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Could you check the Top 25 talk page?

Six weirds this week. Serendious 18:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

???

What was that all about? By the way, I would appreciate you keeping the foul language off my talk page. Thanks. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

• Foul language? What was truly foul was your prod of Notre Dame College (New Hampshire), a completely laughable prod that really made me question your worth as an editor. I made a neutral comment on your talk page about the how it was a poor prod to make you consider whether you erred, and you simply deleted the comment. I self-reverted an aggravated comment I left after seeing your behaviour.--Milowent • 17:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm stopping the top 25 report

It's too much work for nothing except the occasional complaint. If you want to carry it on, I wish you all the best, but you seemed more eager to drop that snake than I did. Serendious 23:38, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

• Serendipodous, you deserve major kudos for all your work on this. I prepared reports for this week, but I'm honestly not sure I have your stamina! I really do think its an important project, but from week to week it is indeed a bit of drudgery to get it done. You've done the reports for the Signpost for over a year now (since June 2013), and took over sole responsibility for the WP:TOP25 since late February 2013. That's amazing. I'll try to do what I can and recruit additional help if possible. The only thing I'm looking forward to is smacking down any haters.--Milowent • 14:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if I was a bit terse; it's all down to WikiStress. I've been in some rather nasty battles recently, and I need to step back from editing. Anyway, thanks for pulling through; that was nice of you to do.Serendious 14:14, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

No apologies needed to me, I totally understand. I've had many battles on Misplaced Pages in the past, and sometimes they have quite annoyed me.--Milowent • 14:19, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Could you elaborate on your edit summary?

Please, when you have your composure. --Ronz (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• I have more composure than Beethoven!--Milowent • 19:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  :) --Ronz (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

AfD

Congratulations for your improvement of You Don't Know What You've Got. I just saw it was kept thanks to your contributions. I could have changed my vote should I had not seen the comments only 2 minutes ago; sorry. Regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 17:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Why should I has just told me to see here. Nothing further to add except a section link would be very useful in future - as you may have noticed, I am one lazy editor! --Launchballer 17:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

That's at least the second or third time I've seen you pull something out of the fire in the last week alone, Milowent, please accept my appreciation for your thoughtful and thorough participation at AfD. --j⚛e decker 19:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

That's because Milowent rocks!--Jezebel'sPonyo 19:46, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

@Why should I have a User Name?:@Launchballer:@Joe Decker:@Ponyo: - Aw shucks, thanks guys! My AfD participation has been sporadic in the past year as I've gotten more into writing articles (less chances for me to go on inclusionist tirades), so the appreciation is much appreciated.--Milowent • 19:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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I opened an SPI related to Cheong poong bridge‎. While I'm fine with your deprodding, there is something suspicious going on with that article and related articles. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:21, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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More than too close?

I appreciate the response. Could you elaborate so I can get some idea of where you think I should draw the line? --Ronz (talk) 17:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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I'll probably be back at some point around then anyway

so don't fret :) Serendious 06:58, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:TOP25 should be more neutral

I see that in your comments about Hamas, you said that "he bloodshed causing it" (the word it refering, of course, too Operation Protective Edge); sadly, the people who are complaining about the bloodshed are mostly the same people who truely caused it - by hiding missiles inside UNRWA schools and other civilian structures; by telling residents not to leave areas Israel warns it's going to attack, etc). I would hope that you would try to be more neutral in your explanations about these articles. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 16:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• The bloodshed of the conflict is contributing to the popularity of the article; I made no comment about what who is blame or what is causing the bloodshed so it is ridiculous to say I wasn't being neutral on that count. It doesn't matter whether Hamas is the reincarnation of Satan dropping infants onto missile dumps to ensure certain death; or whether Israel wants to turn Gaza into a megamall by bulldozing away everything and everyone there. I made no comments either way. The conflict and bloodshed of the conflict makes it a popular article. However, while the numbers are neurral on the Top25, the commentary is commentary and based on the observations of the chart creators.--Milowent • 03:02, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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• User:EsteFeilx is an obvious vandal, can someone check into him? Also User:Esteban G. Felix 2. And User:The Moreno Twins.--Milowent • 20:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Are you going to do the Signpost traffic report?

because I'm no all that keen on getting abused again. Serendious 12:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey Serendipodous, a proposal ... you could do it, but keep it off your watchlist, and I'll deal with any of the crap that comes up? I'm used to doing the latter, but I don't have the time during a normal week to do the former. :-) Ed  19:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• i am away from town and my internet is horrible - typing this from my phone. Seren has done the top 25 already, this can easily be truncated to make the top 10, even if author name is unattributed? --Milowent • 03:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Serendipodous. I'll keep an eye on it whenever I get hotspots in the coming week! Ed  19:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

So do you want me to do the top25 again or are you OK? Serendious 15:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Serendipodous - I'm back to computer land, I just saw now that Andrew did update the 5000 report. Unless you want to do it, I'll plan to get done w/in next 12 hours.--Milowent • 15:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I can very emphatically say that I do not want to do it. Serendious 15:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Serendipodous - lol. Looks like Robin Williams related articles will be 5 of the top 10. Any thoughts on Power Girl and Great Seal bug?--Milowent • 16:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

New black power girl; as for the redirect, can't find anything immediately. Will need to recheck. Serendious 17:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

It seems the readers like you more than me. So maybe you should keep doing this. I do seem to have an unerring talent to alienate people. Serendious 09:42, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• WHAT?!? That is clearly not true, Ed urged me to keep this up because the Signpost feature is popular. It only became so because you did it, and your insights are usually more complex than mine. Its rather unfair that you had to do it all yourself for so long, I would be much more likely to keep it up if you'd like to work out a team arrangement?--Milowent • 15:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Try the {{In use}} tag

It's a much easier way of telling people that you are updating the report. And it's more noticable. :D Pizza1016 (talk | contribs) 15:50, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

• Pizza1016: Thank you! One would think after five years I would remember simple things like this.--Milowent • 16:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Jakotina Revert

As far as I can tell, was an attempt to link this article about a river to an article about the same river under a different article name which doesn't exist. Why did you revert me?--Jac16888 10:36, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh sorry, I think I somehow made an unintentional edit on my mobile!--Milowent • 11:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no probs--Jac16888 11:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Traffic Report

Less hipster sexism in the Traffic Report would be good. Kaldari (talk) 01:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

• dont blame me for the pathetic losers worshipping boobs more than live women via comics. If you didn't understand my defense of women, oh well. Fuck hipsters,I'm too old for them.--Milowent • 02:39, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Milowent, I wish you would take some responsibility for your actions here. There's no need to be dismissive towards editors who bring legitimate concerns to your talk page. What you are characterizing as your "defense of women" was insultingly sexist and contributes to an already negative environment for women on Misplaced Pages. When you used a random picture of breasts to represent Power Girl, that was demeaning towards women. When you wrote that her "ability to fight villains with a large chest is apparently another one of her powers", that was also demeaning, in addition to being false. gobonobo 00:15, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Gobonobo, I am fully responsible for all my edits. I didn't contest the changes made w/in a few hours of the article going live. I'm not likely to tread into this same minefield again, so you can not worry about that. The picture was of cleavage, not exposed breasts; I thought little of it, it was one of ten thumbnails and didn't really strike me as provocative, Lord knows the commons is full of much much worse stuff requiring brain bleach to wash out of my head. Perhaps I am not aware that cleavage is apparently considered provocative in more of the world than I ever thought about. I've learned from this experience to that extent. I certainly know not to add photos of women with exposed heads on the Arabic wikipedia for example, though most of the world thinks that quite absurd. Power Girl is not a well known comic heroine, yet it makes it into the Top 10 most viewed articles of the week on Misplaced Pages, ahead of major news stories going on around the world? Its very clear to me why that is happening. It was not "false" to claim her "ability to fight villains with a large chest is apparently another one of her powers" -- it was obviously commentary not intended to be taken literally. But I can see and do understand my intent was not completely clear, and some thought I intended it to be sexist. And since words belong to their readers, its important that I realize that's how some took it. But I do think that article was in the Top 10 due to "pathetic losers worshiping (comic) boobs more than live women." Aside from that, in my opinion, the "negative environment for women" on Misplaced Pages comes primarily from the way editors are treated, by male editors with limited social skills. I saw that first hand last year when I was one of the editors very involved in opposing the Amanda Filipacchi category problems last year. Again and again editors were creating yet more "female author" categories, digging in despite the vast outcry against the sexism inherent in the treatment of female biographies it was causing.--Milowent • 00:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your response Milowent. You seem to be missing the point though. The problem isn't that cleavage is provocative, it is that you used an utterly unrelated image of cleavage to illustrate an article about a female superhero. I understand that it was perhaps a misguided attempt at irony, but as Kaldari pointed out, ironic sexism/hipster sexism is not wanted.

I wouldn't have brought this up with you if I hadn't noticed an ongoing difference in the way that women are treated in the Traffic Report. Whether it is the implication that traffic is driven by the fantasies of male internet users or referring to twerking as "girls waggling their bottoms", there are recurring themes of sexism and heteronormativity on the Traffic Report that you perpetuate. On August 6 two women made the top 10 list and you made comments in regards to both of them that they were "a likely fantasy of many male internet users, let's be honest." As much as I appreciate the cheeky irreverence of the Traffic Report commentary, too often I come away from the report feeling that women are disrespected and objectified there. I look forward to seeing Traffic Report commentary in the future that treats women with more respect. gobonobo 02:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Gobonobo, the image has EVERYTHING to do with power girl. Power Girl is EXPLOITATIVE, and objectifies women using cartoonish exaggerations. I'm sorry to hear you found women being disrespected in the traffic report, especially so since it has been authored by a female editor for almost all of its existence, aside from a few recent weeks by me. Yours is the first negative feedback on the "likely fantasy" comment I've heard (I got a few positive comments on that; that week was mine, ETA: hey, that barnstar above was from a female editor for that same report! Go figure! I'm not about to trot out "my black friend" every time, I just happened to check to see who posted that barnstar.); so I appreciate hearing feedback because I don't know about the negative comments otherwise. Negative comments (not about sexism as far as I am aware) helped deter the prior lead editor from wanting to do the report, but I don't really mind them, I know yours are intended in good faith. You can usually find the draft report posted via the signpost newsroom between Wed to Friday sometime, you're welcome to review it before publication.--Milowent • 02:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

For future reference Milo, I am male, though I find your confusion strangely flattering. Serendious 14:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• LOL, I am so sorry. I must have gotten very confused along the way, confusing you with another editor, I suppose.--Milowent • 15:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Top 25 report

Do you want to alternate? That way we can deflect the flak from each other. Anyhoo, regardless, I've locked down every article on the list (four Reddit threads this week!) except rock music; not sure how to even begin searching for that one. Serendious 09:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It MIGHT have to do with the controversy surrounding Lorde's winning "Best Rock Video" at the VGA's, despite not technically being rock music. Serendious 09:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

• Serendipodous, alternating would be great! Sounds like you a jump on this week already, so take it away. Wow, the Ice Bucket Challenge got quite high numbers! And the Mona Lisa isn't under copyright, so no cleavage-gate concerns should arise. The German article on rock music shows no jump , that one looks suspicious to me, it goes from 2000 a day and has remained high.--Milowent • 13:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's your turn. If you're not available, let me know. Serendious 17:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I'd appreciate a yes or no, just so I know whether to start on the list or not. Serendious 00:56, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yes! I can do it. Sorry, I responded to you by email, perhaps you didn't get it.--Milowent • 01:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Upcoming Signposts

• So if you two are switching off, you'll be doing the 9/17 Signpost, right? Rcsprinter will have a time-sensitive interview with WP:Scotland members that will need to be published on the 17th, as the independence referendum is on the 18th. Is that doable? Thanks! Ed  06:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

• Ed, yes that is my week and totally doable, thanks for the heads up.--Milowent • 12:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

On a related note, can either of you come over to 25 report talk page to double check some uncertainties? grok.se seems to be down now, so I'm a bit in the dark. Serendious 08:19, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry but Misplaced Pages emails for some reason aren't arriving at my new email address. Could we hash things out here or is it too private? Serendious 13:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• No problem -- I got a note from Tony at the Signpost letting me know they hope to publish early (on time?) this week, late on Wednesday, and was hoping the Traffic Report could be ready by then. I let him know we are switching weeks and this is yours, but that I'd make sure it was ok.--Milowent • 13:24, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

done! Serendious 13:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• lol, nice work!--Milowent • 13:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

• Serendipodous, make sure that you've confirmed your new email address in your preferences? Thank you both very much! Ed  17:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Please don't derail

Carol showed me the link to the Wales video, and if he and the WMF are even mildly serious then someone should hold their feet to the fire about following through. There has been far too much tension on that page, so please don't try and stir shit up. You made me look at my sig and tweak it a bit btw.Two kinds of pork_Bacon 05:28, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

• Listen, we both know you're being a fuckin turd over there. We're big boys, we know how this works. You've been here under this username for over a year and have never created even one article? Come on now. Get the fuck off their page if you're going to keep up this crap, you're clearly intelligent and could contribute more meaningfully to Misplaced Pages if you wished to do so. Comment on the GGTF when they contribute outside their group; if they ever promote proposals outside the group, it will require consensus to be adopted anyway.--Milowent • 05:33, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to see them make some plausible proposals. I'm sick of the accusations of mysogeny directed towards me as well. Frankly I'm sick of you. Maybe a nights sleep on it will change things. Good night.Two kinds of pork_Bacon 05:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

• Good night, fellow editor. The internet will always be wrong.--Milowent • 05:46, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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