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	Hi as per your edit there, we don't do things like that, we usually go to the admins talkpage and request him to reconsider and if you dispute the closure and open a review of the closure. ] (]) 14:30, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

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	Here is the admin that you have reverted the closure of, imo you are completely wrong in your assessment of how AFD works and better is that you self revert - that AFD is clearly no consensus - seven days is a normal and that has expired, further discussion can continue on the article talkpage. ] (]) 14:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:Hello, you reverted my closure of ] - twice. This is the wrong way to contest the administrative closure of a deletion discussion. If you disagree with the closure for any reason, please use ] to contest the closure. In addition, reopening the discussion is unlikely to change the outcome. Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 14:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::I'm not sure who's user page to continue the discussion on, while you were posting here, I was posting on yours. -- ] (]) 14:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Hi Avanu, if you don't mind me suggesting, its just too soon with little change in circumstances to nominate the article again. I myself think it would be better redirected to the Assange blp with a paragraph there but there will be no consensus again, trust me on that, so its better to put the energy into keeping the content additions in the article as tight as possible, in a few weeks the appeal will be over and we can look at the situation again then. I you comment there that you withdraw the nomination I will close and tidy up for you, if you want to carry on for seven days that is up to you but I don't advise that. Regards. ] (]) 13:09, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

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	Ok, I am going to close this one, your understanding is appreciated, regards. ] (]) 13:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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	If you're really asking for a source for the source you need to re-read ]. Also I'm somehow stunned that you're questioning the source yet you don't mind the missing content. Can you explain this?] (]) 13:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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	I'm looking over the sources used, and the timeline one is rather sketchy. It simply asserts a lot of things as facts but cites few of its sources. This makes it more hearsay than a proper source. The article relies on that timeline for several items that could be considered problematic for BLP, and so I added the 'citation needed' tag to address that. The alternative would have been to simply remove it immediate as the BLP page suggests. -- ] (]) 14:11, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:You didn't address my points laid out above and further you first added the tag with the same reason to ''three'' parts of the article where ''two'' of them were already backed up by ''two different sources''. Throwing around a policy is not an answer.] (]) 14:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:Add: If you're challenging the RS(s) in whole or in part you need to have a very good reason like contradiction by another RS.] (]) 14:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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	hello Avanu, i'd just like to say (and this seems the appropriate section to do so) that out of all the regular editors on the ] article, you seem to be the one most aware of ], and props to you for it. i try and stay out of the ins and outs of editing and talk on the article as much as possible - i could without the wikistress - but i do observe with interest; your ability to remain aware of the bigger picture - that we're trying to make an encyclopaedia and a good article - is commendable and inspiring. if everyone else participating on the Assange article could keep as clear a head, it would be the best article on wiki. keep it up! ] (]) 05:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Thank you so much! That is really amazing! -- ] (]) 05:53, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:you deserve it :) there's no doubt that most editors over there are trying to make the article ''good'' - but avoiding POV on this one is really, really hard. but you manage to do so. ] (]) 05:56, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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	I am about to revert Andy's lazy reversion of my many edits. Will you please go through and manually change the bits that you disagree with, giving a justification for each as per Misplaced Pages policy? Simply reverting the whole lot including the copyediting is not acceptable as I have just explained on his talk page. ] (]) 08:51, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:By the way, the part about Assange denying the charge was already in the lead. I didn't add it; I just put it in chronological order. ] (]) 09:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:The part about him not being formally charged yet is a reliably sourced fact (so NPOV), and it was followed by the prosecutor's statement, so wouldn't this particular addition to the lead by biased ''against'' Assange, if anything? ] (]) 09:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:And no, there are other reasons Assange might wish to appeal even if he admitted guilt, for example, on the grounds the the crimes are not extradition crimes, that they are not crimes under English law or that he might be extradited to the U.S. by the Swedes to face unrelated charges. In any case, what is the harm in pointing out that he still denies the charges? ] (]) 09:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Knowing that your comment was made elsewhere and some time ago, I nevertheless felt compelled to drop you a line or two. I must confess I was so taken with your proposed rodent war to settle the matter of hyphens and dashes that I convulsed uncontrollably — almost to the point of leaking in a most undignified way.
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	Hello Avanu. I appreciate your good faith edit when you removed a great chunk from the intro of ]. I also agree with you that it had become needlessly POV with many editors pushing to present certain angles. I know that intros should generally be short and this one was extremely long and was enough to repel novice readers. I just wish for you to know that my recent restoration of part of that text is not an act of defiance, I just believe that the information I had previously added belongs on the article. Please note also that I am neither pro- nor anti-Gaddai or opposition and I have only aspired to paint the picture of the episode. My biggest concern involves ] who has twice now removed sourced information concerning rebel attacks on pro-Gaddafi civilians. Each time it has been conducted in a stealth manner but if I spot the source removed again, I shall discuss this with him. It had already been taken out by the time you blanked the section and now I have placed a small part of the removal into a new overview section before the timeline actually begins. I hope this is all right with you and I hope you appreciate I am neither pushing for rebels nor government. ] ('''Евлекис''') 08:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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	:Oh I saw your edit, and I thought it was quite nice. Keep up the good work and thanks for keeping an eye on it. :) -- ] (]) 08:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::And incidentally, I really hope that article can survive all the POV pushing going on. Parts of it really are jumping back and forth to things that I am simply surprised anyone could honestly see as anything belonging in Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 08:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::::I realise this. I would personally advise you with the best of intentions that blanking is generally looked upon as hostile and it is far better to add citation tags, reduce smaller lumps, amend "journal-style" usages ("tyrant" or "dictator" to become "leader" or "president", "regime" to be "government" or "administration") and go about other ways to draw attention to the section. To be fair to you, I see you are standing by for a consensus and so am I for that matter. But as this is a current event with news coming in thick and fast and edits following suit, it may be better to wait a while until the situation settles down and then everybody knows where everybody stands. I'm just pointing this out so that you avoid ugly issues with other good-faith editors. Thanks. ] ('''Евлекис''') 16:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Hiya, you seem like a helpful editor (Not sure from the Avanu sn if you're male or female, no offence), I don't suppose you'd want to make a nice little topic on the Talk page for 2011 LU so that SSP can put his reasons down for choosing Jamahiyra etc over the better known terms? I'd do it myself, but I'm getting sleep and must to go to the gym (girlfriend's orders) after I finish fixing the International Reactions Page and finish watching this cheap Sci-Fi flick. =p ] ] 02:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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	Wondering if you saw my write-up on the talk page. Wondering what your thoughts are. I'm thinking along the lines of -- can we substitute drawings for photos? Then the UCC police will be happy; and so will readers, right?--] (]) 02:19, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
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	::::I declared the photos public domain. But I'm wondering whether they can make my life miserable at other oppotrunities. My daughter goes to school there. I'm a good researcher. I may want to work over the UCC article with more references, and cut out a lot of the unsourced promo material, don't yo uthink? --] (]) 02:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Well, it seems like it would be silly of them to make such a fuss. Probably it would be best if the College public affairs staff was consulted about the picture taking, or perhaps even the college administrators, or even the local city government. Regardless, to me, it seems inappropriate for campus police to have a blanket policy that forbids innocent photography, and is probably illegal for them to pursue anything against you regarding that sort of activity. -- ] (]) 02:26, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
	::::::Well, in retrospect, I probably should have gotten permission first. But I dislike how I was treated. There are no signs up saying "No photos". And, police have the uniforms and the weapons and what am I going to do? My thinking is: if photos are disallowed, what's wrong with drawings? No problem there, right?-] (]) 02:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
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	I don't really get how this fellow is seemingly not understanding that he should not keep doing what he is doing when all the other editors are telling him not to, to the point of actual disruption. Any theories? My blunt statements didn't seem to work, nor did your friendly attempts to dissuade him. ] ] 03:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
	::I don't know... it's disappointing. I haven't seen any other editors with his viewpoint and it sounds like a good one to have in the article if he would just stop editing like he is. -- ] (]) 04:06, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::Well I put my thoughts on the talk page, I just happened to see that he was unbanned, but only for talk pages. Best choice imo, because now he is unable to edit in articles, and maybe, just maybe he can be persuaded to put his talents to good editor-friendly use. ] ] 06:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
	He is still at it! How?! O_O ] ] 06:35, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

	== Advice ==

	Avanu, I just noticed you posted two responses to the Evidence page of Noleander's arbitration. Just so you know you can only post to that page if you present your own evidence, and then you're restricted to post in your section only. In other words you can't post in anyone else's section. A clerk, or other person will revert your posts if you don't do it yourself. Cheers.] (]) 12:53, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
	:Hello? You should add your own evidence section if you wish to, but this is just a matter of procedure.] (]) 13:12, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
	::I removed 2 of the 3. The one with the editor accusing SilverSeren of claiming a "Jewish Conspiracy", I did not remove, because honestly the section is not 'evidence' at all, but merely a character attack and really should be removed from that page entirely. It was a settled matter in the Wikiquette forum, and dredging it into this other page as 'evidence' is incredibly misleading and inappropriate. Regardless of whether we ought not comment in sections, such a comment shouldn't stand apart and unchallenged. -- ] (]) 14:18, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
	::If it is 'evidence' of anything, it would be the nature of the rancor that is present in some of the comments aimed at Noleander. -- ] (]) 14:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::Well I have actually adressed that issue in my own evidence section and others have on the talk page. I'm afraid that you still can't post comments to someone else's section. You should remove that one as well. Create your own section to refute it if you want, or post to the talk page, but you just can't post in another's section. Sorry. Thanks.] (]) 14:32, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

	(ec) Hi Avanu. The instructions at the top of the evidence page are very clear: "Do not comments to other editors' sections." You have added comments to three different sections. Please remove them. You may place them as evidence in your own section if you require, but please note the requests from arbitrators on the talk pages of the evidence and workshop pages. I am sure this was an unwitting mistake. Thanks in advance, ] (]) 13:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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