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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

• If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
• If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
• If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
• Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

• Misplaced Pages:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
• Misplaced Pages:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
• Misplaced Pages:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
• Misplaced Pages:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

• WP:RGUIDE

• The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
• Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
• If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
• Redirects nominated in contravention of Misplaced Pages:Redirect will be speedily kept.
• RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
• Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
• In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

This page is transcluded from Misplaced Pages:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history)

• WP:RFD#HARMFUL
• WP:RFD?

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

• a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
• if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Misplaced Pages pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

• WP:RFD#DELETE

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Misplaced Pages.
2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Misplaced Pages namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Misplaced Pages:, Help:, or Portal:.)
7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
10. Shortcut
    • WP:RETURNTORED
    If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

• WP:RFD#KEEP

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Misplaced Pages:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Misplaced Pages:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Misplaced Pages in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

• WP:RNEUTRAL

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Misplaced Pages in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Misplaced Pages article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

• WP:RFDHOWTO

• Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

Older unfinished requests are at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for deletion/Old.

October 20

• Casca Longinus → Longinus (Christian mythology) -- I'm not entirely sure, but I think this character is based on Longinus, but is not necessarily him as such. In any case, there is room for an article on the "Casca" series of books (there are some 20 or more volumes; though probably one article can cover them all), and this redirect is probably making such article less likely. -R. fiend 00:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Was never tagged {{rfd}}. I've just done so. Should stay here for another week. —Cryptic (talk) 15:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

October 23

• AndorrA/Economy → Economy of Andorra, et al. Searching for economy returns pages of irony full of these redirecting subpages. Delete. ‣ᓛᖁ♀ᑐ 13:27, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • These are old sub-page redirects - see Keep #7. Noel (talk) 04:28, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
    • It seems to me that Delete #1 should take precedence here. The convenience gained by having these is surely minimal compared to the inconvenience of having all these redirects placed first in the search results. ‣ᓛᖁ♀ᑐ 10:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

• Korean churches in China → Christianity in Korea - marked for deletion since sept 2 but could not find any evidence it was listed here. At first it was a stub created by anon, then it was converted into redirect and then redirect nominated for deletion. I DO NOT vote. Renata3 22:18, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

• China for Christ Church → Chinese house church - same story as above. Tagged from Sept 6, not listed here. Someone created redirect from a stub and then someone nominated it for deletion. Either delete or restore original stub. I DO NOT vote. Renata3 23:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

October 24

• EURO → European Football Championship -- Not an official acronym; causes confusion with Euro the currency (only difference being capitalization)
  • Change target - Agreed, the current redirect doesn't make sense; the acronym "EURO" doesn't even appear in the target article! Rather than deleting the redirect, how about modifying it so it points to the article about the currency? Engineer Bob 05:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

• Quoting → String literal - Original article at Quoting was an article about string literals, so I changed it to a redirect, but it turns out that there are no links to the article within a computer science context, but there is one from Gang violence. Thus, I think Quoting should remain a redlink to encourage someone to write an article about the process. I'd write it myself, but I have no idea what it is. --howcheng 21:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

October 26

• Cyr → Cyrillic alphabet — This redirect creates confusion in that there is a "Cyr" listed on List of people by name: Cy that links to the alphabet article via this redirect and there is no discernable article for the person. Also, I've looked briefly to see if "Cyr" or a variant is a ISO-type code for the alphabet but have not found that information. Therefore, I would suggest deletion to avoid confusion unless there is evidence supporting the term being a valid abbreviation. Courtland 01:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

October 28

• European council → Council of Europe -- Delete because: (a) The Council of Europe is never called the European Council; (b) There is another organization called the European Council; (c) There is an article about the organization mentioned in (b) with the article title European Council; (d) Having a redirect with a small c and an article title exactly the same except with a large c is crazy and potentially a major cause for confusion. Kennethmac2000 19:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
  • In other words European council should not be deleted, it should be re-redirected to European Council. Which is what I've just done. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 20:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• Shit where they live → Ecocide -- Offensive and barely related Jomateix 21:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I concur. Not a useful redirect; delete. - Mike Rosoft 10:42, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Surely a speedy delete.--Westminsterboy 11:11, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Monkbel 15:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

November 3

• I nominate the following:

• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Picture → Portal:Doctor Who/Picture
• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Projects → Portal:Doctor Who/Projects
• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Opentask → Portal:Doctor Who/Opentask
• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Did you know → Portal:Doctor Who/Did you know
• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Categories → Portal:Doctor Who/Categories
• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Featured → Portal:Doctor Who/Featured
• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Story → Portal:Doctor Who/Story

They are all the result of me moving templates to subpages of the portal page they where used as part of. They where only used on that one page, and there is no danger of accidental links. Pluss they are cross namespace, wich should be kept to a minimum.

• Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Serial → Portal:Doctor Who/Story — This is an "old" redirect, it used to point to Template:Wikiportal:Doctor Who/Story, I fixed the double redirect so now it points to Portal:Doctor Who/Story. Other than that same reason as the others, not likely to get linked, and cross namespace.

--Sherool 10:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete all as per nomination -- Gurch 13:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

• San Francisco de los Romo → San Francisco de los Romo—The first link has two U+00A0 characters after the final "o" (see the "Stoichiometry" item in yesterday's list). --Russ Blau (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as name is nonstandard and confusing (i.e. same reason as Stoichiometry) -- Gurch 13:50, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

November 4

• Apotogan Peninsula → Aspotogan Peninsula -- Delete because... I created it from a link on another related article without realizing it was a spelling mistake until it was too late... Plasma east 00:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - not likely to be a common spelling mistake, so no need for it -- Gurch 13:52, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

• • Keep I can see this being useful. If the nominator made the spelling error, it's plasible that someone else might as well.--Blu Aardvark | 22:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Return Channel Satellite → Back -- Delete because there is no apparent connection between the two, created by anon IP. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 06:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

• John Romero's head → Doom enemies -- Delete because... I just changed the redirection to Doom enemies, then realised that the redirect is pointless. No-one is going to type this in. They are much more likley to type in Icon of Sin.--DooMDrat 17:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
• "Fiona Graham" → Fiona Graham -- Useless redirect, page move leftover. cesarb 03:37, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - non-standard page title -- Gurch 13:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

November 5

• WP:TI -- Delete historical. -- Zondor 14:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
• "Ella Young" → Ella Young -- Speedy delete - article author accidentally included quotes, article has been moved to Ella Young. --Locke Cole 15:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

• Electric bicycle → Motorized bicycle - CyclePat wants the redirected deleted so he can recreate a separate article for electric bicycle. He originally listed on AfD. Moving it here since this is where it belongs.

delete: Like he said "delete the link/redirect and have a seperate article eliminating the confusion withing motorized bicycle. (see other reasons at talk:motorized bicycle)--CyclePat 07:37, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

THIS ARTICLE should not be deleted as discused in the talk:motorized bicycle. It is essentially a sub-class of "motor assisted bicycle" and has had it's chance of being incorperated with that article, however... that article is purelly narrow minded propaganda for electric bicycles, hence it is my belief so we can lighten up the article on "motorized bicycle" that we resume the creation of electric bicycle --CyclePat 05:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I think CyclePat has nominated this for deletion without really understanding how deletion policies work. cyclePat, this is for nominating an article to be deleted. Sometimes people nominate articles to be deleted when they don't really want them to as a breaching experiment, but I don't think that's what you intended. For anyone else -- CyclePat, a bicycle shop owner in Canada politically active enough to be involved in some petitions and court cases related to the issue, started working on an article on electric bicycles. I and several other editors began helping him. We decided that the article should be moved to Motorized bicycle so that it could incorporate text from several articles about bikes of this sort; they were fractured over electric bicycle, power-assisted bicycle, power-assisted cycle, etc. Not liking changes to the new motorized bicycle, CyclePat has begun reverting the redirect on electric bicycle and re-creating his old article, which was mostly about Canadian jurisdictional laws and was rather POV in spots. Electric bicycle should stay redirected to motorized bicycle. · Katefan0 06:08, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

actually, yes and no. I was recreating a brand new article on "electric bicycles." (And it might have contained a broader definition and perhaps more details than motorized bicycle. (this page was cluttered with much propoganda about electric bicycles... and still might have some sections that need clarification. (take a look at this past page to see what I was trying to do. This would be a page that motorized bicycle could link to. We could clarify the ambiguities that exist between the various different types of bicycles. (At least something needs to be done to help clarify this) (I also feel we are going to have the same problem with "power-assisted bicycle" and "power-assisted cycle." Actually, during our edit war, we had even decided that moped deserved it's own place. Why the double standard? --CyclePat 09:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep redirect. Besides what Katefan said, we have a Request for comment up on this already. Besides, this should be under redirect for deletion, since he's asking that a redirect be removed. --Woohookitty 06:13, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as redirect or article, clearly a valid topic, I don't really care which way this ends up in terms of factoring. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, don't understand the nomination. Gazpacho 06:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong keep. I can't see any need for this to be deleted, there are obvious parallels between the vélomoteur and the current electric bike, and splitting them would likely cause significant duplication. Note that CyclePat has a vested interest. - Just zis Guy, you know? / :: AfD? 14:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Another comment: When the article changed from electric bicycle to motorized bicylce we did not take into consideration the corresponding french article. . A small discussion has started on this @ French:Motorized bicycle link... --CyclePat 08:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. I think there may be the possibility to separate out an article under this heading in the future, but it's a long way off at the moment. User:Noisy | Talk 18:51, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. (assuming this is a vote to delete the redirect of electric bicycle to motorized bicycle and thus to keep electric bicycle as a separate article). When I think of a motorized bicycle, I think of a bicycle with a motor that burns some kind of fuel. Yes, technically, an electric motor is a motor, of course, but there is a reason we call electric cars electric cars and gas cars just cars. An electric bicycle is a unique type of motorized bicycle that should be covered in a separate article. However, any issues that are common to all motorized bicycles should be in the motorized bicycle article and appropriately referenced from the electric bicycle article. --Serge 17:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Proposal: I propose that this is closed as keep. The listing has been open for about three weeks and everybody seems to think we should keep either the redirect or a separate article - in neither case is deletion required. - Just zis  Guy, you know? / (W) AfD? 18:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

November 6

• Kiwiana.co.nz to Culture of New Zealand. Original article had no content about the nn website. I merged and redirected, but I think the redirect is pointless. Ashibaka (tock) 23:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

• Dvdpedia → DVDpedia.
• Cdpedia → CDpedia.
  • New additions that were capitalization errors when the articles were created. DVDpedia contains all the original information from Dvdpedia and the same for Cdpedia and CDpedia Bruji 11:18, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Users who type in the Misplaced Pages search box without any capitalization will be directed to the proper article; i.e. these are "common" misspellings. Engineer Bob 07:39, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

November 7

• Militia Act 1707 → Scottish Militia Bill 1708

The latter was created at the former name and moved, creating the redirect. At the talk page it was decided the latter was the more correct title, and it appears "Militia Act 1707" is unrelated as it would not be given that title as a bill not given Royal Assent. --KURANDO 13:26, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

November 8

• WikiProject Massachusetts → Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Massachusetts -- This is a cross-namespace redirect. It used to be included in {{Massachusetts}}, but that template now links directly to the Misplaced Pages: namespace page. NatusRoma 06:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Yes its cross namespace, but this is (imho) a useful redirect. Thryduulf 13:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. With the template updated, how likely is it for anyone to need the redirect? If this redirect is useful then every other project should have one. If the redirect is deleted, then something will need to be done to update all of the pages using the template so that they point to the correct article and not the redirect. Vegaswikian 19:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Sahaja yoga → Yoga -- Delete because Sahaja Yoga doesn't refer to Yoga in general Shane 07:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • It should link to Sahaja_Yoga Shane 07:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Link has been corrected as recommended by Shane. Engineer Bob 07:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

• McLeod Ganj → Dharamsala -- Delete because Mc Cleod Ganj, while part of Dharamsala is it's own seperate town Shane 09:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • It should have it's own stub Shane 09:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Opinion #2 Shane 09:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

• Margaret Macdonald - Prophecy → Margaret Macdonald (Prophecy) - artifact of page move by RickReinckens, who tried to afd it. —Cryptic (talk) 12:12, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

• The two below are rendered useless. The Eau Gallie Schools contains a history about 2 schools in Eau Gallie, Florida. Decided it would make more sense to expand it to cover all of Brevard County, Florida schools, since there is nothing uniquely significant about these schools except their naming. Apparently I typed "Board" instead of the more useful, and correct "District". The "Board" governs the "District", and the schools are in the "district". All links to these have already been cleaned up, in fact Brevard County School Board is orphaned, as Eau Gallie Schools points directly to Brevard County School District#Eau Gallie. Maybe I shouldn't have orphaned it...
  • Eau Gallie Schools → Brevard County School Board
  • Brevard County School Board → Brevard County School District

--Mcmillen76 04:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

• Hamid_Mir_-_Who_Revealed_the_Great_Escape_of_OBL_from_Tora_Bora → Hamid Mir -- The title of the redirect is absurd considering the article is a biographical entry for the journalist Hamid Mir. His account of Osama bin Laden's flight from Tora Bora is not his only work or even what he is more popularly known for. Hulleye 10:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Opinion #1 Hulleye 10:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Opinion #2 Hulleye 10:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

November 9

• Vishwa_Nirmala_Dharma → Sahaja Yoga International -- Delete because Vishwa Nirmala Dharma is the registered name of the international organisation Shane 06:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
  • There should be two distinct articles Shane
  • Or, alternatively, Sahaja Yoga International should redirect to Vishwa_Nirmala_Dharma, and not vice-versa Shane

• Ammonites (Mormonism) → Ammonites (Book of Mormon) -- I mistakenly created this article before creating the target, which has consistent nomenclature. --andersonpd 21:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

November 10

• Misplaced Pages:Gao Qi (Chinese rock musician) → Gao Qi (musician) -- Wrong namespace, orphan. -Nameneko 04:36, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
• Nsjv → NSJV -- Nsjv should have been created as NSJV in the first place. NSJV is an abbreviation redirect. jfallesen 21:46, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

November 11

• Guy Hovis → John Ashcroft -- Delete because there doesn't seem to be any reason for this redirect. (The John Ashcroft page links to Hovis, which results in a redirect back to the page you came from.) Tskoge 09:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, the redirect would just cause needless confusion, since the link between the two isn't very obvious or notable. - Bobet 21:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

• Military History → Military History -- Delete because the redirect has the same name as the page it is redirecting to and it is the redirect that the search engine will link to (essentially, this is a useless redirect). As a matter of fact, the link to the Military History article on this page will even link to the redirect instead (confusing but true). 70.243.127.86 20:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nomination. - Bobet 21:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Nomination is not properly stated. The actual redirect is Military History → Military history, and it was created when the article was moved in April 2002. Misplaced Pages policy is to retain these. Engineer Bob 17:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

November 12

• List of Sudoku jargon → List of Sudoku terms and jargon -- Delete because after creating the article, I decided the title did not meet higher standards. Adding the word 'term' works better. There are no links to the list yet. I will be linking to the list shortly from Mathematics of Sudoku and likely from Sudoku eventually. -- LarryLACa 21:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, to prevent accidental recreation if nothing else. Kappa 06:14, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Royal Instituie of British Architects → Royal Institute of British Architects -- A misspelling. GregorB 22:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

November 13

• Cheapskating → Cheapskate. "Cheapskating" is not a word. This term has gone through AfD twice, both times with consensus to delete, there is no consensus to make it a redirect. It has also been speedied once as a recreation, and recreated again without discussion. User:Zoe| 22:46, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
  • D per Nom as I'm too frugal to use any more letters. - brenneman 01:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Cheapskate should probably be merged with miser, anyway. Dforest 03:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
• Gay/Straight Alliance → Gay-Straight Alliance
• Gay Straight Alliance → Gay-Straight Alliance
• Gay straight alliance → Gay-Straight Alliance
• These three create double redirects, through Gay-Straight Alliance to Gay-straight alliance, and no pages link to any of them. Their titles do not conform to Misplaced Pages title standards, and the term "gay-straight alliance" includes no capitals and is hyphenated, not slashed or spaced.Dave 23:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

• "Gay straight alliance" and "Gay/Straight Alliance" should just be 'fixed' to link direct as valid alternate puncuations. Having "Gay Straight Alliance" would then be useless and functionally redundant with "Gay straight alliance" and could be deleted. 24.17.48.241 05:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Brespiration/b → Respiration -- delete because this makes no sense. Who is going to type "Brespiration/b"? If this is some special Wiki-code, please let me know... wknight94 01:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

November 15

November 16

• Doctor's Cove Beach Club I mistakenly started a new page using the word Cove rather than the correct Cave, so I moved it to Doctor's Cave Beach Club and the resulting redirect needs deleting. Op. Deo 23:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
• Michi > Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings - Apparently, Michi was some user-created addon map for AOK; since the map itself is clearly not notable enough to warrant its own article, somebody decided to redirect instead of delete the article. Michi is not even mentioned in the AOK article, and neither should it be (there are literally hundreds of addon maps for AOK). Not speedyable, but not a terribly useful redirect by any measure -- Ferkelparade π 10:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

November 17

• John "Hot Rod" Williams → John Williams (basketball). see this. --necronudist 11:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

• That seems to be an alternate name, created by a move from that title, so I don't see any reason to delete. 24.17.48.241 05:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Jason Chandler Williams → Jason Williams (basketball). see above. --necronudist 11:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

• That seems to be an alternate name, created by a move from that title, so I don't see any reason to delete. 24.17.48.241 05:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Randy Smith (basketball) → Randy Smith (basketballer). see Talk:Randy Smith (basketball) and above. --necronudist 11:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• Gary Payton → Gary Payton (basketball). see Talk:Gary E. Payton and above. --necronudist 11:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

What's wrong with the above 5 redirects that warrants deletion? I've read the talk pages and they don't shed any light on the nominations. —Cleared as filed. 04:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The NBA Wikiproject is going to reorganize all the stuff and we've decided that those redirects are usefull (will ever someone search for "Jason Chandler Williams" or "John "Hot Rod" Williams"? Maybe "Jason Williams" and "Hot Rod Williams"...). The Gary Payton redirect is completely unusefull, we've decided to move the article Gary Payton (basketball) to Gary Payton so the redirect must be deleted, same for Randy Smith. see also this. --necronudist 12:44, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

The impression I get about Redirect deletion policy is that we don't delete them just because we think no one will use them, we only delete them if there's something actually bad or confusing about them. Obviously someone thought to search for those terms once, because they created the redirect. As far as the redirects that need to be deleted to make way for page moves, I think those requests belong in Misplaced Pages:Requested moves and will be acted upon faster there. —Cleared as filed. 13:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, so delete Gary Payton and Randy Smith (basketball) so we can move those pages. --necronudist 20:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like those two just need to be moved to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves... 24.17.48.241 05:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• "crossing based interfaces" → Crossing Based Interfaces. Noone is going to search for "crossing based interfaces". Thelb 21:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
• LUElinks → GameFAQs LUElinks is a separate entity and website, not affiliated with GameFAQs in any way. Talk:LUElinks contains a sample article proposed for the page. NSA 02:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
• Hippolatry → horse worship; per the talk page, this word doesn't exist outside of one proposal for a new word, though it may soon be propagated to the mirrors. As a neologism, this would not be a useful search term either. Chris talk back 20:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

November 18

• HSOWA → GameFAQs -- As far as I can tell there is no mention of HSOWA in the GameFAQs articles, so there isn't a reason for the redirect. Falls End (T, C) 21:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
• Brad Kane → Bradley Cain -- This redirect surprisingly informs us that a professional wrestler provided the singing voice for Aladdin. --KJBracey 21:18, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Never mind, I've taken the extra effort to change Brad Kane into a proper stub instead. --KJBracey 23:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

November 19

• The Office (UK → The Office (UK) -- Nothing links to this redirect and nothing ever will, due to the typo involved. Hu 03:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. BDAbramson T 04:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Claudia ellquist → Claudia Ellquist -- Nothing links to this redirect and nothing ever will, due to the capitalization involved. Hu 03:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, per the footer of this page - someone may search for it this way, and that's reason quite enough. BDAbramson T 04:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• What is chromatography? → chromatography -- unnecessary --Halal 11:47, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Marine Memorial Laboe → Laboe Naval Memorial - see this orphaned afd nomination for reasoning. No opinion. —Cryptic (talk) 16:41, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. I understand the nominator's reasoning, but on the same time, I thought it as a possible search string. --Nlu 18:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

• Ass (disgambiguation) → Ass
• Grass (disgambiguation) → Grass
• Delete because they were recently created by a vandal or an extraordinarily reckless editor. Disgambiguation is too rare spelling for a redirect. -Hapsiainen 19:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

• Egg (zoology) → Testicle. It was recently created by the same editor, who created the redirects above. Egg (zoology) can't be a disambiguating redirect. I have no idea whether a zoological egg is an ovum, zygote or an egg for food. If editors are aware that a word needs disambiguating, they just don't add an ambiguous extra part, instead they go and look at the disambiguation page. -Hapsiainen 19:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
  • In Spanish and German "eggs" is slang for the testicles. Someone is either crude or attempts to be funny. Delete. Pilatus 20:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

• RCAF Statio Mont-Joli → Mont-Joli Airport -- Delete because of typo, new redirect exists with proper name. Plasma east 00:30, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Liu Kang (Mortal Kombat character) → Liu Kang (Mortal Kombat) → Liu Kang -- It's a double redirect, and unnecessary. I've gone through and manually corrected every page that linked to this double redirect (I suppose I could have just changed the redirect though, heh). I just don't see someone typing this in, and to keep people from using this, it should probably be removed. --Locke Cole 03:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

November 21

• Uranium-lead dating → Radiometric dating -- All of the types of radiometric dating have their own articles or are red links, except this one (see "types of radiometric dating" in the radiometric dating article). The redirect should be deleted so that people will know that we don't have an article about it yet. -- Kjkolb 10:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Dan Green comic → Dan Green (artist) — New article created with a name inconsistent with Misplaced Pages naming conventions. Moved new article to Dan Green (artist). Only two edits to the page are the initial page creation and my subsequent move of the page. → Ξxtreme Unction {ł_blah} 14:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Opus (Band) → Opus (band) -- I moved the original page to conform with WP naming convetions. No pages link to the redirect. Frodet 20:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Hutchinson, book publisher → Hutchinson (publisher) -- Same as above: I moved the page to conform with WP naming conventions. No links. Frodet 20:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Genetically identical → Clone -- Fistly, the redirect is to a disambigious page. Secondly, "Genetically identical" != "Clone" (e.g. identical twins). No links. Frodet 20:05, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

• Thomas mcguane → Thomas McGuane because I do not think it is usefoull to make a redirect page for every "missprinting" of a name - at least not when the only difference are capitalised or not letters. Oyvind 20:12, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
• DAVID BOMBERG → David Bomberg. Only diff in names are Capitalized letters. Oyvind 08:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

November 23

• List of Catholic scientists → List of avowed Christians in science -- Hardly the same thing, wich makes the redirect misleading rather than usefull. Sherool (talk) 12:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain until its decided whether List of avowed Christians in science is a G4 re-creation of the original List of Catholic scientists. Marskell 12:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete upon consideration. List of avowed... may well go no consensus and if it is kept, Sherool is right that this would actually be misleading. Marskell 07:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. List of avowed Christians in science has been moved to List of Christian thinkers in science. I've corrected the redirect accordingly (because double redirects are a bad thing), and believe it makes much better sense now. --Blu Aardvark | 19:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Cumberland Gap (A74 road) → A74 road. The A74 road article can safely accomodate the "Cumberland Gap" section and the redirect is unlikely ever to be used, now that all cases have been removed and a disambiguation notice placed atop Cumberland Gap. Erath 18:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

• Rebel Destroyer → Escape Velocity (computer game). Rebel destroyer is a ship in the game EV override. it's not mentioned in the article on EV at all. If the ship is notable in any way, it should have it's own article- but not a redirect (which can get confusing). Falls End (T, C) 19:22, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

November 24

• Super Mario Bros. USA → Super Mario Bros. 2. Somebody should delete this article namespace to allow it to be page move space for Super Mario Bros. 2 can be renamed to this to allow creation of a disambiguation page with games titled Super Mario Bros. 2.

November 25

• Apple Computer/ → Apple Computer -- It's an implausible typo. Cmdrjameson 02:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
• Enterprise management → Learning organization -- Hardly the the same thing. Enterprise management might be the same thing as Network management or it could be managerial stuff to do with an enterprise, but what I see on the destination article doesn't look to me like "enterprise management" LesleyW 10:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

November 26

• Posner → Richard Posner - There are other famous people named Posner, such as author Gerald Posner. Let the search function find all the Posners instead of redirecting to one. Gamaliel 06:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete: Redirects should not imply that any one person is more important than another with a similar name. --LesleyW 04:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, or convert Posner to a disambiguation page. Engineer Bob 07:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

November 27

• WP is not → Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not - Unnecessary cross-namespace redirect. Firebug 02:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• M. Webb → Millie I. Webb -- The only incoming link that M. Webb has (from Gwilym Lloyd George, 1st Viscount Tenby) actually means Maurice Webb (politician). As disambiguation pages for all F. Lastname pages would be too much, this should be deleted instead. Kusma (talk) 07:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Poddy → IPod -- Word does not actually exist, this website invented it iself -- SoothingR 10:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Kingston upon Hull; City of UA → Kingston upon Hull -- Nothing links to this page, City of UA an unknown reference Kinhull 20:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.3 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.4 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.5 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.6 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.7 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.8 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
• Mac OS 10.4.9 → Mac OS X v10.4 Unnecessary. Should be "Mac OS X v10.4.x" anyway. AlistairMcMillan 20:59, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

November 28

• Template:Badcatnobiscuit → Template:Badcat Entirely unnecessary; apparently resulted from a joke move that was immediately reverted. —Pathoschild 00:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• As of april 2003 → April 2003 -- (an "as of" redirect) improperly capitalized, uses deprecated format with months (BTW, no incoming links. :P) Wikiacc (talk) 01:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Spinor/to do → Talk:Spinor/to do -- Delete because…created by moving to-do list to appropriate place on talk-page —Phil | Talk 11:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Batlefield 2: Special Forces → Battlefield 2 Special Forces - moved from an orphaned afd. Neutral myself; batlefield gets a lot of googles, even if batlefield "special forces" doesn't. —Cryptic (talk) 14:31, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Catagory:British Commonwealth Numismatics → British Commonwealth Numismatics → Misplaced Pages:WikiProject British Commonwealth Numismatics - crossnamespace redirects. —Cryptic (talk) 15:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Electromagnetic tensor/to do → Talk:Electromagnetic tensor/to do -- Delete because…created by moving to-do list to appropriate place on talk-page —Phil | Talk 16:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Energy-momentum tensor (general relativity)/to do → Talk:Energy-momentum tensor (general relativity)/to do -- Delete because…created by moving to-do list to appropriate place on talk-page —Phil | Talk 16:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• St Joseph's Foreign Missionary College, Foreign Mission Society of Saint Joseph → Herbert Cardinal Vaughan - inappropriate redirects to biography of founder. educational institution deserves own article. --Jiang 05:15, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Delete - since these redirects are only used in contexts related to Herbert Cardinal Vaughan and linking there already, having them appear as redlinks would actually be more useful. --Kusma (talk) 05:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Nth degrees of separation → Misplaced Pages:N degrees of separation → Misplaced Pages:Six degrees of Misplaced Pages - crossnamespace double redirect. (Leave the middle link, though.) —Cryptic (talk) 05:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• GYC → 2004 American League Championship Series -- Delete because this redirect has no reason to redirect here. No mention of how or why, and I can't figure out how it is useful. -- malo /_(contribs) 09:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

November 29

• Mathematics of general relativity/to do → Talk:Mathematics of general relativity/to do -- Delete because…created by moving to-do list to appropriate place on talk-page —Phil | Talk 12:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Previously thought to be named Super Knight Rider 3000, now known as Knight Rider: The Movie → Knight Rider: The Movie -- Redirect created by moving ridiculous title to a more reasonable one. I can't imagine ANYONE ever typing this into a search box. --Blu Aardvark | 16:55, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• lyotrophic → lyotropic -- Delete because it's a misspelling. I've removed the only link to it (from liquid crystal). Dusik 21:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Erm, common misspellings are a good reason to have a redirect. older≠wiser 22:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
  • I'd say keep as well. Easy mistake to make. --LV 22:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

November 30

• Sniffa → User:Sniffa -- This is a redirect created by moving a user page from article namespace to user namespace. A.M. 01:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Arman Naraghi-Pour → handicapped -- Totally nonsensical. Dentarthurdent (T,C) 02:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Riemann tensor (general relativity)/to do → Talk:Riemann tensor (general relativity)/to do -- Delete because…created by moving to-do list to appropriate place on talk-page —Phil | Talk 08:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Variational methods in general relativity/to do → Talk:Variational methods in general relativity/to do -- Delete because…created by moving to-do list to appropriate place on talk-page —Phil | Talk 08:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Angel (series)/Plot summary → Angel (television series) plot summary -- Nothing links here except Misplaced Pages:Subpages to be moved, and it was moved long ago. Is that page even still active and valid? --LV 20:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• "go garver" → List of blogging terms -- Page created by anon user, although go garver already redirected to List of blogging terms. I created the redirect, as I figured it was the best use of the page, but feel it should probably be removed. --Blu Aardvark | 22:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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