a closed discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a ]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''

The result of the move request was: '''procedural revert''' to ]. The original move is ''clearly not'' noncontroversial and is hence invalid per RM protocol. I invite the original mover to open a RM discussion and invite wide discussion as we have a disparate population of editors who will see primary topic in different ways here. ] (] '''·''' ]) 10:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
----
] → {{no redirect|Case Closed}} – The main manga article should still be named Case Closed as that is the predominant search result. The other uses should be renamed back to the Case Closed (disambiguation) article. This was moved recently without proper discussion and requires a technical move to restore it.&nbsp;– ] (] • ]) 14:55, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:<small>This is a contested technical request (]). ] (]) 22:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)</small>
*{{ping|AngusWOOF}} '''Object'''. The lawcourt procedure expression "Case Closed" is far more significant than a Japanese comic strip. Currently page ] is the disambig page. ] (]) 22:57, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
:: The problem is that the move had been done without any discussion like this. So why does it need a discussion to move this back to how it was so a proper discussion can be done? ] (] • ]) 14:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' we do not have an article about the lower court expression and likely never will. Also, considering the fact that the expression was not even mentioned before the dab page was created on the 30th and that no one complained about that fact during the many years that this was titled Case Closed strongly indicates that people were not looking for the expression in the first place. I do not think that a one sentence dictionary entry on dab page that was not being looked up or even asked about before it was crated should take precedence over this aricle.--] (]) 23:18, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose: malformed multimove''' ] and so on. Has anyone checked in Google Books to see what else there is? ] (]) 00:12, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
::Books indicate this article should be at ] not at Case Closed (manga) ] (]) 00:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:::''Case Closed'' is the English-language title of the series. The manga is still being published by Viz under that title and Crunchyroll is simulcasting the anime series under the name ''Case Closed''. —''']'''&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 01:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
*See https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=Case+Closed&namespace=0 . (And is "punished" above a typo for "published"?) ] (]) 06:17, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

::::Agreed. ] (]) 10:53, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
::::: Other books: the 1993 novel by Posner (but the article is not created), the 2015 FBI novel by Weinstein (neither the novel article or the author is created), and the novel by Cornwell (where it is used as a subtitle). Those are clearly minor situations. The Case Closed (film) is also a stub-level TV movie that is barely notable. ] (] • ]) 19:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::: The TV movie should be further disambiguated to Case Closed (1988 film) as there are many films under the Case Closed franchise all with different subtitles. ] (] • ]) 22:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' it is clearly not the manga, if anything, the manga is greatly eclipsed by the TV show -- ] (]) 09:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' the standard media property set of articles should be created here, to deal with this like the rest of Misplaced Pages deals with media properties, instead of the weird divisions found only in anime/manga, which has exactly the same issues as the rest of the media properties in Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 16:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:: By Oppose, you are saying it should stay as Case Closed (manga). Are you sure that's what you want? ] (] • ]) 17:11, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Unless the opposer meant the Spanish language court show (aricle is spelled differently) I believe that it can be disregarded since there is not going to be a separate article for thr anime.--] (]) 22:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Clearly the ]. All three main criteria that determine primary topic point to this article. --] (]) 12:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
* '''Comment''' This would be the same situation as '']'' vs. '']''; '']'' vs. '']''; or '']'' vs. '']''. The expression itself would not be titled in caps, and the titled version refers primarily to the manga subject at hand. ] (] • ]) 14:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
* '''Update''' I was able to technically move the disambiguation page back to ]. ] (] • ]) 19:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
**I have reverted this page move until the conclusion of this move request. The disambiguation page was originally created at ] after this page was moved to ]. —''']'''&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 21:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' The only other search term that users might use for "Case Closed" is for a film from 1988 that's a stub. Clearly nowhere near as popular as the manga. ] (]) 23:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' for procedural reasons, i.e. to undo a recent undiscussed move. The onus should be on those who favour the current title to justify it. — ] 23:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''': The expression "Case closed" has been used longer and is more popular than this series (under the "Case Closed" name). While the manga and anime are somewhat popular (under the "Case Closed" name), the expression itself is used more often in almost every news story and in some hashtag social networks (like Twitter). Whenever I do see "Case Closed" as a way of referring to the manga, I end up seeing "Detective Conan" tagged with it for the most part (sometimes "Detective Conan" is standalone). The only other main name that would work here would be "Detective Conan" - that name is used more often when referring to the manga and anime than "Case Closed". ] (]) 03:17, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
::a the use of Detective Conan a the main title had already been rejected since Case Closed is the official English language title of the work and is consistent with the way that anime titles are covered. Alos I don't see much of s case for the term since diet is a one sentence entry on thr dabpage that did not even exist until recently. I think you may be overestimating how popular the term is.--] (]) 05:38, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' As an older adult, I would never think of "Case Closed" as a manga or anime title. I have used and heard the phrase my entire life before the manga series was ever created. ] (]) 03:57, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:I disagree thr expression is a one sentence entry on the dab page which I can not see expanded into anything meaningful for article purposes. In fact the term was not even covered at all for the several years that the this article was titled Case Closed. If the term was as popular as is being suggested I am sure that multiple people searching for it would have been surprised to see this aricle and have complained a long time ago that the more popular term was not being covered.--] (]) 05:38, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
:: This would be a case of ]. Yes, the expression was around much longer. But the expression is not a primary topic, especially the capitalized "Closed" version. It's fine to redirect "Case closed" to the disambiguation, as with "Cold case", just not "Case Closed" / "Cold Case". ] (] • ]) 19:04, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' - If this is not moved back to "Case Closed", then I think it would be better to place it at "Detective Conan" rather than "Case Closed (manga)" (per ] and ]). I think my preference on the title in general would be "Detective Conan" first, "Case Closed" second, and "Case Closed (manga)" third. I'm therefore uncertain about this move, as while I think it would put the article at a better name, it wouldn't put it at what I think is the best name. I know "Detective Conan" was rejected in past discussions, but I don't think I agree with those discussions. I think Detective Conan may actually be the most common name used in English reliable sources (for instance, Anime News Network seems to refer to the series as "Detective Conan" more often than "Case Closed", though they use "Case Closed" when specifically talking about the US release and also in the titles of their encyclopedia pages for parts of the franchise that have been released under that title). Using "Detective Conan" also would make the page names consistent with pages for things that used that name for the English release (e.g., ]), and things that don't have an official English name (e.g., any of the more recent films). ] (]) 22:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. ], this is why requests to revert recent undiscussed moves should always be actioned. If the original bold mover still believes a move is appropriate, ''they'' can open an RM. You now have people supporting this move purely on a procedural basis, which is likely to force a no consensus result. That will result in the article being moved back where it was. Those arguing for the title to have disambiguation would actually have been better served if you had moved it back at the original request. Obviously it is too late to change things now, but please keep this in mind in future. ] (]) 08:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' The question comes to what is the primary topic for those looking up the term "case close". The overwhelming majority of links are for the manga series. However, if you do a Google news search to see who reliable sources use the term, you will quickly discover that the manga is not the primary use, and a book search shows a mix between the manga and other uses of the term. Secondly, there were no other articles named "Case Closed" on Misplaced Pages, so page article traffic statistics cannot be used. What is clear is that ] would not be the primary target, as it is a relatively obscure film. Given that it is unclear whether the manga is the primary target, I believe that ] should remain a disambiguation page and the article about the manga titled ] is the better approach. —''']'''&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 00:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' for the same reasons as Farix. ···] · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 00:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Obvious primary topic in terms of traffic, sources and statistics compared to actual articles titled "Case Closed". The phrase "case closed" is not encyclopedic, and there's no article on it, so it's out of the running. That leaves only the TV movie ]; the only other entries on the dab page (a novel and TV episodes) are more obscure and have no articles.<br>
:Also, given the recent moves, if this discussion doesn't close as a consensus for ], it needs to be returned to the base name as that's the status quo.--] ]/] 04:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as per Farix. Not primary topic by any normal definition. --] (]) 05:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
**We don't determine primary topic on WP by whatever you consider to be a "normal definition". We use ]. --] ] 22:34, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
**It is not the PrimaryTopic because of the other five topics listed at ] and because the topic most likely to be expected by readers not encultured with Misplaced Pages peculiarities is ], an idiom, from which, indeed, all others derive. Moving on to long term significance and educational value, the mange is negligible cult fiction, eclipsed by the topic from which the name is derived. --] (]) 03:11, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
**Users of WP searching for "Case Closed" are so unlikely to be looking for the court idiom we don't even have an article for that use, and rightly so. What some hypothetical user who is not actually searching for "Case Close" on WP would expect to find is not relevant. --] ] 22:38, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
*** Searches for the court idiom would use "Case closed" with the second word in lower case, and that is acceptable to go to the disambiguation as with the examples previously provided. A similar case can be said with ], in which the lower case version "You've got mail." is an expression, but the upper-case version refers to the movie as primary topic. Similarly there is ] vs. ], the first refers to the expression and the disambiguation, and the second of which refers to the movie. Also, the manga and anime is hardly negligible cult fiction with tens of volumes and hundreds of episodes broadcast in Japan. ] (] • ]) 22:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:::* Yes, Angus, good point on the capitalisation of Closed. Per WP:DIFFCAPS the topic of the idiom of a "closed case", a worthy topic, does not clash, you are right.
::::On manga and anime, manga and anime are massive yes, which is part of the point, there is so much manga that any specific manga is usually pretty small. Admittedly, this series isa pretty significant case, although on the other hand this title is merely an English language alternative title not connected to sources attesting to the significance of the topic.
::::I maintain that there is no PrimaryTopic, with the film (]) and the book (]) competitive, and noting that "Case Closed" is not accepted the proper title as is abundantly clear in the talk archives. This article should be titled "]". --] (]) 03:01, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per ]. Farix's argument is nonsensical, as it concedes there are no other articles named "Case Closed" on WP (notwithstanding the obscure film with a stub article). The court expression is irrelevant as we don't have an article for it nor the demand or even basis for it. --] ] 22:34, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per B2C. People are claiming the primary topic is the legal definition, yet we have no article on that. It isn't an encyclopedic concept, it's just something people say sometimes. ] concerns itself with disambiguating concepts that actually have articles here on the Wiki, not day to day life. Also, {{ping|Anthony Appleyard}} I agree with {{u|Jenks24}} point above. You should not have allowed an "objection" to be raised on a request to revert an undiscussed move, you should have moved the page immediately and then had a discussion from the long standing title. Now the discussion has been confused, a no consensus should result in a move rather than what exists now. Thanks &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 09:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
----
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a ]. No further edits should be made to this section.</div><!-- Template:RM bottom -->

== Requested move 15 December 2015 ==
<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 2em 0 0 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top -->
:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.''

'''No consensus for any move at this time; rather, there is a clear consensus against the proposed move.''' ] ] 15:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

* ] → ?
* ] → {{no redirect|Case Closed}}
– The "Case Closed" phrase is more known than the Japanese graphic novel series and there is other media using this name as well. "Case Closed" appear often in news articles, but it is not often used to refer to the graphic novels. The name "Detective Conan" is used a lot more when referring to the Japanese franchise as opposed to "Case Closed", although there was conflict over that. "Case Closed (manga)" and "Detective Conan" are the choices. ] (]) 01:59, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

'''Oppose, but redirect lower-case searches to disambiguations''' - To summarize my thoughts from the previous RM, a search for "Case Closed" in Misplaced Pages with both caps on, is an intention to look for the ], which is the manga series franchise. There are similar cases with ] which is also a manga/anime franchise, ] the television series, ] the first film, ] franchise, ] TV series, ] film, ] film, ] film. Searching for Case closed (lower case on second word) or case closed (all lower-case) should point to the disambiguation or expression pages as with ], ], and ]. ] currently points to a barely notable television movie, and other entries in Case Closed point to television episodes and books that do not have their own notable articles. Detective Conan should not be the main title as it is primary known in the English world through Viz Manga and Funimation anime title of Case Closed per ].

Searches using stats.grok.se on English Misplaced Pages show Case Closed being more popular than Detective Conan.
*
*
*
*

Case Closed (film) and Case Closed (disambiguation) were created by {{u|Magicperson6969}} on October 29 and 30, 2015, respectively.
*
*

And just for kicks, here's One Piece vs. One piece:
*
*

] (] • ]) 04:01, 15 December 2015 (UTC), updated 01:02, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Move to ]''' which redirects here anyway, per ] and ]. ] (]) 07:59, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
::That is not the name used in English language media. The previous attempt to move the article to Detective Conan failed to gain consensus for that reason.--] (]) 17:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
::::For reference the discussion was at ] granted that was two years ago but what has changed since then.--] (]) 17:36, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', as before. The phrase "Case Closed" has no article and never should per ]. Looking at the topics that are actually covered, the statistics and sources show this to be the primary topic over the only other subject with an article, the TV movie ], and the even more obscure other topics listed on the dab page.--] ]/] 17:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
:: The phrase "Case Closed" would be "Case closed". It doesn't even conflict. --] (]) 06:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', per {{U|Cuchullain}}. The nom's reasoning is irrelevant to WP title choices. "]", "]" and "]" are also well known phrases with no articles on WP. The first two have no uses whatsoever (hence, red links); the last is a dab page (]) for a number of uses by the band ] and makes no reference to the phrase. Unless the use of a phrase has a legitimate place in WP as an article or at least as a redirect to an article subsection, there is no reason to consider it in deciding how to title articles about topics with the same name but with legitimate uses. Why is this so difficult to understand and appreciate? --] ] 21:08, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Speedy close''' too soon after the previous RM, with nothing substantially different. The previous close was a "no consensus", so wait at least two months, and even then make a better summary of the previous discussion. --] (]) 00:25, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
**Oppose speed close. I think there was a lot of confusion in the last discussion, still unfortunately reflected in this nom. But if we can settle it with a solid consensus opposing, which I think is likely, that's better than leaving it in a "no consensus" state. Let the discussion continue... --] ] 00:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
*** There is no scope for a respectable discussion here. The nomination is an abuse of process. The participants will over-represent tendentious editors. --] (]) 01:20, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the stats appear to show that this is the most searched for entry for people looking up this term. Also, the legal phrase, while it may be used a lot is clearly nowhere near notable enough to be covered on Misplaced Pages. Finally based on the fact this this page has been at Case Closed since January 30th 2005 and the legal term never even disucssd before the move rewuest it would mean it took over a decade before anyone released that the primary topic was not benign covered.--] (]) 06:49, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep it at Case Closed for now.''' I personally believe the article should be located at Detective Conan, but the two-English-titles debate is beyond the scope of this discussion and the hypothetical "Case closed" article would not conflict with this article regardless of what we end up calling this work in the end. ''']]''' 11:31, 21 December 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Oppose''' per the reasons above. Not much else to add. ] ]&#124;] 03:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a ]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div><!-- Template:RM bottom -->

== External links modified ==

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 17 external links on ]. Please take a moment to review . If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit ] for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.viz.com/products/products.php?&series_id=49&section=profiles
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://skygarden.shogakukan.co.jp/skygarden/owa/solc_tid?tid=1572
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.manganet.de/index.php/cat/c339_detektiv_conan.html?view=reihenintro
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110404010310/http://www.ytv.co.jp/yod/anime/conan.html to http://www.ytv.co.jp/yod/anime/conan.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ab-international.com/catalogue_2006/detail.asp?Code=959
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/eQAiGT%3Dmg8PhoBNYOs/browse/item/83416/4/0/0
*Added archive http://www.webcitation.org/5t1AgG06O?url=http://www.toho.co.jp/lineup/conan2010/ to http://www.toho.co.jp/lineup/conan2010/
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://skygarden.shogakukan.co.jp/skygarden/owa/solc_dtl?isbn=4091248713
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://skygarden.shogakukan.co.jp/skygarden/owa/solc_dtl?isbn=9784091225757
*Added archive https://archive.is/20120908040714/http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/XbEbP-mbXRAGqDd86t/browse/item/85841/4/0/0 to http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/XbEbP-mbXRAGqDd86t/browse/item/85841/4/0/0
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120307082640/http://uk.gameboy.ign.com/objects/840/840503.html to http://uk.gameboy.ign.com/objects/840/840503.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120307082707/http://uk.gameboy.ign.com/objects/739/739940.html to http://uk.gameboy.ign.com/objects/739/739940.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://music.jp.msn.com/music/cd.aspx?cdid=113120
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000CBO07Q/
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.bookclub.kodansha.co.jp/bc2_bc/search_view.jsp?b=054678X
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20121013195902/http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/books/detail/_isbn_9784091038166 to http://www.shogakukan.co.jp/books/detail/_isbn_9784091038166
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090813143525/http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18996 to http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18996


I get how popular the anime was, but understand it’s targeted audiences are still mainly teenage boys as the target demographic of a Shonen manga, anime or magazine are teen boys 12-18.
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
But the reception article keeps making it think that the government is trying to aim the anime to kids. Which is NOT the franchise main target audiences. Especially with how dark and violent the series can be. Shonen manga and anime mainly target teenage boys and still do. Every chief-editor of the magazines have said that despite how popular their magazines are with audiences younger and older than it’s target demographic (male or female), the works within the magazines and manga themselves STILL only target teenage boys. ] (]) 14:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
: {{u| SG1994}}, the article infobox already has demographic=Shonen and lists that it is printed in Shonen-titled magazines and imprints. Was there something that needed to be edited in the reception section? ] (] • ]) 14:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


== Request ==
{{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}}


Hi there. I'm not here to request anything anymore. I just want if someone could please take the time to post below me all of the reasons as to why there won't be first volume cover as profile picture and an overall plot covering the entire story, so that the explanations are more in handy on the main talk page. Thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)</span>
Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 17:38, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
:The volume image is from ] and is used to reduce the amount of Non-Free Content images on Misplaced Pages. Why would we want to add more NFC images that don't add much value to the site? The plot is pretty much up to date. Nothing significant has happened in forever and the author takes weeks off after every 3 or 4 chapters now. ] (]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 15:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
: Please note that {{u|190.195.107.16}} has been blocked for sockpuppetry. ] (] • ]) 20:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


== Current english dub uses Japanese names ==
== External links modified ==


I know the point of using English vs. the original names has been brought up many, many times so I don't want to seem like I'm beating a dead horse, but I do think it's at least worth noting that TMS's most recent international releases of Detective Conan media, ie. the dubs of Movie 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23 along with Episode ONE, have all used the original Japanese character names as opposed to Funimation's old localised ones. I feel as though this is at least worth considering in the ongoing debate between using Japanese names vs. Funimation's ones.
Hello fellow Wikipedians,


Of course, Viz Media's manga translation does still use the localised names, so it's not like this is a 100% clear cut issue, however TMS themselves are directly involved in producing the movie dubs, so it seems pretty clear that the official preference is in favour of using the original names. ] (]) 09:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I have just modified 6 external links on ]. Please take a moment to review ]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit ] for additional information. I made the following changes:
:Since the manga is the primary work we should go with the names it uses.--] (]) 05:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
*Added archive https://www.webcitation.org/5w75YU42F?url=http://www.tvjapan.net/en/subcategory/anime.html to http://www.tvjapan.net/en/subcategory/anime.html
::Note there are actually two English versions of the manga. ] (US/Canada/UK/Ireland) uses new English names for main characters while ] (Singapore/Malaysia/Philippines/Brunei) uses the original Japanese names. ] (]) 08:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/eQAiGT=mg8PhoBNYOs/browse/item/83416/4/0/0
:::I would like to also say that why should it always have to comply with Viz? The manga has fans all around the world and Misplaced Pages itself is an international platform so it should be feasible to use the Shogakukan Asia Manga as a reference since I feel this particular series is more famous in Asia anyway so it should comply with that instead. This is just in my opinion feel free to counteract any of the info above, thank you. ] (]) 15:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110121161013/http://www.bdangouleme.com/competition/S%C3%A9lection%20Jeunesse%202011/24 to http://www.bdangouleme.com/competition/S%C3%A9lection%20Jeunesse%202011/24
::Per ] (or MOS:MANGA, same page), "If there are multiple English releases, such as both a manga and anime, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the English-speaking world (usually the primary work)" The Viz Media manga version has contributed most to the English-speaking world. Shogakukan started in 2014, long after the series has become well-known in English as Case Closed, and characters Jimmy Kudo, etc. This isn't a case where there were multiple English versions of fairly equal footing as with the Dragon Ball dubs. ] (] • ]) 18:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120610190551/http://manga.about.com/od/recommendedreading/tp/Best-Continuing-Manga-Of-2010.01.htm to http://manga.about.com/od/recommendedreading/tp/Best-Continuing-Manga-Of-2010.01.htm
:::Yes but I feel most people have switched over from Viz as they feel the name changes are useless and the original being more famous since the beginning is also the one most people now know in the English-speaking world, still if you have more to say feel free to continue this conversation. ] (]) 18:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110315072256/http://www.conan-town.jp/contents/sec2_6.htm to http://www.conan-town.jp/contents/sec2_6.htm
::::{{replyto|VP Gerudo}} One way to move forward is to find an analysis of how many published reliable sources in English (only in English) use the original names and how many use the dub names. Such can be evidence of needing to move to the Singapore manga names (which are the Japanese names). ] (]) 05:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110722101725/http://www.conan-town.jp/contents/sec2_1_5.htm to http://www.conan-town.jp/contents/sec2_1_5.htm
:::::Yes that is a good idea, will do that as soon as possible. Thanks for the suggestion. ] (]) 11:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
:::most conan fan is from outside us though ] (]) 13:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
:::"Well-known" in English-speaking world? That's only in North America.
:::Let's not forget English also being used as primary language is some Asian countries like India and Singapore where Detective Conan is being used.
:::Even English official title in Japan itself is Detective Conan, you can see the title being used in Japanese anime release or any non-American English anime release (e.g. Indonesia). ] (]) 16:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
::::{{replyto|Christian Elbrianno}} May I ask which version is distributed in India? If so, I'd like to find a source confirming that. As a note, the VIZ conventions apply to their release, which is distributed in the US, Canada, UK, and Ireland (not other countries). The Shogakukan Asia release is distributed to the following territories that use English as a significant language: Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, and the Philippines (I am not including Thailand and Indonesia as English speaking). The titling conventions only consider editions of this series that are released in the English language, but this shows that there are variations even among them. If I find that Shogakukan Asia's release or another one using "Detective Conan" is released in India, in my opinion that would give a stronger impetus to use "Detective Conan" instead of "Case Closed". ] (]) 17:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:No one's mentioned it yet, so I figure I'll add that the show has been being under the joint title of "Case Closed - Detective Conan". It's available free for streaming. They've dubbed episodes 964 to 1014, and in all of them the Japanese names are used--Shin'ichi, Ran, Kogoro, Mouri, etc. Since the old Jimmy Kudo dub isn't legally available on any streaming sites nor currently airing, I believe that means the Viz manga is the only English source still using the old English names. Also, ''allegedly'' this Tubi version is also airing in India, but I couldn't find any source actually confirming that. ] (]) 03:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)


== Remove Historical and Cultural Significance Section ==
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.


Hello, I believe this section is not relevant nor all that informative and should be removed.
{{sourcecheck|checked=false|needhelp=}}


The first paragraph contains non-relevant historical commentary and subjective comments sourced from an undergraduate thesis. The second paragraph does not accurately represent the source it uses. "Using chopsticks" can not be considered cultural commentary. The third paragraph makes claims on music that are not supported by the pages it links to. I can not find a way to access the source but if relevant, I propose citing to it on the linked pages as well. The final paragraph comments on the setting by directly referencing episodes of the show. If included, this same paragraph would have to be included for most anime shows. The final line might be better suited to the 'Plot' section. ] (]) 05:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 20:45, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


:I reread the section, and yes, there are definitely various issues with it, mainly on its focus and the use of the sources. I wouldn't mind to have it removed altogether from the article. ] (]) 05:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
== Request. ==


== Separate page for TV series? ==
Could someone please rename the title into Detective Conan? That's the original title of the series. Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:47, 8 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Just COMPLETELY gonna throw this out there out of the blue, but should this have a separate page for the TV show like ], ], ], and ] do? Is it that major of an anime and manga series? ] (]) 22:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
: {{Not done}}. See ] ] (] • ]) 15:26, 8 March 2019 (UTC)


:The TV adaptation alone definitely has enough coverage to warrant a split. ] (]) 05:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
== First volume cover as profile picture and change the title into "Detective Conan" ==
:* '''Strongly Disagree''': The show has enough coverage, but that doesn’t mean the article should be split. It’s a ], and splitting it would likely lower its ]. Plus, the article is less than 5,000 words, there’s no need to split it per ].
{{hat|200.45.154.238 has been blocked as a sockpuppet. ] (] • ]) 20:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)}}
:] (]) 21:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Could someone please change the profile picture into the very first volume cover and change the title into "Detective Conan"? It has to be the very first volume cover for a spoilers and common sense topic. And it has to be also "Detective Conan" and not "Case Closed" because that's the original title of the series regardless what the English version chose. PLEASE.
::{{reply|Lililolol}} I did not mean to say that the article, as it currently is, should be split. I meant to say that there is enough existing coverage (not just what is in the article alone) to make another article dedicated specifically to the anime (obviously including these references). ] (]) 21:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
: There are also no spoilers on covers and the existing cover does a sufficient job at identifying the subject of the article. You did not provide a reason why a different cover would better identify the subject. Also, the work is known as ''Case Closed'' in the English language and is thus the common English name. —''']'''&nbsp;(]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;]) 20:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
{{hab}}
== Requested move 18 May 2019 ==


== Low ratings adult swim ==
{{requested move/dated|multiple=yes
|current1=Case Closed|new1=Detective Conan|current2=List of Case Closed films|new2=List of Detective Conan films|current3=Case Closed: The Time Bombed Skyscraper|new3=Detective Conan: The Time Bombed Skyscraper|current4=Case Closed: The Fourteenth Target|new4=Detective Conan: The Fourteenth Target|current5=Case Closed: The Last Wizard of the Century|new5=Detective Conan: The Last Wizard of the Century|current6=Case Closed: Captured in Her Eyes|new6=Detective Conan: Captured in Her Eyes|current7=Case Closed: Countdown to Heaven|new7=Detective Conan: Countdown to Heaven|current8=Case Closed: The Phantom of Baker Street|new8=Detective Conan: The Phantom of Baker Street|current9=List of Case Closed episodes (seasons 1–15)|new9=List of Detective Conan episodes (seasons 1–15)|current10=Case Closed (season 1)|new10=Detective Conan (season 1)|current11=Case Closed (season 2)|new11=Detective Conan (season 2)|current12=Case Closed (season 3)|new12=Detective Conan (season 3)|current13=Case Closed (season 4)|new13=Detective Conan (season 4)|current14=Case Closed (season 5)|new14=Detective Conan (season 5)|current15=Case Closed (season 6)|new15=Detective Conan (season 6)|current16=Case Closed (season 7)|new16=Detective Conan (season 7)|current17=Case Closed (season 8)|new17=Detective Conan (season 8)|current18=Case Closed (season 9)|new18=Detective Conan (season 9)|current19=Case Closed (season 10)|new19=Detective Conan (season 10)|current20=Case Closed (season 11)|new20=Detective Conan (season 11)|current21=Case Closed (season 12)|new21=Detective Conan (season 12)|current22=Case Closed (season 13)|new22=Detective Conan (season 13)|current23=Case Closed (season 14)|new23=Detective Conan (season 14)|current24=Case Closed (season 15)|new24=Detective Conan (season 15)|current25=List of Case Closed episodes (seasons 16–current)|new25=List of Detective Conan episodes (seasons 16–current)|current26=Case Closed (season 16)|new26=Detective Conan (season 16)|current27=Case Closed (season 17)|new27=Detective Conan (season 17)|current28=Case Closed (season 18)|new28=Detective Conan (season 18)|current29=Case Closed (season 19)|new29=Detective Conan (season 19)|current30=Case Closed (season 20)|new30=Detective Conan (season 20)|current31=Case Closed (season 21)|new31=Detective Conan (season 21)|current32=Case Closed (season 22)|new32=Detective Conan (season 22)|current33=Case Closed (season 23)|new33=Detective Conan (season 23)|current34=Case Closed (season 24)|new34=Detective Conan (season 24)|current35=Case Closed (season 25)|new35=Detective Conan (season 25)|current36=Case Closed (season 26)|new36=Detective Conan (season 26)|current37=Case Closed (season 27)|new37=Detective Conan (season 27)|current38=List of Case Closed volumes|new38=List of Detective Conan volumes|current39=List of Case Closed volumes (1–20)|new39=List of Detective Conan volumes (1–20)|current40=List of Case Closed volumes (21–40)|new40=List of Detective Conan volumes (21–40)|current41=List of Case Closed volumes (41–60)|new41=List of Detective Conan volumes (41–60)|current42=List of Case Closed volumes (61–80)|new42=List of Detective Conan volumes (61–80)|current43=List of Case Closed volumes (81–current)|new43=List of Detective Conan volumes (81–current)|current44=List of Case Closed OVAs|new44=List of Detective Conan OVAs|current45=List of Case Closed characters|new45=List of Detective Conan characters|current46=Case Closed discography|new46=Detective Conan discography|current47=List of Case Closed video games|new47=List of Detective Conan video games|}}


This is not at all true! Case closed had high ratings but it was with teen and children viewers. Kids would stay up late to watch the show. Problem was adult swim wanted adult viewers and kim manning personally disliked the show and wanted it gone. She had admitted as much. She never wanted the show on tv and tried to sabotage it. ] (]) 20:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan films}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan: The Time Bombed Skyscraper}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan: The Fourteenth Target}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan: The Last Wizard of the Century}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan: Captured in Her Eyes}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan: Countdown to Heaven}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan: The Phantom of Baker Street}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan episodes (seasons 1–15)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 1)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 2)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 3)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 4)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 5)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 6)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 7)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 8)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 9)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 10)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 11)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 12)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 13)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 14)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 15)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan episodes (seasons 16–current)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 16)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 17)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 18)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 19)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 20)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 21)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 22)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 23)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 24)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 25)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 26)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan (season 27)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan volumes}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan volumes (1–20)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan volumes (21–40)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan volumes (41–60)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan volumes (61–80)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan volumes (81–current)}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan OVAs}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan characters}}
* ] → {{no redirect|Detective Conan discography}}
* ] → {{no redirect|List of Detective Conan video games}}
– The Japanese ] and ] series '''名探偵コナン''' is known as '''Detective Conan''' around the world because all covers of '''名探偵コナン''' 's manga volumes, anime episodes, films and OVAs made by ] call '''名探偵コナン''' as '''Detective Conan'''. In addition, when English Misplaced Pages names the seventh to twenty-third films for '''名探偵コナン''', '''Detective Conan''' is at the beginning of these films' titles (For Japanese version of the 23 films for '''名探偵コナン''', '''名探偵コナン''' is at the beginning of all these films' titles). In conclusion, '''名探偵コナン''' is reflected as '''Detective Conan'''. However, when English Misplaced Pages names the most parts of the related articles for '''名探偵コナン''', '''名探偵コナン''' is still named as '''Case Closed''', which is opposite from the reality and make more confusion and chaos. In order to reflect the reality and avoid the confusion and chaos, it is necessary to replace '''Case Closed''' with '''Detective Conan''' in the titles of the related articles for '''名探偵コナン''', as this requested move listed. ~~68.183.187.226 <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small> 15:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


:Could you provide a source for this statement? ] (]) 20:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' per ]. Manga volumes in English are still being produced with the Case Closed name, and episodes are still posted on Netflix under this name. ] (] • ]) 18:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
::{{ping|AngusWOOF}} But the reality is the official publisher ] calls '''名探偵コナン''' as '''Detective Conan''', and known around the world. ~~68.183.187.226 18:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
* '''Redirect''' Just redirect all red links. Sincerely, ]] 19:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:47, 11 December 2024

Skip to table of contents
This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Case Closed article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Archives: 1, 2, 3Auto-archiving period: 30 days 
This article is named Case Closed according to Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles).Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles) has stated se the official English titles for article names and place the transliteration of the Japanese on the first line of the article. At this time specifically the names for versions in the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, and Ireland are to be used instead of names used in Southeast Asian English versions. Any discussion on that policy should be directed to the guideline's talk page.
Good articleCase Closed has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
April 1, 2011Good article nomineeListed
This  level-5 vital article is rated GA-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject iconAnime and manga High‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Anime and manga, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of anime, manga, and related topics on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Anime and mangaWikipedia:WikiProject Anime and mangaTemplate:WikiProject Anime and mangaanime and manga
HighThis article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
WikiProject iconMedia franchises Mid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Media franchises, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics related to media franchises on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Media franchisesWikipedia:WikiProject Media franchisesTemplate:WikiProject Media franchisesmedia franchise
MidThis article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Audience

I get how popular the anime was, but understand it’s targeted audiences are still mainly teenage boys as the target demographic of a Shonen manga, anime or magazine are teen boys 12-18. But the reception article keeps making it think that the government is trying to aim the anime to kids. Which is NOT the franchise main target audiences. Especially with how dark and violent the series can be. Shonen manga and anime mainly target teenage boys and still do. Every chief-editor of the magazines have said that despite how popular their magazines are with audiences younger and older than it’s target demographic (male or female), the works within the magazines and manga themselves STILL only target teenage boys. SG1994! (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

SG1994, the article infobox already has demographic=Shonen and lists that it is printed in Shonen-titled magazines and imprints. Was there something that needed to be edited in the reception section? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Request

Hi there. I'm not here to request anything anymore. I just want if someone could please take the time to post below me all of the reasons as to why there won't be first volume cover as profile picture and an overall plot covering the entire story, so that the explanations are more in handy on the main talk page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.195.107.16 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

The volume image is from With a Bang (Case Closed) and is used to reduce the amount of Non-Free Content images on Misplaced Pages. Why would we want to add more NFC images that don't add much value to the site? The plot is pretty much up to date. Nothing significant has happened in forever and the author takes weeks off after every 3 or 4 chapters now. D.Zero (Talk · Contribs) 15:24, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Please note that 190.195.107.16 has been blocked for sockpuppetry. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Current english dub uses Japanese names

I know the point of using English vs. the original names has been brought up many, many times so I don't want to seem like I'm beating a dead horse, but I do think it's at least worth noting that TMS's most recent international releases of Detective Conan media, ie. the dubs of Movie 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23 along with Episode ONE, have all used the original Japanese character names as opposed to Funimation's old localised ones. I feel as though this is at least worth considering in the ongoing debate between using Japanese names vs. Funimation's ones.

Of course, Viz Media's manga translation does still use the localised names, so it's not like this is a 100% clear cut issue, however TMS themselves are directly involved in producing the movie dubs, so it seems pretty clear that the official preference is in favour of using the original names. ThomasGameDocs (talk) 09:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Since the manga is the primary work we should go with the names it uses.--65.93.194.2 (talk) 05:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Note there are actually two English versions of the manga. VIZ Media (US/Canada/UK/Ireland) uses new English names for main characters while Shogakukan Asia (Singapore/Malaysia/Philippines/Brunei) uses the original Japanese names. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:23, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I would like to also say that why should it always have to comply with Viz? The manga has fans all around the world and Misplaced Pages itself is an international platform so it should be feasible to use the Shogakukan Asia Manga as a reference since I feel this particular series is more famous in Asia anyway so it should comply with that instead. This is just in my opinion feel free to counteract any of the info above, thank you. VP Gerudo (talk) 15:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Per MOS:ANIME (or MOS:MANGA, same page), "If there are multiple English releases, such as both a manga and anime, use the one that is best known and that has contributed most to the work's becoming known in the English-speaking world (usually the primary work)" The Viz Media manga version has contributed most to the English-speaking world. Shogakukan started in 2014, long after the series has become well-known in English as Case Closed, and characters Jimmy Kudo, etc. This isn't a case where there were multiple English versions of fairly equal footing as with the Dragon Ball dubs. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes but I feel most people have switched over from Viz as they feel the name changes are useless and the original being more famous since the beginning is also the one most people now know in the English-speaking world, still if you have more to say feel free to continue this conversation. VP Gerudo (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
@VP Gerudo: One way to move forward is to find an analysis of how many published reliable sources in English (only in English) use the original names and how many use the dub names. Such can be evidence of needing to move to the Singapore manga names (which are the Japanese names). WhisperToMe (talk) 05:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Yes that is a good idea, will do that as soon as possible. Thanks for the suggestion. VP Gerudo (talk) 11:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
most conan fan is from outside us though 114.124.176.118 (talk) 13:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
"Well-known" in English-speaking world? That's only in North America.
Let's not forget English also being used as primary language is some Asian countries like India and Singapore where Detective Conan is being used.
Even English official title in Japan itself is Detective Conan, you can see the title being used in Japanese anime release or any non-American English anime release (e.g. Indonesia). Christian Elbrianno (talk) 16:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
@Christian Elbrianno: May I ask which version is distributed in India? If so, I'd like to find a source confirming that. As a note, the VIZ conventions apply to their release, which is distributed in the US, Canada, UK, and Ireland (not other countries). The Shogakukan Asia release is distributed to the following territories that use English as a significant language: Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, and the Philippines (I am not including Thailand and Indonesia as English speaking). The titling conventions only consider editions of this series that are released in the English language, but this shows that there are variations even among them. If I find that Shogakukan Asia's release or another one using "Detective Conan" is released in India, in my opinion that would give a stronger impetus to use "Detective Conan" instead of "Case Closed". WhisperToMe (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
No one's mentioned it yet, so I figure I'll add that the show has been being dubbed into English again on Tubi, under the joint title of "Case Closed - Detective Conan". It's available free for streaming. They've dubbed episodes 964 to 1014, and in all of them the Japanese names are used--Shin'ichi, Ran, Kogoro, Mouri, etc. Since the old Jimmy Kudo dub isn't legally available on any streaming sites nor currently airing, I believe that means the Viz manga is the only English source still using the old English names. Also, allegedly this Tubi version is also airing in India, but I couldn't find any source actually confirming that. AmbiguouslyAnonymous (talk) 03:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Remove Historical and Cultural Significance Section

Hello, I believe this section is not relevant nor all that informative and should be removed.

The first paragraph contains non-relevant historical commentary and subjective comments sourced from an undergraduate thesis. The second paragraph does not accurately represent the source it uses. "Using chopsticks" can not be considered cultural commentary. The third paragraph makes claims on music that are not supported by the pages it links to. I can not find a way to access the source but if relevant, I propose citing to it on the linked pages as well. The final paragraph comments on the setting by directly referencing episodes of the show. If included, this same paragraph would have to be included for most anime shows. The final line might be better suited to the 'Plot' section. Rspln (talk) 05:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I reread the section, and yes, there are definitely various issues with it, mainly on its focus and the use of the sources. I wouldn't mind to have it removed altogether from the article. Xexerss (talk) 05:51, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Separate page for TV series?

Just COMPLETELY gonna throw this out there out of the blue, but should this have a separate page for the TV show like Spy × Family (TV series), Black Lagoon (TV series), Bleach (TV series), and Naruto (TV series) do? Is it that major of an anime and manga series? MushroomMan674 (talk) 22:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

The TV adaptation alone definitely has enough coverage to warrant a split. Xexerss (talk) 05:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Strongly Disagree: The show has enough coverage, but that doesn’t mean the article should be split. It’s a Good Article, and splitting it would likely lower its quality. Plus, the article is less than 5,000 words, there’s no need to split it per WP:AS.
Lililolol (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
@Lililolol: I did not mean to say that the article, as it currently is, should be split. I meant to say that there is enough existing coverage (not just what is in the article alone) to make another article dedicated specifically to the anime (obviously including these references). Xexerss (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Low ratings adult swim

This is not at all true! Case closed had high ratings but it was with teen and children viewers. Kids would stay up late to watch the show. Problem was adult swim wanted adult viewers and kim manning personally disliked the show and wanted it gone. She had admitted as much. She never wanted the show on tv and tried to sabotage it. 100.1.43.38 (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Could you provide a source for this statement? Xexerss (talk) 20:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Categories: