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The fiscally responsible approach to editing

References in Misplaced Pages are like money. You have it, your edits go places; you don't, then they are not accepted. And of course you are not allowed to print your own money, i.e. make-up your own references, they have to be from third-party, reliable sources, i.e. real money from a real bank. Needless to say you are not allowed to spend other people's money. All currency may have to go through the scanner for validation. It is a simple system actually because Misplaced Pages is like a (data) bank. If the deposits (i.e. edits) you are making are good, your credit limit (i.e. your credibility as an editor) increases. But if you start making counterfeit deposits, (i.e. bogus edits), the accountants, (other editors), may want to have a word with you and, of course, your credit cards will be cancelled, (i.e. your credibility will be zero).

Room of the Archives (Please mind your step. The building is kinda old and slightly decrepit)

AUTOCHTHONOUS - ALBANIA ETHNIC - ILLYRIANS

Do not show me what else to write about my country Kosovo OK wikipedia Kosovo is filled with lies by Serbs byee from Peninsula Illyrians Ps. Sorry for bad english ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBloodyAlboz05 (talk • contribs) 08:27, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok. I won't. No problem with the English btw. Δρ.Κ.  09:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Hi mate. I believe you are the one which opened up this investigation(Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Lord of Rivendell). He is back again. I could use some help in here. elmasmelih 20:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Obvious duck. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  10:29, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

AfD of Northern Cyprus

Don't do that please. Thanks. Δρ.Κ.  17:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but keep on mind that I my edits are keep getting deleted, even though they are well sourced and real, and they are also reporting me and threatening me for those. The result is having propaganda articles against Cyprus, something that is totally unfair and unacceptable and me getting blocked for adding well sourced truths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 18:10, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

AfD of Northern Cyprus

Don't do that please. Thanks. Δρ.Κ.  17:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I understand Giorgos. But the answer is not to escalate things in response. Try to discuss with the opposing editors instead of clicking the revert/undo button. That way you will be more respected and far less likely to get blocked. If you continue edit-warring you will reach a stage where you will get blocked for a long time or even for an indefinite time. Try to slow down and discuss things. Otherwise, my opinion is that it doesn't look good for you at the moment. Δρ.Κ.  18:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I have tried to discuss with them, got threats for it, and all my edits were well sourced, logical and truthful with no lies on what so ever. Misplaced Pages articles on Cyprus do not look good at the moment, since they are lacking reality, truth and a more realistic way of presenting things plus that are full with turkish propaganda, like the 1571 one. Anyhow, I will see what I am going to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiorgosY (talk • contribs) 18:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Leave them together

DrK, tit-for-tat filings always belong together. Indeed, keeping them together actually improves your own argument the panda ₯’ 10:59, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Dangerous Panda, if you say so, I'm good with that. Thank you for the advice. Thank you also for fixing the ANI report heading. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  11:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Lulu.com vs Lulu (company)

Genuinely didn't mean to start an edit war on this issue, DrK. Sorry about that. And thanks for removing the warning. I'm just used to being bold and I didn't read the guidelines properly this time. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angry candy (talk • contribs)

No problem Angry candy. I'm glad it got sorted out. If you need any help with the move let me know. Δρ.Κ.  20:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Alexyflemming and Panagra, Girne

In case you're interested to weigh in, Alexyflemming has now taken to removing mention to the RoC from both the infobox and the body of articles of places in northern Cyprus. Discussion is here. 31.153.94.214 (talk) 20:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, is there some place I can ask for feedback from a wider audience, lest I be accused of canvassing? Thanks 31.153.94.214 (talk) 20:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Good news, he's now lambasting 'the Armenians', for whatever reason. 31.153.94.214 (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the message. I haven't had the time to check into this latest POV-push from that editor. You can start a request for comment, see WP:RFC. And yes, this editor also has problems recognising the Armenian Genocide. He rejects that it happened and mentions his rejection any chance he gets lately. Δρ.Κ.  21:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Would you also be able to revert the move of Hisarköy, Girne? 31.153.94.214 (talk) 00:29, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Not sure if I can do that yet. I haven't checked which version is the WP:COMMONNAME of the article. Δρ.Κ.  00:51, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

I've just noticed he's created a bunch of duplicates like and . Why, I cannot guess. 31.153.94.214 (talk) 00:37, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

This has got to stop. He is using unilaterally the Turkish names with no reference to the historical name and creates duplicate entries to pre-existing articles. This is not good at all. Δρ.Κ.  00:51, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, I've just had to redirect 9. Some like "İsmet Paşa" I've not been able to match with any existing articles; they're either post-war renames or entirely new settlements. 31.153.94.214 (talk) 01:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for providing me with the background which has given me a much better picture of what is being attempted. I have left another warning at the talkpage of this editor concerning the use of his template. He has to follow the correct process of approving the use of this controversial template or the template has to be scrapped. Thank you again. Δρ.Κ.  01:38, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I wish this were the end of it... 31.153.94.214 (talk) 10:11, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow, this article was a complete mess. I think I'm gonna take a break from cleaning up after Alexy now... 31.153.94.214 (talk) 14:33, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Ugh, worse yet, someone performed a cut-and-paste move from Akhna in 2012. >.< 31.153.94.214 (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know about the cut-and-paste move. I'll try to ask for a repair. I hope you stick around. Your expertise is needed in this area. Thank you also for your advice. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  17:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

H.O.T. / JtL birthdays

To see the birthdays

• click on http://hot.smtown.com
• click on Profile
• click on each member's name.

--Random86 (talk) 21:39, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Random86: I clicked on the first link, I clicked on "profile" but there are no clickable names after that. I took this to the talkpage of Drmies so he can give us his opinion on that. Δρ.Κ.  21:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: The names are clickable. They are underneath the menu at the top of the page. --Random86 (talk) 21:54, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

@Random86: Chrome needed a plugin, but IE works. I saw the clickable names there. I will fix that. Δρ.Κ.  22:07, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Wordpress?

Those birthday source in the Exo article are Wordpress fan sites. Are you sure it's not better to remove them and put citation needed?--Krystaleen 03:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@Krystaleen: As I said in my edit summary, either the birthdays go completely, or stay and are supported by that weak source at least until a better one is found. The wordpress reference also hosts what appears to be magazine pictures of some kind, so the source may be a magazine, even though it is hosted on a wordpress site. The option of citation needed for birthdays in K-pop articles is not a good one because it will spread to many more articles and that would be a disaster. For more details as to why so, please see a recent comment I made. Δρ.Κ.  03:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Out of line

Hi. I was out of line. I'm sorry. —Gaff 23:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Sock

It appears from the ip that this one is the blocked user:Skipetari. Thanks for dealing with him.Alexikoua (talk) 06:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

No problem Alexi. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  06:53, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

File:The Masque of the Red Death poster.jpg

Sorry, I didn't notice that. I've fixed it now. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 16:05, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

@MjolnirPants: Not at all. Thank you very much for your excellent technical work! Your version has greatly enhanced the aesthetic appeal of the article right at the time when it is ready to hit Main Page DYK. :) Take care and thank you again. Δρ.Κ.  16:14, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Alexy and US court case

I'm quite sorry to have made you my go-to Wikipedian, but Alexy is now edit-warring over the inclusion of this piece in a number of articles. Is there a way we can persuade him to stop? 31.153.94.183 (talk) 20:34, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Not at all. Editors of your expertise and neutrality are always welcome on my talkpage. I have given this SPA a 3RR warning on Northern Cyprus and I will keep an eye out for further developments. Please feel free to ping me at any time. Thank you and take care. Δρ.Κ.  20:45, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Masque of the Red Death (1989 film)

On 15 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Masque of the Red Death (1989 film), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the 1989 film Masque of the Red Death, produced by Roger Corman, is a remake of the 1964 picture of the same name which was directed by him? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Masque of the Red Death (1989 film). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

DYK for Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens

On 16 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the 1967 West German sex-education film Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens featured scenes of childbirth which were the first to be shown publicly in Germany? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Helga – Vom Werden des menschlichen Lebens. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Anti-Greek sentiment

You might wanna take a look at this article. I've just created it and it's far from complete. If you have time or care enough about it please do improve it. --Երևանցի 04:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: Hi Երևանցի. Thank you very much for the invitation. I'm not an expert on the subject but given your kind invitation I will check what I can do to improve the article. Take care and thanks again. Δρ.Κ.  05:03, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Moving an article

Hi Dr.K.,

I'm wondering if you could help me with moving Ayia Marina, Cyprus to Agia Marina (Skylloura), Nicosia. There's another Agia Marina in Nicosia; this one's spelt differently (a g in place of the y) simply so that they won't conflict, but that's confusing. The Agia Marina council and others qualify it with 'Skylloura'. I tried asking over at WP:RMT, but it's too long a reason for the move, and I don't think it'd be worth initiating a requested move over it. 31.153.94.183 (talk) 16:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. No problem, but if we use "Skylloura" for disambiguation I don't think we need "Nicosia". Also "Agia" is spelled "Aghia" normally. Please let me know what you think. Δρ.Κ.  16:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dr. Well, we generally seem to be using the spelling 'Agia' here on Misplaced Pages. Agreeing on a naming convention to use for Cypriot settlements would go a long way. For example, we've got Ayia Marina Khrysokhous (different translit. scheme and disambiguator outside parens), Agios Georgios Lefkas (disambiguator outside parens and inflected) and Agios Ioannis (Pyrgos) (disambiguator inside parens). The Cypriot government uses 'Agia Marina Chrysochous', 'Agia Marina Kelokedaron' and 'Agia Marina Xyliatou' for the other Agia Marinas in the country. 31.153.94.183 (talk) 17:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi IP editor.  Done. Is that ok now? Btw, I'll be out for a few hours so I will not be able to respond for some time. If you have any suggestions please let me know and I will implement any needed changes. Take care and thank you. Δρ.Κ.  18:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

That works for me! Thanks a bunch. 31.153.94.183 (talk) 18:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Don't mention it. It was a pleasure. Please don't hesitate to contact me regarding any matter at all in the future. Thank you also for your great contributions to Cypriot onomatology. All the best. Δρ.Κ.  01:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Aline (song)

On 21 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Aline (song), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the French singer Christophe got the inspiration for the title of his 1965 hit song "Aline" during a visit to the dentist? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Aline (song). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Çamlıköy mess

Hi again Dr,

In my continuing effort to bring some sense to articles of places in Cyprus, I've discovered that a user's created many duplicates (of unclear veracity) for Çamlıköy. Besides the original article (I assume) at Kalo Chorio (Çamlıköy), we've also got:

• Çamlıköy
• Çamlıköy Cyprus
• Çamlıköy Kıbrıs
• İstasyon (Çamlıköy) Cyprus

All of this for a village of barely 300 people. I wonder if you've got any suggestions on how to proceed. Thanks, 93.109.171.237 (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

What a mess. Thank you IP editor for alerting me to this. I have redirected all of them to the original article and left a note on the creator's page. Δρ.Κ.  20:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I've copied over some of the history from Çamlıköy, but I've still no idea how accurate any of it might be. 93.109.171.237 (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. As far as the historical background, it can be tagged for verification or removed altogether if citations cannot be found. Δρ.Κ.  20:50, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping clear things up on User:The Banner's talk page. 93.109.171.237 (talk) 16:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

It was the least I could do. I just reflected on your continuing expert and quality assistance in this very difficult area of the encyclopedia. Thank you for pinging me so I could help out in a small way. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  18:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi

If you find time for it please take a look at the article Långholmens spinnhus. That I created some time ago. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: Hi BabbaQ. Thank you for the invitation. I will check the article. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  23:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Teenage (film)

On 28 October 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Teenage (film), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Wandervogel, the Hitler Youth, the Swing Kids, the bright young things, the flappers, and the Boy Scouts are all featured in the 2013 film Teenage? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Teenage (film). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Famagusta port

Hi Dr. Just to let you know, I've had to remove some of Alexy's falsities from here earlier. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 18:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much IP editor for your help and for letting me know. I added this article to my watchlist. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  19:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to counter his nonsense on my (previous) talk page. I appreciate it. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 19:36, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

It was the least I could do. Thank you for continuing to help out with the cleanup of this SPA. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  23:42, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

He's pulled another one: Talk:Akrotiri and Dhekelia#File:UK SBA EEZ.png. I'm beginning to wonder why this user is still allow to edit at this point. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 14:03, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Not surprising. In the past, he had uploaded another picture of the Cyprus EEZ which turned out to be a copyvio. This SPA will not stop until it gets indefinitely blocked. My thanks go to you and Thomas.W for stopping this latest violation of original research from that account. Δρ.Κ.  15:51, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:2014 Hong Kong protests#Requested move

Some editor is committing ownership and is accusing me of doing "ad hominem" attacks. Also, he told me not to come back. You're an administrator, right? If so, can you do something about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Ho (talk • contribs)

@George Ho: Hi George. I was visiting ANI on unrelated business and I happened to see that the topic of the HK protests renaming had already moved there. From a cursory reading of the exchange I can see that you and the other editor are well on your way to resolving this matter. So I don't think that my advice is needed any longer. On the other hand, instead of offering any advice, I would just observe that amongst difficult topic areas on Misplaced Pages, AfD and contested move request discussions seem to bring out the worst in people. That's why I participate in those areas, only if I must. Any other time, I avoid them like, to use an old cliché, the plague. I'm not sure if you feel the same way, but if I had any advice for you, it would be to avoid this area as much as you can. In any case, don't hesitate to contact me if any other problems arise. And no, I'm not an admin. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  05:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

chiming in
Thank you for quality articles on Greece and many other subjects, for taking care of precision and factuality in articles, for inviting to talk on article level, for knowing the whispering winds of history, for missing people on a personal level, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (16 January 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:08, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 651st recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much Gerda for the renewed honour and your kind words and encouragement. I consider you one of the best Wikipedians I had the pleasure of meeting here and your presence on my talkpage will always be most welcome, award or not. :) Although, I must say, I really like the blue sapphire and like any precious stone, one cannot have enough. :) Thank you again and take care. Δρ.Κ.  07:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your encouragement. I miss the photographer and the designer (both left 31 October, a tricky day for me, survived again), but keep their torch burning ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

You are very welcome Gerda. It is a noble goal you have undertaken and you are carrying it out with grace and in good spirit. That, is the greatest tribute to those you miss. I hope they return some day. Δρ.Κ.  09:18, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

The discussion

It was taken to User_talk:FPSTurkey/List_of_wars_involving_Northern_Cyprus all along.Alexyflemming (talk) 22:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

We've got another one

Hi again Dr. A user seems to have been removing bits critical of EOKA B from its article. I've reverted all the way back to May. Just thought you might wanna know. Take care. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 02:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Thank you very much for letting me know. I'll keep an eye on that as well. All the best. Δρ.Κ.  05:54, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I've been reverted on all counts. I don't see what good is gonna come of this, so I'll stop editing Cyprus history articles. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 11:34, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I reverted back with some advice to GiorgosY. Let's see. Δρ.Κ.  18:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

By the way, could this be another sock of Hadgimarvi? 213.7.147.34 (talk) 11:47, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

It certainly looks ducky. Thank you for the heads up. I'll investigate further. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  18:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again Dr. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 21:10, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Anytime. Don't mention it. Δρ.Κ.  22:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Nik Wallenda

I just protected it for a day. I figure that newcomers and IPs may have good edits after the event, and we can always protect it longer if and when needed. Do you think even shorter would be best? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:16, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

There are some socks amongst the vandals, one of them actually has the name "Duckyinahat" that sounds very quacking. So I think that one day protecion is fine. Any less and the socks may attack again. Thank you for protecting the article Anna and for asking. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  01:22, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think they are all probably the same person. The "duck" in the name may indicate that they are not new, and the master is none of them. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree. This seems like an experienced and prolific vandal. But I'm not sure if an SPI would help. Δρ.Κ.  01:33, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

In other developments...

User:The Banner accused me of 'POV-bickering', unilaterally decided that Karavostasi should be moved to Gemikonagi, passing it off as a revert ('changed mergeproposal back to Gemikonagi'), and claiming it to be part of North Cyprus, a term we don't seem to generally use. I'd have approached The Banner, but judging by our previous contact, I think it'd be a waste of time. Anyway, I don't expect you to do anything about it, Dr; I just wanted to vent. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 13:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I could also have used the term editwarring. And I repeat my request to you to take a username. Actually, that makes you more anonymous than an IP (no direct geolocation).

And I wrote that the harbour is located in North Cyprus (as being on the north side of Cyprus), not in Northern Cyprus. Just as Belfast is located on Ireland but not in Ireland. (the first link is about the island, the second one is about the state). The Banner talk 13:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

as being on the north side of Cyprus ... Then why did you capitalise north? To most people, North Cyprus means Northern Cyprus. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 13:42, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Nothing human is strange to me, even typos or bad sentences. It is now corrected. The new text is on the north side of the island Cyprus. (with Cyprus referring to the island, not the state). The Banner talk 13:46, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Ok, will you say why you moved that article? If you think we should use the Turkish name of settlements in Northern Cyprus, this isn't the way to go about it. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 13:48, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

And that is exactly what I hammered as POV-bickering. The daily truth is that the northern side of the island is another state than the other 75 or so percent. That state claims to be Turkish and uses Turkish names. We have to live with that until both states on the island are reunited (what can take a while). The Banner talk 13:54, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

You're conveniently forgetting that nearly every other place in Northern Cyprus is the transliteration of its Greek name. Don't you think that this might be a change that you should've discussed? Also, I insisted on the Greek name for no other reason than that it was the name of the article. What part of that is 'POV-bickering'? 213.7.147.34 (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

You forget that the geolocation of your IP points to a connection in south Cyprus, what makes a possible bias not an unlikely option. The Banner talk 14:03, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

So your argument boils down to an ad hominem. Thanks for taking the time to clear things up. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

You may call it that way, I just vent my opinion how you deal with this hot and sometimes emotional item. The Banner talk 14:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, making someone upset by insisting they're biased 'cause of their origin, and then claiming they're upset exactly because they're biased is the best kind of manipulative antics. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 14:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

All of this is completely unnecessary. The IP editor has done some great work on Cyprus-related subjects and onomatology and should be shown respect for his excellent contributions and not be subjected to ad-hominems. And mentioning the IP editor's geolocation as an indication of a possible POV is unjustified and uncivil. Also, putting pressure on him to get a username is an not acceptable practice on Misplaced Pages and should stop. I also support his position on Cyprus onomatology. WP:COMMONNAME is the relevant policy here which states that we don't use official names but the English language commonnames. But this discussion does not belong here. It belongs at the article talk. Δρ.Κ.  16:34, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Just a note that he's now crossed the line over to WP:POINTy. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

No, mr. IP. I am not pointy. I realize very well that emotions and POV have taken over from reason. Have fun with it. The Banner talk 19:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

No, you're being disruptive and POINTy. You're trying to abuse process to get your way. Nobody's been taken over by emotions, but my patience is running very thin indeed. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 19:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Banner, please. I don't see any emotional crisis. Let this cool down a bit. Thanks. Δρ.Κ.  19:18, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Long-time disruptive editor User:Alexyflemming resorts to trolling. Thank you. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 01:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much IP editor. I will participate. Δρ.Κ.  01:46, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Also, thanks for your reply above, and I'm sorry for having had that argument on your talk page. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 02:00, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

You are very welcome. And you are never a disturbance on my talk. You are always welcome here. :) Δρ.Κ.  02:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

A happy ending, it seems. Thanks for chipping in, Dr. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 20:36, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

You are too modest as usual. Thank you for initiating this report which helped end this disruption. I hope you stay around. Your expert help is very much needed in this difficult topic area. All the best. Δρ.Κ.  20:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Question

Hello there Dr. K, sorry to disturb you but I have a quick question about a contribution that you reverted. When I put what I had put there, you said that it was unsupported by citations. May I please ask why? Thanks, Vacationlandman (talk) 04:09, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Wasn't that obvious? Did you read my edit-summary? "continues to severely affect the economy" unsupported by citations. The citations were from 2012 and 2013. Now we have 2014. How can citations from one or two years ago claim that "continues to severely affect the economy"? This is obviously unsupported WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. Conclusion: You cannot project conclusions to the future based on references from a year or two years ago. Δρ.Κ.  04:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Alright, alright. I'm sorry. Vacationlandman (talk) 04:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

It was not a big deal. No need to apologise. Δρ.Κ.  04:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Efcharisto, yiatre,

for nice words, I'm almost blushing. You have also given me some "Thank you"-notes from time to time, which I appreciate. I spend more time on my national Misplaced Pages, but can often not resist to butt in here when I see extreme POV-pushing, and sometimes it just takes off, like recently in Cyprus. And for the record, I have great respect for your tireless work in Misplaced Pages. Take care! --T*U (talk) 10:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi T*U. Thank you very much for your kind words which, as they originate from an editor I greatly respect, are really appreciated. I greatly value and respect your well-considered opinions, to the point that I consider them as a de facto point of reference for me from which I inform my own opinion. It is really fortunate that you keep an eye on POV-pushing in Cyprus-related articles, because without your longterm advice and editing help in that area, the subject would have become a walled garden of extremist POV. You too take care and I hope you continue to provide your much-needed advice. By the way, my title comes from my ph.d. degree in Engineering, I'm not a medical one. :) Δρ.Κ.  17:42, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I second this sentiment. I've always enjoyed your argumentation, TU-nor, and you often seem to be able to get down to the core of issues a lot easier than I can. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 19:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Your arguments have also impressed me greatly. A recent eloquent example comes to mind, and that's not counting the many other excellent contributions you have made. Δρ.Κ.  19:34, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

And I second that! --T*U (talk) 19:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the support

I just wanted to say thanks again for supporting me in all different places. You've made my experience here much more bearable. 83.168.23.138 (talk) 01:40, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind words. It was my pleasure. Thank you also for your advice and tireless work on this project. By the way, I think you hit just the right notes in your last few comments at ANI, especially the last one and I hope that will help bring an end to that episode. Take care and if anything comes up, you know how to find me. :) Δρ.Κ.  02:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Blood Demon

On 13 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Blood Demon, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the 1967 horror film The Blood Demon was advertised in Rhode Island newspapers as Crimson Demon to remove the word "blood" from the title? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Blood Demon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Another of Alexy's OR maps

It's funny how an expert on Northern Cyprus would mix up a village west of Kyrenia with an ancient town on the tip of the Karpass Peninsula. The map's still included in one other article, but I've not checked if any of the rest of it is OR too yet. 83.168.23.138 (talk) 12:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Typical MO of the self-declared expert. Thank you for your hard work continuing to clean up after his edits. Δρ.Κ.  17:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've redirected that article back to Religion in Cyprus. Do you think we can delete that map now that it's no longer used? 83.168.23.138 (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

The map is on Commons, and there they have different criteria and processes for deletion. I don't think original research is one of them. Except OR, is there something else wrong with it? Δρ.Κ.  02:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, he's based it off this map, but he's not given attribution and released it in the public domain, which he's not allowed to do. Also, I noticed that his EEZ map was deleted for being 'out of project scope'. I just don't want someone who might stumble upon his map put it back in one of these articles, thinking it's accurate. 83.168.23.138 (talk) 02:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately the GFDL attribution can be added after the fact, and it is not a reason for deletion. To be deleted it has to be a copyvio from an unfree file, which is not the case here. Not sure what, if anything, can be done in this case. Δρ.Κ.  03:35, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Normally, only the author can relicense their work. Anyway, thanks, Dr. 83.168.23.138 (talk) 10:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

You are very welcome IP editor. Thank you again for your hard work and for finding the original work the file derived from. I may ask a few questions around as soon as I get the chance. Δρ.Κ.  17:53, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

copyvio

Hello Dr.K., just let you know that book you mentioned as a copyvio is entirely written by Misplaced Pages articles, not the other way around. Uspzor (talk) 05:01, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

@Uspzor: Thank you Uspzor. Ok, but in that case, I checked the Lulu book publication date and it was in 2012. The material however was added recently to the article. Where did that material come from? There was also some close paraphrasing from the Kershaw book, and that book is not a copy from Misplaced Pages. Δρ.Κ.  05:13, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually I reinserted a little bit of the content that was recently removed that I considered important to the scope of the article. I suppose the publication is based on an old version of the page where its present. About the Kershaw book I don't know, probably it's the thin line between inspiration and plagiarism. Uspzor (talk) 05:37, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I see. The material you added was actually previously in the article and you reinstated it. That should explain the text in the book by Lulu publications. I have changed the Kershaw sentence to avoid the close paraphrasing, so it should be clean now. I'll let Dianna know. Thank you for letting me know. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  05:57, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually Kershaw's copyvio was really bad. Word for word copy-paste for whole paragraphs. It wasn't even a thin line. It was an eight-lane Autobahn of copyvio. Δρ.Κ.  00:36, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Πηγή για την επιγραφή στο Σκούπι αναγράφουσα Αλβανόπολη

Όσο κόλπα κι αν είχα χρησιμοποιήσει τις προάλλες από την πανοπλία μου νομίμων, ημινομίμων και χμμ όχι και τόσο νομίμων τεχνασμάτων, δεν είχα καταφέρει να βρω στο διαδίκτυο σχετική πηγή (εννοώντας πλήρη ή έστω αρκούσα πρόσβαση και ανάγνωση του κειμένου)· θα με ενδιέφερε να μάθω πώς το κατάφερες. Thanatos|talk|contributions 10:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

LOL. Τέτοια είναι η ιδιοσυγκρασία του Google. :) Έκανα την αναζήτηση στα βιβλία του Google. Απλά έβαλα τους όρους "Αλβανόπολις Θράκες Σκούπι" και βγήκε. Δρ.Κ.  20:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• 1. Καλά εγώ απέτυχα παταγωδώς λατινιστί ή μεικτά κι εσύ επέτυχες αποκλειστικά ελληνιστί;!;! Έτσι ο γούγλης εμένα μου βγάζει 6 (ή 9 αν repeat the search with the omitted results included) άχρηστα αποτελέσματα (0 στα Books)...
• 2. Η ουσία είναι αν έχεις βρει, δει, αποκτήσει πρόσβαση στα περιεχόμενα καθ'αυτά των αποτελεσμάτων (αγγλιστί γαλλιστί ή...). Εγώ σημειωτέον είχα καταλήξει να ψάχνω να βρω πρόσβαση στα έργα αυτών 1, 2 πχ (ουσιαστικά δηλαδή έψαχνα για αναλυτικά όλες ή όσο το δυνατόν περισσότερες τις επιγραφές-επιταφίους στο Σκούπι·όσες είχα καταφέρει να βρω ήταν ενδιαφέρουσες αλλά άσχετες με το θέμα) αλλά γιοκ.

Τ.π. ... Thanatos|talk|contributions 17:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

• @Thanatos666: Στα Αγγλικά έβαλα τους τρείς όρους, αλλά επειδή σου απάντησα στα Ελληνικά τους έγραψα Ελληνικά. Δοκίμασέ το. It is entry number 4 under Fanoula Papazoglou. The description is also there. Δρ.Κ.  18:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

No eBook available... Thanatos|talk|contributions 18:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

• @Thanatos666: Did you click on the link I gave you? Δρ.Κ.  18:34, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

• Ναι βρε. Αλλά είναι σε snippet view-no ebook available. Ακόμα και αν βάλω πρόξυ από ΗΠΑ πχ. Επίσης Στο open-library ή archive.org πχ δεν υπάρχει προς ανάγνωσιν αυτό το βιβλίο ή άλλα σχετικά. Ούτε μπορώ να τα βρω σε κάποιες άλλες τρίτες γκουχ γκουχ διαδικτυακές βιβλιοθήκες... Thanatos|talk|contributions 18:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

• @Thanatos666: Ναι, αλλά το σνίπετ εχει την περιγραφή: "Une stèle funéraire de Scupi porte, avec la première mention épigraphique à'Albanopolis.". Αυτό είναι το κομμάτι που θέλεις. Βέβαια, το υπόλοιπο βιβλίο δεν εμφανίζεται, αλλά η επιβεβαίωση της πρότασης αυτής στο λήμμα είναι δυνατή μέσω του σνίπετ. Νομίζω πως το θέμα τελειώνει εκεί, τουλάχιστο όσον αφορά την επιβεβαίωση της πρότασης περί μνημειακής επιγραφής στο λήμμα. Δρ.Κ.  19:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Ε πες το ότι δεν σου βγάζει τα περιεχόμενα πλήρως ή μερικώς μεν αρκούντως δε (με απόκρυψη δηλαδή μόνο κάποιων σελίδων), ότι μιλάς δηλαδή μόνο για το μικρό απόσπασμα που σου βγάζει από κάτω. ΟΚ. Εγώ συνήθως δεν παραπέμπω σε πηγή έτσι, αν δηλαδή δεν έχω κανονική ή έστω ημικανονική πρόσβαση στο κείμενο, αν δεν μπορώ να διαβάσω δηλαδή τουλάχιστον τις σχετικές σελίδες. ΥΓ Παρεμπιπτόντως είχες αντιγράψει τo ΟCR κείμενο-α που ήταν λάθος προφανώς (επιβεβαίωση με From inside the book: search-> Albanopolis). Το διόρθωσα στο άρθρο. Thanatos|talk|contributions 19:27, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

@Thanatos666: Πολύ καλή δουλειά. Ευχαριστώ. Όσον αφορά την παραπομπή σε συντμημένη πηγή, νόμισα ότι η αναφορά ήταν αρκετά σαφής ώστε να μην υπάρχει αμφιβολία για την πληροφορία αυτή, έστω και σε τέτοια περιληπτική μορφή. Δρ.Κ.  21:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Α θυμήθηκα τί ήθελα να σου πω: Το πρόβλημά τους εικάζω ότι ήταν η αναφορά σε Θράκες εξ Αλβανουπόλεως. Τώρα δεδομένης της αλλαγής του κειμένου λόγω της ελλειπούς πρόσβασης στην πηγή δεν νομίζω να τους πειράζει· κατά μια έννοια μάλιστα, μάλλον τους βολεύει κάπως η αλλαγή... Thanatos|talk|contributions 09:22, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Detmold

If you got time on your hands please take a look at the article Detmold child and/or Pettakere cave. Appreciate it.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: Will do BabbaQ. Δρ.Κ.  18:02, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

New incarnation?

See and user contributions. It might be prudent to keep a watchful eye... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 09:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

LOL. Nice to see you are getting the hang of the SPI side of things. Δρ.Κ.  01:54, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio

Hi Dr. I was reviewing User:Hadgimarvi's edits, and I stumbled upon this article he'd created, which was a shameless copypasta of , in its entirety. I've (somewhat hastily) reworded it, but I gotta dash, so if you could take a look too, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! 213.7.56.181 (talk) 02:53, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi anonymous editor. It is very nice to see you. I guess this is another one of your investigations. :) I passed the article from the copyvio detector and it appears that you cleaned it quite thoroughly. Copyvio detection is very important because aside from possible adverse legal ramifications, it can bring the project to disrepute. It is very rare that an anonymous editor helps in that area, so I thank you for your tireless efforts. Whenever you have a chance, please drop by for any reason, even for a chat. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  04:21, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, I didn't know about that tool. The picture of Beratli he's uploaded appears to have been taken straight from Beratli's Facebook page, so I've tagged it on Commons. This is almost certainly a copyvio as well, but I've not been able to find the original. 213.7.56.181 (talk) 14:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Earwig's copyvio tool is very useful and not very well known. There is also this reverse image search tool which I found useful several times. Unfortunately it doesn't come up with anything regarding the Port of Gemikonagi picture, which is an almost certain copyvio because it is an old picture. For tough or intractable copyvio issues I always ask Diannaa for assistance. I will do the same for this rather obvious copyvio and I will let you know. You can, if you wish, ask any questions from her directly. Thank you again. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  15:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the help. The admin who deleted Beratli's photo nominated the port photo for deletion too. 213.7.56.181 (talk) 19:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

No, thank you. I didn't really do that much. You did all the hard work. :) I'm glad the admin who deleted the first followed up with the second. Commons is a rather unfamiliar place for me, aside from the uploads I have made, and I wouldn't expect them to be so efficient, but this is a welcome surprise. I'll inform Dianna. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  20:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Greece infobox

Actually there is a discussion in Greece's talk page about the matter. Feel free to contribute there. Hansi667 (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I have. Thank you. Δρ.Κ.  17:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the warning on my wall

Dr.K i believe you understand that your warning was not needed ? I mean is one thing writing a warning where a warning is needed , but is another thing writing warnings for no reason whatsoever . Please be more careful next time , because then it touches the borders of WP:HAR . No hard feelings though :) , as a person you have my respect Gjirokastra15 (talk) 17:26, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

@Gjirokastra15: Gjiro, did you see I reverted myself before you came to my talkpage because I saw your explanation? BTW, I also respect you. Δρ.Κ.  17:30, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting it then , and for your good words :) . Gjirokastra15 (talk) 17:34, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

It all happened so fast. Sorry for disturbing your talkpage and thank you also for understanding and for your nice words about me. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  17:36, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually I checked the time signatures and you replied at talk Greece at 17:15:57 UTC while I left my message on your talk at 17:16:12. These edits happened at practically the same time. Δρ.Κ.  19:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/A. William Schorger

I added ALT1 for the nominator, so will you re-review it? --George Ho (talk) 20:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

@George Ho: Hi George, I replied there. Δρ.Κ.  04:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Limassol urban population dispute

Hi Dr, I'm wondering if you've got time to offer your input here. What started out as a content dispute has devolved into my being accused of vandalism, after I'd attempted to compromise, simply by replacing an out-of-date population figure from an unpublished list with that of the CoE source that'd been cited right next to it. The CoE is unambiguous about it being the urban population. I can't help but think that this latest rv was performed out of spite.

Also, people here are "voting" in favour of moving Sinop, Turkey to Sinop, simply because they don't like the current title, while my pleas are being ignored. 213.7.22.7 (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

I see that the Limassol issue has been resolved in a compromise which includes the 176,700 figure of CoE. I briefly checked the discussion on your talkpage and it does not include the CoE figure of 176,700 neither any mention of CoE, so I'm not sure where the other figures come from, but given the compromise, this should be a moot point now. Please let me know if my analysis is correct. Regarding the vandalism message on your talk, it is not justified in any way and i will make a note of that.

As far as Sinop, you made some very good points, but reading through the arguments, rather quickly I have to admit, I didn't notice that you were opposed to the move strongly. I have to leave now, but when I return I'll check that page again. Δρ.Κ.  18:13, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Things are moving rather fast, I see that the vandalism warning was graciously removed by Subtropical man. There goes another contentious point. :) Δρ.Κ.  18:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose this will do for Limassol. In the infobox, it's listed under the wrong date, but -- on second thought -- I don't think I'll pursue it any further. Well, there was no valid argument I could be opposed to, really. The nominator's was false and subsequent ones amounted to little more than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Thanks for looking into this so quickly. 213.7.22.7 (talk) 18:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't mention it. It was a pleasure. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  22:02, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

The return of a certain someone

I don't think "repeatition" is a very common misspelling. , , 213.7.22.7 (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I started the investigation. Δρ.Κ.  01:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. The sock has created a new account and is accusing me of being User:TU-nor. He also seems to have collected some unrelated IPs. 213.7.22.7 (talk) 11:00, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Usual clueless/battleground MO of the master. I'll check it out as soon as I can. Δρ.Κ.  12:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Could we get an admin to look at this now? He continues to very much knowingly "confuse" me with IPs who vandalised WP, as early as January 2013. There's a limit to how much abuse I'm willing to take from this person. 213.7.22.7 (talk) 11:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

SPI is running slow due to overload. This case has been initiated by an obvious sock for sheer harassment. S/he will be indeffed in due course. You should not worry about it in the least. Regardless, when I return I'll see what I can do. Δρ.Κ.  16:59, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Houston

we have a problem with that editor who thinks he knows the truth. He's new, ok, but making major changes, adding material to sourced text, etc, as you've seen. I'll comment on his talk page. Dougweller (talk) 09:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Doug, I'll check into the problem soon. Best regards. Δρ.Κ.  17:00, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. He spread a lot of OR in many articles. Thanks for leaving the message on his talk. He appears to have stopped for now. Nice talking to you. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  20:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Betterday123098

You accused me for being a sock. I don't really know what this sock means, but if you had something with my edit on Panagiotis Kone than I won't edit it again. And please can you explain me what a sock is, cause I have only a month as an contributor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Betterday123098 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you.....here's a kitty https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Dr.K.#https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Dr.K.#

Mastermuttsir (talk) 04:34, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. :) That's a very nice gesture and a wonderful picture. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  04:37, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Don't know if you know it, but you helped me out a lot when I first started editing regularly on Misplaced Pages. So just want to say thanks and happy holiday to you. TerryAlex (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

What a nice surprise! Thank you very much TerryAlex for this nice barnstar and your very generous evaluation of any assistance I may have offered you when you were a new editor. :) Now that I think about it, during our early discussions, I was impressed by your civility and quick understanding of the policies. Since then I have seen you grow into an excellent editor whose judgment and edits I greatly respect. Your work in the difficult area of K-pop has helped improve many of these articles and is greatly appreciated. So, I don't know if you know it, but you are among the editors whose work I value greatly and I am thankful for. Best of the Season to you. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  03:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

mistake

I reverted you which I thought the IP had said "Rv, unjustified" after IP quickly revert done here: . It really agitated me. I hope I didn't upset you. Sorry JudeccaXIII (talk) 00:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

No problem at all Judecca. I was actually trying to support your edit. Thank you for the clarification, regardless. It was very nice of you. Take care and Best of the Season to you. Δρ.Κ.  01:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Request to review my changes in the Macedonian (Disambiguation Page)

Hello Dr.K, I made some subtle improvements on the following page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Macedonian#People which has seen some neglect and POV issues. More specifically I improved the info slightly and removed the word "modern" for Greek Macedonians which is potential POV related to Macedonian nationalism which denies Greek presence in the region of Macedonia prior to 20th century. Full explanation of my edits can be found in user Local Hero's page at: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Local_hero#Explanation_request_for_reverting_all_of_my_edits_and_fixs_without_consderation I'm hoping if can you review my changes and appoint to my errors or possible POVs caused unintentionally by me? Just asking for neutral opinion, not meant to drag you in edit wars or so. Just asking if I'm doing something wrong. I apologize if me request for review/check on my changes is impolite action, I know I could have used the corresponding article's talk page but I feel no attention comes to, stall, for weeks and or months in some cases. Thanks for your attention, and for your good work in Misplaced Pages!--AuditoreEzio (talk) 02:38, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi AuditoreEzio. I didn't realise until now that you are the mobile account of Silent Resident. Thank you for your nice message. It is no problem at all. You are always welcome on my talkpage, so please feel free to drop by any time. I checked through your edits and at first glance they seem fine to me. I know you are a careful editor and I respect you. However you tried to edit what amounts to a wiki hornet's nest so try to take this conflict with a large grain of salt. Since you asked me I will try to delve into this a bit more but I need some time. Give me a few days. In the meantime I'll watch this to try to add my light input here and there, as needed. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  03:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Happened to see this and made a couple of (minor) changes. Hope you don't mind. 93.109.179.224 (talk) 03:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah,thanks guys, I appreciate it! Glad to prove useful. Doing my best to improve Misplaced Pages. Have a nice day!--AuditoreEzio (talk) 03:46, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both for your civility and well considered input. It must be the spirit of the season. It is rare to encounter such pleasant exchanges on this project. :) Take care guys and Best of the Season to you. Δρ.Κ.  04:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Removal of "Bad Astronomy" as an external link on the "Nibiru Cataclysm" wiki

Hey Dr. K. Besides the dead links referred to in Bad Astronomy's article on Planet X(http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html), here is what Bad Astronomy says about 'unusual weather patterns':

"First off, surprise! The weather isn't all that weird. We are coming off of an El Nino, which is a weather pattern that disrupts climates across the world. Also, we are now into springtime, when things like tornadoes are common. Seeing tornadoes in Texas and Oklahoma is not only not unusual, but is expected!...'Conclusion: the weather isn't any weirder than it usually is at the end of an El Nino, so the claims of weird weather are wrong.'"

What?! His website is hyper-linked as a way to introduce a scientific perspective to the wiki. Instead, it is blatantly implying climate change isn't real. I was told he writes against "climate change denial", but this article puts him along with the deniers. If he is supposed to represent scientific consensus (which is what it seems like was intended), then the logical approach here would be to either remove this article that encourages climate denial, or replace it with another site that doesn't misguide readers into thinking that weather patterns aren't unusual. (This is unequivocally bad science, & a bad representation of it).

thank you :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.102.217 (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I haven't looked into the details of this in depth, so I am not going to challenge your opinion. The primary thing I wanted to accomplish by my intervention was to stop the constant reversions and also counter the argument of the dead links that can be repaired by using WebCite or the Internet archive. Given that you make your points clearly and you have no trouble communicating in a knowledgeable as well as civil manner, you could perhaps discuss this subject on the article talk to persuade the other editors and achieve some form of consensus. Personally speaking, although I am not an expert in this field, at first glance I find your arguments convincing, so I think you should give discussion on the article talkpage a try. Let me know if you need my opinion during that discussion process, if you wish to engage in it. Best of the Season to you. Δρ.Κ.  12:10, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

User keeps making unsourced changes to British diaspora article

I wonder if you have any advice on how to deal with this. I've tried starting a discussion on the article's talk page and left a message on their talk page. Though I've not technically crossed 3RR, I don't wanna revert them again. 93.109.179.224 (talk) 23:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

You are correct in that the BBC source supports only 200,000 and since it is the source cited in the article, the supported figure is 200,000. However the French source estimates 400,000 although it is not quoted in the diaspora article but rather in Britons in France. So the citations have to be changed in the diaspora article. I see also that you were reverted by a sock IP so that the main account does not breach 3RR. I will leave them a note. Δρ.Κ.  01:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I would oppose changing any of the figures in the table. Clearly, these two sources employed different methodology or used a different data set, or there would've been no such disparity. If the table's gonna be comparing apples to oranges, then (a) that'll need to be stated, (b) entries should be alphabetised and (c) the ranking removed. 93.109.179.224 (talk) 02:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

The BBC figures are from 2006 so that may explain some of the difference. I tried to patch it up temporarily by citing the 400k figure. As far as your comments I agree. The ranking has to be removed and the underlying assumptions clearly stated. Otherwise the BBC data can stay but that should also be stated. You can try and fix it if you wish and I'll keep an eye out for any reversions. Δρ.Κ.  02:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try to get to that tomorrow. Thanks again. 93.109.179.224 (talk) 02:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Anytime. Don't mention it. :) Δρ.Κ.  02:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Sources for official status of the Flag of Greek Orthodox Church and Mount Athos

Γεια σου φιλε μου, να σε ρωτησω, εχω παλι μπελαδες με τον FuturePerfectAtSunshine, μπορω να σου ζητησω μια χαρη; Μπορεις να δεις αν υπαρχει καποια αποδειξη οτι η κιτρινη σημαια με μαυρο δικεφαλο αετο, οντως χρησιμοποιοειται στο Αγιον Ορος και στους ναους ολης της χωρας?,Εγω εχω παει στην Αθωνικη πολιτεια, εχω δει την σημαια αυτη παντου, δηλαδη στα καμπαναρια, στα γραφεια των μοναχων, στην κεντρρικη πλατεια καθε ιερας μονης, παντου, σε ολη την επικρατεια του Αγιου Ορους, αλλα η αληθεια δεν εχει σημασια αν δεν εχεις επισημες αποδειξεις. Γιατι οταν, σημερα, πηρα το κουραγιο να βελτιωσω την σελιδα Mount Athos, στο οποιο ελειπε η κιτρινη σημαια απο το infobox, και τη εβαλα, ο future perfect παλι αναιρεσε τις βελτιωσεις που εκανα και ζηταει επισημες αποδειξεις για την επισημοτητα της σημαιας, αλλα δεν νομιζω το Αγιο Ορος, οπως και η Ελληνορθοδοξη Εκκλησια εχουν ενδιαφερον για την Βικιπεδεια ωστε να μας δωσουν αποδειξεις. Απλως, αφου η κιτρινη σημαια ηδη χρησιμοποιειται στο info box της σελιδας Greek Orthodox Church οπως και οφειλε, γιατι οχι και στην σελιδα του Mount Athos?. Οποτε απλως ενημερωσα αναλογως την σελιδα Mount Athos οπου ελειπε. Ομως ο future perfect διαφωνει να γινει αυτο χωρις αποδειξεις, και τωρα πλεον αμφισβητει οχι μονο την σημαια στο infoobox του Mount Athos page αλλα και την σημαια στο infobpox της Greek Orthodox Church page... Και εγω δεν εχω ιδεα πως αποδεικνυουμε την επισημοτητα μιας σημαιας? Εχω παει στο Αγιο Ορος, ειδα οτι ειναι η σημαια του, αλλα δεν μπορω να αποδειξω οτι ειναι σημαια του. Στο google δεν βρισκω αποδειξεις οτι ειναι τεκμηριωμενα η επισημη σημαια της Εκκλησιας μας και του Αγιου Ορους… Ειναι κριμα να αφαιρεθουν οι σημαιες των Ελληνικων Εκκλησιων και του Ορους Αθους επειδη δεν ξερω που να βρω αποδειξεις οτι οντως ειναι αληθινες, επισημες και χρησιμοποιουνται. Αν εχεις στοιχεια οτι η σημαια οντως ειναι η επισημη της Ελληνορθοδοξης Εκκλησιας και του Αγιου Ορους, πες να ξερουμε, αλλιως αυριο ο future perfect θα την αφαιρεσει απο τις σελιδες (ετσι λεει, εβαλε citation για τωρα, ενω αυριο θα την αφαιρεσει αν δεν φερω αποδειξεις), παρολο που τον διαβεβαιωσα οτι οντως η σημαια χρησιμοποιειται ειλικρινα. Θελησα να φερω το θεμα υποοψιν εμπειρων χρηστων οπως εσυ, γιατι ολες οι ξενες ορθοδοξες εκκλησιες εχουν σημαια στν Βικιοπεδια, γινεται η Ελληνορθοδοξη Εκκλησια να μεινει χωρις? Εψαξα ηδη στο γουγλ δεν βρηκα κατι να αποδεικνυει οτι το Αγιο Ορος και η Ελληνικη Εκκλησια εχουν οντως την κιτρινη σημαια με το μαυρο δικεφαλο αετο ως επισημη σημαια... Για περισσοτερα info, εχουμε συζητηση στο Talk Page του Mount Athos με τιτλο "flags, official languages, etc..." Αν τυχον εχεις αποδειξεις που μπορει να μας φανουν χρησιμες, εισαι καλοδεχουμενος να τις μοιραστεις με μας για να λυθει η ασκοπη διαμαχη. Τα λεμε. -AuditoreEzio (talk) 22:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Γειά σου AuditoreEzio. Δεν είμαι σίγουρος για το θέμα αυτό της σημαίας του Αγίου Όρους καθότι δεν ξέρω αν το Άγιο Όρος χρησιμοποιεί τη σημαία σαν την επίσημη σημαία της περιοχής η απλώς σαν τη καθιερωμένη σημαία της Ελληνορθόδοξης Εκκλησίας. Επειδή η Εκκλησία και το Άγιον Όρος είναι συνυφασμένα νομίζω ότι τέτοια διαφοροποίηση μπορεί να είναι κάπως δύσκολη. Αλλά θα προσπαθήσω να δω αν μπορώ να βρω κάτι επί του θέματος. Δρ.Κ.  00:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Ασε, ολα τακτοποιηθηκαν, βρηκα επισημα εγγραφα και ντοκουμεντα της Αγιορειτικης Πολιτειας, οπως το χαρτι αδειας εισοδου στα συνορα της πολιτειας, ολα εχουν τον Δικεφαλο Αετο εκτυπωμενο. Οπως και βρηκα φωτογραφιες με τη σημαια. Πιστευω το θεμα λυθηκε με λιγη τυχη. Ευχαριστω παντως! -AuditoreEzio (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Δεν έκανα τίποτα, αλλά ευχαριστώ για τα καλά λόγια. Έκανες καλή δουλειά, μπράβο. Γειά χαρά και Καλές Γιορτές. Δρ.Κ.  01:11, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

AuditoreEzio, ο Future Perfect at Sunrise πιστεύει πως για να θεωρήσουμε την σημαία ως επίσημη αυτό θα πρέπει να υπαγορεύεται από το νόμο. Έτσι, δυστυχώς, μάλλον αμφιβάλλω πως το θέμα έληξε. 31.153.50.47 (talk) 01:24, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Αν ειναι ετσι, τοτε μαλλον δεν εχω ελπιδα... Και γω που νομιζα οτι Misplaced Pages is all about facts... -AuditoreEzio (talk) 02:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Γι' αυτό και εισηγήθηκα να βάλεις την σημαία αλλού στο κείμενο με λεζάντα κάτι σε: "The flag of the Greek Orthodox Church, which is customarily flown in Mount Athos". 31.153.50.47 (talk) 03:17, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Εχεις δικιο. Δοκιμασα την ιδεα σου και ειναι ωραια! Σε ευχαριστω για τις πολυτιμες συμβουλες σου, κριμα που ο FutPerf δεν εχει εποικοδομητικο πνευμα σαν εσενα. Το μονο που κανει ειναι να αναιρει (revert) τυφλα τις προσπαθειες των υπολοιπων χωρις να προτεινει εναλλακτικες λυσεις στα προβληματα, οπως εσυ με την ιδεα σου για image-thumbnail-next-to-text. Σε ευχαριστω, να εχεις καλο βραδυ! -AuditoreEzio (talk) 04:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

@AuditoreEzio:  Done. Supplied three citations with quotes, page numbers and urls to target the specific wording in the snippets. Cheers. Δρ.Κ.  21:34, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

You re awesome! Thanks. -AuditoreEzio (talk) 22:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Great stuff. Thanks. Evensteven (talk) 00:06, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much guys for your nice comments. It was my pleasure. Δρ.Κ.  00:36, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Nicene Creed

Warm greetings for a winter season. Do you watch the Nicene Creed article? The latest edit and reversion has to do with a diacritical mark in "Nicene Creed" in the Greek language (in the article's opening sentence). It's not in a place where I've ever seen the mark before, so I am wondering if it's correct. Would you take a look and make any necessary adjustment? Thanks. Evensteven (talk) 05:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Best of the Season to you too Evensteven. It is always nice talking to you. :) The tilde on the definite article "τῆς" is the standard diacritic (perispomene) for the genitive of the traditional polytonic system. Example: "τῆς ὀργῆς τοῦ ἀρνίου". The IP edit wanted to remove it but this is only valid in the modern monotonic system. I hope this answers your question. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  05:46, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks much. I've not really studied the language, but I know the alphabet and some words and can generally sound out any word. I'm getting faster, as I like to have some fluency for chanting at church. (We use English mostly, but Greek is perhaps 5-10%.) I think the printing I see must mostly be the monotonic system, as the frequency of diatonics is less than in your example and some other quotes I've seen here on WP. Blessed Nativity fast to you! Evensteven (talk) 07:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much Evensteven for your wishes. I didn't know and wouldn't have expected that the monotonic system was so prevalent in traditional religious texts. I'm not sure if that is a modern phenomenon or it has always been that way. It could be perhaps a simplified version of the traditional Koine/katharevousa text which was adopted some time ago. Very interesting. Have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Δρ.Κ.  17:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, that's a bit of a guess on my part, but the "texts" I'm reading from are American print jobs intended for the general church membership, or in music used at the chanting stand, all of which is designed to be bilingual so that it can be used by English-speakers if or when the original Greek is employed. I haven't spent much time in the service books, and have not particularly seen what is used by the clergy, and I expect they could be quite a different matter. I presume that the monotonic system is a modern, rather generic simplification? Perhaps it is also designed more for secular use in the present time, rather than for being applied to Koine Greek? Our own pastor is an American-born convert himself, a native English-speaker who learned (Koine) Greek in seminary. He is quite fluent in that, but I understand he finds it challenging to try to conduct a conversation in everyday Greek when he visits. I would expect his scholarly training in Koine, however, would have been done in the traditional way. For what it's worth, though, I have seen Greek text printed for one-time or short-term use entirely without diacritics also, not even monotonic.

One must understand that, with the rapid spread of Orthodoxy into the west, there has always been a scramble to translate all sorts of texts into the common language, and English has been among the foremost of those. In the 15 years since I became Orthodox, there has been a veritable explosion of materials available in English where none were before. Along with the translations, there are also references back to the originals, and those are sometimes provided as quick auxiliaries produced by those of us who can copy but know only a little beyond the alphabet. The experts have more than had their hands busy meantime, and the improvements are remarkable. So some of my experience is rapidly becoming what you might call "historical". That 15 years includes most of the lifetime and expansion of the Internet, which has had quite an impact as well in making materials readily accessible. So I expect that when Greek is used in English-speaking churches in the future, the chances are the greater that a restoration of the traditional diacritics is likely to be ever commoner.

May you also have a very Merry Christmas and blessed new year. Evensteven (talk) 19:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Evensteven, monotonic orthography is a simplification, but not a "generic" one. The tones the accents are meant to represent were lost from speech near-2,000 years ago. Polytonic katharevousa was abolished after the fall of the Junta in 1974. I've no idea about Orthodox clergy, so I can't comment on that. I hope you don't mind my intrusion. Happy Christmas. 31.153.50.47 (talk) 20:09, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Very interesting, thanks 31.153.50.47. That goes a way to explaining to me the references to language differences I have heard but have found rather confusing. It's no surprise to me that 2000 years is likely to produce major changes for any number of reasons. But, whatever I've seen regarding diacritics (and I may be wrong in having thought I've seen a real monotonic system used), I'm sure the underlying language itself has always been Koine, untouched from the original. I would only suppose that as the Church gets better established in America, we English-speakers will only become more adept in seeing that the Greek quotes are fully accurate. We also have a growing American monastic community that has done tremendous support work, from which we draw continually. Καλα Χριστιανου (hope I got that basically right). Evensteven (talk) 00:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

It's actually "Καλά Χριστούγεννα". "Καλα Χριστιανου" actually means the "Goods of the Christian". But no problem, the meaning is clear enough, especially given the context of the season. :) Thank you both for the background regarding the diacritic systems. I always assumed that the ancient text we learned in school was always written with the polytonic. But perhaps they just added the diacritics after the fact. Καλά Χριστούγεννα to both of you. :) Δρ.Κ.  01:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure that the printing of Greek diacritics is simply a matter of course in Greece, but it's not been a commonly available alternative all the time where English is the primary tongue. We're just improving our knowledge, and internationalization is also becoming increasingly common generally. And thanks for setting me straight on the greeting. I do remember hearing that before now, but my memory is not what it was. Perhaps I might have come up with it if I had paused to think of the root words, commonly enough used in English (genesis, generation, etc). But I stand a better chance in any case now that I have ventured this try. And now I'm ready to spring it at church this year. Cheers. Evensteven (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Now with the official adoption of the monotonic system in Greece, the use of the polytonic characters is not common any longer. I only use the monotonic characters. Actually the use of the polytonic system was a relic of the past which had no obvious benefit in any way and to sustain its orthography one had to learn so many rules that the only people happy with that system were the high school language teachers. So choosing the monotonic system for the rendering of the Greek is the correct step in any circumstances. I also see that you are fast recovering your knowledge of Greek etymology. I am very glad to see that. And even happier to know that you are going to use the expression as a Christmas greeting at your church. :) Take care Evensteven and please don't hesitate to drop by for any reason, especially with any language questions. :) Δρ.Κ.  05:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. Are you saying, then, that it is now considered "correct" to write Koine Greek using the monotonic system of diacritics? I interpret "official adoption" to be by the Greek government, so do you know if the Church has accepted that adoption for its own use as well? (Or is Church acceptance even uniform?) I suppose the answer might influence which diacritics we'd like to use in the Nicene Creed article.

As for the greeting, we just have fun at church trading similar greetings in "extra" languages when we can. My experience indicates that the various jurisdictions in America all celebrate Orthodoxy's international character by using at least a second language in some portions of services, and it spills out into informal greetings from there. Greek, Antiochian, and OCA churches all trade the Paschal greeting/response "Χρίστος ανέστι / Αλιθός ανέστι" in at least English, Greek, Arabic, and Russian (Slavonic), and often as many more languages as there happen to be nationalities represented (like Serbian). Similarly, it is common for members to read the gospel at Agape Vespers in as many languages as can be fluently read in the community. My own church once strained the patience even of the bishop by mounting readings in 21 languages at the service! Greek is second only to English with us, of course, but we dabble wherever we can. How American at its best: unity in diversity, e pluribus unum (from many, one). And how Christian: after all, even at His birth Christ drew people to Himself from far places. Evensteven (talk) 10:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

The monotonic system was adopted by the Greek government and is the system that is used throughout the secular part of the state, in education, organisations etc. It is further simplified in that single-syllable words do not carry diacritics. This precludes the use of diacritics on any definite articles. However I'm not sure about the extent of adoption of the monotonic system by the Orthodox Church. I am fairly certain that they did not change their ancient canon books which I suspect are in polytonic. But this is different from the use of the monotonic by the Church for everyday affairs, correspondence, literature etc., which may well be in monotonic. But I am not 100% certain about it. For Misplaced Pages, due to the traditional use of polytonic in ancient religious matters, I think the use of the polytonic should be ok, although I cannot quote any wiki policy on that. And you are right about the strength of the Church, reflected in its diversity, since the time of the birth of Christ, as you so eloquently, and in such timely manner, put it. Δρ.Κ.  19:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

It would be mostly aesthetic. Some of the diacritics such as daseia used to denote the presence of an "h" before the starting vowel of a word but it has no real effect on modern pronunciation. Similarly other diacritics denote other pronuciation hints which have become redundant. So omitting them would not affect the modern pronunciation or meaning of the words, but as with all simplifications, it presumably hampers the understanding of a scholar focusing on the ancient dialect traits and pronunciation. But then again a scholar would use the original text. Δρ.Κ.  21:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Ah, excellent. Thanks so much! It's funny how these little details can sometimes do so much to reveal the essence of things. Evensteven (talk) 00:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Looking into the details of something as seemingly innocuous as reducing the number of diacritics one can find out some unexpected and interesting facts. In that regard, I also thank you for opening this line of inquiry. Δρ.Κ.  03:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

My edits

The second edit removing 'hellenistic state' was an accident, I did not intend to do that. Besides, I undid one of your reverts that states some of Aristotle's works, as the article really does not need it and plus the wording sounds better with 'was' rather than 'where in part of'. Luxure Σ 04:13, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok. Fair enough. Thank you for the notification. Δρ.Κ.  04:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

A Pink

Hi Doc, if I happen to say something wrong/unreasonable in that discussion, you are welcome to correct me anytime. Thanks Doc :) --TerryAlex (talk) 17:27, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind words TerryAlex, but the main reason I have not participated in that discussion is that I agree with your well-made comments and I also trust your judgment. I was also impressed by the quality of your arguments, as for example this one, and your civility. K-pop articles are much better off because you are around. I am very pleased about that, because, if for nothing else, it makes my life a lot easier in that area, since I agree with you almost by default and I know that your knowledge and expertise can help defend the quality of these articles. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  20:38, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Please join in!

If you're a frequent editor of kpop articles, feel free to join a new discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture. We're trying to discuss consistency, redundancy, over-fannishness, and other issues. BTW, your photos are gorgeous! :) Shinyang-i (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much Shinyang-i for your kind invitation and also for your nice remark about my pictures. I may join the conversation, but I am glad to see now that editors like yourself, Random86 and TerryAlex are knowledgeable and capable of addressing these widespread problems present in these articles. All three of you have my confidence and I agree and support your actions. I will make my opinion known if there is a need for it. But, seeing so many capable new editors in this area, whose actions I respect, makes me feel relaxed enough to say that I can live with whatever you decide.

After so many years of edit-warring conflict in this area and countless sockpuppet investigations, seeing new editors like you and the others get seriously involved in cleaning up these articles, makes me feel like my job is done, at least as far as K-pop is concerned. Aside from some veteran editors in that area like my friend Drmies and some great admin support whenever there was a need to protect an article, run an SPI, or block a sock, there were not many editors to provide support on the ground, at least in the early years. Thankfully this has changed. Certainly I will keep an eye on developments to provide my support if needed, and of course I will watch out for the ever-present socks. Regardless, if you think my input would be useful on a given issue please let me know. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  21:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Random86Shinyang-iCan you provide an opinion on A Pink and Crayon Pop, Dr.K? Random86 and I desperately wanted that discussion to end, but it's so hard to change the K pop articles' mentality.--TerryAlex (talk) 21:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Even after Drmies's comments, not all editors were able to realize the true underlying problem of K-pop-related articles.--TerryAlex (talk) 21:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I feel like if we give in, more and more unnecessary details will keep on piling up to these K-pop articles and they will never end. And that is what we definitely don't want. We need to reset the standards, no matter how late, otherwise, the problem can never get better. Merry Christmas to you, Dr.K.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:20, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree that there is a lot of non-notable fluff that has to be removed. I support your removals and those of Shinyang-i and Random86 and your rationales for doing so. I also see that you have encountered some resistance but let's see how the centralised discussion goes. I'm going to check the discussion at A Pink and try to see how I can help. As far as Crayon Pop I checked the foreign-language sources and they look like tabloids to me but since they are foreign I'm not sure what they are. Please let me know how good they are. Take care and Merry Christmas to you too. :) Δρ.Κ.  08:54, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

If we can settle the current issue with Crayon Pop, then A Pink should be fine as well. Here are two roughly English translations for Crayon Pop, Doc. Similar outfits, tell me if it is such a big deal. The original band was even being accused once too. I read some Soompi's comments and most people don't care either. 1st article Soompi's article --TerryAlex (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

For the two incidents being discussed at Talk:Crayon Pop#Momoiro Clover Z, Google seems to indicate that Rocket News and Cyzo Woman are tabloids. I don't know about Newsen, but it looks ok. JoongAng Ilbo is a reliable source (used for the second incident). The question we are trying to answer is this: Are accusations automatically notable if reliable sources publish articles about it? Thanks for your help, Dr. K. --Random86 (talk) 09:29, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

That's a good question Random86 and also difficult to answer because it depends on many factors. One factor is the breadth of coverage, another is the importance of the subject matter. Coverage by a few serious sources may be not be enough for inclusion if the matter is trivial. So we have to decide, is this matter trivial? To answer this question, I read the two articles TerryAlex gave me and I just can't believe that people spend their time on superficial nonsense like this. Perhaps the image people for these groups have run out of ideas for the design of the group uniforms and the fans have nothing better to do but complain about the clothes the musicians wear. I just can't believe this stuff. The group members getting dressed like Christmas trees and people complaining that they look alike. Does this superficial fluff belong in an encyclopedia? I would say not, at least not in a serious one, even if it got picked up by a few serious sources. Δρ.Κ.  10:12, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Random86: That's a good question Random86 and also difficult to answer because it depends on many factors. Yes Doc, there is "an exception" to everything, but let me tell you what, 99% of the cases with K-pop is exactly the "nonsense" stuff that you just read. That is why Random86 and I have been arguing that "anything that comes out of the netizens should just be omitted".--TerryAlex (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

K-pop fans just think all K-pop artists are gods and everything, even a piece of dust about them, should be included on here. There is a separate article for every single endorsement deal List of Girls' Generation endorsements (and some users even told me that this is encyclopedic and they can use this for their research), their awards article is longer than "The Beatles"'s too. And have you read my recent talk page's discussion? People still argue with me on why I took out the MV section on the page. --TerryAlex (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to take a look again at that discussion to get a better idea of what's involved but I need a bit of time. I'll let you know. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  19:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Bad beginnings

Hey Dr.K.,

I think we had got off to a bad start (several times). I apologise for my behaviour towards you and on specific articles. I thought you were like the other editors, but you aren't, you are, at least, willing to compromise. Anyway I am writing this to apologise for my past behaviour and rudeness and hopefully relations can be normalised. It is holiday season. If you don't mind telling, what kind of doctor are you or is that just your username?

Kala Christougenna, Luxure Σ 07:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much Luxure for your nice words. It's no problem. For me the bad beginnings you refer to is just water under the bridge. It is normal in that area for editors to sometimes come into conflict with each other, so misunderstandings happen frequently. What saves us at the end of the day is seeing the other person/editor under the light of AGF. So thank you for that and you have also my apology if I ever spoke to you strongly. My username is the nickname my students have given me because of my Ph.D. degree in Engineering. I was surprised at first when they started calling me that, but, on reflection, I thought it sounded nice and I adopted it. G'day, Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year Down Under. Take care. :) Δρ.Κ.  17:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I edited your link

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Natalia_Poklonskaya&diff=639230228&oldid=639230000, I think that is a better way to direct people to the discussion, but i can understand why you want a permanent link, feel free to revert me if you feel permanence is more important than proper direction. CombatWombat42 (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Thank you for letting me know. I thought about that, given that when the link gets archived it is a hassle to locate it. But there is also an argument to be made about navigating to the current version. Since you think it's better I will not change it. Δρ.Κ.  20:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it would be really nice if you one could do both. CombatWombat42 (talk) 20:33, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps next time I will include both links. Δρ.Κ.  20:40, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I meant it would be cool if wikipdia had a way to link to a section that followed archives, that would be a neat feature. CombatWombat42 (talk) 23:04, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I got that much. No worries. :) I knew you were talking in general and the personal pronoun "you" in your message did not refer to me. But since the software doesn't have the feature I did it manually, since I found the idea to be good. Δρ.Κ.  00:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Wrong notification

Hello,

You left me a message here ] for edit warring, despite I have only reverted it once. So that's wrong.

- 94.210.203.230 (talk) 23:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Considering that in your edit-summary you mention: 3rd time reverting sourced, useful additions without a clear reason., I took your word for it. In addition you are edit-warring across many articles, so that's disruptive and you will do well to heed the 3RR warning in any event. Δρ.Κ.  01:15, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I wrote that because User:Alexikoua started a reverting spree of large amounts of large edits I had made based on petty reasons (e.g, subsection titles I made, nitpicking over one-two words, sometimes he just reverted without even writing something, calling everything "disruptive IP edit") on 2 articles before I wrote that. Hence it was the 3rd time. Now I wonder, is it more disruptive to constantly revert someone's large sourced edits on multiple articles of the same topic based on the reasons I gave above, basically ruining all his work based on one or two words which could possibly be incorrect or not precisely formulated, or your claim that I am supposedly "edit warring" across "many articles" due to his reverts, with a notification you just sent me which isn't even correct per the policy to start with? (as I reverted it once) I might have made a mistake with writing that as a description in my edit summary, but still, I'd expect a more careful approach if I was given the power to give people warnings and such. If anyone is being disruptive here per the description of the scenaria I gave it's Alexikoua. Just saying ;) Anyway thanks for the warning to be cautious. A Merry Christmas btw! -94.210.203.230 (talk) 03:07, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd expect a more careful approach if I was given the power to give people warnings and such: No-one gave me the power to give warnings, everyone has that "power", including you. You are adding similar information across multiple Greece-related articles which causes content problems and is being reverted for valid reasons. Instead of starting large-scale edit-warring across multiple articles you should discuss on the talkpage of the article, before you readd this information. The warning about edit-warring that I gave you has the right information for you to consider given that you were reverting, but you reverted it, which is not a good sign. If you had read it, instead of reverting it, you would have seen that to be blocked for edit-warring you don't need to break the 3-revert rule but only to indicate that you intended to keep edit-warring. Since your edit-warring was large-scale, which meant that you intended to edit-war, and also since your edit-summary referred to three reverts, which meant that you didn't know about the three revert rule, I gave you the standard 3RR message to inform you about it. It is up to you now to consider your edit-warring options. Δρ.Κ.  04:21, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Just informing you that 94.210.203.230 is long term abuser and a banned user, see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Beh-nam/Archive, you can remove this section if you like. Bladesmulti (talk) 22:43, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I knew something was up with this user and my suspicions grew when he changed the 300 Spartans to "several few thousands". Thank you Bladesmulti for letting me know. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  22:50, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season

		Happy Holiday Cheer
		Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys! Diannaa (talk) 23:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Thank you very much Dianna for the beautiful message. I was preparing to give you one also, but you beat me to that. :) Merry Christmas and Happy New year to you too. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  00:02, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hey, merry Christmas to the both of you. Y'all are valuable contributors and good colleagues. Drmies (talk) 00:04, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: To you too Doc. All the Best of the Season. Always nice talking to you. :) Take care. Δρ.Κ.  00:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Dr Mies. Best wishes for the holidays! -- Diannaa (talk) 05:39, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

I see "the Dr. K" and Dr. Mies are in; well have a good relaxing Christmas time holiday and take care. Cheers, Kierzek (talk) 15:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

LOL, I guess I am in. Technically speaking, Drmies just paid a brief visit. :) Thank you very much Kierzek for the humorous moment, and for your kind wishes. Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year! Cheers. :) Δρ.Κ.  17:10, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Article

This is the one and only article I plan to write (Church of the Creator) and I believe it was deleted in error -- possibly because the editor didn't bother to even read it.

I don't want to be involved in a "war," but I was told a year ago to write an article about the church so that the redirect could be changed, and now that I've done so, it gets deleted? That's not OK.

Forget the article. I won't touch it again (unless I can get the church leaders to authorize use of their written material).

Bohemian Gal (talk) 06:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect Redirect

Since you won't allow my article, how's about changing the INCORRECT redirect that says "church of the creator" is the creativity movement. IT'S NOT, and the Supreme Court has ruled that the white supremacist group may not use the name Church of the Creator in any form.

This page: https://en.wikipedia.org/Creativity_(religion) is NOT AFFILIATED WITH the Church of the Creator, but this is the page you get when you type in that search phrase.

If you guys would do that, the article wouldn't be necessary. I was simply doing what I told to do back in January to get this egregious error corrected.

Bohemian Gal (talk) 06:27, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

A second incorrect redirect

This page also needs to be corrected, as Church of the Creator is NOT AFFILIATED WITH the Creativity Movement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Church_of_the_Creator&redirect=no

Please make sure this is fixed, along with the other page -- it's the very least you guys can do.

Thank you.

Bohemian Gal (talk) 06:48, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Redirect still exists

When I type in "church of the creator" it takes me here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Creativity_(religion)

That's the problem -- ^^THIS is not Church of the Creator.

Bohemian Gal (talk) 07:09, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

"Edit War"

One more question, and then I'm done - I promise. Why is it a "war" when I don't talk with someone before reinstating an article that I spent a lot of time writing, but it's not "war" when someone deletes that article without, apparently, even reading it or providing an explanation? (Not your deletion, but the original one.)

Seriously -- if you folks are going to delete things, you should give the courtesy of an explanation to the author beforehand (or, at least, as soon as it's done). Simply wiping out someone's hard work is pretty "war-like", IMHO. If you want to encourage people to contribute, that's not the way to do it.

Bohemian Gal (talk) 07:30, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the exemption. :) The previous editor explained in his edit-summary that the article was not notable. So that was the explanation for the original deletion. Normally if something is deemed non-notable it gets swiftly deleted. But I can also see it from your point of view. Deleting someone's contributions, even for a valid reason, is not pleasant and can seem like a type of "war", but this being an encyclopedia, it is a necessary type of action, otherwise this place would be filled with articles of non-existing notability. Δρ.Κ.  07:50, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Received a warning from you for an 'edit war'

What to do when my sourced additions are removed, without a reply to my discussion on the talk page? --Behzat (talk) 21:17, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit-warring is not the answer, especially when your edits are controversial and in a controversial topic under Arbcom sanctions. You should wait for someone to reply or take this to WP:DRN. Δρ.Κ.  21:21, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. There is a lot of knowledge I and fellow scholars have on this matter. Our edits CONSTANTLY get removed though, and unsourced and even worse, badly sourced information that is clearly non-sense is permitted to stay. When I had removed unsourced information the edit was reverted anyways. It seems like a different perspective than a certain one, or evidence that would indicate so, is not permitted. We have direct evidence from the Ottoman archives, as well as the French and British archives. Unfortunately the Armenian archives are not open for research, even though I personally don't speak Armenian anyways. The level of propaganda in the Armenian Genocide articles is simply too much. The fact that I defined the view as the Dasnak's view is just the other side of the spectrum of "scholarship", I know damn well the truth is somewhere in between. My apologies for that. --Behzat (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Just wanted to thank you for your effort to keep the article of Northern Cyprus clean and spotting violations that failed my eyes, and apologies for re-inserting the copyrighted material. If my rudimentary Greek is working, ευχαριστώ και ευχές για χαρά! --GGT (talk) 23:51, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't mention it GGT. It was not your fault. The text was inserted at some time by someone else and it was hard to spot due to misdirection of sources. Thank you for your kind words and for improving the article. Your Greek is not that bad btw. :) Saygılarımla ve Yeni Yılınız Kutlu Olsun! Δρ.Κ.  00:58, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Potential Sockpuppets

Can you check "Lkgokpk34" and "Parabellum 999"? Thanks Doc.--TerryAlex (talk) 01:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

All taken care of by Materialscientist. Thank you for letting me know TerryAlex. Δρ.Κ.  01:39, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Feels like that editor is back "UZI does it", "Colt Python does it" and "Anasapananas"--TerryAlex (talk) 00:00, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

MS has taken care of it :)--TerryAlex (talk) 00:03, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

I was responding and we had an edit-conflict. MS is really fast. :) Btw, Anasapananas doesn't fit the obvious profile as yet. Δρ.Κ.  00:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, I found you a good book to read. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

• Gosh. I think I have enough K-pop drama on wiki to need any book supplements. :) Δρ.Κ.  03:33, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring

What to do when this happens? https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kwon_Yuri&diff=640450992&oldid=640448649. Thanks Doc.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:45, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Random86 has given the 3RRR warning at :11 past the hour. Therefore the sock needs one more revert to qualify for his 3RRN report. I'll watch for the fourth revert and then I will file the report. I would have opened the SPI but I don't have all the information I need yet. So the resolution will be via a 3RRN-induced block. Thank you for letting me know and Happy New Year to you! Take care TerryAlex. P.S. if anything comes up, don't hesitate to let me know. It may be New Year's Day/Eve but computers haven't disappeared. ;) Δρ.Κ.  03:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Doc, happy New Year to you too. It's still NY's Eve for me. I'm still learning how to do things properly, so don't hesitate to let me know if I happen to do something wrong.:) --TerryAlex (talk) 03:17, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much TerryAlex. Btw, you are doing a remarkable job. But in the unlikely case I see anything I'll let you know. :) Δρ.Κ.  03:22, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

I noticed this editor "Kely123" is currently doing edit warring as well.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Terry. I saw that. This has to go through 3RRN at this time. Perhaps we can wait for one more revert. Δρ.Κ.  18:35, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Dr.K, this user "Anasapananas" kept on reverting, please keep a watch of him/her for me. I also happened to stumble upon another user "Aquamaraqua" (he/she has been reverting as well) and his/her reply on Shinyang-i's talk page. I try to avoid getting into an argument with other users. But how do you make the best "civil" reply when users make comments like that? Thanks Doc. :)--TerryAlex (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Shinyang-i and Random86, Dr.K., I saw what happened with Shinee (and obviously Shinyang's talk page), should I actually try to explain further, or should I just ignore it. There is so much resistance. From your experience, what is the best approach when we are being "accused"? I feel like explanation will continue to be resisted no matter what, and some would even accuse us of playing favoritism (even though that has never been the goal at all). I honestly don't mind being "hated", but just want to hear from an experienced editor like you. Thanks Doc.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh dear, I'm afraid to look at Shinee. When it comes to explaining things, many times there is very little point because when people are fueled by emotion they are often actually unable to accept even solid facts right in front of them. By that I mean their brain chemistry is keeping them from doing so. (This info is from my profession.) In a case like this that doesn't deal with solid facts, it's even harder. They are taking it all personally, as an assault on something they love; they actually believe not being able to list every group that even Koreans have never heard of will cause them real emotional pain. It's a contest. I could go on but you get the idea. I have no idea what to do about it. Shinyang-i (talk) 00:44, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

It seems you've decided to call it quits, which is unfortunate. I wish I had some profound advice to give, but I don't. Alakzi (talk) 14:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Dr.K.!

Dr.K.,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. --L235 (talk) Ping when replying 06:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much L235. Happy New Year to you too! Cheers. :) Δρ.Κ.  06:10, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Les Mots bleus (album)

On 1 January 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Les Mots bleus (album), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Billboard magazine called Christophe's 1974 album Les Mots bleus "outstanding"? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Peace

starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! — is wishing you a Happy New Year! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the New Year cheer by adding {{subst:New Year 1}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Hi Starship. Nice to see you here. :) Thank you for your nice message and Happy New Year to you too. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  20:25, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• Cheers :) starship.paint ~ ¡Olé! 01:03, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy new year !

Happy new year to you too Dr.K . Hope this year will be great for you . Regards , Gjirokastra15 (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Likewise. Thank you very much Gjiro. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  04:20, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

How to tag a page?

Hello Dr.K., I'm writing you concerning the page The Fearless Vampire Killers. The page contents are mostly pulled from two review sites. I noted this on the Talk page, but still the page gets added to.

I don't know how to tag the page so a bot or Editor can look at the page and flag the sections for re-editing. Many thanks, --Mikepellerin 06:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

On it Mike. Checking. I'll let you know soon. Δρ.Κ.  06:31, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I think I cleaned it up. Thank you for letting me know Mike. Happy 2015 btw. :) Δρ.Κ.  07:42, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi

I hope you had a great Christmas and a Happy new year! Please take a look at the articles Carolina Neurath and Karolina Olsson that I have created. When you find time for it! Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying BabbaQ. I'll take a look. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  19:00, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Another sock?

What is your opinion of user:Binvoiler? One edit only, and it's to accuse someone of being racist. They are mad at an anon IP but somehow someone brought my name into it. Geesh, these people are weird. I think all the Got7 pages and now Shinee need protection; this is so absurd and unproductive. :( Shinyang-i (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

I saw the sock, but I don't think s/he was referring to you. As far as I saw, they were responding to the IP edit. You are doing an excellent job, but you should be prepared for backlash of this type from edit-warring socks and IPs. The amount of edit-warring and socking in this area has actually improved over the past few years, but it still is rather high. For protection, if this gets any worse, a request at RFPP may be the way to go. Many K-pop pages are already protected and admins at RFPP are very responsive about providing protection to K-pop articles, more so than they were in the past. The profile of this area has been raised considerably over the past few years and admin response, always good to start with, has now become excellent, so not everything is bad. :) Δρ.Κ.  01:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the background. It's good to know what kind of support is available behind the scenes. . Shinyang-i (talk) 04:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it may seem at first glance that there is only haphazard protection of articles but actually there are many admins behind the scenes who help out, so thankfully, we are not alone. In any case, I also reported the last troll. It is best to just ignore, revert and report them any time they appear. Δρ.Κ.  05:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again. I had the edit summaries and the user name removed because people just shouldn't have to look at that. By the way, do you know any other places to turn for getting comments from editors on reliable sources/establishing notability? The discussion at the wp:korea/popular culture is going nowhere and and some users are actually getting less logical the longer the discussion continues. They want to throw out all rules because kpop is ~*~special~*~. Or something. It takes all types, I guess. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Good job on erasing the troll. Next step, you should go to WP:RSN. I don't think any of the editors who advocate using these weak sources can defend any of that stuff there. Δρ.Κ.  06:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

The Beatles Invite

Hi! I've seen you around on The Beatles' articles... Would you consider becoming a member of WikiProject The Beatles, a WikiProject which aims to expand and improve coverage of The Beatles on Misplaced Pages? Please feel free to join us.

Abbey Road... You're not in this picture... yet! Todo list: To-do list for User:Dr.K.: A list of articles needing cleanup associated with this project is available. See also the tool's wiki page and the index of WikiProjects. Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : Articles on each Beatle tour (Category:The Beatles concert tours). See: Missing articles. Expand : The Lost Lennon Tapes, notable radio series which has spawned many bootlegs. Apple Records See also: Adopt an article Stubs : See: Category:The Beatles song stubs Update : Pics/Graphics wanted: Kenwood. Verify : Beatle wives Other : Project: Add {{WikiProject The Beatles}} to the talk pages of all Beatles-related articles. Send a newsletter to members, canvas for new members and coordinate tasks. Enter articles assessed as stubs onto this list, also list articles needing cleanup and other work here. If you complete one of these tasks, please remove it from the list and add your achievement to the project log.

In response to your thanks. Your welcome, and could you please help me with the article Lord Upminster. There may be a barnstar in it for ya!. All the best Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 14:23, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much Joe for your kind invitation. Although I'm not expert on music articles, I'll take a look and see if there is anything I can help with. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  18:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Copyright issues

Thanks for writing on Jain Sculpture, every version of that page is violating copyright and also the current one. See User talk:Diannaa#Copyright issues. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

No need of this page anyway, we have Jain Temple. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Blades. I have no position on the article's viability. I'm just removing the copyvios after I saw your comment on Dianna's talk. Δρ.Κ.  05:15, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I cleaned it up. Now you can safely delete it if you think it qualifies. Δρ.Κ.  05:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Enough is enough @bladesmulti, you are completely biased (nominating pages on Jainism for deletion). I am trying to explain you but you don't want to understand. Jain Temple & Jain Sculpture are two different things. Leave it as you are not an expert, let an admin who is part of WikiProject Jainism decide. Jain Sculptures are found at various places in Tamil Nadu (at more than 480 sites, but they are not temple)

Thanks Dr.K. for making me understand the copyright thing. I am a beginner and didn't knew this. Thanks for cleaning up the article. But can you tell that if a news is published relating to any wikipedia article, how should I add it to the article?. Like this news- http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/metamorphosis-of-a-mahavira-image/article1866338.ece, how should I add this to article Jain Sculpture. And in this news report, a scholar's comments are there, can I add them as it is?talk 13:00, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@ProudJain: Thank you ProudJain for understanding my message. When you add details from a source you must use your own words. To do that, try to imagine what the main idea of the information is and, without looking at the source, put it in your own words, always trying to avoid copying the sentence structure, syntax and grammar of the source. As far as quoting people you can do that as long as you put quotation marks to indicate their words and you should also try to keep quotations to a minimum. I hope this helps. All the best. Δρ.Κ.  21:28, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

50 DYK medal

		The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		You're more than entitled to this medal! This is to acknowledge your 50 (and counting!) contributions to DYK on the subjects of literature, film, culture, sports, and many other interesting topics. Keep up the good work! Yoninah (talk) 11:17, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much Yoninah for your kind gesture and encouragement. Coming from you, a DYK regular and an editor I greatly respect, it is an honour and a very welcome surprise. Take care. Δρ.Κ.  11:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Razzies

I'm not sure why you reverted my razzies edits? It is an award. Can tell me why you reverted them. (Atomic Meltdown (talk) 23:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC))

It's a rather long story. But check this discussion. Δρ.Κ.  23:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

January 2015

First, I'm far from a new editor; Second, condescension is Uncivil; Third, don't template me for something you have engaged in and initiated yourself, disregarding existing Talk page discussion, and Misplaced Pages guidelines.--Lapadite (talk) 07:20, 16 January 2015 (UTC)