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DYK for Hi-Level

On 19 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hi-Level, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Amtrak's Pacific Parlour Car lounges on the Coast Starlight are refurbished Budd Company Hi-Level lounges originally built for the El Capitan in 1956? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hi-Level. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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GO Transit image

Hi there. Just wanted to thank you for your image of an early GO Train on the GO Transit article. It's a fantastic addition! --Natural R_X 21:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

• You're most welcome; for my part I was delighted to find it. Mackensen (talk) 21:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
• Do you know that it is a duplicate of an earlier upload of mine? You must have noticed that I tagged it appropriately, since you have added more categories to my version. Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:27, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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On 7 August 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Steeler (train), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 1950 Pittsburgh Steelers head coach John Michelosen christened the Morning Steeler, then the Pennsylvania Railroad's newest passenger train? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Steeler (train). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Alex Shih 15:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Kalamazoo, Michigan

I just thought you Throw out the baby with the bath water. But its fixed now. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:41, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

• Understood, it just seemed a mess and a straight undo was easier. I still don't think it's especially necessary to identify the Kal-Haven as a rail trail in the summary. Mackensen (talk) 02:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm on board with you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for North Woods Hiawatha

On 16 August 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article North Woods Hiawatha, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Milwaukee Road's North Woods Hiawatha was the first passenger train outside the Chicago–Twin Cities service to carry the Hiawatha brand? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/North Woods Hiawatha. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Map in Amtrak Cascades article

Hi, I see you removed PNG route map after I added KML map. I would like to promote KML maps and I try to include it to all articles with Amtrak routes but for several reasons I think that plain image also has to be included:

• KML does not include stations
• It is not possible to display route on top of base OSM layer
• KML map is not usable on mobile devices (take a look to mobile version of article - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/Amtrak_Cascades)
• Also users of older browsers will not have chance to see the map
• Last but no least - unfortunately almosts anyone from casual wikipedia readers is aware that clicking on small globe in beginning of article will display him usable map.

My actions to include KML are educational to promote this method, but currently it is not very often used by readers.

Can you reinclude image again? If you think that it is too big make thumbnail smaller. Thanks.

--Jkan997 (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

• I've thought about this and I'm not inclined to reverse myself. Here's why:
  • The KML does appear to include stations, at least when I view it on Google Maps. I see no qualitative difference between the KML and the PNG in that regard.
  • While the KML isn't usable on a mobile device, the PNG isn't all that great on mobile either. Further, the route listing with actual station links is prominent in the mobile view. I would think that's more useful to someone that an image or KML which, either way, is something of a dead end.
  • I'm not sure what your comment about older browsers refers to. The edge case of someone who cannot browse Google Maps must be an incredibly small one.
• In short, I think the addition of the KML is far more valuable of the PNG map and represents a real improvement. I hope you'll continue on them and I see them as a valuable addition, especially because they don't take up a lot of article space. Please let me know if I've misunderstood something. Best, Mackensen (talk) 23:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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Benjamin Disraeli

I imagine it hasn't escaped your notice that User:Wehwalt and I have been labouring in this particular vineyard recently. We have a joint ambition to get it up to Featured Article level. I am conscious that practically all the hard work on this article over the past decade has been yours, and this note is really just to ask you shout out loudly if you disagree with any of our additions and alterations. On the FA front, I have 20 to my name (jointly or severally) and Wehwalt has so many he may well have lost count. I hope you will regard our changes as improvements. Best wishes – Tim riley (talk) 11:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

• I appreciate your taking the time to drop by though you certainly didn't need to. I've watched the growth of the article with great interest and I'm delighted that the two of you are taking it to FA; something I never had the time or energy to do. Best, Mackensen (talk) 22:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Good. Very pleased indeed that you don't disapprove. Best wishes. Tim riley (talk) 12:49, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you, pioneer of Misplaced Pages with an "abiding love for the idea of open encyclopedia edited by everyone", for quality articles on trains, such as Pennsylvanian and Hi-Level, for offering high-level arbitration, for countering vandalism and uploading peaceful pictures, for overcoming the moment in which you "ask just why", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (22 September 2007, 6 January 2009)!

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"Come, walk with me", says the beautiful poem you received in 2007. It's one of these "moments" for me, did you know? (The other was in 2011.) Walk where? Go on strike? That would be exactly what some would love. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Continued...

Thanks for the thoughtful answers. I'll separate two portions, the general and the specific one.

On the general side of things, since I've stopped most of my activity, only glancing mostly at arb cases and the drama boards when time permitted, I've been increasingly bugged by arbcom proceedings. Indeed, mob rule and pressure of the loudest is among the issues. In many cases, inconsistent decisions are also irritating - to my mind, there should never be a FoF that isn't grounded in a stated principle, and there should not be any remedies not addressing a supporting FoF.

In many cases, I think the ideal outcome should be that even if sanctioned parties are obviously not going to agree with the result, they should at least walk away with having had a fair hearing. This is rarely achieved, and the fact that arbcom pages are among the places de-facto exempt of most of the civility and decorum pages doesn't help

Some among the recent crop of drafting arbs have taken a more active role during both the evidence and workshop stages, asking questions and workshopping portions of the PD. I don't think this goes far enough - a better procedure would be for the drafting arbs to actively conduct fact-finding, first limited to parties only, then opened to the broader public if they feel they are missing input. Then move directly to propose relevant principles and FoF, submit these to a vote, and only once these are passed, should remedies be drafted. Of course, our natural dislike would prevent this from happening, but I gather that aside the voting portion, this might actually both speed up proceedings while limiting the effect of the ever-increasing baggage of accumulated grudges that some groups of editors have carried for half a decade or more now. But one can always dream.

On the specific side, I'm not suggesting that Andy must be banned for being brought before the committee for a third time (although I can think of at least one case last year where the inconsistency between FoF and remedies appeared to ban a prolific bot editor just for that). The problem I see is that there is in fact a continued pattern that stretches all the way back to these old cases where nothing has really changed - that Andy is simply unable to accept any viewpoint opposite to his, to even consider and entertain that those who disagree with him might have a point sometimes, and to take heed of the feedback he is being given.

This is apparent in the MOS:INFOBOX discussions, for instance this Spring. The whole affair about Jim Hawkins (radio presenter) last year is another point in case - grasping at twitter to insist, over multiple years, that this BLP's date of birth be mentioned in the article, to the annoyance of the subject and to the point that the BLP would call for vandalizing wikipedia in retaliation. When the whole matter came to a head in 2012, he was blocked, and ANI was discussing a topic ban. He was then unblocked under the assumption that the topic ban would pass, and failing that, that he would voluntarily refrain from further editing that BLP (which he implied he would). ANI failed to gain consensus (From the way I recall it, too many opposed because the BLP's own sub-optimal behaviour, pretty much in the same manner many circled the wagons around Qworty's revenge editing of Amanda Filipacci's BLP earlier this year before he was outed). Here's what he wrote about this in this arbitration proceeding: "Likewise, I repast my invitation to them to review the Hawkins case, which polarised both editors and admins, but where it was again decided that there was to be no sanction against me". No consensus doesn't mean no sanction. Finally, on ANI in June this year, he filed a complaint (it's linked in the main case page in the big yellow box) about alleged stalking and dragged this on over 20 days. No matter how many uninvolved people offered feedback and comments, he rejected and dismissed out of hand any hint that wasn't 100% aligned with his wordview. Nothing registered. And this is really the heart of the matter. It's the "I didn't hear that" attitude and the endless grinding and revisiting of the same old grudges over and over that formed my opinion that the issues are, essentially, the very same that go back for a decade.

Because someone who knows how to take feedback even when disagreeing should really have learned that one of the simple things he could have done since 2007 to avoid causing further strife is to stay the heck away from classical music. Regardless of what goes on over there.

TL;DR of course, but both topics weren't anything that could be addressed more concisely without a firmer graps of the English language, I'm afraid. MLauba 00:42, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

References

Thanks for your message. Yes, the citation templates are useful, aren't they? I'm a little surprised they aren't used more widely on Misplaced Pages. Perhaps that's because they are so little used that few editors know much about them. I think they're particularly useful for encyclopedic sources that can be used as reference material for multiple articles, eg this reference book about cruise ships, so I think I might just "be bold" and start spreading them about a bit more. Bahnfrend (talk) 02:22, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

• I don't know that I'd ever seen one in ten years. Particularly with passenger trains I think there are about twenty books that I refer to constantly, so I'm going to start standardizing those too. Mackensen (talk) 02:24, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Expo '74 (train)

On 1 September 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Expo '74 (train), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Amtrak introduced an eponymous new train as part of the Expo '74 world's fair in Spokane, Washington? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Expo '74 (train). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Mackensen. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:09, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Disraeli again

Wehwalt and I have put the Benjamin Disraeli article up for peer review, here. If you have time and inclination, do please look in. Tim riley (talk) 15:16, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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Dizzy part three

Well, we've got the old boy promoted to Featured Article. Having the solid structure of the article that you built was a great help, and this is say Thank You for your benevolent support at PR. I am rather glad to see that you remain the editor who has made the most edits to the article. Tim riley (talk) 12:48, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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Tesoros book

I have the book in question and I can send you a photo of the info pages if you like. I agree the number associated is very odd and in fact the book calls it and ISBN, though its not. It was put together by the Salon and the government of Mexico City, with sponsorship by the Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las Artes and the Instituto Nacional de Bellas Artes.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• That would be perfect, thank you! Mackensen (talk) 14:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

TemplateData

Hi thanks for adding the TemplateData to a various book source templates like {{Reynolds-BO}}. Note that you need to do a null edit to the main template page to get the system to recognise the data. I've done the necessary null edits.--User:Salix alba (talk): 07:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks! Mackensen (talk) 14:11, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Beaver Tail (railcar)

On 9 October 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Beaver Tail (railcar), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Milwaukee Road's Beaver Tail parlor-observation cars (pictured) were so-named because of their distinctive flat, sloped rear area? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Beaver Tail (railcar). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Beaver Tail

Hi Mackensen,

I apologize for having caused you problems with this page move; I will attempt to be more careful with page moves in the future when they are relevant to the main page. I believe that the article should remain at Beaver Tail (American railcar) because there are no primary topics for parenthetically disambiguated article titles, and the British railcar is discussed on The Coronation (train). If you believe that the article should be moved back, you are welcome to initiate a move discussion. I would be grateful if you would let me know if you follow that route.

Neelix (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Page Deletion

Hello Mate, Thanks for deleting the page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Shivansh_ajmani I needed to know, can you completely delete it, I mean, could you please take my name off it (The username/page title)? It's the first search result that pops up on my name, and I really had been harassed due to it. If you could remove my name, or completely eradicate that page for wikipedia database, I'd be glad.

Thanks for deleting the content though, and thanks for understanding. I'd be glad if you could do that.

Spidersooper (talk) 17:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• Hi there. You can get a username changed at Misplaced Pages:Changing username. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Miguel Borja

Usually when I see a BLP page I've tagged on NPP has had that removed with no sources added, I just revert that and go on. As you are a highly-experienced editor, however, I am not going to attach Twinkle warning templates to the talk page of an editor that has a better handle on things than I do. I can see that I should have not put CSD on the page because there is a claim that he had played in a top-end national football league. That leaves an article that barely even qualifies as a stub. What would you suggest should I have done to bring more attention to this page? Thanks in advance for the help. --Eggishorn (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• @Eggishorn: well, that's exactly it. My understanding of the notability guidelines is that a top-tier footballer is presumptively notable, and that's why I reverted the speedy. I would expect the article to grow if that's the case: he'll be in matches and he'll attract more coverage. That being said it is the barest of stubs. It might be reasonable to subject the article to full debate at AfD; I've tagged the article with the football project banner so such a debate ought to pull in regulars have a better sense of whether he's truly notable or not. Best, Mackensen (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. Eggishorn (talk) 21:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Trout

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Hi. I put up Template:Latest preview software release/Microsoft Office 2007 for speedy deletion exactly because it is forcefully transcluded in the article. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 22:59, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• @Codename Lisa: duly noted, and a null edit cleared the transclusion after I deleted it. Odd template. Been a while since I got trouted ;). Mackensen (talk) 23:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Strange deletions

Let me explain, one of the users here mentioned to me that the easiest way to save a space on a server is by edit the article less. Therefore, I removed the previous edits and reinstate it with the up-to-date one. I will be very angry if its not O.K. to do, because it goes under ignore all the rules and G7.--Mishae (talk) 03:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

• I can't imagine who told you that, but it's absolutely false. All deletion revisions are saved in the database, but so is the act of deletion. So what you're doing does in fact take up even more space than before. What you're doing also leads to broken edit history, which is absolutely not okay because it removes the work done by others, as well as the history of the page. See Misplaced Pages:Copyrights. Please don't do that again because it makes a lot of work for everyone. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 03:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)