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Can you oversee the Erzurum page to block Khoikhoi's disruption and his asswipe Shelly Kinney's cover up for it? Thanks'

Recent page moves

Please do not make unilateral page moves, as you did to Patriarch of Constantinople. Something like that will require consensus. I therefore reccomend that you go to WP:RM and follow the procedure there. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 00:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If u take a look in Etymology of Istanbul u will see that this is not the city's name in all languages in the world. And in the case of Greek language and Greek people, the name 'Istanbul' was not, is not and (i guess) will never be in use... As for the sports clubs, they both were founded when even the official name of that city was not Istanbul (id est prior to 1930). as for the Ecumenical Patriarch, his title is '... of Constantinople, New Rome,...' there is no 'New Rome' either, but u cannot change a title just cause u do not like it... Apropos, the Ecumenical Patriarch has been officially using this title for almost 1,5 millenium, u cannot ask to use a name for the Ecumenical Patriarch, which is official for less than a century (and in use for less than half a millenium)... In addition, noone calls him 'Ecumenical Patriarch of Istanbul' in the world... maybe only Turkey, but they delete the 'Ecumenical' thing... Anyway, just leave the article as it is, cause u are attempting to introduce a title that noone accepts, noone uses and noone recognises... U said: This is an onesided and improper attempt to change the name of a Turkish city. it's not... It happened quite the opposite some decades ago... it was also a turkish city that time, but Kemal did not like the name Kostantiniyye. Regards Hectorian 15:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Heybeli Ada/Chalki

(Also posted to User talk:Hectorian and WP:RM) A total confusion emerged over Chalki and Heybeli Ada created, I guess, by you. I (ultimately) fixed it, including single and double redirects, except that Chalki and Chalki (Greek island) are now forks; the latter should be redirected. I don't hold any position on correct naming, except that (obviously) Heybeli Ada and Chalki are distinct islands, first in Marmara sea and second in Dodecanese, so I moved them to those respective articles. Please check what you're doing in the future. RegardsDuja 12:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Pontus Rum "soykırımı"

Merhaba, Mustafa. Do not blank articles like you did to Pontian Greek Genocide. I admit the article is extremely biased, but don't blank it, that is vandalism. If you think it's biased, why don’t you try rewriting it to make it more neutral - see the article's talk page as well. --Telex 16:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Foreign names

Hi, if you look at earlier discussions, I'm always very much in favour of including foreign placenames on the slightest pretext of relevance. In the case of Thessaloniki, we definitely should have the name "Selanik". But: We already do! It's there, just two sentences further down in the text, together with the others. (In the city article, that is, I'm not talking about the prefecture article. The prefecture as such has no special relevance for Turks.) What I'm opposing is the obsessive desire to see particular foreign placenames in the very first sentence, right after the main name, in cases where other solutions work just as well. Regards, Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm reverting your most recent changes to the Istanbul articles. Moving that name from the one page into the other really makes no sense in that case. Please be more careful getting consensus for such changes in future. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Lutfen Turkçe/Yunanca isimleri ekleyip/çikarmadan once o makalenin talk sayfasina bakiniz, bu konuda kesinlikle bir tartisma olmustur.. It is obvious that Istanbul is Turkish, having the Greek one doesn't make it any less. In any case please seek concensus in the talk page before doing such edits.. As an encyclopedia Misplaced Pages has to be inclusive.. On the other hand please add the Turkish name to the Thessaloniki article.. If Istanbul article has the Greek name, Thessaloniki should have the Turkish one right? :)) Kolay gelsin... Baristarim 17:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Also please review WP:3RR. —Khoikhoi 17:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You can have a look at Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions and Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) to familiarize yourself with the general guidelines of Misplaced Pages.. Cheers! Baristarim 17:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Ben de ilk geldigim zaman bazi konularda boyle dusunmustum.. :)) Ben de bazi makalelerde, ozellikle Rum soykirimi gibi, çok rahatsiz oluyorum.. epey bir yardima ihtiyacimiz oldugu kesin, son zamanlarda ben ve baska bir Turk kullanici o makalede degisiklik yapmaya calisiyoruz, ama ne yazik ki kolay degil :)) tabi ki her iki tarafin da asiriligina dur dememiz gerekiyor, ne yazik ki Misplaced Pages'nin kendi kurallari içinde hareket etmemiz ve herseyi sabirla yavas yavas yapmamiz lazim, yani concensus, it could be hard but it is very rewarding.. Misplaced Pages onemli bir proje.. Her neyse Misplaced Pages'ya hosgeldin diyeyim!! Baristarim 17:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Selanik

Good.. I will also revert any attempts to remove it.. Baristarim 18:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Ok, no problems.. Just let me know with any info that you have.. But let me warn you, :)), the tension in that article is extreme to the maximum.. It can take days just to change a sentence sadly.. It is sad because it stops a healthy debate taking place... Sabir.. :) Don't get discouraged at times when the debate seems blocked, because Misplaced Pages is a site that gets billions of hits everyday.. Yep that's right.. And also try not to get drawn too much into negative arguments, also have a look at non-controversial articles and try to improve them from time to time... Bana da oldugu için biliyorum, tartismaktan baska birsey yapamadigim seyler oldu.. :) Watchlist'ini de istedigin makalelerdeki en son degisiklikleri gormek için kullan.. Boylece bir makaleye vandalism oldugu zaman onu daha çabuk gorme firsatin olur. Ataturk ve Turkiye makalelerine her gun birileri aptalca sey yazarlar 'he was an idiot', 'they eat turkeys' vs gibi.. Ne yazik ki isimiz kolay degil :))Baristarim 18:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Seljuk

It is a photo of the site of the Temple of Artemis, as the caption makes clear. Thanks for telling me the names of the buildings in the background. Adam 10:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

My humble opinion

I have the impression that you will try to headdive into the most contentious issues right off the bat.. Bunu tavsiye etmem, inan bana o kadar tartismanin oldugu makalelerde degisiklikler çok uzun sure surebilir ve de yeni katilanlarin seslerini duyurmasi çok zor olabilir.. Bence ilk once yapilmasi gereken Turkiye ile ilgili makaleleri genel olarak iyilestirmeye çalismak, mesela Yunanlilarin nasil çalistigini biliyormusun? .. :)) Just an advice.. There are many other articles about Turkey that could be created or expanded.. But it is your choice.. Cheers!Baristarim 23:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

There was already such an intiative that, sadly, failed .. On the other hand, I would have no problem if it were revived.. Ama genelde de-facto bir kooperasyon var, su bakimda, zamanla kullanicilar birbirini tanidiklari için genel bir concensus olusuyor.. Ama yine de formel bir komisyon olmasi daha iyi ve daha verimli olur... Baristarim 14:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming Conventions

If you bother to take a look at the etymology page of Istanbul, you ll see the Greek name. If there had been a big Greek population in Istanbul, it would be logical to have it in Istanbul article. But, there are less than 2000 Greeks in Istanbul. What is your reason to have the Greek name in the first sentence of the Istanbul article? Osmanaral 02:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

TRWT

Ok, no problems.. Daha ilk defa bu cumhuriyetin ismini duydum, demek ki aslinda kendi tarihimizi ne kadar az biliyoruz bazen :) Baristarim 17:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Republic of Western Thrace

Mustafa, i do not disagree with u. in fact, i am saying the same thing: insert all the material from "Gumuljine Republic" to "Turkish Republic of Western Thrace", and then propose "Gumuljine Republic" for speedy deletion, since there is no reason to have it. i editted the 'merge proposal', not, in fact, to discuss about it, but to draw attention that we now have 2 articles about the same subject, with one of them being titled under a dummy/artificial name (as u correctly said). i will not place any remark again, just remember to ask for its deletion after u are down with the info transfer. and pls, do not say assuming that you will ve judicious, cause it sounded as if i am trying to do something bad there! Selam and Γεια. Hectorian 17:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Tamam Mustafa, no problem:). misunderstanding always happen. i do not know if we should keep "Gumuljine Republic" as a redirect to this article (i honestly never heard the term, but if u think it is good, fine by me). as for deletion or redirect, i am not sure how we can do this. if i am not wrong, only admins can delete an article. Selam Hectorian 17:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mustafa, I noticed your talk with Hectorian. I see your signature is unlinked. If that was not done on purpose, then feel free to pay a visit to my Signature shop, so that I can make a cool signature for you. Salam! •NikoSilver• 19:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re:Convention on naming Turkish-Greek places

Sounds a good idea. and perhaps it is one of the few ways we have to solve this issue if not once for all, at least for a long time. I will have to think about it for a while, but i do find the proposal rather interesting:). btw, i tried to redirect "Gumuljine Republic", but i didn't make it... Selam Hectorian 19:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Things to be discussed

Selam Mustafa, I agree as well. As for Samsun, I've removed it, as it's not really necessary anyways. As for "Turkish spoken countries", I removed the page not only because the page didn't exist, but because I don't think such an article should be created. Any of this information (which countries have Turkish-speakers) can already be found in the Turkish language article. This would also led to people creating related articles about every single language, and I think it's redundant info. As for the Turkish-Greek places, what specific articles do you object to having the Greek/Armenian/Kurdish name? Kolay gelsin. :-) —Khoikhoi 20:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Selam

Ozur dilerim, epeydir mesgulum o yuzden cevap yazamadim.. umarim hersey yolundadir.. TR Western Thrace'i gordum, diger Gumulcine Cumhuriyeti makalesinin ona aktarilmasi gerekiyor zannedersem (merge falan filan denince biraz kafam karisti da :))).. Ama iyi isi yapmissin, dedigim gibi ben de bu ulkeyi daha yeni duyuyorum.. :)) Turkçe/Yunanca isimler komisyonu için seninle ayni fikirdeyim, diger baska bazi Yunanlilara da bildirmissin, iyi olmus, onlar da bu konuyu dusunsunler ki su soruna bir çozum bulalim.. Ben de Turk anayasalarini inceleyip onlari aktarmakla mesgulum, su ana kadar Turk Anayasasi Constitution of Turkeyi yeniden yazip Turkish Constitution of 1921i yazdim.. Insan yoruluyor ama ne yapalim.. Umarim WikiProjectTurkey'i de biraz daha aktif hale getirebiliriz.. Eger herhangi bir konuda yardim edebilecegim bir sey varsa elimden geleni yaparim.. Gozlemledigim kadari ile ilk basta izleme ondan sonra yapici sorun çozme bulmaya çalisma metodunu seçmissin, that's good! Ben de ilk geldigimde epey basim agriyacak gibi oldu, ama ilk once ortami ogrenmek en iyisi, yoksa valla adamin akil sagligini bozabilir burasi, edit savaslari vs :))).. Kolay gelsin! Baristarim 02:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Ayrica yerinde olsam user:mitsos ciddiye almazdim, kendisi, kendi itirafiyla ve user sayfasinda yer alan bilgilere gore, beyaz ve Yunan irkçisidir.. Sayfasi irkçi yazi ve templatelarla dolu, bir ara zamanin olursa bak.. Kendi soylemiyle Wiki'ye katilmasinin tek nedeni Yunanlilari yuceltmek ve Turkleri kuçuk gostermek.. Yani arada bir bu tiplerle de ugrasmak zorunda kalabiliyoruz :)) Baristarim 07:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Seljuq_dynasty

Iki tane iranli durmadan bu sayfayi karistirip Selcuklular Turk degil Iranliydi, Turkçe degil Iranca konusuyorlardi babinda laflar ekliyorlar, bu yuzden sayfa protected oldu, bir tek bazi yabanci tarihçiler onlari onlemeye calisyorlar ne yazik ki hiç Turk yok.. Ben de daha yeni goruyorum.. Talk page'i feci POV dolu.. Sayfa biraz ilgiye ihtiyaç duyabilir.. POV pushing, eh? Read this even non-Turkish historians had enough!! Baristarim 02:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Bilmukabele

Ünlü Batı Trakya Türklerini araştırıyorum Mustafa bey. Ünlü evlatlar önemli buradaki gibi contextlerde. Başka türlü bakmaya başlıyorlar. I already added Şerif Gören among Turks of Western Thrace. And then they try to steal them, as it happened to me on Cretan Turks page, and one has to fight:) Anyway, aklınıza gelen Batı Trakyalı Türk varsa, bana haber vermekten veya eklemekten çekinmeyin. Gerekirse maddesi de hazırlanır. Cretanforever

Te, nun, vav görüyorum ama okuyamadım Mustafa bey. Misplaced Pages'da dolaşan resimler 1910'ların 1920'lerin ilerisine gidemedi bir türlü:) Konu nedir? Cretanforever

Pan-Turkism

Hi Mustafa Akalp. I have answered to most of your comments on Talk:Pan-Turkism. As for 'Megali Idea' and 'Enosis', see how articles similar to 'Pan-Turkism' are treated in the 'See also' sections: Pan-Slavism, Pan-Celticism, etc. If Pan-Turkism refered only to Turkish people, then we can add 'Megali Idea' as well, but since it talks about the Turkic peoples, it is found in a multi-country sphaere, just like the Celts and the Slavs. Regards Hectorian 18:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Excuse moi? what was that? Hectorian 18:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

3RR

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Tekleni 17:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Tag

My mistake Aristovoul0s 08:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop spreading your propaganda

and cite your references Aristovoul0s 14:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Signature

Can I see your current signature? I saw that you visited NikoSilver and got a signature made for you, but I am not sure whether you are using it. Please tell me! •Sean•gorter• 10:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I reply to your message on my talk page. •Sean•gorter• 05:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Hey I saw about the 3RR, dont forget that someone can only break 3RR on the fourth revert in 24hours :)).. Hala cevap veremedigim için ozur dilerim, bildigin gibi birçok yerde ugrasip duruyoruz :). Birçok makaleyi notr ve daha ciddi yapmaya çalisiyorum.. Mesela Human rights in Turkey.. Arabistanda insan haklari basligi atilsa daha dogru olur yani, o kadar dagitmislar ortaligi :)) Her neyse, diger konular için en kisa surede yazmaya çalisacagim.. kolay gelsin.. Baristarim 19:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

evet, selçuklular, timur, babur iranliydi diye devamli makalelere saldiran bir iranli ve bir afgani bloke ettirdigim için biliyorum :)) 24 saat için de dort kere revert olmasi gerekiyor.. ayni iranliyi ayni sebepten turkic peoples makalesinde ayni sorunu yasadi iki gun ceza yedi :).. Dikkat etmeye çalisiyorum, ama o kadar fazla yerde ugrasmamiz gerekiyor ki.. Hem makale yaz, hem eski makaleleri notrlestir, hem de vandalismlerle savas, valla timarhane gibi bura :)) Ama burayi kaynak olarak kullanan dunyada o kadar insan var ki, birilerinin elini tasin altina sokmamiz lazim.. zaten basimiza ne geldiyse hep bana dokunmayan yilan bin yasasinciliktan geldi :( Ne yazik ki gunes dili olayina egilmeye firsatim olmadi, diger birkaç makalede ugrasmaktan dolayi, ama bakmaya çalisacagim.. Baristarim 19:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Mustafa, I believe this image is a copyright violation from here. If it is, tell an administrator so that they can delete it. You must never upload images claiming you made them, when in reality you didn't.--Tekleni 16:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged it and listed it for deletion for you. Please also remove it from your userpage as soon as possible. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Please be aware that when you take a copyrighted image and modify it, it still remains copyrighted. You are not allowed to upload such a modified image and tag it as self-made unless you also have the license for the original. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, glad to hear this was an honest misunderstanding and not intentional copyvio. And thanks for your cooperation. :) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Pontian Greek Genocide

You shouldn't be making fake edits to make a point. Just argue it on the talk page. --Awiseman 16:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: TRWT-Rv

Selam Mustafa. to be honest with u, your edit summary seemed so nationalistic, that i urged to revert u . for it seemed too POV. don't turn to nationalism please, no matter the reason:) As a matter of fact, u should not link to "Muslim minority..." article with only with an explanation "Turk..". There is already an article named Turks of Western Thrace, and this covers the Turkish minority. the Muslim minority of Greece is not made up only by Turks, so, u cannot claim all of it. BTW, i did some searching and i found out that the term 'Turkish Republic of Western Thrace' gives no google hits (apart from a comment on a forum!). but 'Republic of Gümülcine' gives more... So, i think we should move the page there. Thoughts? Hectorian 18:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Blanking warning

Please do not replace Misplaced Pages pages with blank content, as you did to Turkish Republic of Western Thrace. It is considered vandalism. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. Aecis 10:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Blanking the article won't help, because it's not possible to move an article to a title that already exists. If you disagree with a redirect, or with the title of an article, discuss it civilly on the talk page. There is never an excuse for blanking. Aecis 10:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support of my RfA, and thank you for understanding my answers to the questions!

Atlant 14:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week now that I've been an administrator and I'd like to take this moment to once again thank everyone who supported my RfA, and to let you all know that I don't think I've screwed anything up yet so I hope I'm living up to everyone's expectations for me. But if I ever fall short of those expectations, I'd certainly welcome folks telling me about it!

Atlant 14:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: Annan Plan for Cyprus

See m:The Wrong Version. -- Steel 18:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:N CYPRUS

When you moved this template, you broke all the pages that used it. If you are going to move a flag-and-country-name template, please use an all-caps highly abbreviated name, which is the standard convention for these flag-and-country-name templates, and then change all references to it in other pages to refer directly to the new name. Perhaps Template:TRNC might be a good compromise name for this? -- The Anome 10:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I see now that you were trying to repair a previous move. I've now copied the template text back to Template:TRNC, and also left it in place at Template:N CYPRUS. I suggest you change the links in all the pages that link to Template:N CYPRUS back to use TNRC, but that, after doing that, you leave Template:N CYPRUS as-is, so we don't get into an unnecessary edit war about template names. -- The Anome 10:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Your problem

I would suggest you post your problem to the Administrators' Noticeboard to give it a wider audience, but I will of course try to help if you can give me some more details. Yomangani 13:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW

Selam, I saw your post here, and I'd like to apologize for the rude comments. It was due to frustration from what seems like endless edit wars (believe it or not, I don't like edit wars...). Your accusing me vandalism and promoting radical-national views etc didn't help either. Now can we please work together to make the articles neutral... Thanks.--Tekleni 14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Tamam. Mamafih, Türkçeyi çok iyi konuşmuyorum. Belki birkaç gün için Türk sayfaları çok değiştirmiyeceğim, ama söz vermiyorum ;-) --Tekleni 16:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Imbros

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, and thanks for adding material on what Imbros is now, as opposed to the dreary ethnic controversy.

Some comments, which I hope will be helpful:

• Please don't add too many headers; we only need headers to divide actual text. Write the section on the economy, for example, and add headers in that edit.
• Please do use English for the Dardanelles, for example; what you write is intended to be read by English-speakers.
• What festival of the Virgin is on August 30? The Assumption of the Virgin was on August 28, by the unreformed Greek calendar; but that would be the 15th by modern calendars.
• Please don't advertise. In particular, unless your friends would be notable in a world-wide encyclopedia, take them out again.
• Are you sure you meant that Zeytinli köyü used to be Aghios Theodorios, not Theodoros?
• When you wrote "sany beach", did you mean "sandy"?

Your English is infinitely better than my Turkish; these are fine points. Septentrionalis 18:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Imbros

I made some corrections, wikification, grammar and rewording. There is no ongoing discussion in the talk page, so, i did not write anything about these, anyway minor, corrections of mine there. Regards Hectorian 22:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Gökçeada

Hey man, the article looks great. I'll make some spelling corrections if I see them. Hoşçakal! —Khoikhoi 02:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Gelibolu

Hi again. It looks like you're trying to move one or more pages (Gelibolu and Gallipoli). However, please stop doing that this way - the new name of the page might be good, but Misplaced Pages has another procedure for moving pages. Look at Help:Renaming (moving) a page: you need to use the move tab, and not cut and paste. Cut and paste moves don't take the edit history with them and thus violate the GDFL copyright terms. Also, in some cases, when the move might be controversial, you might first want to discuss the move on the article's talk page. If a move is not possible because a page with the new name already exists, go to Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. Thanks! —Khoikhoi 04:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Mustafa, I don't disagree with you, but I'm trying to explain to you that you can't move pages my copying & pasting the contents. It destroys the edit history, something that is necessary in all Misplaced Pages articles. You have to ask an admin to perform the move for you, or go to WP:RM. —Khoikhoi 04:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's what I recommend:

1. You ask an admin to move Gallipoli to Gelibolu for you (if you feel the move would be controversial, go to WP:RM). Please note that currently the Gallipoli article is about the town.
2. You turn Gallipoli into a disambiguation page, linking to both Gelibolu Town and the Gallipoli Peninsula/Gelibolu Peninsula.

How does that sound? —Khoikhoi 04:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Even if most of the article was about the peninsula, the intro started by stating that "Gallipoli is a town in northeastern Turkey". Secondly, please see the edit history of the Gelibolu article, and compare to the edit history of the Gallipoli article. See the difference? We need to have the full edit history to whatever page you want to move, that's why you have to go to an admin.

As for the images, if they are already on the Wikimedia Commons, you can just link them here. If they are not, you need to re-upload them here. Regards. —Khoikhoi 04:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

_{Mustafa Akalp} 07:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's the question, what is the most common meaning of "Gallipoli" in English? If the most common meaning is the town, it should redirect to a page about Gallipoli town. However, if you think the town and peninsula are equally common, Gallipoli should become a disambiguation page. You can add the list you told me to Gallipoli (disambiguation). I'm not sure about the correct spellings, try asking Hectorian. —Khoikhoi 19:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:DRA

Mustafa (Kemal Atatürk?), I have changed the statement from "At this point the Turkish Revolutionaries began fighting the Armenians. The justification of which was that the Armenians across the border were performing 'crimes' against the Turkish population." to "At this point, Turkish Revolutionaries under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk claimed that the Turks across the border were being mistreated and oppressed by the Armenians. This eventually led to the Turkish-Armenian War." How's that? Best, Clevelander 13:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Sig

u using the sig I gave u? •Sean•gorter• 07:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Eid ul Fitr

Hey.

Please see my reply on Eid ul Fitr talk page. I am not sure I understand what you mean. Kolay gelsin. Bertilvidet 09:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: States

You do have a point (on the double standards). I was pointing to the NGOs recognizing the Pontus (and I think they also recognize the Assyrian) genocide(s). However, the article other alleged genocides denied by the Turkish government are the Pontian Greek Genocide and the Assyrian Genocide. In other words, the article does not say that these genocides did happen. It is saying that some people claim that these genocides happened and Turkish government says they did not.--Tekleni 18:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

See wiktionary:denial: an assertion of untruth. The word 'denial' does not imply it did happen. It means that the TR government says it did not.--Tekleni 19:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Imbros

Of course i knew where Bartholomew was born! i know that since 1991... Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople was moved (by me) half a month ago... And Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople was moved (not by me) long ago... I know that u contribute in perspective articles, and i have to say that i was surprised, in a good way:). Allow me to say that calling this action of mine "nationalistic" is simply funny... I am calling him as the whole world does! I will have to ask u to to reasonable: i know the Turkish state's position on this matter, but this is an english wikipedia. In addition, do not forget that u had moved the article to "Patriarch of Istanbul", something that i fail even to explain... Regards Hectorian 19:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Current with a history of more than 1.5 millenium... I would suggest u to read the respective articles for more info. As i said, i can present sources from all around the world for this title, so, there is no possibility for the Turkish government's POV to be presented in wiki articles as fact. however, u can create a section, explaining the turkish position, if u wish to. Regards Hectorian 19:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA thanks

Hi, Makalp! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Misplaced Pages a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 16:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Misplaced Pages:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 22:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Mert yucel

I'm posting this message here because you're listed as a native speaker of Turkish on Babel. The above article about a Turkish musician has been listed for deletion under PROD, because the assertions of notability within it are not sourced. The "Press" section of this page contains many media sources, but all are apparently in Turkish. If it's not too much trouble, could you have a look at them and see whether any could be used to reinforce the article? Thanks! -Hit bull, win steak 13:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Campaigning against User:Khoikhoi's RfA

Please stop contacting other users regarding this RfA. Campaigning for (or in this instance) against an RfA in this way is disruptive and corrupts Misplaced Pages's process. However strongly you feel about a particular candidate you may not drum up likely support or oppose contributors ij this way. If you do not stop I will be forced to block you to stop you. Thanks, Gwernol 12:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm afraid any campaigning on behalf of a candidate's RfA is a problem because you selected the group of people you emailed, and you have sent them a message voicing your opinion of the candidate. This automatically biases the vote and is not acceptable on Misplaced Pages. If you have allegations to make, then bring them to the appropriate forum. RfA is not the correct place to bring these allegations. Raise them at the administrators' noticeboard.

Regarding the specific allegations, you have presented no evidence that Khoikhoi is orchestrating other user by email. This is an extremely serious allegation and if proved would likely result in Khoikhoi being blocked for an extended period of time or even banned. On the othyer hand if you have no evidence to support this allegation, then making it is a form of harassment and will not be tolerated. Please present your evidence to the admin noticeboard immediately. Thanks, Gwernol 12:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Temporary block

You have been blocked temporarily for disruption.

Your contributions history shows that you have been aggressively cross-posting in order to influence RfA voting. Although the Arbitration Committee has ruled that "he occasional light use of cross-posting to talk pages is part of Misplaced Pages's common practice", such cross-posting should adhere to specific guidelines found in Misplaced Pages:Spam. In the past, aggressively worded cross-posting has contributed towards an Arbitration Committee ruling of disruptive behavior that resulted in blocking. It is best not to game the system, and instead respect Misplaced Pages's principle of consensus-building, by ceasing to further crosspost, and instead allowing the process to reflect the opinions of editors that were already actively involved in the matter at hand. Thank you. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 15:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

I've been looking at this since you asked me last week, and although I see some users using superiority of numbers to revert your edits I can't see any conclusive evidence that a)this is an orchestrated effort or b)it is anything other than a disagreement over facts. These disagreements should be discussed on the talk pages and not subject of an edit war in the article itself. Failing agreement you should request comments or mediation from an outside party. If your block is lifted before the termination of Khokhoi's RFA, I'd ask you to withdraw the accusations against him, as I can see no evidence that he is involved in the edit warring (in fact you have reverted to his versions on occasion). He has reverted versions of the articles, but not as part of any revert rule avoidance campaign as far as I can see, and your accusations that he is the leader of a group orchestrating the campaign by email are at best ill-judged. Cheers, Yomangani 15:43, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

TOOLS

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Mustafa%20Akalp&site=en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Listusers/sysop

MOTL

Is that you, MOTL? WhisperToMe 22:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Sorry, Unfortunately I didn't understand the meaning of MOTL.

Please explain it. I had been blocked allready and I cannot send message to your talk page.Sorry. Regards Mustafa Akalp 07:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Galipoli

Hi Mustafa, I saw your request at WP:RM. The split of the article you requested should not go to WP:RM; it goes normally by cut/paste, and edit history is preserved in the original article anyway (i.e. edit histories can be merged but not split). I started the job, creating a substub about the city at Gelibolu. Take it on from there. Duja 09:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked

I unblocked you per agreement on WP:AN and here. Please note that the consensus also was that vote canvassing is an unacceptable practice. Thus, you might be permanently blocked if you repeat such or similar offense. Actually, Khoikhoi was the one who insisted on unblock most, and I think his words carried special weight; most of the people who know you on Misplaced Pages, including myself, stated that you should be given second chance. Please keep on being constructive, like you did before, but also avoid stating serious allegations that you cannot back up with evidence. Regards. Duja 13:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Mustafa,

As strange as it may sound, Khoikhoi and I were the only users supporting your unblock in the beginning, as you may have noticed. I am glad you're back, and I am sorry that this had to be escalated to extremity. Have a nice editing. Selam. •NikoSilver• 09:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:Kekova

Sorry Mustafa, I looked at them, and they both are definitely commercial. If you want to publish them, write a voice about Kekova on wikitravel.

Hoşça kalın, alex2006 13:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

MOTL

User:MonsterOfTheLake was a friend of mine. He and I got into a fallout on AOL Instant Messenger, and he quit Misplaced Pages after being blocked for a bit for wrongful conduct (blanking his own talk page, etc.) WhisperToMe 00:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You've got some nerve

Please don't underestimate other people's intelligence by asking for an apology. I thought from day 1 that it was a mistake to let you back and your activity is proving me right with each second that goes by. Instead of admitting to a terribly poor contributing behaviour that you'd be willing to improve, you've got the nerve to ask from people to apologise to you. You actually expect editors to invite you back to wikipedia and admit their mistake of getting you banned you in the first place. And as if that wasn't enough, you're actually pursuing people's apologies by leaving them messages in their Talk pages, I'm mean this is just laughable. I just feel sorry about the admins and editors that will have to deal with you again in the near future. Miskin 16:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that you simply forget the whole thing and turn on to editing; proving who was wrong and who was right and who insulted whom usually just makes things worse. Duja 16:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Zeibeks

Merheba Mustafa, what do you think of this as a compromise? All I'm really looking for are sources for both claims. For example, one user claimed they were of Uzbek origin.

It indeed sounds a lot like Robin Hood. Regarding Bakhus: I'm not quite sure. I'll copyedit the article when I have the time. Kolay gelsin, Khoikhoi 07:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, that is indeed interesting. As for Gökçeada, I did a partial revert. What do you think? Khoikhoi 09:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Imbros

Hi Mustafa! Sorry, but i had not noticed that u had changed the grammar of the article, in order to refer only to Imbros and not to both (Imbros and Tenedos)-something that had remained since the time that these two articles were forming a single one. My attention was attracted by some of your edits, tat's why i made a full revert... Anyway... My point is that the Greek names are not 'previous or old', since they are still in use by, at least, the Greeks. as for the citations u have requested for, they are included in the 3 link of the references. i do not know turkish, so i cannot find the original text. maybe u could help on that. Regards Hectorian 14:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid i do not know how to add colours etc to make the table look prettier... Btw, i added the 1927 census with link. can u find the original? even in turkish, it would be good to have it as a link. Regards Hectorian 18:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Murat Reis the Older

Ok, thanks for the tip! I must have gotten a bit carried away and I apologise. I am quite new at stopping vandalism and I'll make sure I have a look at the rule pages. Thanks! Think outside the box 17:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for your support!

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Response

Hi Mustafa,

Large Barge appears to be some vandal/troll. If he continues his behavior he should probably be blocked. Just give him vandalism warnings, and after {{test4}}, you can report him at WP:AIV. As for OTE, thanks for letting me know. The anon who keeps reverting is a banned user called Mywayyy (because he wants to have things his wayyyyy). ;-) I'll protect the page if he doesn't stop. Cheers, Khoikhoi 06:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for speaking up. It is a difficult area. Someone who is unfamiliar with the wiki may not know all the rules, or may mis-speak and say something he does not mean. I think your good advice will help him. Tom Harrison 17:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

A problem

Hey Mustafa, I just noticed we have two articles about the same thing on the Turkish Misplaced Pages: Candaroğulları and Candaroğulları Beyliği. The second one has been around longer. Do you think we should merge the two pages? Khoikhoi 05:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Khoikhoi 02:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Turkey City Template

Mustafa! I agree with you about the flag.

1. I think we should use district for ilçe, and prefecture for kaymakamlık (the administration of ilçe)
2. For districts, municipality (belediye) and prefecture (kaymakamlık) web siteleri diye düşündüm. Governorship (valilik) web site da ilave edilebilir.
3. For belde, municipality of that township (belediye) and the prefecture of the district (kaymakamlık) web siteleri. Mesela, Dalyan için, www.dalyan.bel.tr and www.ortaca.gov.tr. Governorship (valilik) web site yine de ilave edilebilir.
4. For villages, şu anda aklıma birşey gelmiyor.
5. For provinces (il), I say we cite the governorship web site only. We can also look for detailed maps for each province.

Tabii ki beraber çalışırız. Neler yapılabilir diye düşünelim.

There is also sometimes a very strict interpretation of a commercial site sometimes. www.marmaris.org for example, may have had a commercial outset, but it also gives precious information on the city. I think we can think about a solution on that too. Regards.

Cretanforever 10:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I rcvd your message Mustafa. I wrote some notes on the talk page of your templates. I wrote in Turkish to have it easier. After all, its a template page created through your talk page and its on Turkish cities and towns. Bir bakarsan sevinirim. :)

Cretanforever 14:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw the great work Mustafa. I will move them to a page annexed to wikiproject Turkey, such as under names like wikiprojectturkey/MustafaAkalp/WorksheetTurkeyCitiesInfobox etc., to try to gather a larger participation of opinions. One of these days, we should prepare similar Infoboxes for archaeological sites in Turkey too, indicating their locations, the civilization which left traces in that particular site etc. Bakıyorum. Cretanforever 12:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I listed the templates in WikiProject_Turkey/Templates page for discussion. I don't there is a need to have different infoboxes for districts (ilçe) and district center town (ilçe merkezi). And all province capitals are also districts and district centers anyway (merkez ilçe). On the other hand, we may need to differentiate for belde. Let's see if we will have other Turkish users who may have further opinions on the subject. For example, many districts indicate their literacy rate preciously. There are even some who have conducted local researches on linguistic data, such as Biga. But I don't think we need to go that far in an infobox. Regards. Cretanforever 13:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi Mustafa, thanks a lot for your appreciation and strong support to my RFA! Do let me know if I can be of any assistance!! -- Lost 10:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Request of assistance for vandal user behaviour by Khoikhoi

Could the administation and users take an independent look for the following reversal of useful and pertinent contributions at the Mustafa Kemal Ataturk site please? It is very difficult for me not to interpret the revision by Khoikhoi as disrespectful vandalism and disruptive behaviour. More I studied his log history at various article related to the Turkish subjects and prior bans for the same disruptive behaviour, more concerned I became. Could someone help revert the edits he damaged and request him to be more respectful to others' work? Thank you.

(cur) (last) 16:06, 10 November 2006 Khoikhoi (Talk | contribs) (rv to last version by me) (what last revision? this is a whole sale deletion and vandalism, is it not?) (cur) (last) 14:59, 10 November 2006 Incir (Talk | contribs) (→External links) (cur) (last) 14:26, 10 November 2006 88.242.84.98 (Talk) (→See also) (cur) (last) 06:19, 10 November 2006 71.162.66.250 (Talk) (→An Overview in A Nutshell) (cur) (last) 05:59, 10 November 2006 71.162.66.250 (Talk) (→International relations)

RfA thanks

Hi Mustafa Akalp, I am very thankful to you for supporting and comments on my succesful RfA. Shyam 06:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Censorship on Atatürk article

WHO ARE YOU?

Nemo iudex in causa sua! I ask for a neutral arbitor! Since when can you exclude me from Misplaced Pages?

You are ignoring cited references! And facts! This is censorship!

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RfA thanks!

My RfA done I hope to wield my mop well (Her name is Vera) I appreciate The support you have shown me (I hope I don't suck) Anyway, I just wanted to drop you a line (damn, haikus are hard)

EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Template

OK. i corrected it, by placing Cyprus, with TRNC in parenthesis. since Turkish is de jure the official language of the whole island, and the official of the de facto independent northern half, i think this is the best way to place it. Regards Hectorian 17:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for the extra feathers on my wings! Thank you so much, Mustafa Akalp, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 21:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

172GAL

I blocked her because of this comment, where she said, "did your boyfriend Khoikhoi like being fingered last nite? Is it your turn today, Bertil?" Yes, he attacked me, but I was not involved in a dispute with her, Bertil was, so it is still in-line with WP:BLOCK. I know it's light, but if she makes further personal attacks at that level I will extend it to a week. Cheers, Khoikhoi 06:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure, we can give her one more chance, but I'll have another admin deal with it the next time. Thanks for the advice! Khoikhoi 06:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Blocking - Unblocking - And now?

First of all, thank you very much for unblocking me! But for what reason did you block me?

Is there no discussion about existing references? I doubt anyone had the time to check my given references as one day before Armanalp pretended they didn't even exist.

Strange! Strange!

How shall we proceed now?

What do YOU think? Why did you unblock me now out of a sudden without comment?

Acting without comments reminds me of IGNORING my references. (Well, it is better than annihilating or assimilating me). ]

Huh? Thanks

Well im glad that vandal was banned, BUT i didn't violate 3RR, and I dont remember saying any bad words, well unless you count when i said 'hell ya'. I'm very sorry, i misunderstood you (I was only able to hastely read you message as i was at school). I thought you were warning ME about 3RR and bad words, anyway I'd like to thank you for your efforts aswell. Armanalp 14:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

What about an excuse towards my address? Do you still aggressively pretend I am posting references that do not exist? What manners are these? Dogru konusani dokuz köyden kovarlar. (ya da öldürüler] estagfurullah, sözde öldürüler!

What games are being played here?

No, discussion of my references?

This means I am right and I will re-post the part you deleted in the Atatürk article.

Thanks, indeed!

16:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)]

We've been trying to reason with you, but you keep calling us dictators Armanalp 16:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Not looking up a reference in a book (there are libraries) but pretending the reference does not exist isn't reasoning!!!

Do you want me to photocopy and scan the material because it is a hotly contested issue?

Because proving that a reference given does exist is not standard procedure in Misplaced Pages. Footnotes about literature usually are good enough!

I mean: do you need this prove because it is unbelievable for you or is it just sth in your point of view (=probatio diabolica).

If so it is useless to show the prove. You will again and again ask for more proves. If not I can try to do so as it will cost me time to do so.

Can you follow me? ]

Happy now? because of anti-turkish people like you, there's a POV seciton stuck there on full-protect. Armanalp 18:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Shiny new buttons

Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use. ~ trialsanderrors 06:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

History of Turks

Oh, Mustafa sorry, I just wanted to invite you for the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Turkish History Brief and i used the message what Khosrow II wrote me but when i see preview i noticed that there is Khosrow's signature and i couldn't delete his signature and put mine. Zaparojdik (talk · contribs)0 21:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Don't call other people's POV edits "Vandalism", that's disruptive behavior. --Mardavich 13:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Learn how to use the templates, you don't call other people's POV edits "vandalism", take this as a warning. --Mardavich 13:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You have to use the 3RR template I think. Regardless, you're not suppose to revert other people using automated reverting (Java) which is for simple vandalism only. Please revert yourself, and take part in the discussions on the talk page before reverting again. --Mardavich 13:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Answers

1. It wasn't my decision to block you, and I honestly don't think you should've been (if you continued after the first warning, then it would be different).
2. Tajik contacted 6 editors about the TfD, while you contacted 32 editors about my RfA. Which one do you think was more disruptive and causes more damage?
3. Anyone is welcome to voice their opinion, but suppose someone nominates an Iran-related article for deletion, and then I contact all the Iranian users I know to vote "keep". Do you think we would have an unbiased result? Do you think it's really fair? As for your wife, I'm not sure if she already has an account here, but usually anons/unsigned votes are not counted (that's just what I've observed). I'm not sure where the policy is. Khoikhoi 03:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Turkey Infobox Province template

Mustafa merhaba! Why am I unable to insert the map by using the infobox template you created? There was a slight mistake at one point, that I corrected to solve another problem, but I am still unable to put the province location map into the infobox, for example, for Muğla Province. Could you please take a look.

Also, since you are interested in developing city/town/province templates, you may be interested in adding your name to the parallel (and basically identical -you will see that the two templates are linked-) project in the Turkish wikipedia . That will make the three of us with also User: Ugur Basak who want to renew the present-day very ugly template we are using there. Selam. Cretanforever 20:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The template

I didn't delete anyone's vote, I just unbolded Zkaradag's second vote. He had had voted twice, by mistake I think. You can not reorganize other people's votes or move them to diffrent sections, that's the job of the administrators, I am going to revert you, don't do it again please. --Mardavich 15:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

You can't organize the people's votes, that's the closing admins' job. Don't do it again. --Mardavich 15:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Remember Mustafa, TfD is not a "vote" per se, it's a discussion, the administrators don't literally count the votes, they look at the discussions to see who makes more sense. --Mardavich 15:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I actually agree with Mardavich here - although it was certainly a well-meaning idea to try and tidy up the page, it's not normally done that way. Better leave it to the admins who are going to close it. Leave the contributions in their temporal order as they came in, that's also part of the information after all. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

"Opinions on genocide"

Where exactly is their consensus regarding this section of the article? I see discussion regarding the section, but I don't see any place where people are actually talking about keeping or removing the section. I am not experienced in the whole subject, so I prefer not to take sides here. However, I will add the {{TotallyDisputed}} tag to the section. At the moment, that's the best I can do. Sorry. Nishkid64 17:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Voting on Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Thanks for informing me about the vote you proposed. I believe voting is not a good idea for the situation. I hope you can understand. Instead, I tried to explain my position in this dispute in an effort to reach a consensus. Saygılarımla, Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Turkish project template

Hi, Mustafa. Recently you have added quite a number of Turkish project templates to the talk pages of the articles. Some of these additions seems to be controversial. While it is OK to have two project templates on the same page having this template on a page not closely related to the project make people feel nervous. Say Russian control over "Constantinople" was an official goal of the Government in WWI, some writers seemed to be very attached to it. Suppose I will put a Russian (or Greek) project template on the talk page of the Istanbul, would not Turkish editors feel nervous? The similar way Indian editors feel about adding Turkey project template over Baburnama or Azeris and Iranians over Azerbaijani_language. We already have a number of edit wars in the article space, the last thing we need is template wars in the talk page. This templates are suppose to help people edit, not the other around. Do you think it is possible to put the template only on the article directly related to Ottoman Empire and modern Turkey and avoid putting them there they might initiate edit wars? Thank you for understanding. Alex Bakharev 14:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject

I see your doing some wikiproject tagging and I have a bot that could help if your intrested. Betacommand 16:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

All I need are a list of categories that need tagged and the template that you use Betacommand 16:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Re

• • Is it work also to insert cat to articles, If I supply list of articles?

yes It can do that

• • When I supply list of cats, and if some articles(which have this template already)under any cat, will there be double template?

no it will not double tag articles.

Betacommand 17:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

List of countries by Human Development Index

I have reverted your move of the above article. I have two main reasons for doing. The first is that it creates unneccesary disambiguation, because pages don't exist for the other years (i.e. they aren't archived), nor will they ever. Therefore, each year the list is updated, it would have to be moved again, which is absolutely ridiculous to suggest. But also, it contained incorrect punctuation (the ",2006" should be ", 2006"). Just thought I'd let you know. - _хот 20:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Ok, bu haftasonu epey mesgulim ama en kisa zamanda bakmaya calisacagim. Karcha'nin durumu icin bir post biraktim, o konuyla ilgili de en kisa zamanda ilgilenmeye calisacagim. Take care! Baristarim 12:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Kızılırmak

Ok, I think I figured out what you are trying to do...the page is now at Kızılırmak. Adam Bishop 15:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism...

Hi, thanks for reporting that vandalism. Another thing: What's this warning of yours on User talk:Arash the Bowman doing? ) First, I suppose you meant to say Kara Koyunlu, not Karakoyunlu (that's a different page, actually) - but remember: please don't use vandalism/test templates in content disputes. Those are really only for noobs who don't know what they are doing or for people who just damage things for fun. Arash supposedly knows what he's doing. Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:39, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

As for the attacker sock IP, I blocked them again - this guy should definitely be kept banned, I quite agree. As for your dispute with Arash and the other Iranians, I think the best thing is not to use template "warnings" at all - with established users like them, the templates just come across as condescending and inflammatory and hardly ever help. Best thing will be to try to invite them politely to a civilised and constructive discussion. I'd hate to see that page end up in all-out editwarring again. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Kızılırmak

I have moved the page back. We must remember that the average English speaker doesn't know Turkish, and most English sources call it the "Kızıl River". Please see the talk page. Khoikhoi 20:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, it's "typos", not "tipos". Khoikhoi 20:43, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes. "Tipos" is a typo. :-) NikoSilver 20:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Selam Mustafa, I have no problem with having {{WPTR}} at Talk:Thessaloniki. The city is very important to Turkish history, I agree. Ciao, Khoikhoi 21:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)