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Graphics Lab Archive (all pre-October 2009, before the three current Workshops existed) v t e
	Completed requests from the former workshops (Images to improve & Image workshop) were archived regularly: 2006 2007 2008 2009

See also

• Category:Images for cleanup
• Category:Images for redraw
• meta:Philip Greenspun illustration project/Requests

Placeholder Images

Original:

First attempt:

Addressing some concerns:

Another scheme:

Also see Category:Misplaced Pages image placeholders and

Article(s): All articles that have missing images - used by themselves, used in infoboxes, and other templates

Request: Most people liked the newer versions, but disliked certain aspects, especially the blue. You graphics people should be able to make them a lot better, though. See Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)#Redesign_of_placeholder_images for previous discussion, including rationale. — Omegatron 13:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: A few specifics of what you would like done would be really helpful at generating interest. —Cronholm 08:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Make them look better? There are many details discussed in the link to the Village Pump. — Omegatron 04:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment: I think you'd be best keeping the discussion in one place, rather than on two different pages. Also, I really don't like the most recent images under the title "Another scheme". "Addressing some concerns:" looks better, the designs are more consistent and look smoother. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. They are less readable and less professional than even the original ones. I believe the best way to go would be a grayscale SVG theme for every category, including the "missing cover" images, in the style of "Addressing some concerns". vlad§inger 22:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I've asked for some feedback on what should be done at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)#Redesign_of_placeholder_images. It would nice to have every placeholder image on Misplaced Pages in the same style (consistancey + standardisaton = good, at least, in my mind), but I realise this is probably impossible. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I like the inconsistancy between the man and woman in the last set - the man gets head and shoulders, the woman down to her waist, and her pose is a lot less formal. Adam Cuerden 22:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. It also makes assumptions as to the generic woman's age that may, in all likelihood, not be true - imagine that cutout in, say, Queen Elizabeth II. For that matter, the American skyscraper skyline cutouts are probably not very appropriate for historical buildings, which could also cause cognitive dissonance Adam Cuerden 22:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

What about Image:No Photo Available.svg with the outline of a battleship in the background? (It's almost solely used for old Federal/DANFS ships, so you aren't likely to have much trouble there. 68.39.174.238 02:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I posted this on the Village pump on this topic: I'd like to see the request be small, italic, and bracketed. I came here from WP talk: Avoid self-references; my issue with the proposals is that they mix content and Misplaced Pages "meta-content" without enough clarity. Most of the meta-content in Misplaced Pages is italic, including disambiguations, citation needed, and stub notices. (The only meta-content not in italics are framed things like NPOV.) How about either (1) change "Click here to upload one" to smaller text in the top right that says or (2) get rid of the silhouette and go with a frame that looks more like the NPOV, perhaps with the text "No free image exists. You can help Misplaced Pages by providing one."? Consider these two versions, which make an effort to be clear about what is meta-content:

I think these are less like "...where he died in 1862. Have more information? Click here to edit the article." and more like "...where he died in 1862." —Ben FrantzDale 14:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Placeholder suggestion for CD

Article(s): see above.

Request: I had a go at making an image like Image:Nocover-upload.png in the style of Image:No male portrait.svg for a 'there is no CD picture' thing. I'd like to know what people think, and if anybody still cares about these placeholder images. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's what it would look like in an article.

Opinion(s):

Eh, nice, except that you're unlikely to be able to obtain a free image of a CD cover. Unless it's a free CD, I suppose... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Any suggestions for wording? 'No Cover Available' is on the original image. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 19:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, nearly all album covers are not free. Besides, what's wrong with the current image? - Rocket000 21:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the SVG version is indeed nicer. But yes, "no cover available" would be a better text. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 00:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Text is changed. --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 15:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

That "Click here to upload" text... Will the user actually get to an appropriate upload page by clicking the image when it is correctly used? --Slashme 09:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

it would be possible yes.Genisock2 03:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I like this one. Can you make versions of the others in a similar style? — Omegatron 04:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm more than happy to, any suggestions for specific placeholders? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 12:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I meant for all of them, including the people.  :-) At least the wording and colors. — Omegatron 02:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Errr.. I based the CD on the people themselves.... --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:35, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Above includes suggestions for Battleships and for buildings... --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 16:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Going by Image:Replace this image.svg towns, cameras and airports.Geni 12:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Map service icons

Article(s): Template:GeoTemplate / Template:GeoTemplate/sandbox / Template:GeoTemplate/sandbox/main.css

Request: There's been some work recently to improve the coordinate service list Misplaced Pages links to, and one of the proposals uses icons to signify the type of service (see example). They're perhaps understandable-ish in the proposed context, but at least the map icon needs improvement. Could someone draw or place something on it so that it looks like a map, while being different enough from the satellite icon but still keeping the same style? The hybrid one might need modification accordingly. --Para 14:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: A North Arrow on the map icon maybe? --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 17:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I had a quick go at the hybrid because I'm going on holiday for 5 days from tomorrow. Oh and for anyone who wants to continue this, the SVG's of this theme are available here (And the palette for the theme is included in it, might be useful) . > Rugby471 ⚔ 18:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

What about using this for the satellite: Rocket000 05:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. The map icon is still missing though. My idea for the hybrid was to simply put the map and satellite icons together, but we'd need a descriptive map icon first. --Para 19:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The map could have lines to show roads...

Blacklemon67: Why so much perspective distortion? I think it makes it harder to recognize. And perhaps the white street lines on the hybrid should be thicker so there' more visual difference to the sattelite icon. -- Ddxc 11:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, made a new scheme in inkscape, so they're svg-s. I hope this one works!

The second set is better and they're fine in thumbnail size, but in icon size they look so much alike. I combined the blank icon with Blacklemon67's map, but it still looks a bit pale. I guess the Gartoon style of the first icons is to use strong lines and colours? May be difficult to make them different enough, if at some points someone feels an icon for topographic maps is necessary. --Para (talk) 16:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, we'll use that. The hybrid could be the planet right next to the map.

Carletoncollegeseal

Article(s):Carleton College

Request: Please create an SVG version of this file. -- Kushal 15:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I don't think it needs to be, it is already at a fairly high res and good enough quality. > Rugby471 ⚔ 17:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The fair use nazis would probably delete an SVG. ¦ Reisio (talk) 07:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

i need to know what the tiny text in the books say --72.89.193.84 (talk) 15:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The floating book says AI AGIAI GRAFAI; the bottom book says TO KALON KAI TO AGATHON. this is taken from Carleton College's Seal webpage --Ordoon (talk) 21:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

"Ref" button on edit toolbar

Article(s): edit toolbar (not an article, part of site interface)

Request: We have recently added a button for producing "ref" tags to the edit toolbar — see Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Put button for "ref" tags in edit window toolbar. There were several icons already available for this purpose (see above), and the person who implemented it used the button on the second-to-right. However, it might be better to have a more intuitive icon, whose purpose would be more obvious to newbies. Any ideas on design? Thanks.-- Pharos (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Is the request possible? I can't imaging a graphic that is universally obvious to everyone as meaning "reference" the way, say, the "I" is obviously italics. Also, note that the toolbar icons have tooltips, so it's not a total loss. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

You could depict a footnote, the result of a ref, with the number standing out: '…ere.' ¦ Reisio (talk) 07:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

To avoid the button looking like a superscript button, have the text be something like "ref" --BsayUSD π 21:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikimedia-servers

Article(s):http://meta.wikimedia.org/Wikimedia_servers

Request: We should have each year a new version which is uptodate. Thanks. -- Kolossos (talk) 19:16, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

At the very least, can some of the more egregious errors be corrected? Didn't the Korean svrs get trashed a few years ago? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: This would probably a fairly easy project if some one would clearly state the changes that are needed. 1. What needs to be removed. 2. What needs to be added. Sagredo 18:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

This infos are here, but I can't make head or tail of some of the notations... Also, the heading at the top of the page does not make me feel like trusting it. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 22:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

What would make this simple would be if Kolossus could supply us with a simple list of how many machines are each group in the diagram above, and if any of the links need to be changed. It helps if you just presume we're stupid, which, for me, some days. is pretty much the truth. Sagredo 18:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I'm not sure that that can be easily discovered; all the documentation seems to be opaque or splattered with warnings that its out of date and not trustworthy. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 13:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but this one looks trashworthy. This will probably end up being the 1st in out (nonexistent) page of "We wont do these..." since the data to create the graph appears to be not discoverable or non decipherable. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Overlap extension PCR - molecular biology technique

 ----Seans Potato Business 11:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Article(s): OE-PCR

Request: This is an unusual request, in that I actually want to do the work myself. I created the above image a long time ago without the intention of using it on Misplaced Pages, but rather to explain to a single person what OE-PCR is. I'm trying to learn to create my own graphics (particularly interested in molecular biology illustrations) and this image should be a good, simple project to start with. The only things being displayed in the above image are arrows and DNA strands. Would Inkscape be my best option? I've seen nice work with Creature House Expression. I would like to show individual base-pairs so I can emphasise the mis-matches and ideally, I'll be able to tweak the proximity of the strands, as if they were paths in Inkscape.

I would like my base-pairs to look like these:

I would like the base-pairs to have the letter sequence inside each base as in the first example.

--Seans Potato Business 03:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: As far as software goes, Inkscape is what's usually used for wikipedia, probably because it's free and uses SVG as its native format, so you don't have to convert any of the files. AFAIK, creature house isn't free and has the same kind of features so unless you've already got a copy you're probably better off going for inkscape. Time3000 (talk) 17:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

1. Welcome! I'm sure we'll be able to sucker you into joining the graphics lab in short order ;-)
2. If you work in inkscape, you'll get very good support from the other Graphics Lab members, as many of them use it.
3. Go ahead, make your diagram, and upload it. Then ask for suggestions and improvements; I'm sure you'll get lots of help and advice (some of it from friendly people, even.) If you remind people to explain their processes, you can learn a lot very quickly.

--Slashme (talk) 14:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, you'll be drawing arrows, so let me fill you in on the first inkscape vs wikipedia gotcha that you will hit: The arrowheads that inkscape makes are not supported in wikipedia, so you have to convert your arrowheads to paths. Also, I've found that saving a file as "plain svg" helps not only to make the file smaller, but generates output that is more likely to be compatible. --Slashme (talk) 14:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice replies :)

Slashme failed to mention that the nicest people on Misplaced Pages are on this page. He's one of them. Sagredo 05:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

*blush* --Slashme (talk) 08:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there some way that I can link objects to a path so that I can change the path and have the objects follow it? I've made an SVG to demonstrate what I mean (in this example, I had to move the objects manually to match the path). This would be a very tedious method for my actual intention which is to be able to bend the DNA strands around (in the SVGs above, all the components are completely unconnected). --Seans Potato Business 20:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.petaimg.com/uploads/1198962735.svg

As far as I know, there's no way to do exactly that for objects - you can do it for text with Text -> Put on Path but that's probably not very helpful. The next closest things I can think of are the "Align and Distribute" and "Grid Arrange" options at the bottom of the Object menu. Not sure if that's any help, but let me know if you do find what you were looking for. Time3000 (talk) 18:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I think it's something we might get in 0.46 - they're calling them "markers"? Don't know if it'd actually be of any use for what I'm trying to do. When is 0.46 due? --Seans Potato Business 22:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Aligning objects along a Bezier curve is a sort of work around but changing the path wont change the flow of the pattern based up on it. --Seans Potato Business 02:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think this is done, as it was a request for information rather than a request for an image. If we can Sean back to his Potato Business to mark it done. Sagredo 01:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Screw thread profile

Any SVG artists here with an interest in the basics of mechanical engineering? We have currently two images on 60° standard screw threads can could use some improvement:

Article(s):ISO metric screw thread

Request: Problems:

• SVG file uses arrowheads, which look fine in Inkskape but which Misplaced Pages currently does not seem to render correctly.
• diagram shows only the boundary line between an internal and an external thread, not the substance of the nut and bolt to which they belong (the diagram below does that better with shading).
• unify with image below

Markus Kuhn (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment: to fix the arrowheads not rendering, all you need do is convert the arrow's stroke to a path (Object Menu/Stroke to Path). --Dave the Rave (DTR)talk 18:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

OK, I completely redrew the drawing from scratch. In this version the following changes were made:

• All lines aligned to the pixel grid (not millimetres, as Wikimedia does not render by the millimetre, leading to blurred lines at half and even at full resolution). In this version, H=320px (which divides by 2, 4, 5, 8, 10, 16, 20, 32, 40, 64, 80, 160), and H is then 300 px. The angle is about 61 degress, not 60, however this allows alignment to the pixel grid.
• The shading is put in to show where the metal is. It is D3D3D3 grey.
• Fractions like 3/8H is changed to 3H/* to avoid people thinking it is 3/(8H). Unlikely I know, but what is obvious to one man is not necessarily to another.
• All arrowheads are paths done by hand to avoid any problems.
• The axis is extended right along the bottom.

What do you think? I'll do the one below now. Inductiveload (talk) 19:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Article(s): Unified Thread Standard

Request: Problems:

• GIF
• writing H₁ instead of ⅝H seems unnecessary
• unify with image above

Both images are really meant to show (almost?) the same thing, and should be unified into a single common design. The only significant difference (if any) is that D and D₁ are swapped between the two. ISO screw threads are named after the major (=outermost) diameter of the thread, which is called D. I don't know why the US screw thread diagrams labels the minor diameter with D, this might just be a mistake in the diagram. All other differences are just artists preference and there is no reason why these two images should look any different from each other. Markus Kuhn (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

I'll get these two. Inductiveload (talk) 17:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Update: Yes, these two (ISO and Unified) are identical pictures. They use the same picture here, and when you look at the figures, its exactly the same dimensions. My new plan is to use the diagram I just made above for both, and supplement it with a diagram showing how the internal and external threads can be rounded out. I will change the D's to D_maj, D_min and D_p for major, minor and effective pitch diameters. This will make the image impervious to variations in numbering, and can be gradually incorporated into Misplaced Pages's as people edit the article as the text will have to be altered. I will also reupload it under "ISO and Unified Thread Dimensions.svg" to indicate its usefulness for both kinds of thread. Inductiveload (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Update: Sorry changed my mind again. I've gone with the two-in-one image showing dimensions, and internal and external rounding. The rounding is less pronounced than the UTS .gif above, but I think it is about right to demonstrate the principle without needing its own dimensions. Inductiveload (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent work, huge improvement. Thanks! Markus Kuhn (talk) 14:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Poliomyelitis map

Article(s): Poliomyelitis_eradication

Request: i think jpg is not the best format for a map. -- → Pepper / ? 18:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I personally think an SVG version of this map would be much too large (over 1.5 MB), but I've uploaded one anyway. From the vector version (quite easy to make from Image:BlankMap-World6, compact.svg), I've also generated a PNG, which I recommend be used in the article. I also took the liberty of updating the map with data from the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, since the original JPG didn't mention a source; the map should now match the table over at Poliomyelitis eradication—or the table needs to be updated :) Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This appears to be done, the png is up at the article. 71.221.13.130 (talk) 06:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

American Civil War maps FH11&PDF→SVG

• Image:ACW Belmont2Shiloh.png
• Image:ACW Chattanooga2Carolinas.png
• Image:ACW Corinth2Perryville.png
• Image:ACW VB2Chickamauga.png
• Image:ACW Western Overview.png
• Image:Antietam0600.png
• Image:Antietam0730.png
• Image:Antietam0900.png
• Image:Antietam1000.png
• Image:Antietam Overview.png
• Image:Appomattox Campaign.png

• Image:Appomattox Campaign.svg

• Image:BethesdaChurch-OldChurch.png
• Image:Carolinas Campaign.png
• Image:Cedar Creek Battle.png
• Image:Chancellorsville May1 2.png
• Image:Chancellorsville May3.png
• Image:Chancellorsville May4.png
• Image:Chattanooga Battle.png
• Image:ColdHarbor-June1.png
• Image:ColdHarbor-June3.png
• Image:Corinth Oct3-4.png
• Image:First Bull Run Campaign.png

• Image:First Bull Run Campaign.svg

• Image:First Bull Run July18.png

• Image:First Bull Run July18.svg

• Image:First Bull Run July21am.png

• Image:First Bull Run July21am.svg‎

• Image:First Bull Run July21 2pm.png

• Image:First Bull Run July21 2pm.svg‎

• Image:First Bull Run July21 4pm.png

• Image:First Bull Run July21 4pm.svg‎

• Image:Fort Donelson Feb14.png
• Image:Fort Donelson Feb15am.png
• Image:Fort Donelson Feb15pm.png
• Image:Fort Henry Campaign.png
• Image:Fort Henry to Fort Donelson.png
• Image:Fredericksburg-HookerAssault.png
• Image:Fredericksburg-Overview.png
• Image:Fredericksburg-SumnerAssault.png
• Image:Gettysburg Battle Map Day1.png
• Image:Gettysburg Battle Map Day2.png
• Image:Gettysburg Battle Map Day3.png
• Image:Gettysburg Campaign.png

• Image:Gettysburg Campaign.svg

• Image:Gettysburg Campaign Retreat.png
• Image:Gettysburg Cemetery Hill.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 0700.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 1000.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 1045.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 1100.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 1230.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 1400.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day1 1600.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Cemetery Ridge.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Culp's Hill Defenses.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Culp's Hill Evening.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Hood.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Peach Orchard.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Plan.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Wheatfield1.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day2 Wheatfield2.png
• Image:Gettysburg Day3 Culp's Hill Morning.png
• Image:Gettysburg East Cavalry Field1.png
• Image:Gettysburg East Cavalry Field2.png
• Image:Gettysburg East Cavalry Field3.png
• Image:Gettysburg Map.png
• Image:Gettysburg South Cavalry Field.png
• Image:Harpers Ferry.png
• Image:Iuka.png
• Image:Iuka-Corinth Campaign1.png
• Image:Iuka-Corinth Campaign2.png
• Image:Jackson Valley Campaign Part1.png
• Image:Jackson Valley Campaign Part2.png
• Image:Little Round Top1.png
• Image:Little Round Top2.png
• Image:Longstreets Knoxville Campaign.png
• Image:Maryland Campaign.png
• Image:Northern Virginia Campaign Aug7-28.png
• Image:Overland-Richmond.png
• Image:PeninsulaCampaign.png
• Image:Perryville 1400.png
• Image:Perryville 1500.png
• Image:Perryville 1545.png
• Image:Perryville 1600.png
• Image:Perryville 1615.png
• Image:Perryville 1745.png
• Image:Petersburg Apr2.png
• Image:Petersburg Aug18-19.png
• Image:Petersburg Mar29-31.png
• Image:Petersburg June15-16.png
• Image:Petersburg June21-22.png
• Image:Petersburg June30.png
• Image:Petersburg Oct27.png
• Image:Pickett's-Charge.png
• Image:Richmond-Petersburg.png
• Image:Savannah Campaign.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug28.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1000.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1200.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1500.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug29 1700.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1500.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1600.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1630.png
• Image:Second Bull Run Aug30 1700.png
• Image:Seven Days July 1.png
• Image:Seven Days June 26-27.png
• Image:Seven Days June 30.png
• Image:Seven Pines.png
• Image:Shiloh Battle Apr6am-2.png
• Image:Shiloh Battle Apr6pm.png
• Image:Shiloh Battle Apr7.png
• Image:Stones River Dec30.png
• Image:Stones River Dec31 0800.png
• Image:Stones River Dec31 0945.png
• Image:Stones River Dec31 1100.png
• Image:Stones River Dec31 1600.png
• Image:Stones River Jan2 1600.png
• Image:Stones River Jan2 1645.png
• Image:Wilson-Kautz Raid.png
• Image:Yorktown1862.png

Article(s): American Civil War and related pages

Request: Convert to SVG. This one is huge, but it's not as bad as it looks. The author has put the source files on the web in FH11 and PDF format. If you open them in Adobe Illustrator, you should be able to save them in SVG format. After that, I would also recommend opening the SVG versions in Inkscape and saving as "Plain SVG". Would do it myself, but I don't have Adobe Illustrator. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 03:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

euh... We can do lot... but that lot it's a bit too "lot" for the moment. So I think this request will not be complete this year. Yug 05:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC) Massive PNG to SVG maps conversion is planed (for 2009 ? 2010 ?)

Can you guarantee that the author's website with the source files will still be there in 2010? You just have to click Save As... It's not that hard. It's good mindless clerk work if somebody with Illustrator has time to kill. -- I. Pankonin (t/c) 08:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

It's possible to make quick PNG->SVG conversions, but without changing the colors, and the reseult will provide little comparative gains compare to former PNG.

But if we want to make a good work with shape check-improvement, SVG simplification (just the dots need), convert the image-text into true text that's about 30 min by maps (download-work-reupload). When we talk about 5 maps, that's a good work to do. When we talk about 60 maps, that's a huge work as to graphists who are volunteers here to have fun. So yes, that's convertible, but I say it clearly : the changes that your request may be satisfied is not high. Yug 06:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd work on it if I had Illustrator. Maybe you guys can start a collection  ; ) Sagredo 06:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

If you just need a soft to covert PNG to SVG, you can download Inkscape. Yug 06:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.228.38.201 (talk)

Could I suggest (Since all the filenames are going to be changed) a uniform naming scheme, like "Image: Battle of (ACW), .svg" (A suggestion)? Alsp, you can get the "source" from the original author here in Freehand drawings. This might make it easier. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 08:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

His source file are in "Fh11", a format that even the English Misplaced Pages know nothing about. I just tryed to open one with Inkscape : failed. It will be need to look on google to know if Fh11 is a vector format, and then look for Fh11 to SVG converter. Yug 20:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.203.61.15 (talk)

FH is Macromedia/Adobe FreeHand. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 13:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, Illustrator CS3 30-day free trial + above files = SVGs. Have a look at Image:First Bull Run Campaign.svg, which I created from the .ai file available at Hal's website. It was quite easy, and not too time-consuming. I converted all text on paths (and text set in Myriad) to outlines, exported to SVG, and did a search-and-replace to make all the remaining text render in Arial. I'm trying out the .FH11 files now. They don't seem so cooperative, but I'm guessing it's only a matter of time ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 22:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks perfect except the background shouldn't be transparent. I fixed this one. It's easy enough in Inkscape - it's in Document Properties (ctrl-shift-d). I don't know where it would be in Illustrator. I think the best way to list these is with an indented bullet under the original (see above). Thanks for giving this an attempt; I thought everybody would be too intimidated to start. -- I. Pankonin Review me! 08:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Opaque background doesn't seem to be working. I'll give it a while and then upload a version with a white rectangle behind everything. -- I. Pankonin Review me! 10:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've done so with Image:First Bull Run July18.svg. I'm quite impressed that, even with some text as outlines, the filesize is only one-fifth that of the PNG version. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 16:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, FH11 officially tamed ;) How's this? Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• PNG
• SVG from FH11

Uninvolved viewer: except for when I view them directly in Ffx 2.0.0.11, they appear perfect. Clearly MW renders them better. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

This has been my experience as well. SVG always seems to render better than even ultrahigh-resolution PNG images, and it becomes more apparent when the rendered image gets smaller. About this map, there seems to be a difference in the tone of brown for the geography. It looks like it's slightly transparent in the PNG image. -- I. Pankonin Review me! 23:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that as well; the terrain layer was significantly darker in the source file than in the PNG—maybe opacity information is lost when you import FH11 into Illustrator? Sorry, 68, but I completely missed your naming scheme suggestion above—I'm using the same file names as the PNGs :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 12:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

That's OK; for now using the same name will be the best way since it will involve a minimum of confusion. When MW finally is able to pagemove images, we can (WP:ACW can?) come up with a standard nomenclature. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 17:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, then, I'll keep hacking away at these. Maybe they'll be done by June :) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanx; with so many of them and so little actual artistic skills required it's probably quite slow and boring. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 04:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Setting Standards for Images

There is discussion about setting standards for images on the talk page. It is important that everyone with an understanding of this subject read the two articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve#IMPORTANT_: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve#Some_standards_of_our_own

Ukrainian SSR Map

Is anyone willing to please look at this and offer their opinion? Is the request too difficult, or too time-consuming, or something else? Thank you in advance for your assistance. Bry9000 (talk) 20:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Article(s):Ukrainian_Soviet_Socialist_Republic

Request: Please remove or lighten the vertical band in the center of the page. I realize that this map should ideally be re-scanned; however, the original uploader can't be reached. Thank you. Bry9000 (talk) 23:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I'm not sure this is an improvement, and the more you do, the more it looks retouched. I tried it once before, and tend to think the obvious crease is better because the viewer recognises it as such. Sorry this isn't better, thanks for bringing it in. Sagredo 22:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've tried uploading the new image at Misplaced Pages Commons under "upload a new version," and I'm getting an error message: "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again." Does anyone know what's going on? Thank you. Bry9000 (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't know why that is. But if you want to use it, I'll try a little more at cleaning it up and then (try) upload over the old image. Sagredo 18:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please do. Thank you; I appreciate your work on the image and your assistance with the re-upload. Bry9000 (talk) 19:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It's what we're here for. Thanks for bringing it in. Sagredo 19:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Map of Annaba Province, Algeria

Article(s): Everything in Category:Annaba Province.

Request: The same thing as for this request: I need a vector version of the maps in the link above (it's the same map) showing the administrative borders of the municipalities and districts of Annaba Province, Algeria, but without he any text, without legends, and with no different colors. Each municipality should be individually selectable. Thanks. -- escondites 16:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: How many of the 48 provinces do you want to do. If it's many, I think could write an instruction page so any Inkscape newbie familiar with the basic tools could draw one. It would be fairly efficient, and a very good exercise in working with paths. Plus yielding nice results. I'm horribly backed at present, and shouldn't take on anything additional right now.

The corollary question: Are there some people out there who would be interested in giving this a go? Sagredo 06:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• I think 6 are already done, and so there are 42 to go... But if you can make a tutorial to show me how to do it, I could probably do it by myself, actually, the only things I can do with Inscape are fill and stoke, writing text and covert it as paths, and making minimal boolean operations, but I'm aweful at freehand drawing! --escondites 06:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Freehand drawing skill is not required. It's a matter of just picking points along the border. Don't think curves - zoom in and just pick as many points as required to follow the borders. I was hoping to be Tom Sawyer painting the fence in Huckleberry Finn, and get several people going on it. Others still might show up, and this may be useful for maps elsewhere. This concept intrigues me, and things that intrigue me get done sooner. I'll get going within a couple of days, and then I just need to stay ahead of you. Sagredo 08:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You can generate SVG maps automatically with much more precision than by using Inkscape and tracing a path from a raster image. Use a software such a Ogis2svg, and a PD shapefile. It's faster, requires no skill, and much more precise (it can be as precise as you like up to the precision of the original data recorded). This way you use the true power of SVG; tracing a raster image into an SVG path is pointless IMO, as you can only loose precision never gain any. Jackaranga (talk) 17:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

And what exactly is Ogis2svg, and what is a PD shapefile? --escondites 10:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ogis2svg is software. Slashme, Fvasconcellos do speak that language, I don't. I will continue with plan A in case plan B doesn't appear. Sagredo 02:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Life Expectancy Graph from WRI data

Article(s):

• Life expectancy
• Poverty
• AIDS pandemic
• Measuring poverty

Request: Is currently a PNG, lines are heavily aliased. Could someone heavily versed in gnuplot or similar make this into an SVG, with the latest data and with nice pretty lines and without Times New Roman? :D Thanks. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 10:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I can do this quite easily: this afternoon when I get home I'll check whether the request is still open, and if no-one has beat me to it, I'll sort it out. --Slashme (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, had to replace this request as it got deleted by accident some time today. I'll have a look at it in a few hours. --Slashme (talk) 18:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, due to power brownouts, an early morning tomorrow and a wife who insists that we go to bed :-| I am only uploading an incomplete job. The source data and gnuplot script are in the svg file at the end. --Slashme (talk) 20:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I have now removed the titles from the graph itself to make it easier to re-use the chart on other language articles, and put it into the image description page in a form that can be cut and pasted into a caption. I have also corrected the x-axis numbers (I had them as single years to make the plotting easier, but now they are ranges.) Let me know what you would still like to see. --Slashme (talk) 06:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Massive improvement. Unless it's against some guideline or other, could we have the y scale going up to 90 but only starting at 20 or 30? The actual data seems to be squashed up at the top which is a bit of a waste of vectorised space. One problem - if I zoom into the graph using IE (god forbid I should have to touch that program, but in the interests of compatibility...) the text becomes pixelated as if it were a bitmap - is there an explanation for this? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 18:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Complete?↔NMajdan•talk 14:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not like Slashme to leave something undone for so long. (Hope he's Ok. - probably just too tired after those "brownouts!") I'm a poor stand in for him on this, but I think this is what you want. On this page it is rendered into a png by Wiki, and you might see pixels. You don't actually get the svg until here I increased the svg document size, that should help. Sagredo 05:22, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, guys, I guess I should put a "wikibreak" template on my user page: This weekend is the South African Open Go Tournament and next week I'm doing an M.Sc. defense talk. After that I should be more productive.

As for this picture, it looks like "version 2" is just fine, so maybe we can save that one over the original SVG and mark this as done? --Slashme (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Expansion of Russia

Article(s): Russia

Request: Can someone please reproduce this excellent Britannica image I found of the growth of Russia? Obviously I can't upload the Britannica image and I also wanted to make it chronological moving image like this , but this is not necessary. Best regards,-- Miyokan (talk) 07:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

• the image is a copyvio, and as such I nominated it for deletion. But there is a French remake in PNG - you might want to ask for a source file for that. Renata (talk) 23:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

before the English one is deleted, we will need the text as the French just doesn't do it. Chris (クリス) (talk) 01:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The French version looks like it was drawn as a vector. "Histoire de Russie" has the same png. We should ask the French if they have the original in vector form or unlabeled. Which I will attempt to do with the help of babelfish. Sagredo 05:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Meanwhile, I have asked User:Astrokey44, the creator of the mobile map, if he will come lend a hand. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The Babel fish transmitted the message. Alas, I am afraid that we havn't an SVG version. But I will ask to Pline, the creator of this map. Sémhur, from the Atelier Graphique, 10:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

There are no SVG version. I have made a blank map version here : Image:Expansion-de-la-Russie-blan.png--82.67.195.236 (talk) 11:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC) Pline

I put a thank-you on the French page, with the hope we could return the favor. I have just enough high school French that I can usually tell if Babelfish makes an error - syntax errors are the most common, but I remember the syntax. This might be the first either lab has asked the other in this manner. Given the nice and very quick response we received, I would hope that at least one or two others would also visit the French talk page and leave a simple Thank you (english would be fine) and user name We may be in a way competitors, but it should be friendly and at a high level. The link will take you to the appropriate section, look for my username (preview = previsualisation save = sauvegarder ) The pages have exactly the same layout Sagredo 18:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know why these other images were put up but I requested whether it would be possible to reproduce this Britannica image rather than work with any of these existing images.--Miyokan (talk) 10:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• reply my fault, was trying to revive your stale request, won't happen again. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Possible, yes, but there would be several problems. The biggest is that it would most likely result in a derivative which would still be a copyright vio. And take a lot of work. It would be much more work than using the very nice blank map the French were kind enough to bring to us. A thought would also be to look in the Russian wiki. Russia and History of Russia There is a very nice map of the whole country, although, or course, with Russian Names, and defining the expansion areas would be very difficult, and it still doesn't show Alaska. Sagredo 18:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The map Image:Expansion-de-la-Russie-blan.png is a derivative of Image:Muscovy-Russia 1300-1796.jpg, which is up for deletion as a copyright violation, and will thus be deleted also. best not to base any more work on these maps, they are copyright violations, and any derivatives will be copyvios also. Jackaranga (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh calm down there, I was about to go and vote as keep. Jackaranga (talk) 15:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for biting, usually you're in the other camp, so I thought it was you. I am going for a walk, this is driving me nuts. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Image:Meyers b14 s0080a.jpg may be of some use also, it shows the expansion also for the Asian part of Russia, but is in German and the text is almost too small to read. Jackaranga (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that's perfect, seriously, the bottom map provides the right perspective including Alaska, and gives borders that can be traced in the right places, which M. Sagredo is brilliant at, and we can substitute text. Good catch, Jackaranga! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

random thought, when we do come up with a good map, might be a good idea just to leave it as a template with dates but no language, then each Wiki can add their own. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Alas, there really isn't enough on the German map to work from. Jackaranga, can your software generate a map of Russia + Alaska with rivers, oceans seas, the present borders of russia, and alaska using the same simple cylindrical projection? 3000 px wide or so. Or do one of the whole world, I can crop and if necessary it wouldn't be hard to cut alaska off the right and stitch it on the

left. Or today's Russia and all the other countries of the region. latitude and longitudes line like the German map. a raster, png.preferred svg is OK, I can convert it if necessary. What the German map does tell me is that I can transform a conic projection into a cylindrical projection reasonably well. I should be able to use the French data and copy the expansion in the west, and use the german map for the east. Then we'll need a translator to figure out what is what.

Or given that the original requester seems to has left in disgust, (and likely will never return) we could just label the French map and put it up. And give some thought as to whether or not we should try to limit the inquisition into possible copyvio problems, unless we're fairly sure something is wrong. Assume good faith on the part of the uploader and requester that the copyrights are in order and Avoid copyright paranoia This has been very bad for the lab and is getting worse. Sagredo 16:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

• I fully intend to make an animated timeline of Russia in the same vein as my Mexico, Canada, and CSA timelines. It might not happen right now. :P --Golbez (talk) 16:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

That's wonderful to hear. They all look great. If we can be of assistance in any way. please let us know. Thanks Sagredo 23:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Coats of Arms of Algeria

Article(s):Emblem of Algeria

Request: I created the second image and I'm not very satisfied with the result... Could someone please make it look more like the first image? And now something quite more difficult: Can some vectorize the images 3, 4, and 5? (image no. 4 is the same as no. 3, except that the background is white) Thanks a lot! -- escondites 11:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: But on Image:Algeria emb (1976).gif the license specifically says: vector versions are not permitted, and you are asking it be converted to scalable vector graphic ? This is just not logical. Jackaranga (talk) 15:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

To speak to the tag-it means that the image specifically from that website may not be used in vector form, as they sell those, so you can't get them free here. However it does not say we cannot redraw it from the base up as a usable wikifriendly version. The images website does not hold the copyrights for the design itself, the Algerian government does. Chris (クリス) (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing the images in, Escondites, Redrawing the images in vector for would be allowed. Sagredo 20:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll have a go at them. Jackaranga (talk) 20:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope you're right about them being free, and not copyright restricted by the Algerian government though, it seems the source may have in fact copied the images from the internet without much thought of copyright. Also see http://www.fotw.us/flags/dz).html some appear slightly different on that page. Jackaranga (talk) 20:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the FOTW website here shows a version with blue background, but also states that the website of the Algerian embassy to the UN shows again the white one, so it is the right one (and as an Algerian, I have to say that I've never seen a blue version of our emblem). However, I'm sure it is useful to the Wikigraphist to take a look at it as it is larger as the one here. BTW: The text on emblem no. 3 and 4 is Arabic and is:

الجمهورية الجزائرية الديمقراطية الشعبية

and the one on the first emblem is

ج

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Escondites (talk • contribs) 09:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

• I'm working on the one with the blue background, it's coming, don't worry it's just tedious drawing all the grains and leaves. Here is this one for the now. Jackaranga (talk) 18:24, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks nice till now, , you did an awesome job on vectorizing these tiny bitmaps! (I did some minor changes to these images, I know it must have been a tough job for you to "draw" Arabic) And can please you make the brown hand of Fatima having more symetrical fingers? BTW: During the alterations I did, the star and crescrent got in the BG, can you fix it? TIA. --escondites 17:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've been pretty busy at work lately, I will put the elements back in the right order, but I was wondering why you changed the sun, it doesn't look much like the one in the png image now. Also I think it's deliberate the hand is not symmetrical, but I will try copying the one from the 1971 insignia across and see how it looks. Jackaranga (talk) 23:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Colorado College map

Article(s): Colorado College

Request: Since we're doing the University of Oklahoma map above... the dimensions are at http://www.coloradocollege.edu/welcome/campus_map/ -- Chris (クリス) (talk) 07:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Yes, we are doing U of OK, but we are not enthused. I don't mind the drawing, but labeling. . . CC doesn't look as bad for that. I did U of OK because I thought it looked bad for the lab to have things sit there for long. I should be getting my backlog of stuff cleared out. Sagredo 07:54, 19 January 2008 (UTC) COA of Nepal is moving along well. I'll start on this in a few days, unless someone else wants it. Sagredo 19:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

If you don't want to do this, maybe send it over to the Greenspun project? I hear they have quite the dilemma - lots of money to spend on images but nothing to draw. -- I. Pankonin (t·c) 06:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I was kind of hoping to hold out for Greenspun to keep raising the fee until it at least reaches minimum wage: ) Actually Greenspun is not for maps If you want it take, if not, it's next on my list. Sagredo 00:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

More Zimbabwean Coats of Arms

Article(s): Bulawayo, Chitungwiza, Mutare, Gweru, Marondera, Zimbabwe, MDC

Request: To make SVG versions of the above images. Its a lot to ask and if it can't be done, it can't be done. The flags can be made using the coats of arms once an SVG has been made for them so no need to make the COAs twice. The writing on the Chitungwiza Banner should read Pamberi Nekushandria Pamwe. The Bulawayo flag is the Bulwayo COA on a blue bkgd. It looks different in the image above but use the image as in the COA as this is the proper version. SVG Zimbabwe COA and enlarge for clarity if possible. Many thanks Mangwanani (talk) 17:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

• OK, the MDC flag was easy. Some of these coats of arms, however, are at a low resolution—I'm concerned about losing detail if we try to vectorize them. That may just be me, though :) Why is the Chitungwiza COA tagged as a logo? Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Most of them are tagged as logos probably because when I uploaded them I couldn't find the right tag. To be fair they are logos in a sense... I thought the low resolution may be a problem but if it can't be done, it can't be done. The Bulawayo one is of a high resolution and the flag for it can be made by sticking the logo onto a blue background. The flag that is shown above for the Blwo flag I don't think is right as I never remember seeing the flag with a logo like that so I would stick to the logo shown as I got that off official documentation. Thanks Mangwanani (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry I keep adding to it but it would be great if they could all be done. Mangwanani (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Don't apologize :) I'll list those already done below. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 10:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

• Could the colours for the Air Force flag be a bit darker? More of a teal and a navy? Mangwanani (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I used the color approximations listed at the Commons' Pantone approximation chart for British flag colours, they would look a bit different than those used in the GIF. They'll look closer to what you expect depending on monitor settings—for instance, if I set the color temperature of my LCD display to 6500K, the Air Force ensign looks teal, and if I set it to 9300K, the flag looks sort of a sky blue. The colors I chose are used by most SVGs of British-style ensigns, which makes for more consistency across articles; I can change them if you'd like, though. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 17:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
    • No its fine if theres a standard way of doing it. I'm still new to all this but you have a way of working which works so I shall try not to interefere! I still don't know about the Rhodesian flag and COA which was done some time back. I still think the COA looks too green... Mangwanani (talk) 20:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Ok, so the flags were deleted before you could make SVG versions of them. However, all the flags/COAs I listed can be found here . Thanks. Mangwanani (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Argh—I should have downloaded them first, I only got the Marondera COA and flag. Oh well, FOTW it is. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to get them from FotW now, Commons dropped the bomb on us! 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Someone should go there and administer a good Whacking with a Wet Trout. Sagredo 04:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

• I added an older insignia to the airforce collection. It seems most of the examples I saw had a ratio of 1:2. Is this generally correct for this type of flag? aliasd·U·T 04:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Tooth of Time

Article(s): Boy Scouts of America

Request: lighten for detail -- Chris (クリス) (talk) 06:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Adjusting Brightness/contrast to see the mountain results in a washed out sky. Which can be fixed, although a close examination of the skyline might reveal some flaws. Most of which disappeared with downsampling (3000px to 1500). Sagredo 21:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

World population

Article(s): World population

Request: SVGify, make background white, spell new title correctly Image:WorldPopulation.svg, thanks! -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Well, the image is easy enough, but damn, you need it spelled rihgt? Sagredo 02:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC) It was fairly easy to get a png with a white background from PS. I've not been able to get inkscape's tracer to do more than trace an exceptionally good black and white, and then it seems to have to be large. Others may very well be able to do more with it. Slashme and probably others can generate svg's of such things from raw data, making very nice and very accurate images. The other question is how long before this needs to be updated? Sagredo 05:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know that there's any rush, what you've done thus far is great! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Movement for unification of Romania and Moldova

Article(s): Movement for unification of Romania and Moldova

Request: please color rivers in the eastern chunk blue to match rest of map, SVGify if possible. -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:
Comment: I do not have "eagles eyes", but it seems to me that the rivers on the eastern chuck are already blue, I might be wrong, or there is something wrong with the LCD, or I did not note them. A more experienced graphist could help here. Also, I tried to SVGify it via Inkscape, and I have to be honest with you, it will take a lengthy amount of time to accomplish this feat. Brightness cutoff at 0.5, or edge detection at 1, or color quantization at 50-all with 0.85 tolerance- would not work, perhaps because the large quantity of details in this rather low resolution image. Well, this would mean that all text sould be rewritten again using Arial, and then colouring the traced map... very time-consuming but doable nonetheless.I am sorry I could not be of help here, but an experienced graphist as I said before, could perhaps do the job better and faster, but not me :-(.Λua∫Wise 19:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The rivers surrounding the word MOLDOVA are a charcoal grey, compared to the other rivers. Thank you for trying, I appreciate it. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

If you enlarge the image until one pixel is 4 or 16 on your screen, you can see that the rivers are were a combination of blue pixels and tan pixels. Start by cutting away the problem area to a new layer, so Photoshop's little magic wand won't also select things you don't want. Select the tan with magic wand, fill with blue. Repeat, as there are several shades of tan, as the wand was set to be very selective. Reassemble the layers. finis. Λua∫Wise , we do appreciate that you came by, there's always plenty of images to work on. This page is usually a fun place to be, most graphists are good to try to help others, it's a good place to learn. Sagredo 01:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Since both of them are GNU, can this one go to Commons? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Getting kind of bold, aren't you? Sagredo 03:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Am I? If so I did not mean to be. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I was joking about the copy vio nazis over there. Sagredo 03:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody know the source of this image? It looks a little too fancy to me to be GNU-self. -- I. Pankonin (t·c) 06:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't, I found a similar image also labeled GNU, with just slight modification of the northeast border, inclusive of Transdnistria, where the orange map is not. It seems to me I have seen the similar image as State Department numbers. Because the rivers were different colors originally, I would say it is somehow two images spliced together. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

the third image appears to be stitched together from the CIA Factbook maps of the two countries. It should be PD-GOV Sagredo 21:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Ian Smith

Article(s): Ian Smith

Request: Would it be possible to separate the image from the signature and then to create a SVG version of the signature as done with the Mugabe signature? Mangwanani (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Do you know about copyright in signatures ? I was thinking about nominating the one for Mugabe for deletion, but decided against, as it seemed a bit unkind, just after someone had gone to the effort of vectorising it. I don't know about any special dispositions for copyright on signatures, I'm thinking they are probably copyrighted, but I might be mistaken, unless you know for sure, maybe a little research or a question at WP:COPYRIGHT would be in order, before putting effort into something which might be deleted. Also I see the image is fair-use so making a vector version would not be allowed. (can't make derivatives of copyrighted material) Jackaranga (talk) 19:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

If you know more about this let us know please, else we may have to look into it further. Jackaranga (talk) 19:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I hadn't thought of that. But the message I got across from Commons was that if you make something then the copyright is yours even if it is entirely an image created by someone else, eg. flags. So if someone created an SVG version of the signature they could claim copyright for it in the same way as flags surely? Thats my current view right or not. Mangwanani (talk) 19:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

But if that's your logic, you could take a photo copyrighted art (to which the producer of the art has copyright), vectorise it and then hold that the vectorised version is free from the original copyright, but that can't be the case. This is a case for the copyright reference desk. --Seans Potato Business 22:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think Sean is probably right for wikipedia, however on the commons I'm thinking it may be accepted as Image:Signature of Robert Mugabe.jpg seems not to be copyrighted, perhaps this one isn't either. Jackaranga (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Assuming that the uploader of the image was correct in stating that it is not copyrighted. Signature#Copyright says that it's not possible to copyright signatures in the US but I don't know about other countries. --Seans Potato Business 23:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah good, that's exactly the kind of exception I thought might of existed, but I wasn't sure, so I'm guessing it's fine to extract that signature, vectorise it, and upload it as PD ineligible then. Jackaranga (talk) 00:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not sure. While a signature itself cannot be copyrighted, this particular signature forms part of a copyrighted poster and since you would be deriving your SVG from a copyrighted material, that might not be allowed. If the signature was available somewhere else, on its own, then that clearly would be okay, but it's unclear in this case. I suggest taking it to the copyright reference desk. --Seans Potato Business 00:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

As signatures are not eligible for copyright, placing one in a poster does not give the publisher a copyright to the signature. It can be used. (Using the U. S. law) Signatures are put in the catagory of simple objects like circles or stars. I have in the past been involved in publishing postcards, and have seen product we order from one printing firm arrive with (c) printing company. Not (c) Sagredo. This was on postcards using photos I had personally taken. We sent them a fairly angry letter (and no more orders.) Copyright symbols can be put anywhere, they're not always valid.

The wiki rules about cropping from fair use images use this analogy. If a painting of roses is used in the article of the author as a example of the author's style, that's fair use. But we are not allowed to crop out a rose to illustrate the article on roses. Unless we come up with someone willing to research Zimbabwean copyright law, I would go by the U. S. law and assume that this signature is the equivalent of a circle or star. We can do with it as we want. If someone wants to claim it violates Zimbabwean law, let them bear the burden of proof, and they can go do the research. Sagredo 03:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Analogy. If a book contained a phrase from the U. S. Constitution, and the book was copyrighted, the owner of the copy would not suddenly have gained a copyright to that part of the constitution. Only the remaining part of the book would be covered by the copyright. Sagredo 03:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

To be fair, Zimbabwe doesn't really have any laws let alone copyright laws of a signature of a person that the current president would probably describe in a mega-negative way. I should know, I come from there and have met good old Uncle Bob himself. Mangwanani (talk) 18:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Map of the Battle of Kostiuchnówka

Article(s): Battle of Kostiuchnówka

Request: I have translated a Polish map but it was deleted due to being a replaceable fair use. Leaving aside the fact that the original I scanned was published in a rare newspaper and there are no other maps of the battle I am aware, nor mentions of it (so an individual who would want to make a map would have to start from scratch, most likely), I have reuploaded it off-site here. I hope that somebody can use it to create a free variant. PS. Translation of few items I was unable to do on the old map: 'Polski Lasek' - Polish Forest, 'Polska Góra' - Polish Hill, 'Brygada' - Brigade. -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Piotr, would you object if the map view was from above rather than the side as it is now? Even rotating the image that way would make it our own, and closer to not having to worry about copyright. Let me know what you think. Krzyzszek Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

More SVGery

Articels: Indonesia and related (Including the copyright tag)

Request: SVGify 68.39.174.238 (talk) 19:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppinion:

PFLP flag

Article(s): PFLP

Request: This was, possibly, made into an SVG from this image which has a slightly messed up circle because of low resolution. I'd like anyone fluent in SVG editing to make a smooth circle of the same width so that it won't look so odd when scaled. Should be relatively easy. Thanks -- gren グレン 06:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I'm gonna try now. ----Seans Potato Business 11:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Operation halted: Is this an official version? The flag already detracts in a few ways from this. Would it be better to start over? ----Seans Potato Business 11:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I think the answer is neither... or both... or all. http://www.pflp.ps/english/ I would imagine the flag in the banner is close to official but if you look at http://www.pflp.ps/img/martyrs/martyrs.jpg you see a version without the notch on the upper left. My guess would be that there is an acceptable amount of variation but I think the one in the banner on the website might be ideal.

this might be more accurate and I think this one might be reliable because it's actually a printed flag... but I'm not sure if that is an official event and I had seen a different flag which actually included Arabic text. gren グレン 12:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you can contact the organisation and ask them for an official SVG? Until then, I've simplified it (the simplify function removes nodes - you can read about it in the Inkscape 'advanced' tutorial; press Shift + S to try it out). It meant moving the arrow in place manually, so you might want to inspect it yourself. The circle still isn't perfect, but it's hopefully a bit better. Maybe a better tactic would be to re-create the whole circle but that doesn't help much with the semi-circle inside. --Seans Potato Business 12:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Not sure how I'd contact them... and, well, being designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. makes that particularly unwise. Thank you for your work and the circle does look better. gren グレン 06:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

SVG help

I hope I am asking this at the right place, if not can someone please redirect me? I've created a page about Ralph Millard, a plastic surgeon who pioneerd a procedure in repairing a cleft lip. To illustrate the procedure I created two images:

• incisions
• movement of the flaps

To compare, this is what it should look like:

• incisions
• movement of the flaps

As you can see, the SVGs come out totally wrong. Is there anyone who can check what's going on? I've uploaded the image a few times with minor tweaks to no avail. Felsir (talk) 07:25, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I know what's going on; I'll get back to you in a short while. --Slashme (talk) 09:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorted! The problem was that different programs interpret "undefined" fill in different ways. Inkscape and rsvg (the renderer used by Misplaced Pages) make it a solid black fill, which is why if you want no fill you must say "fill=none". --Slashme (talk) 09:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Felsir (talk) 14:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

AIDS pandemic

Article(s):

Request: SVGify and, um, correctly spell it prevalence. Also, can anyone figure out what is meant by "doted" in the image description? -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it means that the exact percentage is written on the country itself... --escondites 10:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: I think I can do this, it should be ready tomorrow. (Except if someone did it faster). --escondites 10:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Voila! Sorry that you had to wait so long! PS: The map legend should be made using the legend template to make a template in the picture caption instead. (Like in the article Central Africa)

ASA logo

Articel: As linked in the image above

Request: Trim the space around the logo (There's alot of transparent buffering). Also, this looks easy to SVG, but it's not a widely used logo, so I'm hesitant to request it; does anyone thing it would be useful to do so? 68.39.174.238 (talk) 00:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: It would be useful to know what font is used... Anyway, what do you think? --escondites 17:08, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

The original font looks exactly like Arial/Helvetica to me. Stannered (talk) 18:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I hate to say it, but the difference in fonts is obvious: The original "S" is much more curved, and the color appears much blacker. Can you try and trace the letters? Thanx... 68.39.174.238 (talk) 23:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

And this is why I don't do more image work on wikipedia. The SVG's that are acceptable here do not support font embedding, so the only solution is to trace outlines, which I'm pretty sure violates font copyright laws in the US (raster is ok, but vector outlines is not). The next thing that comes to mind is that isn't not a good idea to make an SVG out of a non-free image? Seems to go against WP:FUC #3(b).-Andrew c  04:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"The U.S. Copyright Office holds that a bitmapped font is nothing more than a computerized representation of a typeface, and as such is not copyrightable." The above typeface raster is not protected. Only the "font output program" is protected. Sagredo 07:08, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

And, oh, should you figure out that this is a logo or trademark, it's still free. as nothing in it is copyrightable. ]Sagredo 08:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

YWCA

Article(s): YWCA

Request: clean up aging, brighten, perhaps graphically mask out the adhesive holder at the top, trim out, in short, do do that voodoo that you do so well (apologies to Cole Porter) -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: Here's my humble attempt. --escondites 16:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

That is beautiful, thank you! May I ask a favor? Would you try one other version, with the full background, just not the white edge? It will show it as being a poster, then we can decide which image would be nicer for the article. Again thank you so much! Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Like this? --escondites 18:30, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

The cache has not yet purged for me, I will let you know soon. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Beautiful, would you please overwrite the existing image to preserve the image history? Thank you! :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

A very blatant SVG

Articels: {{US-company-stub}}

Request: SVGify, using the two stated sources, and maybe remove the whitespace around the edges. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppinion: I've got a couple of ideas I'd like to try. 1 Reversing the icon right to left, so the smoke and flag both indicate the same wind direction. 2 raising up the smoke so it does not go in front of the flag. (Or will this mess up a whole set of icons?) Sagredo 05:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anyone will complain, especially since it is more compact. If not, I'll let you know and/or try and argue the point with them. Thanx, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 16:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Governorates of Tunisia

Articels: All the Governorates of Tunisia

Request: First, can the "11" in Governorate 11 be changed to use the same font as the rest of them; secondly, can you create 1 for each governorate (After the pattern of the one shown above) to replace the JPEG images there now? I don't think you need to implement the huge salt plain in the SVG. Thanx, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 02:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppinion:There are already maps for each governorate (created by me 4 months ago *brag*) at Category:Governorates of Tunisia, even tough only the French wiki uses them AFAIK. I corrected the "11", and made other tiny changes. Resolved? BTW: I found out that the guys at the Arabic Wiki use a different numbering, shown here, probably it's the right one which should also be used on this map, I mean, it's their country after all. --escondites 17:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I suspect you mean commons:Category:Governorates of Tunisia ;). Anyway, I like the SVGs there since they don't have numbers, which simplifies this immensely. Not to mention that I can't find any source that can back up either choice of #s. The English #s are obviously just alphabetical order, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's the same for the Arabic map. Unfortunately there are WAY too many non-vector images of the Governorates on Commons that should probably be suppressed in favor of the SVGs, or the SVGs and one set of rasters, but CheckUsage is down, so that can't be done except on eN, where I will do it now. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 02:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

All images replac'd on the Governorate pages, one question though, what's with the border difference between Image:TN-14.svg and Image:Tunisia medenine gov.jpg? I know they can't be exactly the same, but that appears large enough to be worth asking about. Thanx again, 68.39.174.238 (talk) 02:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hillsboro, Oregon map

Article(s): Hillsboro, Oregon

Request: Create a map to use for this city in an effort to move towards FA. I have yet to find a free use image that would show the outline of the city, major roads/streets, and show the neighborhoods. This PDF from the city shows sort of what I had in mind, but would want less detail for the Misplaced Pages article. -- Aboutmovies (talk) 07:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

King Rat

Article(s): King Rat (1962 novel)

Request: correct perspective for straight on, maybe using http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/perspective/en.shtml -- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

Another world population chart

Article(s): World population

Request: Any way to visually improve this chart would be appreciated. -- Rmhermen (talk) 01:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

For instance? Color? Date milestones? What have you in mind? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps use a log scale on vertical axis to convey more detail? --IPiAweKid (talk) 06:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Prosthaphaeretic slide rule

Article(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/Prosthaphaeresis

Request: I am no artist and this is my first attempt at a vector image. A more polished and perhaps more realistic replacement may be needed. To make it more realistic, I think the sliding attachment point for the second string (black oval) should instead be represented by a sliding attachment like the cursor on a traditional slide rule, and the bars should have a more detailed (and readable) set of scales. --IPiAweKid (talk) 06:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion:

Request title

Article(s):Harare

Request: Possible conversion to SVG format? Thanks Mangwanani (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Graphist opinion: